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klinro:
where you expecting him to be an alien??

He is Superman as far as we webmasters are concerned.

He looks like an ordinary human being, which shows that looks can be deceptive.

It's entirely my fault. More hands would have made the solution easier though.

TheSixthSense:
Who/what determines what is good, the society?

The society, yes.

even so where did society get their moral code from?

Empathy. Reason. The desire for a more pleasant, less painful existence for the majority of humanity.

There is no law against telling lies or cheating in relationships or fornicating but would you say a liar and a cheat is good? Where someone's freedom ends is where another's starts, you may not be a liar or a cheat and would consider these as wrong and immoral but what stops me from embracing those especially when there are no laws against it?

As an atheist, why should you not be dishonest even when the law allows it? Because you want to be known as a honest and trustworthy person. When you say anything, you want people to believe you're telling the truth, due to your track record of always doing so. If people know you as a liar and a cheat, they'll be wary of doing business with you, dating you, marrying you, employing you, accepting you as a tenant, lending you money, etc. Society has many ways of punishing dishonest people. Religion is far from being the primary reason to be honest.

Our conscience is what makes us different from animals and logic cannot explain away that.

That may not be true. I think Elephants may have a sense of right and wrong too, whereas some human beings - psychopaths - don't have it.

That is what God restores at salvation, your knowledge of good and evil will be restored. And if you look at the law of God, you would see that it is good.

This doesn't explain why many atheists who are very moral, look at the bible and think it is immoral e.g. for stoning sabbath breakers.

Yes, you had more thorough christian background but I would say you really never believed

Don't you think this is an incredibly arrogant thing to say? He accepts your claim of belief in God, yet you reject his claim to have believed?

Progressive01:
Perhaps your servers are becoming overwhelmed by the sheer traffic on the forum. Perhaps you need an upgrade.

We've known this for a while and we are working on it. Apologies for the delay.

What do you see as my reason for not hiring more hands?
I see that you attributed it to "stubbornness" but that's not really informative.
Can you be more specific? What do I "stubbornly" wish to gain by not hiring more hands?

Many people in the present world have done just that. See these guys who say they are Jesus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML2Oa4Oigvo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cv5hZfOmk

chumz11:
Teachers in the house how can one be delivered of eating in the dream.i ate in the dream last night and been purging all through today.i want this nonsense to stop in my life

Eating in your dream is not a problem. We do all sorts of things in our dreams, including eating. If you are vommitting, you need to see a doctor because you may have malaria or something else. Only religion can make people feel afraid of something perfectly normal.

Thanks!

sino:
First I must state that my being Muslim is as a result of Allah’s Mercies. As a Muslim, I must first acknowledge this profound blessing on me, for if Allah (SWT) had willed differently, I could have been anything except being a Muslim.

Be that as it may, I do have personal reasons for sticking with Islam. I haven’t studied all other religions in the world, but studying the Qur’an has helped me to understand what I need do to attain salvation.

Thanks for your response. Most of us came into religion that same way. How are you sure that the Quran is truly the word of God, though?

Not only that, if we look at the Abrahamic faith, Judaism and Christianity to be precise, they claim to be followers of Moses and Jesus respectively, fortunately, Islam talks about these religions, as well as the personalities they revere, this alone helps me understand that indeed, the religious personalities of these aforementioned religions were from the one true God who had also sent the last messenger to guide mankind to attain proper relationship with Him through the Qur’an and his teachings of the Qur’an.

How would you disprove the idea that the Prophet simply took the stories of those prophets from the bible and modified them for the Qur'an?

Other forms of religion that I had come across, especially traditionally, acknowledges the existence of GOD, but they have constituted partnership with this one true God, this is counterintuitive, for even in our worldly dispositions, we detest sharing authority, so how can associating partnership with the Creator be what the Creator intends especially in terms of worship?!

Not only that, these other religions happen to be as a result of a man, and therefore such religions are usually named after such men and in most cases such men are worshiped, instead of the Creator. Islam is distinct, and it is all encompassing. It deals with both worldly and spiritual affairs of man, Islam teaches how to recognize God as the one true God with no partners, He is self-sufficient, He begets not nor was He begotten, and there is none like unto Him (Q114:1-4).

Could your distaste for the Christian trinity doctrine be due to its condemnation by the religion you were brought up in, and nothing more?

If you like it, marry someone who likes it. If you're already married to that someone who doesn't like it, find a different way to be playful. ^TM

Thread locked because you didn't provide the videos you promised. You're using Nairaland to grow your whatsapp group instead. Apparently...

limsycutey:
Praise the Lord with me mamas!!! Had my prince today at 8.05am via VD, weighing 3.6kg with a little tear. God made it easier than my first . BS coming later.

Safe delivery to other August mamas yet to offload, our God is on the throne!!!

Congrats!

KingEbukasBlog:
well she is not the person reviving herself how then did she realise that she was been revived in the first place.

The people trying to revive her would have been making a lot of noise. "She fainted!" "Pour water!" "Abrada cambra shokolo grin goree!' The human mind is not yet very well understood; we are capable of having all sorts of fascinating experiences that exist only in our minds.

Pidggin:
If that's the whole point of life what of those who can't enjoy it due to the circumstances or conditions that they find themselves in, what of the sick suffering from incurable illnesses, the mentally retarded, the clinically depressed, severely handicapped, prisoners in for life, etc? If this is where it all ends then this people might as well end it all themselves instead of living in misery with no hope for a better after-life or what do we tell such people, what will be the justification in giving such a person hope if it ends here?

I think you are underestimating the ability of human beings to cope with reality. People can find things to enjoy even in the worst situations. Instead of giving people false hopes, let's give them real help. Let's put more efforts into preventing, managing and eventually, finding the cure to incurable diseases. Let's encourage clinically depressed people to seek psychiatric help and remind them to take their meds when they forget, which they often do. Let's be kind and helpful to those who are physically and mentally handicapped. We need not resort to false hopes.

Even those who have the privilege of living well and giving to humanity still cannot predict how long this privilege will last. A man is rich today and poor tomorrow, he is well today but may have stroke tomorrow, he may have a wife and kids today but loose them to an unfortunate incident tomorrow so where is the comfort and assurance that all will remain as it is in this uncertain world?

When you identify the risks that you face, you can take steps to minimize the chances of them happening. If a rich man lives below his means and invests rationally, the risk of being poor tomorrow is greatly reduced. The risk of losing your wife and kids is greatly reduced by taking strict precautions to ensure their safety. The comfort and assurance comes from knowing that you have taken steps to minimize the likely risks.

Dream? I don't remember mentioning dream in my previous post. I said it was a real experience which happened. I have experienced even more than this.

What makes you feel it was real? Since you merely fainted and didn't die, why would your 'soul' have left your body?

idris4r83:
little knowledge of science makes man an atheist but in depth study of science makes him a believer of God. If earth is all we've got then theres no point living.

If this is true, we would expect most of the top scientists in the world to be believers. I don't think this is the case, but I haven't checked.

Pidggin:
Thanks for your response. If this is where it all ends then don't you think there is no point in living? Even the richest man in the world still has multiple problems so what's the point? If one is lucky to live beyond 40, your misery intensifies because younger people will think you are old lol

The point is in enjoying the good things that life has to offer and helping others to do the same. And in contributing some things to the world that will continue to help others to enjoy the pleasures of life even after we are long dead. When we talk about pleasures, religious people think we are talking about food and sex, but that's far from it. We are highly intelligent apes and our greatest pleasures are intellectual.

I had an experience years back when I fainted, I found myself watching people trying to revive me until I left and found myself somewhere else. A bright place and in me I felt at peace. I have had other experiences that makes me 100% sure that this place can never be all we've got.

It's not unusual to have a dream that's related to what's happening in reality. When I was younger, if I had a dream about urinating, my bed would be wet when I woke up. Sometimes what people are saying around you gets incorporated into your dream. These things happen. Here's how to know that your dream was not real. Your dream of ppl trying to revive you will not exactly match what actually happened. Also, the white place you found doesn't represent anything written in the bible about the afterlife. We dream about all sorts of nonsense.

winner01:
What are these lies?

That their God of war (YHWH, the hebrew version of Ogun) exists and he is the only true God and creator of all things.

Pidggin:
I hope you will believe soon. The pleasures of this world doesn't last

It's all we've got, so we should make the most of it.

Yea, life as an atheist is very peaceful. You don't have to waste any time feeling guilty about things that are 100% natural and harmless. Religion makes people feel bad about those things in order to create a need for the "salvation" that religion offers. It's a scam, folks!

Why Seun alone?

Seen.

naijadeyhia:
Seun, every time the issue of evolution comes up your only defense and explanation of it has been these your dogs. Now that you can see that the change wasn't a natural occurrence can you now put this evolution talk to rest?

I don't want to derail this thread further but let the record show that you didn't answer my question. What you posted is an account of the original development of the bull terrier and not about how, after the bull terrier was developed, it's face was changed to what it is today. Also, you were lying for Jesus when you claimed that the evolution of dog breeds is my only defence for evolution. Jesus wouldn't appreciate that.

Efewestern:
Did a research on that and later found out that the Appearance of the dog later stage was as a result of Cross breeding and not one Evolution crap as portrayed by Seun.

Really?

Ok, answer this:
1. What was the modern German Shepherd cross-bred with to generate it's severely slanted back and legs? A frog?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964448_1904sgraribertvongrafrathschh3_jpeg11a844c09a5404549815f5af9a1d461c www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964449_va1ballackvonderbruckneralleeipo3_jpeg7a3bb5b5ab8cbede17050c3a79d1aec9

2. What kind of alien monster was the bull terrier crossed with to generate it's egg-shaped face?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/3964440_pitbullterrier_jpeg68313798e51872e2d695470016e76e0a

balash:
Yes, the Prophet was a Man,
Yes, all men make mistakes and he made human mistakes too BUT these mistakes are just his day to day human mistakes and have nothing to do with what's divinely revealed.

I think I understand. You mean he didn't make mistakes with the Qu'ran, but some of his actions which Allah did not command him to do could have been wrong. Not intentionally, but by mistake. I'd really like to know which 3 actions you would pick as the Prophet's top 3 mistakes.

gensteejay:
I liked the author's approach in his book. I have no concerns, none whatsoever. Islamic teachings are always practical, commonsensical.

Would you trust a book comparing Islam and Christianity that was written by Pastor Adeboye, whose teachings are also practical and clear?

About the so-called contradictions and errors in the Qur'an, I know a number of those websites mainly sponsored by Jews. Their claims are entirely bogus; they interpreted some verses out of context and the ones they claim are contradictory merely abrogate each other. This is a normal practice in Islam. Certain Hadiths of the prophet would reveal their lack of understanding in interpreting Qur'anic verses. They are only spreading lies and fallacies.

How would you convince a skeptic, who sees abrogation as simply a system for managing the contradictions in the Qur'an, that it's not so?

when a Christian says demons bow to the power of Jesus, they are not really doing that. Rather they are fearful of Jesus because he was a great prophet of God. .

Interesting!

The aforementioned Mr. Adegunwa's book presents a good treatise on this issue. He stated several verses in the Bible that clearly talks about the five pillars of Islam, namely belief in oneness of Allah and in the prophetood of Muhammad (peace be on him); sallah; zakat; etc.

Can you share the bible verses that talk about the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad, and Hajj? I'm extremely interested because it's news to me!

greetings:
Errr! Truthfully, It was on a second thought that I decided to drop a comment on this thread.... you asked me to share my personal reasons and I have.

I honestly don't want to dwell into comparisms and the likes.....

Apologies for not asking the right question. What I'm trying to find out is whether you'd agree with the proposition that it's possible for the holy books of religions that are not from Allah, such as the Christian bible, to vibrate through the readers' marrow the way the Qur'an vibrates through your marrow. And whether you'd agree with the proposition that religions that are not from Allah, such as Christianity, Buddhism, and Mormonism, can gladden the heart of their followers and give them strength in difficult situations in the same way that Islam does for you.

If your answer is yes, I'd like to know what this means for your faith. If the experiences that make you believe Islam is true can be found outside Islam, how can you be sure that Islam is true? If your answer is no, I'd like to know what assures you that your experience is unique.

balash:
The deal about my personal reason is simple, I only need to read about the entire ways of life and the day to day activities of the Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) , A Man who seem to always have the best of decision in every situation in life.

Your stories about how Prophet Muhammed reacted to the death of his children, and how he was nice to the guy who threw broken bottles unto his road, are inspiring. I can see how one would want to follow the religion of a man with such strength and maturity. One thing I've noticed about the muslim view of the Prophet Muhammed is that, while you respect him as the last Prophet, you recognize that he is a man, just like Jesus. Being a man, I'm thinking that he could not have been completely perfect. He must have made some mistakes, though not many.

As someone who has studied the life and character of Prophet Muhammed, and whose belief in Islam rests on this, you must have come across not only his great deeds but also his mistakes. Some things which he did that he should not have done, and which you would not emulate if you found yourself in the same situation. Can you describe 3 of them to us and tell us how it affected your faith when you came across them?

gensteejay:
I am a practising Muslim from a Muslim home; but that didn't deter me from studying other religions to see the things they have in common with and how they differ from Islam. During these comparative studies, which I did many years ago before my university days, I had to focus on a few criteria which I believe form the bedrock of these religions. Some of the criteria are their doctrines, holy books, methods of worship. Specifically, my targeted religions were Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddhism.

My overarching aim for comparing the religions with Islam was to be sure I was on the right path. For the task, I found a book written by a Muslim cleric(who knows the Bible so well that I thought he was a Christian) very useful. I can't remember the name of the book now, but the author is Mr. Jamiu Adegunwa. I found his exposition on the three Abrahamic religions -- Christianity, Judaism and Islam -- very concise, seminal.

I would try and find the book. Then I will summarize its teachings and discuss some other ideas in a new thread which I will create on this forum.

I admire your commitment to finding out the truth. Most people have never studied any religion apart from the one they grew up with. Did you have any concerns about the objectivity of Mr. Jamiu Adegunwa, though, since he was a muslim cleric? Do you have any concerns now?

To respond to the question at hand; I am a Muslim because
1. The holy Qur'an is absolutely devoid of contradictions, errors and mistakes which are replete in the holy books of some other world religions. What's more? That the Qur'an can stay free of revisions by humans after several hundreds of years of revelation from God, is a big deal to me. It is open knowledge that the same thing cannot be said about some other holy books.

If you stumbled upon a website with a list of verifiable contradictions and errors in the Holy Qur'an, would that shake your faith a little or a lot?

4. From my personal experience with the supernatural, specifically jinns (demons), it is clear without doubt that God exists and he is One. These creatures, demons, know this fact and are very much aware of man's vulnerability to the evils lurking within the spiritual realm. For this world is full of evils and man's dark acts of sorcery; but God is ever present to protect any man who seeks his help from worldly afflictions.

While in the University, I was opportune to witness a few sessions of exorcism which were carried out by some MSSN members of the UI Central Mosque. The happenings made me realise the power of the Qur'an. I don't want shed more light on this here.

Can anyone deny the existence of black magic, of sorcery, of demons, of witchcraft? Any individual who disbelieves these is treading a perilous path and I hope experience will not teach such person a bitter lesson. These aforementioned things are always present in our surroundings albeit unseen to many. And they are indicative of the existence of God; and only God's power and mercy keep such things at bay.

Many Christians will tell you that they have also had experiences with demons. During prayer, some people will start screaming and writhing on the floor. Then the pastors would pray and command the demons to leave them in the name of Jesus and they would calm down. Many Christians see this as evidence of the existence of demons and the power of the name of Jesus over them. This happens in big and small churches of many denominations. Do you think these Christian exorcisms are genuine? If not, what do you think is really happening?

greetings:
Because it gladden my heart and it's the only thing I have found that remains with me when all hope is lost. Islam is the light in my tunnel, and it makes me a more intelligent person and a better person as a whole.

I read the Quran and it vibrates through my marrow, as I have never come across any text like it.... (I read all kinds of books). And it further affirms my belief that only an Almighty can put together something like this. He says there are signs everywhere on earth but only those sincere and work towards righteousness will truly conceive it.
Example below;
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This is a verse in the Quran describing Allah..... I mean! It gives me chills anytime I read it....and there are various like that... i have no doubt am on the true religion.

Wow, this is a very spirited response. Thanks for sharing it!

[s]Some Christians have expressed similar feelings about their religion. They feel that Jesus gives them joy when all hope is lost. They feel that the bible is beautiful and when they read it, God speaks to them. They feel that being 'born again' makes them better people all round. How would you convince those Christians that Christianity is not the true religion despite the very similar and rich experiences that they have had?[/s]
Pls answer this instead: https://www.nairaland.com/3306503/personal-reasons-believing-islam/1#48772601