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It's easy to see you for the sad, little malignant gnome you are. if you think the only way to gain relevance and attention is to interspece your comments with vitriolic insults to your betters, then you're on the wrong track.
in your post, instead of tackling ANY issue, you chose to continue with the endless cycle of 'lets-blame-the jews' without actually putting forward any solution. just because we do not share the same view doesn't give you the right to call me and 'idiot', 'slowpoke' and a 'dumbass'.
I've always wondered how mature senators could exchange blows with their peers in the senate just because of differing views. now your rabid attack shows only too well that intolerance is everywhere.
It's not just me, is it? I've viewed a couple of your posts in other threads and it's alarming how often you resort to insults when confronted with opposing views. YOU paint a negative picture of yourself as an arrogant, intolerant egoist.
As to your statement insinuate i bring shame to Nigeria and nigerians because of my views, that's totally laughable.
So, if your plan is to draw me out, you've failed. You came close, little man, but ultimately all you are is another time wasting diversion.

I called you such because you did the same. Simple as that. Only in my case I was justified as you really are an slowpoke. For example I have not said "lets blame the jews" quit with the stupid bullshit and read what I said. I have said extremists on both sides are to blame for the current situation. READ YOU IDIOT. BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME. How many times will I say it, are you mentally retarded? I will state it again, EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME! Has it sunk in yet, are you beggining to get the major gist of my argument. I really hope so unless all hope is lost.

I've always wondered how mature senators could exchange blows with their peers in the senate just because of differing views. now your rabid attack shows only too well that intolerance is everywhere.

Intolerance is killing 300+ people in the name of killing 5 "terrorists". Intolerance is strapping a bomb to yourself and walking in the middle of a restaurant and killing innocent children. Both will never solve the problem. And contrary to the bullshit you posted I did post a solution, if you took the time to READ WHAT I POSTED. How can I argue with someone who doesnt even read my arguments and just regurgitates the same bull ad nauseum. I said compromise is the answer. Israel has to work out a plan with Palestine and its Arab neighbors if they ever want peace, that should be their primary goal, they should negotiate and negotiate till something is worked out, and it will work, most palestinians aren't extremist bomb strapping fanatics hellbent on destroying Israel, that group is a minority. Most Palestinians want to live in peace, and same goes for the Israelis. Military force will never work unless they go on a genocidal mission and wipe out all their Arab neighbors like the British did the Native Indians of the North Americas.

The way the Isreali supporters hear are passionately supporting is as if they are being paid or they are also citizens of Israel.

Sometimes I think they are confused that because people are not in support of Israel they are automatically supporting Hezbollah.

I am in support of Lebanon because they are the ones paying the price of Israel supposedly defending themselves.

Be it known that this is all the fault of Israel, whether they like it or not they created Hezbollah. Now they want to get rid of them, and in the process they are going to be creating something else.

Israel supporters keep talking about how Israel left southern lebanon (how long did it take them to leave lebanon).

Israel's act is terrorizing because they are instilling fear in the hearts of the lebanese people.

Exactly, only a Zionists can hold such unbalanced views on the situation. That is why I said I am ashamed if texazzpete is a Nigerian. Are you paid by AIPAC or something to spew such Zionist rhetoric up to the point that you do not even see what I wrote but only what you want to see. I could give a shit about the Palestinians, Arabs, Lebanese or Israelis, but I simply call it as it is. I do not take sides, quit trying to portray me like I think what Hezbollah does is justified, I understand why they do it, just like I understood why the British and other European powers sold slaves and treated Africans like chattel. You think I justify that to just because I can rationally explain the motivations behind those heinous, inhumane acts? Get the Bleep outta hear,

my three extra long legs

spoken like someone who hasn't had a suicide bomb balst in his neighbourhood in recent times. FYI, these security checks were put in place to check suicide attacks and other terrorist incidents. How u can even question the necessity behind suh an action escapes me. why do u think Bin Laden hasn't been able to attack israel? why did he go all the ay o the US and psain to carry out attacks?

If u were an american, and u knew that in 1981 Hezbollah blew up a us base, killing 241 Us marines in one fell swoop, would u not encourage someone in stamping them out?

spoken like a true right winger. Yeah I would want them stamped out. The question is how. You would say if Hezbollah then went to Nigeria to seek refuge the US would be justified in dropping a nuke or bombarding Nigeria to the ground since Hezbollah was among us. Right? lay waste to all the country and infastructure and villages since the group lives within there. Ever bother to ask why Hezbollah blew up the US base, find out what is driving people to Hezbollah and fueling them, you really think it is an unconditional, inbred hatred of the US and its freedoms. Are you that stupid? I am not disputing what the security checkpoints are for, I am disputing how that action, along with others I mentioned including also building a 25+ foot wall fuels the people against them. It is not and will not never solve the problem.

Second, Key goes on to describe facts versus theories. He uses gravity as an example again. He correctly says that gravity is a fact (he uses the word "law", but then incorrectly states this as Newtontian gravity. The problem here is that, while we may agree that we know a phenomenon exists, our theories are likely to just be approximations. We can't know that even GR is a perfect description. I think his willingness to state that his pet theories are fact, but the ones that he dislikes are "just theories" is a sign of hubris.”

gravity is an observable mechanism in nature. The law of gravity or Newtonian gravity attempts to explain this mechanism scientifically and has held up to intense scrutiny mathematically and physically when the frame of reference is not moving at speeds approaching the speed of light. I never said laws where perfect, but they are always above and hold more weight than theories.

Sure we share common genetic traits, sure speciation occurs and we can say such facts in the evolution theory lead to macro evolution and therefore the pine tree evolved to a dog over billions of years

read it again, those are some of the conclusions drawn from the TOE, the TOE never explicitely said that, it is a theory used to explain many things, one of those things is that macroevolution occurs over billions of years to create distinct species from previous species, the TOE in of itself doesnt state this. Again, read and understand what i said.

That’s wonderful, because the TOE does explain how one species evolves to another and theorises based on observable facts.

Again, using the TOE, please explain how the homo erectus became the homo sapien, this is the second time I will ask, explain away since the TOE explains this.

Actually it’s a valid and reasonable request, especially given the tendency for anti-evolution proponents to have different definitions for established terms, and their propensity to move goalposts on a whim. There’s also the added fact that it already looks like your definition of evolution and macro-evolution differs significantly from the science community.

Get your head out of your ass and read what I have stated. I am NOT ANTI-EVOLUTION dumbass. I believe in evolution. All I am arguing is it is a theory and is not the end all and be all in explaining the origin of man, it still has a long way to go in explaining our origins, much like any other THEORY, my point is theory have been and will continue to undergo revisions and corrections because they do not precisely explain mechanisms and events like laws do. And laws are often times approximations as well and have strict limits within which they can be used.

Erm, then what is macro-evolution if it isn’t speciation? And no, macro-evolution isn’t a hypothesis.

If it is speciation explain how the homo erectus became the homo sapien through speciation/macroevolution. Shoot,

No you haven’t reiterated the point ad nauseam, and it’s more accurate to say, when YOU say evolution, YOU generically [probably] mean MACRO-EVOLUTION. Nobody, to my knowledge, in the science community uses evolution as a generic substitute for Macro-.

We are not talking about the science community when discussing opponents of evolution we are talking about the community at large. DUH.

i cannot justify any loss of life in anyway, but at least there's a reason to any madness (well, most of 'em anyways)
The building in question was a derelict 4 storey building. the israeli air force had spent time and effort with announcements, telling all civilians to flee southern lebanon and leave the hezbollah alone. you'd think, just like they did that people would evacuate. unfortunately, several families did not leave, o their own free will. hence the carnage.
the israeli airforce released a video showing hezbollah millitants firing rockets into israel from residential areas. naturally, such sites would be targeted for bombing. the onus now is for the civillians in the area to escape far away from such sites before the hammer falls.
Sky News did a story recently on wave of child casualties during such incidents. Usually, kids from 7-16 flock around the fighters even during the fighting. it's normal childish bravado. unfortunatley it has gotten lots of them killed before.
It's not an easy pill to swallow, but we play Hezbollah's game when we shift all the blame to israel.
Ultimately, the people who brought grief to lebanon in july 2006 weren't jews. They were the Hizbollah terrorists. Pure and simple.
BTW, the day Qana happened, hezbollah rained down over 100 missiles at israel. the katyushas have only a small warhead, imagine if they had 500kg warheads. U know the carnage they would have cheerfully caused?

Let's stop deceiving ourselves. these Hezbollah don't care much about their own people. they just want the slaughter to ontinue unabated.

BTW, i can't recall ever hearing the lebanese president condemning Hizbollah,

Finally, all terrorist groups need/want is public opinion in their favour as they continue their campaign of bloodbath and terror. I hope y'all heard what Al Qaeda said. not content with the 'freedom' of the midle east, their new aim now is the reclamation of all muslim lands from iraq to SPAIN. i hope the spanish people heard that. I wonder where Nigeria fits in all that.

Are you Zionist or are you one of those rare Nigerians that has swallowed the ZIonist tag line hook line and sinker as well as fish and boat? DO you know anything about the history of the region, or understand human psychology? All your rants suggest that you have a huge racial bias that hezbollah and hamas and other groups are crazed islamists hellbent on killing their own people and all jews and its in their nature. If you cannot see fault on both sides, if you cannot see why a country like Israel is constantly and will be constantly "under seige" as you put it you are an idiot. I am not a Zionist or Hezbollah sympathizer, I do not side with extremists, but I can understand why both sides take that position. The Zionist movement is as evil in its essence as the Jihadists extremists movement that want to create Islamists nations out of the whole world. They are all a small population of their respective populaces, the difference being the Zionist have almost unlimited power in comparison. It is the same extremist racist bigot crazy thought that fuels suicide bombers as well as Israeli Air Force bombers to bomb whole villages because a hezbolla fighter fired a rocket from that village twenty minutes ago.

So please, readup on the region and the history of the region and understand the motivation for both sides before spewing your bigoted, baseless GARBAGE. Do not even get me started on how the Jews of Israel are not even the Jews of biblical times and are Ashkenazi jews, of East European descent converted to Judaism during the Byzantine empire in the 10th century and who now comprise of 90% of modern day Israel. They where not direct descendants of their middle easter counterparts. So even the religious and descendant based claims that forms the foundations of the claim of Israeli land in the religion is mostly baseless and a fraud. But what is done is done and we have to move forward in resolving conflict in the region.

And if you are Nigerian and/or African I am extremely appaled and ashamed we have people like you, you are the type of person that would probably have been a house boy as they called it in colonial times or a house negro in slave times. Creating an Apartheid nation and then wondering why the surrounding area attacks you and calling them terrorists is stupidity at its finest. I suppose the IRA where crazed lunatics? Or the blacks who revolted against slavery where bloodthirsty terrorists. Readup on how the state of Israel was created after the British mandate, it was founded by terrorists tactics. You cannot isolate a conflict or situation and start appropriating blame without context. Readup on some history dumbass.

Taking sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a tough thing to do. While it might be easy for those who are fed by American mainstream media reports to believe that Israel is right and the Palestinians wrong, the truth is much deeper.

The problem in the Middle East persists because since the State of Israel was violently created in 1948--largely by the efforts of the United States and Great Britain--the voiceless predominantly Arab Palestinians have had no where to turn to. Many of these Palestinians were forcibly removed from their homes—an act driven by a pseudo-religious belief that Palestine was the God-promised ancestral homeland of the Jews.

There were Jewish terrorist organizations, which worked with Zionists to see that as much Arabs as possible were driven away from Palestine, while Jews all over the world were invited to return. And in 1948, Israel was created. This Israel had the character of a Jewish State and an Arab minority.

Isn't it logical that most Arab governments, embittered by what happened in Palestine, chose not to recognize the State of Israel? Some have described the creation of Israel in Palestine as the worst blunder of the latter half of the twentieth century, for ever since it happened, that region has known no peace. But with American and British support, it appeared that Israel had come to stay. United Nations resolutions affirm its right to exist, a right which every modern nation states should respect.

All too often Israel is portrayed as a secular moderate republic by the mainstream American media, while Palestine is viewed as an aggressive and unsustainable state. In 1998, the then Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu came on CNN to clearly state that he did not believe in the creation of a Palestinian state. A large fraction of Netanyahu's Likud party (an extremist group in my opinion) holds a similar view, though according to this Wikipedia article, Ariel Sharon changed Likud's official policy with regard a Palestinian statehood.

However, it appears that even Sharon could not placate the more extreme members of Likud, which led him to create the Kadima party in late 2005. In other words, there is a powerful force in Israeli politics that is doing everything possible to see that Palestine never exists—contrary to United Nations resolutions. This force is the Israeli equivalent of Hamas and Hezbolla, the only difference being that it has American weapons to fight with and the American mainstream media is more sympathetic to its cause, making it appear morally superior.

While Israel preaches peace, it continues to flout United Nations resolutions by building settlements in the West Bank or Palestine if you prefer. Gaza, the most congested nation on earth is like a refugee camp. From the look of things, it is either that Israel doesn't want peace or that it is not willing to compromise. Before we can start talking about peace in the Middle East, Israel must cease all settlements in the West Bank and abide by outstanding United Nations resolutions. It must also dismantle the apartheid wall it is currently building, by which it covertly steals land from the Palestinians. A growing number of Arab countries have indicated their willingness to recognize Israel if it returns to the pre-1967 border.

Destroying the infrastructure of Lebanon isn't going to achieve much. It would surely not make Israel any safer. The disproportionate use of force in Lebanon clearly shows that this isn't about Hezbollah having captured two Israeli soldiers. From the look of things, support for Hezbollah has been on the increase in Lebanon since the bombing started, even amongst factions of Lebanon's 40% Christian population (who generally hold Hezbollah in contempt). Hezbollah isn't a political party per se that could easily be destroyed. It is like a movement, an ideology, formed in 1982 to drive Israeli forces out of Lebanon.

Israel is gradually driving itself into isolation on the international scene. For now, it does what it wants because the United States (the most powerful nation in the world) stands by its side. Fifty or sixty years from now, the tables may turn and Washington may have ceased dictating what goes on. All we hear from the United States now is that "Israel has a right to defend itself." Well, so do the Palestinians, a large part of whose land has been usurped by Israel. Until sanity and rationality are brought into resolving the surrounding issues, the fighting would go on and on. America may first have to lose its superpower status and its urge to control the world's oil resources for Middle East peace to be possible.

by Chippla

Erm, for those y'all who say all Northerners are dunces, Chippla is a Northerner. . .

I quoted this again because it is a oversimplification of the history and current situation but is the most accurate assesement in this thread. There are extremists on both sides, and the generals and politicians allowing this war to happen are just as extreme and morally equivellant to Hezbollah, Omert is no different from the leader of Hezbollah, they are both scum for what they do.

I just wanna add that the US saying Israel has a right to defend itself is important in the use of the terminology. the US Arms Export Control Act http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode22/usc_sup_01_22_10_39.html says we cannot export weapons to aggressor nations, only to nations that are defending themselves, hence the silly mantra by Bush et al. Same politics to cover their ass with the name change of the Department of War to the Department of Department of Defens in the early 20th century.  Most Israelis and Palestinians do want a 2 state solution and want them to live side by side, according to International law Palestinians do have a right to return although it is not feasible thanks to the circumstances, and now extremists on BOTH SIDES will not make that happen, especially when one of the extremists is being made a mini superpower and has unshakeable support from the defacto world super power.

In a country like Israel created by a one country backed Mandate and expanded on by brute force cannot be willing to comprimise and practice racist and imperialist actions without consequence. Instead of belligerence a country like Israel should be doing everything in its power to live side by side with palestinians and its Arab nation neighbors. And it is doing the opposite no matter what the right wing extremist government says. If the Israelis where not treating the Palestinians like dogs, controlling their water supply, having them go through multiple checkpoints, etc, it would go a long way in promoting peace for one.

I have given you some sources before, but you rather ignore them than go through them. Apparently you don't know what an ad hominem is, as I did not attack you, but your absolute, utter bullshit statement that A Scientific Law is and always has been above a Scientific theory.

Your sources say nothing on wether a law is above a theory. I posted a source with an example that proved my point and was pertinent to the argument at hadn.

Where in the TOE does it say that a pine tree evolved to a dog? One more indication that you are clueless. It really would help you to go and read the Understanding Evolution site at Berkeley, that way you can get rid of your misconceptions about the TOE.

I never said the TOE says a pine evolved to a dog. My point of that statement is The TOE implies common lineage.

From websters dictionary

to establish the existence, truth, or validity

You don't prove something scientifically. you prove something logically or mathematically. In science, evidence and falsifiability are key.

Look at the context I used the word, read the definition above and draw the right conclusion on what I actually said

No, it theorises.

It theorises after hypothesizing. Do you even know what the scientific process is. A Hypothesis has to be made and evidence shown before you can theorise.

Ducking the question, are we? Define me species, physical experiment and totally new species and I will show you several instances.

I am going to start defining individual words now so you know the parameters to construct your arguments? If you do not know what simple english words mean LOOK THEM UP.

Simply stated, while a law notes that something happens, a theory explains why and how something happens, in terms of the more fundamental laws.

Take Newton's law. One of its tenets is that the force of an object equals the mass times the acceleration due to gravity. That simple statement explains a multitude of things and events that occur macroscopically in nature, such as the rotation of planets, the flow of liquids macroscopically and a million other things. Tha law does not simply note that something happens. It tells us why as well. So your source and that statement, simply stated, is WRONG.

Erm, could you point out where wiki stated that the "theory of electromagnetism has been ELEVATED to law status."

I quoted the article verbatim and it said that, I am not going to repost my sources each time you request it when it is in this same thread. Just go up a few posts and read and you will discover where I quoted that source.

Erm, it explains and gives several reasons for how and why speciation can occur. An experiment? What about Drosophila (yeah, fruit flies)? IIRC, fruitflies with a percentage of genetic difference that surpasses or is about the same (I forget) that of humans and chimps would be a good example of speciation. No linkys though.

Speciation occurs and is reproduceable. I have said this since the beggining. However it doesnt prove macroevolution and show how macroevolution occurs.

just micro-evolution and macro-evolution doesn't happen

When we say evolution generically OFCOURSE we mean MACROEVOLUTION. Haven't I reiterated this point ad nauseum. And I am not even saying macroevolution doesnt happen. I am just saying the TOE doesn't prove for a fact that Macroevolution does happen and doesnt adequately explain how and the mechanisms of how it occurs. There is definately extraplolations that occur when going from micro to macro evolution. When so called creationists argue against evolution, I am sure even some of the most hard headed ones know for a fact microevolution occurs, they are not arguing about speciation or breeding or other microevolutionary mechanisms, they are arguing about macroevolution. If it isnt obvious that when people say evolution generically they mean macro evolution then I can see why you have trouble with statements that speciation isnt evolution, because that means speciation is not the same as Macroevolution, it certainly supports the the hypothesis that Macroevolution does occur just as genetic similarity between species supports the hypothesis that Macroevolution occurs.

You owe me part of your life at the very least.

Aha. Try again.

edit: I forgot to ask you what exactly you meant when you wrote: "And no, cross breeding and mixed breeding is NOT EVOLUTION". Could you please explain. Thanks.

is NOT (MACRO) EVOLUTION. The macro is implied. Make sense now

careful before CNN forwards your letter to the State Department for aiding Hezbollah

again I will ask, what univerisy and what program did he go through to get his degree. I never said Northern universities are not good. Please quote where I ever said that. I said where did Atiku get his degree. Maybe you did not get the point of my post. Atiku, like many politicians of his type is a fraud, he has a 1.2 million dollar Potomac mansion here in Maryland and several houses in Nigeria, this is a former customs officer, with non existant bussinesses. He is a fraud. Why people want a complete utter fraud and scandalous individual for present who probably has a fake law degree and definately took bribes while working in customs to be our next president is beyond me.

If like he says he made his money doing "bussiness" please let us get the names of his various corporate ventures. And if he has a law degree from what college did he get it from so we can all verify. It is easy to get fake diplomas in any university in Nigeria, be it North South East or West so location is besides the point. I have almost no doubt in my mind he spend 6 months at some law program and came out with a dubious law degree. The man is a fraudster.

Atiku has a diploma in law.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

he also has several bussinesses which explains his multimillion dollar worth as was cited from his autobiography in the Washington Post last week. Please, name 2 bussiness Atiku owns, their base of operations, and the taxes they have filed in any country. Better yet give us one product or service any of Atiku's bussiness.

And please name which college and what year he got his law degree. Please. I bet it is a Northen Naija Institute. And what kind of law did he study?

I swear Abacha could rise from the dead tommorrow and there would be brain dead zombie like morons running around like a beheaded chicken supporting his reelection. IBB for 2007?

If a Northerner gets voted in for 2007 mark my words there will be another secterian civil war in Nigeria.

when the US has veto power and such a huge influence on the UN what the hell do you expect him to do. Every resolution they pass against Israel and the US is vetoed down, Kofi Annan is a lion whose legs have been cuttoff, he can growl and roar all he wants but lacks the mobility to do anything.

if the next president is a Northerner the country will split up. People putting up Shagari must be nuts. Mark my words if a northerner comes into power in 07, even if the elections are deemed "fair" the country will split and we will see another regional war.

Blacks say daily bath is a must, no matter what. Blacks have no real reason for this position.
Whites say twice a week will suffice. Whites probably have done extensive research on the effects on the skin.
Scientists say eczematous skin gets worse with frequent baths. Do you agree or disagree?

whites have said many things. doesnt mean it is true idiot. They did extensive research and supported facts in the past such as africans weren't humans after "extensive" research in anthroplogy and physiology. Whites aren't the be all and end all of knowledge my friend.