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budaatum:
Where? Liar!

You Win Buda. You are very sincere and honest. You were never an atheist and do not support Homosexuality, that's okay. You Win.

Budaatum. Go ahead, call me Whatever, I understand. There's how much a man can pretend to be what he is not, not long the spirit inside begins to manifest.

But whoever has followed this thread till now has read what you typed, if you projected the mind of Christ here, they know, if not they also know.

I'm done with this Ego trip. enjoy your 'I-am-better-than-you contest. You Win. Go ahead know Christ, don't believe in Him. Your convictions won't affect mine, neither will mine affect yours.

THE MEANS DETERMINES THE END.

Bye Buda.

budaatum:
And I've repeatedly shown you one can know Christ without believing in Him first. I even gave you the example of Paul , who "heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” without first believing. Or did he believe before his encounter on the way to Damascus?

I most have missed that post. I didn't see it.

So you are saying that Paul knew Jesus before he set off to Damascus? As in, He knew who Jesus was (As the Messiah) before he heard His voice? And, yet he asked 'Who are you?'.

In other words when he knew Jesus, he persecuted Him by killing his Disciples but when he believed in Him, he stopped and started preaching the gospel and got killed doing so?

HMMMMMMMMMM~~in upper keys.

budaatum:
But, alas, since believing is of more importance to you than understanding and knowing, I could hardly expect you to consider it can I, since it's not one of the things you've been taught to 'believe' despite it being clearly shown in the book you claim you believe in

You can't help yourself can you?
You believe my pastors taught me to believe in Jesus, rather than know him without believing, but the Bible passages I posted to you did my pastor write them?
By the way, why haven't you commented on them yet?

budaatum:
You've, thankfully, allowed me to fully express my position here which is, believe, please, but those who can should seek so they can know and understand that Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God.

Has it occurred to you that since you've been making this claim, you have faild to raise one single scripture to back up this knowing rather than Believing?

Give me one where Jesus says 'Know me and I will repost believe in me to you'.

I know that those reading have seen that i am not against understanding and knowing the Lord. My stance is, you believe in Him first before...

Chai, una can lie o. That na cloth wey you go wear for Baptism o.

budaatum:
So, it's a bad thing to follows Jesus because one knows what one is following?

Would one not trust and have more faith in a God one knows than one whom one merely believes in?

Shouldn't you show were Jesus says you shd not believe in him but know him?

What happened to the Scriptures I posted? did you see them or you need mud rubbed in your eyes?

budaatum:
It seems to be a great concern of your's what buda does or says so go on and throw buda in Shepherd's hell and let us know who cares what you think.

Meanwhile, Jesus Christ the Messiah is Lord.

See how you're jumping all over the place? I didn't even know we are in this thread? What happened to the thread with this Op.

Gwwad, I hate dishonesty.

OnPointMan:
Jesus is Jesus. Did your own Bible say Jesus is Jehovah?

Yes my own says he is. Your own doesn't?

budaatum:
It seems to be a great concern of your's what buda does or says so go on and throw buda in Shepherd's hell and let us know who cares what you think.

You were an atheist who didn't believe in God. You said all.sorts of things against God. You supported your homosexuality, Go back and check, you'd never see me quoting or mentioning you, for what nah?
But when you claim you are for Christ and use the Word albeit wrongly, whether or not you like it, you are asking for a rebuke.

Buda, i'd not care if Buda will stop using Scriptures (the same ones he believes is propaganda) out of whatever he says here. I will not stand by and watch you falsify Scriptures because you feel you can. I can definitely not stop you from doing this, but as long as I'm here, any post you make with twisted-out-of- context- Word, I will call you out, except I didn't see it

budaatum:
Meanwhile, Jesus Christ the Messiah is Lord.

Even satan knows that and he trembles at the mere thought of it.

You didn't say what Jesus went to do in Egypt.

budaatum:
I forgot to inform you that while you're more concerned about getting into heaven I'm way too busy living on earth the best way I know.

Whatever you want Buda, Whatever you choose to do or be is what you shall be granted.

But, you seem to keep forgetting that this thread is not about who goes to heaven, you keep trying to shift the attention away from the Op. You came up with the Kingsom of God not me.

I have been about Believing in Jesus as a Christian in other to understand and then Know Christ better.

budaatum:
And no, it's not about the better person. That's you're concern, after all I'm not the one who opened a thread to compare and sow discord..

Buda dishonesty is not a virtue in Buddhism where I presume you belong. And it's far from being a virtue in Christianity. Christ hates liars in fact.

I opened this thread to find out from you how one can know Christ who is a Spirit without believing in Him first as you claim. I never assume or insinuate at anytime that I was better than you for I know the pitfall that is. This thread is here for folk to attest to this. But, your self importance will not led you hide your pride by insinuating and even openly calling me foolish, ignorant, saying I'm below you to understand what you type. As, if it's a contest. Life is not a contest Buda. what you are or know, Christ enabled you, but if you feel it's all by your effort, good for you.

Keep your pride aside and have a discussion knowing that people will read and learn from you, but no, you can't stop being haughty.

budaatum:
And please ignore me. I'm sure you believe it's like depriving me of air. Let's test it to see if buda drops down dead.

You are one tricky Human being I have encountered yet.
You not only want to distract and take me off my Op, you want to set me up against Jnr. You take me out of this thread to other threads which are not related to this. you call me names directly and indirectly hoping I will be upset and respond in kind. What can you not do?

Gossip is petty and queer on men. Stop it pls.

budaatum:
This is clearly way above your level of 'believing' Shepherd. Take it up with those who have time for you.

Yes, Buda, this is what I've been trying to tell you from the first page of this thread. You and I don't belong to the same level. For;
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1 Corinthians 1:27-28

You are far too knowledgeable to be a Christian, for Christ didn't come looking for people who and more intelligent than Him. He came for the meek and lowly. the teachable.


[b]Where is the wise 'Budaatum'? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world 'Budaatum'? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God (the world by wisdom knew not God,) it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them ~~~that believe.~~~

And, Buda, you failed Woefully as everyone has seen the fraud that you are. You cannot be a follower of Jesus if you are not a Christian, and you say you are not. So, mind your Buddhism or whatever you believe in, and stop summersaulting scriptures hoping you'd mislead someone. this sin is unpardonable.


~~~~ Thinking you're in heaven but you're living in hell. Time alone. Oh, time will tell, thinking you're in heaven but you're living hell ~~~~ Bob Marley.

Babacele:
You are a liar hence you are afraid to expose your lies. Let us go find out at my cost and come back to report to the world through Nairaland. I'm sure that is fair enough.

Will you believe or not?

You won't answer that. And, I'm waiting for your Dad's full details.

Babacele:
We are talking about your ' friend' . Suddenly you have developed a cold feet.

You called my Friend a lair then brought up your father making it seem like you are right and i'm wrong.

Baba, you want to proof that AMORC is harmless by posting some numbers without a name or more details about whose number those were.

Cele, if I'm wrong and you are right, then provide verifiable info about your ex-AMORC Dad.


It's established that there's nothing I will post here that you won't call it a lie. so, go on post yours Dad's so that wen I post my friend's, based on your Dad's the general public will know if I'm wrong or not.

You know what? I don't care, you choose your path, but keep Jesus of Nazareth out of your filthy darkness.

Babacele:
Mat.2:
1-12.
After Jesus was born in
Bethlehem in Judea, during the
time of King Herod, Magi[ a ] from
the east came to Jerusalem 2 and
asked, “Where is the one who has
been born king of the Jews? We
saw his star when it rose and
have come to worship him.”
3 When King Herod heard this he
was disturbed, and all Jerusalem
with him. 4 When he had called
together all the people’s chief
priests and teachers of the law, he
asked them where the Messiah
was to be born. 5 “In Bethlehem in
Judea,” they replied, “for this is
what the prophet has written:
6
“‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land
of Judah,
are by no means least among the
rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people
Israel.’[ b]”
7 Then Herod called the Magi
secretly and found out from them
the exact time the star had
appeared. 8 He sent them to
Bethlehem and said, “Go and
search carefully for the child. As
soon as you find him, report to
me, so that I too may go and
worship him.”
9 After they had heard the king,
they went on their way, and the
star they had seen when it rose
went ahead of them until it
stopped over the place where the
child was. 10 When they saw the
star, they were overjoyed. 11 On
coming to the house, they saw the
child with his mother Mary, and
they bowed down and worshiped
him. Then they opened their
treasures and presented him with
gifts of gold, frankincense and
myrrh. 12 And having been
warned in a dream not to go back
to Herod, they returned to their
country by another route.

I thought you'd show me where it says that they went straight following the Star which led them all the way from the East to Judea, to where the baby was.

Let me ask you again.

Why did the Magi go to Herod? They were Astrologers, they read their stars. A particular star pointed and led them to Bethlehem Juda

Could it be that they lost faith in their own star on reaching Judea?

Come to think of it, when the came out of the palace, there, was their star waiting for o them. The same Star still let them to their destination.

And, Oh, wait! Herod didn't know about the Child or where he was to be born until the Magi came.

You know what's funny? Instead of getting info from Herod, they supplied him with some and set in motion the swords that shd slay the child.

How ingenious of Satan to make it sound noble.

Oh, See how important the Child is, these old men came all the way from the east to worship Him, and see, they presented such beautiful gifts to the baby

Babacele, do know what Myrrh is used for? Apothecary. Yes, for embalmment.

Why will a man with good intentions give a new born Child an ointment used in embalming corpses?

See, we catch satan at every move.

BabyApple:
there are things you will understand and their are things you won't. It is beyond your knowledge bro.

A 53 years old man having with a 6yr old toddler is beyond my knowledge?

Maybe you mean it's beyond your knowledge.

It's insane, criminal and Muhammad's testicles shd have been cut off and fed to his Camels to eat.

OnPointMan:
Who told you Jesus is Jehovah? Why are you confused? Where are you getting that from?

He is not? Who then is he?

budaatum:
Somebody must be deceiving themself because according to jnr, who also believes and I assume, is born again, you are not entering any Kingdom.

Lolzzzzz. Buda, by their fruits you shall know them, not by what they say.

And, I'm not here to talk about Jnr, you can get into one of his threads and get it on with him. The next time you mention him here, I will ignore you. You are a gossip who tries to sow discord between people, and that is satanic.

Whatever Jnr says abt me, I read them, you don't need to keep mentioning him in our discussions. Do you know Jesus said will happen to gossips?

budaatum:
Is that perhaps because he does not believe enough jnr?

I don't gossip Buda, so will ignore this. And, Buda, why not talk about yourself, since you believe you a better somebody than everyone here who believes in Jesus, because you know and understand him, other than Believe?

This thread is about you not Jnr, stop being a bloody backbiter.

budaatum:
No, I don't think that Jesus was a Rosicrucian, since Rosicrucianism as 'a body' came into existence long after Christ.

Fair Enough.

budaatum:
But Christ did have some of what Rosicrucians now understand and teach, .

Buda, Christ is God, and yes His teachings permeates almost all Cultures and organizatios, but the ones which recognise Him and those who don't. So the Rosicrucians picking and using Christ's teachings is no big deal. Satanist the world over are doing it. How will satan successfully remain stealth if he does not employ the teachings of God, albeit twisted into half truths.

Why does he presented himself as an angel of light, if not to deceive and mislead?

budaatum:
like alchemy and Kabbalah, as understood from some of the things he said (enter the eye of a camel, born again, my blood and my flesh, ye are gods, etc), and it is recognition of this that makes one claim he would have been a Rosicrucian

I hope they understand that Jesus was speaking in Correspondence, not literally?

budaatum:
The truth however is that there is not in existence, and never has been in existence, any order sanctioned by the real Rosicrucians, and even today, once one truly understands what Rosicrucianism teaches, one actually would stop being a member of an "organisation" itself except to keep the flame burning on a hill so it might be seen by those who have had spat on mud rubbed in their eyes.

What you mean 'One will stop member of an 'Organisation?'. What organization do you mean?

budaatum:
That's why you'd find them to be the Adeboye's and co, those who have learnt the art of transmuting base metals into precious gold (making fishers of humans). Still, they have to shroud it in "Jesus is Lord", least you believers do what you usually do to Messiahs.

You can keep telling yourself that.

Satan has had you believe that he has the whole in his grip and everyone worshipping and Serving Jesus is actually serving him.

In your mind.

budaatum:
I don't expect you to understand any of this though since no one spat on mud and rubbed it in your eyes so you can see and know instead of just believing because you haven't seen so don't know.

You know Buda, I am not a devotee of an Egregore Jesus whom you people study like you study to know and understand your Buddhas. The Jesus of Nazareth I worship is a Spirit who told me that it's only in Believing in him can I understand and then know Him. And I do.

I wonder why you pretended like you didn't see the Scripture I posted, yet you come here to still raise this up. smh.

Who made mud and rubbed on your eyes, and what have you seen?

budaatum:
There is a reason Christ went to Egypt and nothing about his time there is revealed to you though (least you refuse to learn and understand but merely believe it

Christ went to Egypt, I can't find that in Scripture.

The Bible I believe in, (which you say it's propaganda), says, Herod tried to kill the new born Jesus, but an Angel asked Joseph to take the child and hid in Egypt. And the same Bible said, Not long after that Herod died and Joseph brought back the Child to Judea.

But, if you have information as to why Christ when to Egypt, when and what He did there, pls do tell, since you have all the knowledge.


And, Buda, I don't merely believe in Jesus like a fool.

If you believed the Bible, you'd understand the teachings of Jesus as He uses what is familiar to.teach what is not. Who wouldn't believe Him except that man is dead? (Spiritually).

And enough already of 'you merely believe'.You are sounding like a broken record. I hope you know that everyone reading us here knows that I never said I merely believe in Jesus as if His teachings are not a reflection of Nature around me.

I said, I begin by believing Who He Says He Is, By Believing what the Bible says about Him, then I understand by more study and then Knowledge, (which is Light or Enlightenment) comes.

You said We should not believe Jesus but understand and know Him. And shd not worship God for He didn't create us to worship Him. And i say it's a lie or that won't be Jesus of Nazareth.

There are many Jesus' though, with their pseudo-Jesus' teachings, just like the Rosicrucian Order.


Buda, I posted all the scriptures of Jesus saying we must believe in Him, pls tell me He didn't mean what the scriptures says.

budaatum:
Basically, he's stating which of us shall enter the KoG and which of us is going to hell Shepherd. I think while you'll be sitting to the right of God judging buda, he will be on the left judging you lol.

Which God will this be? Egregore Jesus or Jesus of Nazareth who says except a man be born again he cannot enter into His Kingdom.

Keep deceiving yourself Buda.

Babacele:
He was talking about your lies concerning the 3 wise men or astrologers that visited the baby Jesus but refused to cooperate with Herod.

You shd go back and read his post again.

Oh, they cooperated with Herod alright. Their mission was accomplished. They made Herod search from the books where the child should be born. What else were they to do?

You have no idea. Imagine you an Astrologer, is saying about Jesus because your lords visited him at birth?

Satan is crafty but we catch him. He has away of trying to twist everything to his side, but, he fails, woefully.


Jesus is God and God can never learn from men.

Enough said. Goodbye.

Babacele:
Who are the people AMORC has killed as you boldly claim? Why are you afraid to substantiate your claim? . I'm ready to sponsor a team to verify your claim and expose it here. I am serious.

What is your Father's name? Give all the details for verification.

Babacele:
Who are the people AMORC has killed as you boldly claim? Why are you afraid to substantiate your claim? . I'm ready to sponsor a team to verify your claim and expose it here. I am serious.

Will you believe if I tell you? The Rosicrucian who brought my in died mysteriously when he tried to leave, do you do it?

avalon7:
oga please answer this question. Will u give ur 6yr old daughter to a 53 yr old man to have sex with ??

I am a Christian. I think you shd direct that question to a Muslim there marry toddlers. Muhammad their lord married a toddler @ 6, so ask them

Babacele:
Jesus had more than12 disciples even in the Bible . e.g Joseph Arimathea, John 19: 38.

Jesus had 12Apoatles and innumerable disciples.

MiddleDimension:
it depends on the light you ''put on a lampstand''. if you take your light to the room where films are washed, you will kust spoil the films!

Oga dimension, the light Jesus Christ meant is not electricity or an oil lamp. It talks about knowledge. Enlightenment. The same knowledge you claim you have but hide it.

MiddleDimension:
also your jesus did not put all lights out there. hear him in HIS OWN WORDS: ...to you have been given the keys to knowing the mysteries of the kingdom of god...but no to them. SO THAT THEY WOULD LISTEN AND LISTEN AND WON'T UNDERSTAND

Who do you think He was referring to?
Matthew 13:14-15 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
MiddleDimension Why?

For these people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Did Jesus say the gospel hid that is why those people won't understand? No.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Why?

[b]In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4

You call Him 'Your Jesus', meaning He is ours and not yours, how can you then understand Him?

MiddleDimension:
he said this when he was asked by the apostles why he spoke only in parables and allegories. he DELIBERATELY hid the teachings from them.

Are you certain of this? because people like you have always been there, hearing but not believing. Like the Pharisees, your mind is already made up.

Your type were there, the so called enlightened men. Babacele proudly mentioned men of renown who are Rosicrucians yet, Jesus left them and picked the scum of the earth. Fishermen, Shepherds, low-born with no name. You know why?

You are proud, believing that you know more than everyone else, so are better than all. That is SELF, Pride is the Evil spirit and the Lord resists the proud.
And, am I surprised? No. This is what you stand for;

To cause you to engage in introspection, that is, to turn your consciousness within, to look upon yourself;
Depending on yourself instead of God?

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

To engender within you a feeling of aspiration and idealism; and exact from you a sacred obligation or promise which you make to yourself that you will try to fulfill your aspirations.
SELF and More SELF.

Jesus resists the proud, this is why He spoke to your kind in parables. Your type are the ones He meant when He said 'Cast not your pearls to swines'.

MiddleDimension:
he also took his disciples out to the mountain and told 8 of them to stay behind. he went ahead with 3 of them and at that point, he got transfigured and two people who had died, came speaking with him, Moses and Elijah. and then he ORDERED them not to tell what they had seen to anyone else including the other disciples, until he had risen again!

Have you head of self exultation? That was to teach us humility. Do not raise higher than you ought.

MiddleDimension:
joseph of arimathea is called a disciple of Jesus, though A SECRET ONE!

And this permits our secret activities in AMORC?

My pastor keep saying that very high placed Political Alhajis go to him secretly for prayers and most pay tithes to him, why is that? It started like this. So, does it mean these Alhajis are in a secret Cult with my pastor?
Guy, the straws are gone, what will you be grabbing now?

MiddleDimension:
He also ate the last supper with his disciples in SECRET. Luke 22 from vs7.

Wow, that most be some very big secret with 12 men present. And here we are reading abt it in almost all the languages of the earth. lolzzzzz.

MiddleDimension:
pay attention to the manner the disciples located the place where the prepared the passover, how the owner of the house took them to an already furnished room upstairs, and how the came in probably one by one or in twos with jesus ''finally taking his seat among the disciples'', and he announced: i have always wanted to eat the meal with them...
but no, you will still say that jesus did all his things in the open.

And how did you know all these? Oh wait!!!!!! It's written in a Book that has been translated and is still being translated into all the languages so that those who can read can see it.

Is this how you hide secrets in AMORC? lolzzzzzzzzzz.

MiddleDimension:
if i asked you how many disciples jesus had, you pribably won't have a correct answer without doing a google search.

Do you mean Apostles? He had 12. shd I name them? His disciples are innumerable. I I'm one of them and you can be too if you repent.

MiddleDimension:
you guys should kust shut it and go and sleep!

You tried, but, guy, this is very lame.

fratermathy:
Jesus was not a member of AMORC as AMORC is just one of the modern paths of Rosicrucianism. Jesus was influenced by Rosicrucian ideals. That is my opinion in this.

Are you implying Jesus who is Jehovah was influenced by the teachings of Men? Boy!!!!! This is something. Pls, I need to reach the pre-Jesus teachings of the Rosicrucian Order to enlighten me further on this.

All I see is the Rosicrucians adopting the teachings of Jesus to make a base for their organization.

Babacele:
for posterity sir.

Yes for posterity. So that people who believed your lies in the passed will see clearly that you are a lair and those who are confused can be redirected.

MiddleDimension:
why babacele keeps responding to his post is what i do not know. even his christian brothers i called up here are so embarrased about his understanding and interpretation of the visit of the maggis to jesus, that they could not even try to comment when i called them to.

I'm yet to see any of my Christian Brothers. Budaatum said he is not a Christian. So who are my Christian Brothers?

A Christian who says Jesus was a member of AMORC. You and that Christian are high on air.

budaatum:
People do leave AMORC. Once you stop paying your annual dues you are considered left and no one will kill you. My father stopped paying dues when he was 68 and lived a further 31 years.

And he became a Christian and revealed what he did in AMORC okwaya?
If I stop going to church, Stop paying tithes (Which is dues) but will not lie to my neighbor, cheat my neighbor, kill my neighbor, destroy anything that belongs to my neighbor. I give to help the needy and i'm always available to listen, counsel and cheer people around me, have I left Christ?

Now, I understand your version of Christianity.

budaatum:
I'd go even further and claim that though they leave, they do not abandon all they've learnt, which shows they value what they learnt in the organisation. I've posted a few of their books for those who wish to know rather than believe the nonsense they cook up in their head.

Mr man is the study of Astrology which is emended in AMORC godly? Since I am cooking nonsense in my head, tell me if God is okay with us going into sorcery?

Did you see babacele telling the tall lies about Jesus? Or, do you also believe Jesus was a Rosicrucian?

Answer Yes or No.

Babacele:
why are you afraid to substantiate your claims since you know. People join AMORC at will and leave at will. There are hundreds of folks who have left the school and are out there. In one breath you claim ex-members said and in the same breath you say there are no ex-members alive because the organisation killed them as there is no exit plan. What a claim! My own father with key number 8880301B ( fratermathy confirm please)left more than 25 years ago, and was hale and hearty without anybody or anything disturbing him. It was his unusual sincerity and clear thoughts about issues that attracted me to AMORC. Several eminent and not so eminent Nigerians and persons all over the world including scientists like Isaac Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Einstein ,madam Curie etc writers and literary giants like Shakespeare;politicians like G. Washington; Pastors, gardeners, artists, academicians,doctors,and other workers in other fields of human endeavours; folks from different religions ,class, gender and status have been, and are members of AMORC. Many left to other schools or for reasons best known to them and not even a complaint about being harassed or disturbed have we ever heard apart from your kind of lies that you are afraid to confront with evidence.

What is the relationship between Amorc and Islam ?

Name the members that wanted to leave and were killed with dates,places and their names . Why is that so difficult for you?

Mentioning those names makes AMORC less Occultic? Are you that daft? Who are the Occult people in the society if not the elite? You don see any poor man dey join occult?

You think mentioning pastors will proof that AMORC is good. Can any pastor who is in AMORC openly declare he is in AMORC? Why can't he?
since you say AMORC is a school, pastors who are/were medical doctors, teachers Architects, etc, are openly declaring who they are/were, why aren't they declaring their AMORC status?

Did you mention pastors to imply that God who is Jesus is in support of Astrology and Sorcery? Is that why you think a pastor will join AMORC?

What is the name of your father? his initiation details. Everything that proofs that he was indeed an AMORC and left. When he left did he became a Christian and confessed what AMORC is about or he just led his life?

Babacele:
if it is true that your friend who revealed the 'secrets' to you is a member , why cant you tell him to tell you his key number . You said 'AMORC kills ' and i said mention the people the organisation kills with date,place and names... very simple.

And yet you deny being Occultic and secretive. Why do I as a Christian need a secret key number?

And I said if no body leaves AMORC it's becos you kill those who want to leave. And I told you my friends senior friend who got him died mysteriously when he tried to leave.

If I give his name will you admit it? Won't you say it's a lie?

Babacele:
By their fruits ye shall know them.

So says the Lord.

Babacele:
1.John 7:3-4;
. 3 So his brothers2 said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4 For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.”
[/b]

Wait, this is the basis for AMORC's secretiveness?

Oga, when you pluck up Scriptures to use, remember I have a Bible too, so I can check out if you are taking them out of Context. Like you just did.

Why didn't you begin frome verse 1?
1John 7:1-4
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.
His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.

For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world

He relegated His ministry to Galilee, Why? The Jews sort to kill Him. Does this means He was secretive? Can you read these verses and say Jesus performed miracles in secret? Can you mention the miracles He performed in secret?

The miracles He performed was it on Bats or Owls which comes out only at Nights? Wasn't it on humans who work by day and sleep by Night?

How did Jesus' brothers know He was performing Miracles if He did them in secret?

Do your brothers who are not in AMORC know your activities?

Babacele:
All AMORC members family are aware of their folks activities like your folks are aware that you are student of a college . Many eventually join because of the wholesomeness that the member exudes. Most AMORC lessons are studied at home .

Why do you people hide to meet then? why aren't your meeting in the daylight where people can hear and see what you do? Why at mid-nights?

Why is AMORC so secretive?

Babacele:
AMORC does not meet in the dead of nights nor vigils , and all AMORC offices and buildings are registered, well known, public places. .[/b]
4you use words you do not know the meaning and have never experienced but only conjectures from your imaginations and warped mind. I put it to you ' what is a grotto?'

Really? Where are your offices in Nigeria, and can I walk in there, sit with you in your meetings like we do in Churches?

Babacele:
Since you are not aware, ' occultism means hidden or secret knowledge'. So what do you keep from 'dogs,pigs' so to speak, if not secret knowledge?

You mean like Lighting a Candle and hiding it under a bowl right?

Jesus sat openly and taught us, yet you quote Him wrongly to support your lies. You are of your father.

Babacele:
AMORC has never claimed to be holy as Christ refused to so called except the Father in heaven,

I need to see where Christ said he wasn't holy.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit but to you AMORC people HE is not Holy?

1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.. Who is it referred to here? Jesus who is the same as Jehovah. Do you even know that Mr AMORC man?
And, which spirit drives AMORC if it's not the Holy Spirit as you have rightly pointed out?

How many Spirits are out there?

Babacele:
however AMORC has sincerely to apply itself to helping mankind fight ignorance, and superstition.

You do that by hiding knowledge from the People abi ? You need to read what you are typing if it's making sense.

Babacele:
The several lists of eminent persons in different fields globally who have passed AMORC's portal , and who have left humanity better than they met it are a testament to what AMORC stands for
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Clap for yourself mr AMORC man.