₦airaland Forum

cybertron88:
Ur calculation won't paint the true picture as it doesn't capture the whole data. In statistics, inference drawn without considering the whole data is always limited and most often can't be used for analysis and future projections.

I don’t mean to sound mean, but some of the active cases may still end in death, so we can’t count them yet. It would be misleading. We can only count the cases that have been concluded.

(Total deaths) / (total discharged + total still being treated who may or may not die) is a meaningless statistic even if that’s what the media has been calculating for other countries. We have to compare like to like.

cybertron88:
Wrong calculation. It should be total death/total cases.

I used (total deaths) / (total closed cases) because we don’t know how the open cases will end.

kiyosaki1:
The death recorded in Lagos is of a patient with the following underlined health issues

The man, a 55-year-old hypertensive and diabetic patient had presented to LUTH’s emergency unit on Thursday night with “malaise, tremors, and fever.”

He was also diagnosed with acute chronic kidney disease and sepsis.
He also recently came back from Holland two weeks ago .

Where did you get this info? Do you work for the NCDC? Or is it from an article?

Our death rate based on concluded cases is 4 / (4 + 25) => 13.7%.

I love this.

Excellent; I hope they are using the right materials though.

We have shut it down. We do not support ponzi schemes in any way, shape or form.

I don't care if the government begs Elon Musk for ventilators. If the begging works we get to save a few lives with each ventilator.

The website to visit is https://nimr.covid.com.ng/

Highly unfortunate, if true. I hope it's not true but I also hope Aunty Kemi doesn't get into trouble for this tweet.

Shelumiel:
Stop talking trash and face the realities here: you are living in a third world country that has little or no measures to contain the spread of covid-19.

Lockdowns are especially unsustainable in poor countries. Poor people cannot stay at home for long. All over the world, celebrities are sitting at home and encouraging us to do the same because they don't have to work. Poor people have to work. Our government can’t feed them all.

The best and only way possible is to tell people to stay indoors pending when virus blows over.

The virus will be with us for months. The vaccine won't be available until next year. Massive testing and isolation, enforcement of face-masks and hygiene, etc can be sustained for years in a strong economy. Lockdowns can't. People are already protesting in Lagos after just two days!

This maybe harsh but its the cheapest and safest way to deal with this.

It is not cheap. The wealth of a nation is the productivity of its people. A nation whose people are not working grows poorer every day. The true cost of the lockdown is the value of the goods and services that people would have produced if they were not forced to stay at home. The cost of massive testing and putting a mask on every face is high, but compared to the loss of productivity due to the lockdown, it's nothing at all.

sapientia:
Your bolded is misleading. You said just by without stating that it also helps.

Staying at home helps on the short-term, but it's not sustainable on the long term. Here's an analogy: staying at home prevents car accidents. But you don't see any country asking people to stay at home to reduce the rate of car accidents. Instead what they do is encourage safety measures like wearing seat belts, defensive driving, and not overspeeding, so that we can conduct our businesses without crashing our cars.

In the same way, the government should encourage the wearing of face-masks by everybody, everywhere. They should teach people how to use their face-masks properly to achieve the benefits, just as they are teaching people to wash their hands. They should insist that every home and every business and every bus must enforce the washing of hands before people are allowed to enter it. Violators should be punished reasonably.

Staying at home is not the answer for a country with so much poverty. There is no point in saving ppl from the Coronavirus only for them to die of hunger and malnutrition and increased crime. The lockdown policy is simply unsustainable. It is at best a temporary measure to enable the government to get it’s act together. It is not a long-term strategy.

There is no country that has beaten the Coronavirus just by asking people to stay at home. The countries that are beating the Coronavirus, China and South Korea, both did 2 things:
1) Massive testing of suspected cases and isolation of infected people.
2) Encouraging everybody to wear face-masks in public to dramatically reduce the rate of transmission, because many carriers of the virus have no symptoms and can still spread it

Those are the key things we need to do. Shutting down the economy will rob us of the financial resources that we need to carry out the measures that actually work. If we actually calculate economic losses for each day that Lagos is closed, we would be shocked.

Just as asking people to abstain from sex to prevent AIDS never worked, but urging them to use condoms worked, asking people to stay at home when they are poor, cannot work. Our government doesn't have the resources to feed everyone until the vaccine is ready. What we need is for people to use a condom for their faces when they have to go out. If 80% of us can wear face-masks, the problem is solved.

myforty68:
N95 masks should be for only health workers. The general public is free to use surgical face masks until use it correctly. It may give them a false sense of security and encourage them to take unnecessary risks

If n95 masks are more effective than surgical masks, it makes sense to provide them to anyone whose job involves meeting a lot of people. If putting a n95 mask on a cashier at shoprite can prevent her from getting infected by a customer and spreading it to 100 others, it is worth it.

tot:
It's not feasible to provide PPE to everyone. By the way, who should pay for it?

Surgical face-masks used to cost about N13 before Coronavirus. It would cost less than N260m to make enough face-masks for every Lagosian.

sochima1989:
The best protective equipment we need is to stay home and stay safe

Why not use both? Stay home and stay safe if you are jobless or rich. Go to work with the best protective equipment you can afford if you're not.

Pls we need to provide protective equipment to everyone, not just health workers. If we don't get sick, doctors won't have to risk their lives for us.

fghanni:
Do you own this page on Facebook. If no you will have to report the page asap.

That's alarming. Please provide a link to the page.

This Lagos lock down has locked down my ability to source for masks in order to distribute them.

If chloroquine is very effective and they are using it, then I guess we will need less ventilators per case.

However, if this is not the case, it means the NCDC is woefully unprepared, the honorable minister is engaging in wishful thinking, and a lot of elderly men and women, young people with diabetes, heart disease, lung disease from smoking or exposure to polluted air and dust, asthma, HIV, or bad luck, are going to die.

Certainly testing and isolation is key to preventing this upcoming calamity, but the government is clearly not yet ready to spend the kind of money it will take to test and isolate infected people at a rate fast enough to contain the disease, and they don’t have workers who are as efficient as they need to be.

I want to believe this COVID-19 problem won’t lead to an increase in dictatorship around the world.

sassysure:
It can never reach the crazy level in the West as at last 2 weeks or last week.
The only problem is that prices will skyrocket.

Hiked up prices during times of high demand prevent shortages. Economics 101. The West hate "price gouging", so they experience scarcity.

hedonister:
It's for the best. We better start the lock down now or regret it later.

The lesson of Italy is not "lockdown is the only way". The lesson is that whatever you choose to do, whether it's an unbrainy lockdown, or a brainy strategy of fast testing, contact tracing, isolation of the infected, and promoting the widespread use of protective equipment, you must do it quickly. So if a lockdown is our government's best idea of what can be done to defeat the virus, then it's good that they are doing it quickly.

Uh? I mean, this seems good if our lockdown will end at the same time as the Lagos lockdown. 14 days of house arrest for no crime is too long.

galaxiesss:
Mr.Seun , with Absolute Sincerity I had Fever , Difficulty in breathing and coughs ,After all effort to get Tested by NCDC and get Treated I became frustrated and decided to self isolate till a Friend who is Therapist told me about the Combination of Chloroquine Azithromycin and zinc Sulphate , That Combination saved my life till now .That friend of mine Later told me he read about it online .I later stumbled on it and I have been tirelessly calling on WHO ,The World , NAFDAC to please try the combination.One of my thread with pictures was even Deleted . However it would be Un-wise for anyone with right senses to go using it for Preventions ,After all we cannot stop Ignorance with Ignorance bearing in mind that even if a Drug is Approved today those that would use it for Preventions would still do so .

Thanks for sharing your story. You are the first or second Nairalander in Nigeria who actually had the disease. I'm very glad that you're better.

Cmanforall:
It is really a sad situation. I am one of those advocating for the number of tests conducted to be made public. I guess you know why. Not because of the possibly limited test kits, but the numbers can give an overview of the situation on ground. For instance, testing 10,000 people and reporting 111 cases says a lot, in comparison with testing 120 people with 111 cases.
Both scenarios show 111 cases, but the latter shows no adequate screening etc.

If you are popular on twitter or other social networks, please let us demand the number of tests done.

They stopped indicating the number of tests after this report in which they had tested 846:

https://ncdc.gov.ng/themes/common/files/sitreps/8707184389b5620e999212ab3768d919.pdf

saajus:
News media should caution people from talking about Chloroquine until it has been clinically proven. 1 person last week died of Chloroquine overdose in the US . Trump started this problem. Let's remember how people got overdosed on aspirin during the Spanish flu

The man who died from Chloroquine didn't take the the medical form of chloroquine. He took a fish feed that contained chloroquine phosphate.

I still can't determine if this is real or not since the word "virus" was mentioned. Is it possible that someone was trying to cover up this expose?

VANZETA:
They have been a case, even 2. Quote me let me draw your attention to it.

Please do. The ones I've seen that were based in Nigeria either had malaria and typhoid or sore throat. The ones that had it were based abroad.