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rationalhuman:
Let me try to inform you how these things works. You need certain test procedures for various validations. Playing with Pathogens and Viruses is not joke , Even BSL-1 Labs are not available and you see people here talking about developing Cures?? You dare to do such things when you have BSL-4 or atleast BSL-3 Labs.
We barely have basic Chemistry lab in our universities able to do simple Titration test.

Forget BSL-3, No Country has BSL-2 Lab in this continent. I doubt if any country will be able to have BSL-2 in next 25 years.
(Exception are South Africa, (thanks to Whites), and French has theirs in Gabon to research local disease)

I dont have hope for BSL-4 Level for next 100 years. (USA has 8 , India has 6, Australia has 3, South Korea has 1 such labs)

The first successful human vaccine was made by simply taking pus from the sores on a lady with cowpox and rubbing it into the wounds of healthy people to protect them from smallpox. The second one was made by infecting a rabbit with rabies and injecting the weakened virus harvested from its spinal cord into a boy who had been bitten by a rabid animal. Many vaccines since them have been made by growing human viruses in chicken eggs for several generations to reduce their virulence in humans. I don't see why can't we do such things in Nigeria.

It would be nice to have BSL-3 labs, but I doubt that researchers need extreme safety measures that can't be attained in Nigeria to work on a disease that is currently spreading in the country. You would need extreme safety measures to work with Ebola because of the risk that it would escape from the lab, but you wouldn't need them to work on malaria or the common cold viruses which are already everywhere in the country.

And you are talking about Vaccine development for such thing? We dont have Genome Copying Systems and know how, First you need to map the Genome of any pathogens then you do Bio-molecular research.

Vaccines were developed and successfully administered for many decades before the first "Genomic Copying System" was developed.

Cure will come from India, US, Britain, Canada or Australia. We can just wish and pray for their success. We people from this continent are indeed most unproductive and irrational humans on this planet, no wonder whole worlds laugh at us. Tell me you were in jolly mood while posting this. Comparison with India?

India is very similar to us. They have a corrupt and inefficient government, and a large population which includes millions of extremely poor people living in dirty slums. But unlike us, they are willing to try to do things by themselves, instead of giving up and waiting for the West to do everything for them.

Europe, Asia and America will not provide sufficient vaccines to us until they have vaccinated the majority of their own citizens. This may take years. Fortunately, there are many Nigerians abroad who know how to make vaccines; why can't we ask them to please help us?

I'm very flattered to see Nairaland being compared to the likes of Reddit and Quora. I hope Nairaland can live up to your expectations someday.

lalasticlala:
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-clusters-emerge-virus.amp

Codedrock:
Like I said once before.. No one can contain this virus.. Unless there is going to be an actual vaccine which is appearing to be less likely everyday the virus will be a normal thing, and even if there are no cases the whole thing will start all over again.. All this shutdown and social distancing shit is nothing but bull... We can't do this forever, governments need to start helping citizens build stronger immune systems..

If every country could do what South Korea, Germany, and many Asian countries have done to suppress the virus - the use of quality face-masks everywhere and many smart infection reduction strategies, combined with fast and proactive testing, we could wipe out the virus. However, only a few countries seem to have the vision and imagination to do what needs to be done. And as long as there is one country in the world that isn’t handling the virus correctly, the countries handling it correctly will not be totally safe.

Countries relying on lockdown to control the virus will never be able to lift their lockdown because once they life it, the virus will come back. Such countries are in serious trouble economically and also in terms of health. Countries like South Korea which rely more on rapid testing and contact tracing to knock down the virus whenever it reappears rather than lockdown will be able to avoid economic collapse because that strategy is more sustainable and can be continued until a vaccine is produced in sufficient quantities.

The economic lockdown approach to fighting the virus remains a short-sighted, unsustainable strategy that no country can rely on, because it robs countries of the very resources that they need to fight the virus. It is particularly unwise for poor countries which already have a shortage of resources to follow a “strategy“ that robs them of the limited resources that they have.

ceejayluv:
What we need is either a "knockout" drug or a highly effective vaccine to eradicate the virus. Long shots I must say

I’m optimistic that we will have several effective vaccines eventually, since this is a virus that most people’s immune systems can naturally handle given enough time, and vaccines work by stimulating the immune system. It’s not the kind of virus that attacks the immune system or hides from it. Honestly I think Nigeria should be working on creating a vaccine since it’s not rocket science. If we are waiting for other countries to make a vaccine and immunize their own citizens before selling it to us, we will be waiting for a long time. If India can make vaccines, why can’t we? Even a primitive vaccine should work.

I appreciate these suggestion. Thank you so much!

martineverest:
face mask doesn't stop corona from spreading.....all counties that relaxed their lockdown,even when social distancing and wearing of face masks were observed ,yet corona cases increased

Name 3 of those countries so that we can discuss the reasons why their cases increased and whether or not it was worth it to relax their lockdowns.

KingKingKing:
You are damn funny, Did you just say use facemasks? Don't you go out on the streets to see how non compliant Lagosians are? A lot of people do not value their lives thereby putting the lives of those who value their lives at risk!

Enforcing face-masks is easy. When people leave the house, there are places they want to go. Markets, stores, offices, motor-parks, public transport, banks, atm kiosks, etc. Govt can simply instruct the people running those places to deny access to people not wearing face-masks.

The only language Nigerians understand is "Force" we gotta learn the hard way , we have sworn to be defiant and non compliant then we have to be locked up once again so as to protect those who are vulnerable from getting infected!

That's lazy governance. If some people are not compliant with the rules, advice them, assist them, and arrest them if they still don't cooperate. Under no circumstance should a government punish the innocent along with the guilty. People following precautions must be allowed to work.

Alexk2:
I disagree with you on this Seun. It was so premature in the first place to ease the lockdown when we did considering these three important factors;
1. We were so far behind in the area of testing so much so that community transmission broke forth before we could manage the foreign import cases. up till now, we are still lagging before compared to where we should be by now. Just imagine how many covid 19 virus carriers are walking in the streets of Lagos and sharing it since last week Monday!

2. Due to our failure above, the number of cases will keep increasing for now; we're still far from reaching the "peak" and the only logical option for now is a total lockdown while the govt must as a matter of urgency work on testing rates, isolation and management of Victims; this isn't about just Lagos state but the whole country.

3. Locking down FCT, Lagos and Ogun state only is a disaster in it's own from the start.....even if we succeed in these three places after an effective lockdown, people will carry the virus back to Lagos and Abuja thereafter. BTW, the borders are as porus as ever even during lock down.....yes I know someone will remind me of Kogi and cross-river state but it's only a typical Ostrich story who dip her head inside the ground claiming she's fine so far she's unaware of what's going on around her...It is better we face the reality now or we all face the consequences later; the choice is ours.
It is a choice between life/health and wealth/economy. Only the living talks about money bro.

Here's the problem. Everything that needs to be done to fight the virus costs money. Test-kits, laboratories, PCR machines, and reagents cost money. Isolation centers cost money to build and to run. Qualified health experts to run the facilities and the PPE to protect them cost a lot of money. Drugs and equipment to treat the sick cost money. ICU beds, ventilators, oxygen, etc. As we have more active cases, the cost will grow. Surveillance of every community in Nigeria so that outbreaks can be detected early and squashed through aggressive testing and contact tracing costs money. Giving poor, jobless people food so that they won't revolt costs money. And the source of all this money is the economy.

If we let the economy crash, we won't be able to afford those things, and the deaths we're trying to avoid will still happen due to lack of funds.

Salary earners who have not lost their jobs yet, single people who work online, essential workers, etc, will vote yes. Most others would vote no.

A lockdown is the most brainless way to fight the Coronavirus. Our leaders need to use their wits and imagination to figure out better, smarter ways.

We cannot afford to wreck the economy by locking it down. If we wreck the economy then where will we get the money needed to fight the virus?

Yet, we cannot afford to allow lots of people to get sick and be killed by the virus. The fear of being infected is enough to wreck the economy.

The only way forward is to use face-masks and enforce science-based infection minimization rules to protect lives and also protect the economy.

It is crucial to understand that, as a poor country with a large population, we don’t have the luxury of choosing between saving lives and saving the economy. We must get people back to work, and we must keep them safe.

Is it a loan or a gift?

This is why I am against the state by state approach to tackling this crisis. The PTF and NCDC and president should make the rules about how things should be done at the national level, and every state must follow the rules. If some states handle the situation seriously, and other states are not serious, the serious states will have to remain under restrictions indefinitely to avoid being affected by people from the unserious states.

His isolation center is very nice. I wish all infected Nigerians would be isolated in centers that look like this. Good luck to the man and his wife.

Lorazepam:
1340 tests conducted within the last 24 hrs

Thanks. Where did you see this, so I can check it next time?

We need to know the number of tests conducted during the day to make sense of this.

This is the way.

sanny1:
NO MORE BIRTHDAY'S ON NAIRALAND THE CODE HAS BEING REMOVED ENJOY

You can still see if it’s a users birthday on her profile.

It is highly unlikely that Kogi state is free of COVID-19. The NCDC is absolutely right that the virus is everywhere. After what we have seen in Kano, Jigawa and, frankly, the entire world, the position of the Kogi State government cannot be taken seriously.

However, I empathize with this part of what the OP said:

He left the impression of certainty that the virus would reach every nook and cranny of the country. I paused and asked myself: who is NCDC working for? Are they working to curtail the virus or spread it? If indeed they're working to arrest the spread of covid-19 in the country, why was the NCDC DG so sure that it would get to every state?

I am not a fan of the NCDC’s defeatist attitude either. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought they were trying to wipe out the virus from the country by isolating all active cases, hence the drastic measures. Lately it seems that the NCDC’s goal is just to observe and inform us about the progress of the virus.

When is the next election?

Seems nice.

I don’t think he was talking about making vaccinations mandatory. He was talking about making the vaccine available to everybody. The truth is that, even when the vaccines become available, it will be difficult for people in poor countries to get vaccinated. Just as there is a shortage of PPE and test kits right now making it hard for poor countries (and rich countries with bad leaders) to protect their people, there will be a shortage of Coronavirus vaccines for a long time, and rich countries will get them first. The WHO might intervene to get health workers in poor countries vaccinated early but the rest of us will remain unprotected for a long while. People who afraid of mandatory vaccination will have nothing to worry about for a very long time, sadly.

The key to vaccine effectiveness is to get a large majority of people vaccinated. 60% and above, depending on the disease. If enough people volunteer to be vaccinated then there will be no need to make it mandatory. If not, then it must be mandatory. But we won’t have enough vaccines for everyone for a very long time.

Omoluabi16:
We don't have the tools to enforce it. Our force men are poorly trained, and will end up killing people. A report shows the border security are aiding interstate movement after collecting bribe. We ate in trouble.

The enforcement of face-masks is simple. Entry into banks, markets, motorparks, government offices and other places will be denied to those not wearing face-masks. As for the ban on inter-state travel I am opposed to it. The goal is to wipe out the virus, not to limit it to a particular location. The number of people infected by someone carrying the virus is the same regardless of which state he is in. We need a national approach to it.

Jakemedg:
The question is are Nigerians ready to comply with the social distancing rule？ you and i know that most Nigerians have this i don't care attitude

Are they ready to comply with another lockdown? If the government can enforce another lockdown, then they can surely enforce social distancing rules. After Funke Akindele was charged to court we've not heard about any other celebrity throwing a party during this crisis. Government 101.

If Lagosians are not following the rules, it's because you are not enforcing them. There's nowhere in the world where enforcement isn't needed. If you truly believed that everyone would comply with the directive to wear unbreathable ankara masks in this hot weather without any enforcement ... that's not a good sign.

Medical researchers have reported that the novel Coronavirus causes blood clots in many patients. Blood clots in the brain lead to strokes.

Can you imagine how many people must have the disease for there to be 100 known deaths?

itsRhamzy:
all designed by yours truly.

my pictures are not uploading. seun why?

any error message?

I really think I should have a say here

Why has no journalist asked them for the reason why these people keep running away? It’s very important.

tetralogyfallot:
do your maths well. If they share $311m to 200m Nigerians every Nigeria will get roughly N560 only. Wetin 560 fit do u?

560 in every pocket will actually make a difference to many people. The main issue is that the cost of distributing the money might be too high.

I wish we could see the number of tests conducted on each day broken down by state so we can actually interpret these figures.

If a state is testing more people, a large number of new cases is not so alarming. If a state tests almost nobody, a low number is not reassuring.

enochogaga:
Nigerian's is a pity we cannot think and do research on our own, now pastor Chris gas said so many things on that short clip why can't why just go and do our research.
See everyone, my bro working in the NCDC if I tell u guys what is going on, and many things that is but under the desk. We all we start protesting

Please tell us. Knowledge is power and it can save lives. To make a better country, we all have to get involved.