₦airaland Forum

Sibrah:
What exactly is your point?

djdoxxx:
After the whole challenge....the jass-men tested their jass on themselves when I sharpened the cutlass and offered them #5,000( they were feeling I had only #3,000 with me so they asked I dropped #4,000....after a little debate on : na only 3k dey my hand...and they insisted 4k....I caught them off guard.... I offered 5k straight.....they then had no choice and started preparing all their concuction .....one of them used the 'oju olongbo jass' which is done by swallowing 7 seeds, which mustn't touch the teeth....this jass can be done in many ways....so I told them to use a method that would give no excuse which they did.....


After the strikes, this was what we experienced...



more pictures would come up



videos were very long....would find time to upload on YouTube.

wirinet:
The best way to make people see the folly of religious beliefs is to debate and exchange opinions as we had been doing here on Nairaland. With time the religious fanatics would gradually start questioning long held dogmas. This is how tens of people have denounced their faith right here on nairaland and this is how hundreds more have started questioning long held beliefs.
Dumping religion is a slow and painful process, if you try to attack religion directly, you will face a fierce response.

Remember, few of us started the crusade of freeing people from the shackles of religion way way back from 2007, we had memorable debates back then with people like Huxley, Mazaje, Noetic, Davidylan, Pastor AIO, Deepsight, Morpheus, etc. Today i feel very happy to see that Nigerians, especially the youth are is slowly waking up from religious malaise and direct that energy into developmental tasks.

hakeem4:
I'd have been first to comment, but I had to read all those nairaland rules



I've been on nairaland for almost 3 years and I'm just noticing that nairaland doesn't have rule 17

Is it that seun deliberately did it or he doesn't know 123

BuddhaPalm:
But to be fair, without religion, the world would be quite a depressing place for lots of people.

darkenedrebel:
Why are you flip-flopping and trying to twist your own words just to weasel your way out of the logical fallacy you were guilty of? This was what you said to Naijababe, and I quote:
Admit your howler and stop trying to cover your tracks.

And FYI, there are oodles of data, happenings, and evidences that show that God indeed is not just a fictitious character, or a figment

the Incorruptibles (bodies of saints which after many years were found intact and without any decay—a phenomenon which till date has no scientific cum logical symmetry to it),

The Shroud Of Turin

cases of Stigmatists—like Padre Pio, Francis of Assisi et al (Stigmatists are people who suffered wounds of Christs, which inexplicably appeared most times on their palms or feet)

Why don't you sit back and think what our purpose on earth is if indeed there is no God and we are all just temporary occupants of earth? Think about it, why are we here? To enjoy the vain music and food? To use science to make our 'godless/non-spiritual' lives easier? To be born, only to die later, and probably before we even clock 70—especially in this age where life expectancy is at the downswing side of the curve.

Since you claim God doesn't exist then 'what is the purpose of humanity on earth'

why do we have to be arrayed in high moral fibre or be altruistic, or be do-gooders, since after all, God and hell doesn't exist? Tell me, why must I do good?

mekkfreshboy:
Thanks . I meant that Einstein was a Theist. (He was Jewish). I wonder if Mr Seun employs more rational and critical thinking than Albsert Einstein who despite been a renown Physicist also believed in Intelligent Design.

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

darkenedrebel:
According to Seun: "I have to be an Atheist because there is no evidence of any God"

This is a logical fallacy: argumentum ad ignoratiam (appeal to ignorance). Is this how you normally argue? Because there's no evidence of this, then it is nonexistent?

Orbiting that same fallacious illogicality of yours, I dare say that a kid born in an impoverished home—which peradventure is also located in the village—is right in believing that he/she can never achieve success, simply because he/she has no evidence that the wherewithal and opportunities to be wealthy and successful abound in the urbanized towns and cities.

IffaCatchYouEhn:
"Niqeria richest blogger"

Seun is richer joor

I believe in Intelligent Design, that there exist a reality higher and greater than oneself. I have weighed the Atheist lack of believe in a Divine Creator and found certain flaws in it.

They cannot logically prove to me the non-existence of a Divine creator.

I oppose religious extremism but my QUESTION remains “Is Atheism the way forward? How exactly can lack of belief in a Divine creator add meaning to your life and make the society a better place.

naijababe:
Religious people are suffering ? How? Explain please with succinct and specific examples, thank you very much.

Like seriously, you believe that if you free me from what you call my delusion I will live a better life like you?
I see your viewpoint which plainly dictates that you are living a better life than I am because you are an atheist and I am not!

And if I am not mistaken, you are suggesting that we should all embrace 'Hedonism', just seek pleasure over pain, in fact emphatically self-pleasure, right?

For many, a better life is beyond money, comfort and pleasure. There is such a thing as contentment, I know it a concept that is by and large alien to the Nigerian society but it exists, you should give it try.I am a person of faith and I came to the knowledge of what I am by knowledge and choice, while many not be that spiritually matured to be that way, a bigger majority are. You need to come down from your high horse and acknowledge that many make these choices deliberately and consciously.

Of course, this drivel will not be complete without a dig at JW or one sect or another, I can also say that many atheist also choose euthanasia/DNR just because they don't want to suffer and then deprive their loved ones of their love and perhaps drive them to a life of addiction and depression. Is doing it for hedonistic reasons more admirable?

You need to open your world view a bit, just using the tiny sample size in mini Ogun State and perhaps Nigeria will not cut it.

Religion is perhaps responsible for some of the finest forms of music, poetry, fine art and so on, I can argue that many of these self expressions have their in religion and the contribution of religion, the religious and influence of religion on the non-religion cannot be ignored. I mean common man, the kind of cult following perpetrated in Nigeria is not always a definition of the religious or religion.

Another crass generalisation, none of the Eastern religions believe in the afterlife as you describe above but in reincarnation, the concept is even completely non existent in Judaism; only Islam and Christianity subscribe to the afterlife thesis.

Now, moving along, I don't know where you got the idea that they believe they have to endure miserable lives in exchange for an imaginary paradise, even in Nigeria, that is a big fat giant lie, in fact the reason why pastors/alfas in Nigeria have a cult following is because the followers want to live 'BETTER LIVES' . Have you noticed that the mental oppressed are the uneducated? Given your well meaning position, what are you doing about that? I have often told people, if you want to know what life was like in medieval Europe, just go to Nigeria, where all power belonged to the clergy and the aristocrats, in current Nigeria substitute aristocrats for politicians. With the advent of Gutenberg's printing press, the Bible became readily available and education no longer remained an exclusive right of titled men or men in robes. That perhaps gave birth to one of the finest periods in history, The Renaissance, otherwise known as the age of Enlightenment, while religion was questioned, it also matured, giving rise more matured and alternative viewpoints some of which persists today. You should consider other 'isms' other than atheism, many religious people have and still choose theism.

Another preposterous generalisation largely applicable to Nigeria, ...

As for prayer, I am sure you know what the placebo effect is, look it up if you you don't know, doctors or science are yet to explain what is responsible for it, there is something belief does for the psyche.

Another Nigerian stereotype, I just tire.

I am against abortion because I am pro-life, in my opinion, it is irresponsible to have sex and get pregnant in this day and age when so many precautionary measures abound

I'd like to ask how abortion can/will encourage any form of sexual accountability when a teenager knows there is always an option of getting an abortion?

Just in case you are ignorant of the facts, abstinence does more than preventing unwanted pregnancies, funny that this paragraph ignores the many ills of premarital sex such as STDs, HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis, and sexual depravity as result of not being emotionally ready to engage in sex I can't shout abeg.

Religious people are against religious sex education

Funny that you chose to cleverly ignore women like Esther, Abigail, Deborah, Lydia, Phoebe or women in Islam such as Aisha, Khadijah, Miriam the wife of Firiaoun or Fatima al-Fihri, look her up, she established the first and oldest university in Morrocco. I will forgive that slight, as an atheist your sojourn into religion is to find only what is wrong never what is right so you may be forgiven for your ignorance of the women above but what about women like Indira Gandhi, Marie Curie, Angela Merkel or even me, naijababe?

An0nimus:
Seun please respond to naijababe's detailed reply to your first post.

HCpaul:
But the problem is that apart from online platform, how can we successfully communicate this rational information in our primitive environment filled with primitive homo sapiens?

Ranchhoddas:
A large number of people are good because of their hope in one afterlife or the other. Hardened criminals have ''discovered'' Christ or any other deity and become good.

Acidosis:
To persons (e.g. me) who had the opportunity to gain education, sorry, a million atheists cannot convince me that there is no supreme being somewhere. Don't waste your time. We have gained enough education to know what's best for us.

hahn:
Religious People Are Suffering & They Need Our Help

tempem:
They should be outspoken when they don't even know why they are here..

When they can't even tell you how to be happy?

Farmerforlife:
Your proposal is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Not all religions have harmful teachings when applied correctly

Also, on the surface, it might seem nice to allow unbridled hedonism to take over the world, and live merely for our pleasures of, as you put it, but free license does have its drawbacks, which include harmful effects on society.

theoneJabulani:
Indeed we should BT is this Nigerian society ready to accept the truth?

01Mysticdon:
I'm not religious but I hate abortion. I don't like the idea.

ccffwx:
GOD did not make man superior to woman. Man and woman are of one specie of being. That things are done for order to exist does not mean that I'm superior to you. On judgment day, everybody will be judged same. So I'm saying that it's not GOD's idea but human interpretation that man is superior thisthat as you pointed out in the post. Thanks.

peacesamuel94:
... atheists are not in the place to save them from their suffering, How can a blind man lead a one eyed man? it should be the other way round.

0rex:
No, they should NOT. Even if they are right, the society is not ready to accept that. They'll most likely be lynched.

JSoE:
You have made a lot of sense but it's not that easy to convince people to see the truth .... I can't even tell my mum cos she'll go 'ka-booom!!!' on hearing that I'm now an agnostic.

Although I have succeeded in freeing one of my friends from the scourge of religion

ireneony:
Happy birthday to mr seun. Our oga at the top!
I Wish you long life and prosperity.
May your birthday be filled with happy hours and your life with many birthdays.

Happy birthday once again sir

anselm791:
What kind of God will she be if she goes about proving herself just because Seun wants evidence, I for one, will sure not want to to worship that kinda god.

Dejideji1:
Those links didn't answer the question at all. The details in the first link is full of assumptions. Abiogenesis is the natural process of life occurring from non-living matter, such as simple organic matter.

It still has to do with the question i asked, why is it that scientists have not been able to replicate the process in the lab? So far, they have not been able to create life from non-living matter.

What we know is that it's only life that begets life so far, they have only been successful @cloning which still requires a pre-existing life (a living cell)

The second link didn't account for the origin of the sexes or how they evolved independently. It only addressed the need/advantage of sexual reproduction. Which doesn't answer the question

malvisguy212:
here in kaduna, I witness a man who was kill for refusing to deny jesus. There are many testimonies of this same issue. Why will this people choose to die for there faith if there is no afterlife?

Praise be to Allaah.
The scholars are agreed that Jumu’ah prayer is not obligatory for women, and that they may pray four rak’ahs of Zuhr in their homes.

Ibn al-Mundhir (may Allaah have mercy on him) says in al-Ijmaa’ (no. 52):
They are unanimously agreed that Jumu’ah is not obligatory for women. End quote.

The evidence for that is the hadeeth of Taariq ibn Shihaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Jumu’ah is a duty that is required of every Muslim in congregation, except four: a slave, a woman, a child or one who is sick.”

onetrack:
I agree; I'd rather know the harsh true than be told a pleasant lie, but not everybody is strong enough to deal with that and as long as they don't hurt themselves or others, I would say that the rational thing to do is to let them believe their comforting lie.

Dejideji1:
1. How did the first life forms evolve? (I know you will say by chance)

2. Why is it that it’s life that begets life? Even in cloning, a living cell is required. Scientists claim to know all the building blocks of life but why have they not been able to create life in the lab if it happened by chance as they believe?

3. For the issue of the sexes, how did male and female species evolve independently?