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14:
Sithole is a South African Surname, You will never find a Sithole in Mozambique. I dont believe "Emmanuel Sithole" is his real name. Mozambicans tend to use SA names when they cross the border illegaly to SA. The same happened to Lucky Dube's killers, they had South African names, it was discovered later on that they were Mozambicans using fake SA names, they could not even understand english, a portuguese interpreter had to be brought in.

Yes and his whole family who recognized him also left that information out.

What tribe is the last name Sithole?

Centrifude:
I don't know why people are complaining that we are no finally enforcing our Immigration Laws.
Remember when the SABC Crew was robbed on Live TV?
The Robbers turned out to be Foreign Nationals.
So when you don't enforce Immigration Laws the bad apples sneak in and do horrible things because they are not citizens and have nothing to lose, its very rare to hear about South Africans committing Crimes in other African Countries.

Because all your criminals don't know where to get passport or sneak into and so they commit crimes within location.


Duh!

sostoz:
jeah op is correct there is mixed feelings about em my mother sits and watch afrika magic after her house choes nigerian music is now played on our Metro fm ( biggest commercial radio show) .
i do not understand y u think the worst of us infact i think the problem is complex but only poor sa who are insecure.
if u chase DSTV and mtn we might never hear znd watch ur movies and music.
U have already recalled ur diplomats, Goodluck was unfair coz there is no nigerian citizen who Died during those unfortunate attacks.
It hurts when i c woman and children from foregn countries crying and explaining y they in SA.
nigerians are educated and skilled enough to possitively influence progressive and constructive change instead of negatively criticising SA blacks who in majourity are not xenophobic.
i blame my Prezident Zuma for being a bad leader and promoting tribalism in SA. Zuma is zulu he used his majourity tribe ( zulu) for presidency now we have this bad name on written on our forehead XENOPHOBIC.
in honest truth, im convinced as a Xhosa man that our leadership style is far good than the current one.
all im trying to say is that Xenophobia is product of Zulus. they proving to the world they powerfull but stupid and illitate tribalist.
I am against xenophobia!

I agree 100%

14:
Where they attacked?

DO you ZUlu's know the difference btw a Tanzanian and Zambian.

If you can attack someone with a last name as SITHOLE! then you don't know the difference.

14:
During apartheid, South Africans never left in droves running away from apart, our parents stayed in and fought the regime till the bitter end.

How could you leave when you were living in Townships and could not even get to the Airport or even get Visa. Where you even considered South African before 1986 or did you carry around Dumb passes from Bopthuswana and co.

14:
We were never refugees in any country in African. The only people who ran away, were ANC and PAC leaders, Zambia, Botswana and Tanzania gave those people shelters.

Yes and the rest of the African countries did not what so ever?

14:
Country like botswana was bomb quiet a number of time by the apartheid regime, accused of hiding ANC leaders. Thats why today, the relationship between botswana and SA is unbreakable. Batswanas dont need VISA to come to SA, they go in and out as many times as they like. Namibia, Swaziland and Lesotho also dont need VISA to go to south africa. So to say South Africa is hostile to Africans, is totally incorrect.

Infantile answers. DO member states of COMESA need visas in East Africa. Does ECOWAS need VISA to travel across borders.

PS Swaziland, and Lesotho and pretty much Bantustans that stayed as such and emancipated themselves outside of the Apathed regime. Is technically still South Africa, dullard.


Please travel out of your Cages and go see that South Africa is the beginning and end of Africa.

14:
We are not USA, we have different laws, so dont compare us with America. illegal immigrants pose threat to the state, since they are not known and cannot be traced.

Are you even able to trace your own people for that matter?

Miaraka:
Talking about the USA, please don't lie. The USA actually has a special organ which hunts down illegal immigrants. If you don't know, visit google or watch Africa magic. You'll see films which show how the USA pursues and deports illegal immigrants. You can even find out from Latin Americans, especially the Mexicans. They'll tell you how badly they are treated by the USA.

Bros don't come here and lie o!

They do not hunt down illegal immigrants. In fact you cannot stop someone and ask for their immigration status. Some States tried to enact that law but were shut down by Federal Constitutional courts. If you are illegal you cannot get a drivers license in most States bar California

A police officer can ask for your identification but if you don't have one, he can only cite you and cannot arrest you.

If you commit a crime or you are arrested and are taken to Jail then at that point you will be asked about your "citizenship status", if you are deemed to be illegal. You are held and the appropriate immigration agency is contacted to come pick you up. If the agents do not show up by the time you are bailed out. Tough luck for I.C.E

If you said the UK then I would have said YES but US nope!

Please no lies!

kgr28:
Did we attack Them

Your Xenophobes can't tell a Tanzanian from a Zambian

kgr28:
Who hate us? please share. Are we hated as compared Nigeria

All SADC countries especially Mozambic.


Plesae get a passport and leave your country and see the world, It will broaden your perspective.

14:
In SA its done more often, "stop and search" "Road block", they dont only target foreigners alone, they search everyone, if they found you to be foreigner, they woukd ask you for your papers.

The United states has over 15 million undocumented immigrants and they don't go around stop and searching people for papers.


Welcome back Apatheid.

Did anyone say "Dumb pass"?

kgr28:
Nigeria was never a front-line state...
Yes they were toyi-toying, the reason we got freedom, not nigeria.
NIGERIA is not in SA history books. FACT.
Remember you got snubed at Madiba's funeral and memorial service, and you cried like a baby, the person you claim you helped get out of jail. Tanzania and Zambia were front line states.

The reason you got freedom was because other countries allowed training grown for your ANC exiles to acquire weapons, mobilize and form a resistance you dullard. How was your toi toing going to give you freedom with no weapons. Where were you going to ship the weapons to fight from?

We do not want to be in your history books. All we want is the 64 million dollars back from your Xenophobes

PS If Zambia and Tanzania were frontline states why are your mad ZULU's attacking them?


Shame on you!

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kgr28:
Did you spent that money on who 10 people in Exile, while thounds were been killed in SA. Knowing you have history of embezzelment and corruption, that money never got to its intended use. Nigeria is not even in the SA history books. You got lied to by your government, 64 mill ma azz.

How will you know the money they spent or countries considered as "FRONT LINE" states when your parents were too busy toi toing on the road they forgot to send you to school.

kgr28:
This Minister of Foreign Affairs should just bend over his azz facing the mirror, thats where he'll get money...
Nigerians are pussiees!! I didnt know ya'll that cheap....

Give us back 64million dollars we spent on Apathed. We can se the money to help repatriate and find jobs for some of our citizens here in Nigeria.

kgr28:
NO, they knew they did shyt!!
Why are you getting emotional with that church 'accident/murder'
every country in the world should cut relations with nigeria for the shyt your people do in their countries.. would you be happy??
The question is why every African wants to be in SA ?? because their governments are fvcked up and live in horrible conditions...Africans who tallk a lot about humanity and better treatment but cant practice and get it in their countries. All they know is run to SA, Bunch of cowards who cant stand for their rights, but want to be treated like mini gods in SA. Must SA accommodate everyone and share the tittle we have them? BULLSHYT.

See your xenophobia coming across.

Did they tell you it is only in South Africa that they have refugee and migrants. Excuses galor.

In Kenya they have Somali migrants

In Nigeria they have Niger republic, Chad and Cameroonian Migrants

IN Ghana they have Sierra leonian migrants

Should I continue....

It is only in South Africa where they have locked you guys up for centuries you believe you are doing something new. When will you wake up and understand and accept that migration is a human phenomena that exists and will never ever ever ever ever end!

Did some of your people not migrate from the North.

Are the Ndebele ZImbabweans not Kin to the Zulu people?

So don't you not have Shangaans who are South Africans by virture of border lines mapped by colonialist.

Excuses... Excuses.. Excuses.

Welcome to the 21st Century.... Apatheid was truly a horrible mind game.

***SHAME**** in South African accent

LeSudAfricaine:
That's just the thing, I don't need you to teach me about my own history

but you do need me to "remind" you of them.

LeSudAfricaine:
and your point being?

Points simply fly over your head so why waste my time explaining. Go back to PR-1986 South African history. Your answer lies right there.

kgr28:
Did you read that your government also denied recalling the nigerian envoy. They know they did Shyt.

They denied it because the Mumu who responded to the news did not verify the information before blabbing his mouth because he was too emotional.

Again bringing up the accidental deaths of 84 Saffers and Boko Haram in comparison was as dumb a statement as you can get for a diplomatic spokes person. Your government hires a lot of illiterates into government and this shows in many a statements they make. aka DR beetroot!

All the Nigerian government did was to clarify the reason it recalled its diplomats.

ThisMeansWAR:
hehehehehe mumu expects a strong defence for that ediotic post

She should read this

Pretoria - Government on Tuesday distanced itself from a scathing statement issued by international relations spokesman Clayton Monyela following the recall of Nigerian diplomats from Pretoria.

At a media briefing in Pretoria, Minister in the Presidency Jeff Radebe was asked to explain whether the strongly-worded statement issued by the department had assisted in mending bilateral relations with Abuja.

Radebe responded: “The interview yesterday is not an official position of the South African government.”

“Our relations with the Federal Republic of Nigeria are very cordial.”

Radebe was leading six government ministers addressing reporters on government’s response to attacks on foreign nationals.

Monyela on Sunday termed the decision to recall Nigeria’s acting high commissioner to Pretoria “unfortunate” and “regrettable”. His statement suggested that Nigeria’s decision was exploiting the xenophobic attacks in South Africa for an ulterior motive.

“If this action is based on the incidents of attacks on foreign nationals in some parts of our country, it would be curious for a sisterly country to want to exploit such a painful episode for whatever agenda,” it read.

Monyela added that South Africa wished to retain good relations with Nigeria, and that[b] it did not blame the Abuja government for the death of scores of South Africans in the collapse of an evangelical church in Lagos in September or the lengthy delays in the repatriation of the victims’ bodies.[/b]

He said Pretoria would not blame Abuja for the ravages of Boko Haram’s insurgency in northeast Nigeria.

“We shall continue to support and not blame the Nigerian government as it battles to deal with Boko Haram that continues to kill many innocent civilians. We hope that the more than 200 girls kidnapped by Boko Haram will someday be reunited with their families,” said the Dirco statement.

On Tuesday, Radebe insisted relations between South Africa and Nigeria were “very cordial” because President Jacob Zuma has an invitation to attend the swearing-in of president-elect Muhammadu Buhari.

“If you had a negative sentiment out of the statement that is not reflective of government’s position. We continue to have very good relations as I have indicated,” said Radebe.

“Our president has been invited to the inauguration of the incoming president. Diplomatic relations between the two countries exist and continue. We believe we will be moving from strength to strength.”

Nigeria’s acting high commissioner to South Africa Martin Cobham and the deputy high commissioner Uche Ajulu-Okeke were recalled on Saturday. They are expected to brief their Parliament on the xenophobic violence which has left at least seven people dead in South Africa



http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/sa-tones-down-response-to-nigeria-1.1851297#.VT-YGsUo7cs

kgr28:
What is Nigeria that wants to act all holy-holy.. the very shyt country with BH killing its people daily, the very same country that its people are hanged and imprisond the world over for shady businesses, that Nigeria wants to act moral for SA?? how many SAcns are imprisoned in Nigeria compared to your flat heads in SA.
That Jonathan dumb President blunderd with that decision just to fvck up the relations with SA and for the new Nigerian Administration.

My dear its your spokesperson that is a slowpoke. Quick to compare the accidental death and terrorist attacks with Xenophobic violence in South Africa.

Where do you guys get this illiterates from that are allowed to make such statements. ANC I hail you!

LeSudAfricaine:
smh.....iddiot

Hmmm. Memories of Apatheid revisited.

Somebody say "Dumb Pass"


In South Africa, Pass laws were a form of internal passport system designed to segregate the population, severely limit the movements of the black African populace, manage urbanisation, and allocate migrant labour. Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. Educated Africans could, in some circumstances, apply for exemptions, but since exemption documents themselves had to be produced on demand, the effect was similar. Pass laws would be one of the dominant features of the country's apartheid system, until effectively ended in 1986. The black population was required to carry these pass books with them when outside their homelands or designated areas. Failure to produce a pass often resulted in the person being arrested. Any white person could ask a black to produce his (or her) pass. Passes were opposed by groups like the revolutionary syndicalists and the black nationalists.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws

LeSudAfricaine:
Well As a matter of fact, Americans are not known to be the biggest of travelers, that's a lie from you my friend, Americans are usually critisized for not knowing much about the world due to the fact that they don't travel much New Yorkers specifically barely travel to other states., People who still carry the stereotype that Africa is a jungle are usually Americans. Dude you can dispute the facts as you like. Because you want to hear want you want hear but the fact is I live in South Africa i know better about my country than you ever will sitting in front of the PC in some internet cafe in some slum.

And this response has loads of facts written all over it.

Right right!

14:
Had they notified SA government, it would have been much better, but it seems there was no communication between the 2 countries, hence SA was left asking themselves so many questions. It only hit home, when Nigeria realised the quencequencies of its actions, then they had to do damage control. So much at stake here.

YOur BEE spokesperson is the culprit here. Because of his illiteracy in diplomatic tactics, Xenophobic tendencies and outright despise of Foreign nationals including Nigeria, his statement reflects his attitude.

How do you compare a building collapses or terrorist attacks to deliberate Xenophobic acts on Foreign nationals. Where does the ANC get this people from?




Pretoria - Government on Tuesday distanced itself from a scathing statement issued by international relations spokesman Clayton Monyela following the recall of Nigerian diplomats from Pretoria.

At a media briefing in Pretoria, Minister in the Presidency Jeff Radebe was asked to explain whether the strongly-worded statement issued by the department had assisted in mending bilateral relations with Abuja.

Radebe responded: “The interview yesterday is not an official position of the South African government.”

“Our relations with the Federal Republic of Nigeria are very cordial.”

Radebe was leading six government ministers addressing reporters on government’s response to attacks on foreign nationals.

Monyela on Sunday termed the decision to recall Nigeria’s acting high commissioner to Pretoria “unfortunate” and “regrettable”. His statement suggested that Nigeria’s decision was exploiting the xenophobic attacks in South Africa for an ulterior motive.

“If this action is based on the incidents of attacks on foreign nationals in some parts of our country, it would be curious for a sisterly country to want to exploit such a painful episode for whatever agenda,” it read.

Monyela added that South Africa wished to retain good relations with Nigeria, and that[b] it did not blame the Abuja government for the death of scores of South Africans in the collapse of an evangelical church in Lagos in September or the lengthy delays in the repatriation of the victims’ bodies.[/b]

He said Pretoria would not blame Abuja for the ravages of Boko Haram’s insurgency in northeast Nigeria.

“We shall continue to support and not blame the Nigerian government as it battles to deal with Boko Haram that continues to kill many innocent civilians. We hope that the more than 200 girls kidnapped by Boko Haram will someday be reunited with their families,” said the Dirco statement.

On Tuesday, Radebe insisted relations between South Africa and Nigeria were “very cordial” because President Jacob Zuma has an invitation to attend the swearing-in of president-elect Muhammadu Buhari.

“If you had a negative sentiment out of the statement that is not reflective of government’s position. We continue to have very good relations as I have indicated,” said Radebe.

“Our president has been invited to the inauguration of the incoming president. Diplomatic relations between the two countries exist and continue. We believe we will be moving from strength to strength.”

Nigeria’s acting high commissioner to South Africa Martin Cobham and the deputy high commissioner Uche Ajulu-Okeke were recalled on Saturday. They are expected to brief their Parliament on the xenophobic violence which has left at least seven people dead in South Africa



http://www.iol.co.za/news/africa/sa-tones-down-response-to-nigeria-1.1851297#.VT-YGsUo7cs

14:
I did not want to lecture you on SA tax system, after reading, i realised you were clueless about it, but i understood since you are not a local, you cannot know everything about other country, hence i did not focus on it.

Hogwash!

14:
I never disagreed with you, it depends on the contribution business in Nigeria make. If for example MTN Nigeria make up 20% of MTN, for sure MTN market value will drop by 20%, that does not neccesarily mean they wont make money, the profit margins will drop of course. But will thst force MTN close shops? No.
It seems many here on Nairaland dont understand or have misconception about SA companies. The general feeling it seems, is SA Companies make their 80% profit in Nigeria. "if we nationalise them, they will close shops" its far from reality.

You are confused. No one said if you close MTN in Nigeria, MTN worldwide will stop running.

IF Nigeria makes up 20% of MTN's worldwide profits, that is a significant blow regardless. That's the power of numbers.


If Nigeria Nationalizes the company, bye bye to MTN majority control over the company which means the company is virtually a Nigerian owned company.


Where is the misconception here?

MzansiBeat:
LOOK AT THEM SELF RIGHTEOUS CHEST BEATERS; BOKO HARAM HAVE JUST KILLED 21 OF YOUR PEOPLE WHILST THE FULANI'S HAVE MASSACRED 40 VILLAGERS, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO VOMIT HATRED AGAINST SA.

We denounce all terrorists and violators of Human rights. This includes BOko HARAM, FULANI TERRORISTS AND SOUTH AFRICAN XENOPHOBES!

MustyDanYaro:
Clayson Monyela the South African dude who wrote this thrash on behalf of South Africa probably missed the diplomacy class where the difference between being 'summoned for consultations' and 'recall of envoy' was discussed.
Referring to the Chibok girls and boko haram is illogical in this context. This makes his response childish, and not what you will expect from a representative of a foreign government.
He also lied that it took 9 months to repatriate the bodies from Lagos! The collapse of the synagogue guesthouse was in September 2014, bodies were repatriated in December 2014 (about 9 weeks).
That dude needs lessons in diplomacy and arithmetics.

Guy just the boys body language shows XENOPHOBIA written all over it. I am wondering who gave him that position he is holding.

LeSudAfricaine:
Lol, whites leaving South África is not a new phenomenon, they have been leaving since the advent of the new South África, many of these whites you worship so much, go to these countries like Australia, New zealand etc and find out that they do not easily assimilate with these newly adopted countries and realise that life was actually better in SA, subsequently come back in droves! And that's a fact! South Africans in general don't move into many countries that much as the life you can experience in more developed countries you can experience in SA, we literaly have the world on our doorstep,Gooing to far flung Uzbekistan or Mongolia to sell chocolates on the pavement is not really appealing to an average South African

Again stop deceiving people here. The reason black South Africans do not travel outside their shores is because most of them have not left their provinces and like newly released captives are much frightened of the world outside of them so they cling to what is familiar. The majority cannot save up enough money or bravery to venture outside their shores.


White South Africans are economic migrants as well and only repatriate when they have made substantial foreign exchange to come back and live as they did during Apatheid knowing fully well the marginalization they experience within the Country.

Save that nonsense about having everything at your door step for ignorant people. The US is the one of the largest and most developed nations in the world. A country with three time zones and pretty much all the scenery one can imagine, yet its citizens are one the top travelers and expats around the world. Don't they too have everything at their doorstop.

samtol4:
don't mind him...It is only in South Africa a man accuses a foreigner for his poor sexual performance .

Please see the below video and see what this kind of attacks are creating in the new generation. (start from 3:18 to 4:55)


Look at the small girl who's mother happens to be a South Africa and father from the DRC saying she wants to go home.

SAD!

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LeSudAfricaine:
Before and post Xenophobic attacks they always had a negaitivity towards South África and of South Africans, that's why I laugh when I hear Nigerians acting as if Xenophobia is the main reason they hate us

The only reason We have a negative attitude towards you is because of your Xenophobic behavior. Anything outside of that is propaganda!

Stop flattering yourselfs

LeSudAfricaine:
So spot on!

He is not spot on, a large amount of your Whites are moving out of the country to the most popular English speaking destinations including the USA.

You just got your country back barely 20 years ago and pretty much are frightened of the unknown. Many of you haven't even left your provinces talk less of outside SA.

Please stop deceiving people here?

MduZA:
especially when they hear that the chiboko girls are still missing...

Look at the buffoon. Always suspicious of everything. First they say we shout too much and will not do anything now we have recalled Ambassador it is now suspicion with hidden agenda

You people should take your diplomatic action. We have taken ours

Make your move!

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