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budaatum:
So your Jesus taught you to believe you must hate.
While my Jesus taught me to Love. I'll stick with mine. You stick with your's. You hate. I'll love.

See how you twist what he said? Wow Buda. Fruits Buda, Fruits.
Thou shall not bare false witness against thy neighbor Buda.

You're implying he said Jesus told him to hate when what he means is, Jesus is against ecumenism. Chai

Uyi168:
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Keep consoling urself...
So much For divine protection...

Divine protection is effective until it's time to go. Sorry, it's a terrible thought for you, not knowing for sure what awaits you beyond the grave. It can be very terrifying I know.

I am free, I don't fear death, why? because I know that there's no death really, only breaking free from pain and shackles. Actually dying out of this flesh is liberating, it's being set free, like a bird out of a cage. this flesh is limiting

Guy, try your best to keep consoling yourself with the thought that when you close your eyes in death, it ends there.
Hahahahahahaha HahahahHa.
Make sure it is so, beyond every reasonable doubt. because, if it's not, boy you will remember this day and wish you had listened. It won't be long now.

Take 90 years and add to your yrs today, pray you don't die in an accident, pray no terminal decease gets you, pray no armed robber shuts you, pray no ritual killer targets you. pray depression doesn't push you into suicide. Live well and prospers for very soon, you shall stand face to face with death then you remember today. You'd remember you told, but you felt you were too intelligent to believe a God could exist.

budaatum:
"Grace and truth" in one's own conduct, and not in behaving like a jackass while policing that of others.

Have you met Shepherd?

Shepherd00, meet one you share reasoning with.

Yes, I am met him.

Uyi168:
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Ad hominem everywhere...
Why not post ur own pictures, let's assess u?...

Turn around and try grabbing your shadow, when you do, come I will show you how I look.

budaatum:
Is "touched" the only sense you have? Pray that the Lord give you more senses and you too might 'feel' the Lord God Almighty in you Shepherd.

Okay, Buda, tell me some ways we can sense Jehovah since you know we can know and Understand Him with our SENSES.

budaatum:
Yes, apparently.

'Yes, and apparently' side by side? Really? 'Yes' means absolute, and ''apparently'' means 'likely' How do you reconcile that?

budaatum:
It was spiritual fruits that the pagan worshipping non-believing not born again nor regenerated unbaptized but doing good and shewing mercy Samaritan produced that made Jesus say, "Go and produce fruit likewise".

And Jesus said the Samaritan was a 'pagan worshipping non-believing not born again nor regenerated unbaptized' person or you added that for good measure? YOU FORGET OR DELIBERATELY are Ignorant of the fact that no demon worshipper can be selfless.
Was it not the same Samaria that Jesus asked a woman to give Him, a Jew water to drink? What did the woman say? Our Fathers use to worship God (which God?) in this mountain, but you Jews say we must go to Jerusalem.
Buda, have you seen that the Samaritans knew and believe Jesus/Jehovah, even though they were Samaritans?

Buda, Jesus was teaching against self righteousness which has no bearing in this thread. Pls note that Selflessness without any motive of gaining anything in return is of God, not of satan and his worshippers.

ungodly people are greedy, courteous, and selfish. An ungodly devil worshiper will rob the wounded not help him.
Stop taking scriptures out of context, only those with the intent to mislead does that.

budaatum:
But you've shown your inability to understand that I suppose, since you are too busy believing what of scripture you remember. Yet here is a person who is 'born again' and assumes to be 'righteous' believing as you claim that Scripture is God's Word, that Jesus is God and that He died for his sins etc, yet you claim is not of Christ. Is this not because you are finding that what you choose to believe in your head is not what makes you righteous before the Lord?

I believe that he that is born again and called of God speaks the word of God not stand against it.

Like I said, Jesusjnr may be confused now but if he allows himself to receive divine guidance, he will be fine, but, believe me, he is still far better than you. He believes in Jesus but you don't.

What I choose to believe in my head? You mean me believing the Word of God is in my head? You are a funny Guy Buda.

budaatum:
As to "how can". I plead God's Grace, like I have for Paul and I since it's not by our doing, though if pushed I'd say by knowing Jesus Christ and understanding how it it that He saved us and by producing abundant fruit in our worship of him which shows that we have been saved.

You should begin by telling me how you know he even existed and that he saved you. How do you know you are saved? You look different from how you looked like before abi? Tell me, how did you know what spirit spiritual fruits were and how to produce them wirhout first believing as He said you shd? you know you will evade this too

I thought you said God didn't create us to worship Him? Are you taking back your words?

budaatum:
I think I'm going to have to wait for you to mature Shepherd. When you do, you will understand what God used you for in this thread and you will confess it with your own tongue. That's a promise.

I think I'm going to wait for you to post me scriptures of Jesus telling you to know and understand Him, when you do you will realize that you cannot fuse New Age beliefs with Jesus'. And you will confess (If pride will let you) with your own mouth that you've been wrong from the start.

Okay Buda, it's time to proof scriptures wrong.

John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

John 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 5:46-47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 6:35-36

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.


John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 8:44-47 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

John 8:44-47 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, [Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

John 10:25-26 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Jesus' Sheep believes in Him

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.


John 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?


John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light

John 12:44, 46-47 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.


John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.


John 14:10-12 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

John 16:30-31 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?


John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

AND LASTLY
John 20:27, 29 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Buda, pls go ahead now and bring up scriptures that Jesus says we shd know him first instead of Believe Him.







Budaatum where are you?
Budaatum, you are suppose to be dismantling these scriptures o. Abeg no fear, come and tell the world what you have been insisting on from the beginning of this thread.

budaatum:
Who says "you can't feel him"?

Buda, you've touched Jehovah before?

budaatum:
Is it not true that those who can't feel God living in them is because God is not living in them, whether they believe or not?

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Buda, this is how I know that you can't feel Jehovah living in you. You only know by the Supernatural manifestations that takes place in you.

But, if you know otherwise, let me know pls.

budaatum:
The person referred to is an example of a believer whom you claim produces the wrong fruit. I'm now asking what went wrong there and showing you the incompleteness of believing without and knowing.

Why didn't you respond to.my comment abt this Buda? Did Jesus say His Church can ever die? What do you understand the believe I'm talking abt here to mean?
l know you evade this like always

budaatum:
A person may believe as much as they want, but as you yourselfers claimed, it is by the fruit that they produce - the evidence that we see - that the abundance of their heart is revealed. If their eye is dim their fruit also will be dim.

Buda, are you saying the Holy Spirit is wrong in telling Christians to believe in Him?

budaatum:
And we can tell God dwells in a being by the fruits they produce and not by how strongly they believe their beliefs because we will see their whole being is full of light. .

We can never be on the same page abt this. i see that. You try to.fuse New Age with Christianity and you are resolute abt it. But, that is not how it works here.

This is not abt fruits bearing, it's abt how we walk with Jehovah, Buda. We'll never walk with Him if we don't believe what He says and does what tells us to do.

budaatum:
Their understanding and knowing is what makes them produce an abundance of good fruit and so that they light up the world around them with the Jesus that is within them

You mean someone can encounter Jesus today and know and understand him straight up?

budaatum:
The only thing left to determine would be whether God cares more about beliefs than the abundance of the fruits of the heart.

Yes God cares more about His people believing in Him.

Now, I see you craftily trying to bring in 'beliefs', instead of believe. One can only produce fruits of the Spirit if one believes that there's anything like the fruits of the Spirit in the first place.

Will a stack atheist know anything abt the fruits of the Spirit? How can he? Except he firsts accepts Christ as who the Bible says He is, and believe the Word to be true and do what it says to do by faith?

You try to walk with Jesus wirhout Faith sir?, Good luck with that.

Do you even know what the Lord means by he looks at the heart not outward appearances?

He is talking about Eye service. Man pleasing in service. He is not talking against people living good and comfortable lives.

This is world is exactly what it would ve been without the absence of Sin.

God created everything, everything for Man to enjoy.

Where can I download it?

budaatum:
Tell me what you think of his thread.

I think he is confused.

budaatum:
No Shepherd. You did!

I know he might not understand what Christ's Church is but does "believe", the sole requirement you've insisted on in this thread of your's, he is after all quoting what he believes.

He doesn't know what Christ's Church is, but believe what? . That the Church is dead? Is there anywhere in scripture where it is stated that the Church can die? Is that believing in the Word of God as I have insisted?

budaatum:
And I'm absolutely certain he is 'righteous' and 'born again',

Good for you.

budaatum:
so I think he more than qualifies to "enter the Kingdom of God", as you believe, despite what he says and does.

If you think by believing in anything whether or not it aligns with what Jesus teaches qualifies someone to enter into the Kingdom of God, well, Good for you.

I never said just by believing anything, gives one access to the Kingdom of God. I said Believing in God, His Words and what it says about Him.
I'm quite sure that Apostle Paul was called of Christ, but he opened a thread calling Apst Paul a fraud. Does that align with the Teaching of Scriptures?

budaatum:
Except you now add his fruits. As in that which one produces, which can be seen and measured and accessed and quantified as to its quality and amount and worth so one need not believe anymore but know.
Or what say you?

'One need not believe anymore?'. This seem like it begins with believing then to the point of knowing(?)

First off, no one can produce the fruits of the Spirit without the Spirit of God indwelling that person, that's why you see the person manifesting fleshyl fruits hoping they'd pass as spiritual fruits.

My case with you has been, how one can produce these fruits without believing that God is a person in essence, and that person/essence dwells in him, since he feels him not?

You insist that we ought not to believe, but know, and I say, how do you know God lives in you when you can't feel him?

I insist that first you believe what the Bible says, which is that God is who He says He is. The Bible say if we believe in Him, He will come to Us and make a home with us, by dwelling inside of us. We can't see Him, we can't feel Him, but we believe it's true, and walk thus.

It is in Believing these, that we begin to manifest the things we are told, which are the fruits of the Spirit.
Then you know for a fact that these things are so. It is at this point that no man can turn back again to say 'there's no God'. or that they have tested God and ve found out that there's no God.

That is why we keep saying, 'No one who knows God, can say, God does not exist'. That is because you Know Him.

Buda, Knowing God is the last stage of walking with God, while believing is the first.

sonmvayina:
Let's discuss.. State your reasons...

Is that you on your DP? You look like a teenager and too young to be as messed up as you are.

Boy, what will you do with the realities of life if you really face them? You are so damaged.

Where is your Op, or you don't know how to write and article?

You ought to tell us who Jesus is, who Alexander Fleming is. What they do, their similarities and dissimilarities, the allow us to compare and contrast.

So, go back and do a better job.

budaatum:
But he believes, Shepherd! Even that gays are going to hell like you do, and he quotes scripture. Why do you condemn him? Is he not 'born again' perhaps?

So you judge a born again Christian by their ability to quote the Bible, and who are homophobic?

Read his threads and see.

budaatum:
The person you argue who killed the church with.

By their fruits you shall know them. Out of the heart, the mouth speaks.


A born again Christian saying the Church of Jesus is dead? The Holy Spirit is still on earth, yet the Church is dead? That means he doesn't know who/what the Church is. Maybe he thinks the denomination he attends service is the Church.

Proffdada:

Same guy who refused to open the door for victims of hurricane Harvey


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/televangelist-joel-osteen-closes-16000-seat-houston-church-to-hurricane-victims/amp/

Don't defend wolves in sheep's clothing
Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees

https://www.mysterious-times.com/2018/08/11/the-shady-life-of-joel-osteen-find-out-why-he-had-to-hire-the-best-criminal-attorney-in-the-us/

Did you read what you posted? All, speculations. This is like coming from a Sanhedrin or a Pharisee writing about Jesus.

Na wa for Una oo.

EVILFOREST:
U have said it all.
Remain Blessed

You have no idea what demons are. You can't call demons up and nobody will be hurt. I pity her relatives and her generations unborn.

Proffdada:
Losers keep misinterpreting Christianity
And charlatans keep using Christianity as a money factory

Don't mind them.

But, why are they all talking about Christianity tho, isn't there Islam in Nigeria?

Satan hates the Church. These are his tricks, sending his agents in and out of the Church.

Uyi168:
... Lol.. Boko Haram and suicide bombers attack ur churches, members call on Jesus.. Nothing has ever happened..

Lol. because, life for us does not end here, but you believe your does.

Uyi168:
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U Christian can be very petty sha..
What have we achieved with the Jesus and the rest?

We have achieved alot. You are not willing and eating human flesh on the streets.

Uyi168:
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If this was true, Boko Haram would have long stopped attacking churches..

If it wasn't prophesied that the Church shall face even worse persecutions from satan, what you said, will make sense, but we already know that even worst persecution awaits true believers. Natoday satan start to burn Churches? The way Christianity has been resisted, they shd be very few Christians tody, but alas...

Revelation 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Only an Ignorant Christian will pray or wish for persecution to stop. Persecution is part and parcel of Christianity. It strengths our Faith and makes the Church grow triumphant. To the onlookers, it may seem like the enemy is winning, but he indeed is losing.

If the enemy stops fighting and killing us, we become complacent and die spiritually.

Well, I don't expect you to understand this, it's too high for you.

Isce:
It may not be her fault entirely; there are churches scattered all around, with many lacking the spiritual insight and devine knowledge in converting and nurturing such people into the Faith and be mountain mover for Christ as Saul in the NT.

Such pple, haven known much or little about satanic operation can be very effective in the kingdom of God, when effectively groomed.

She has never been a Christian before her return.

Imagine her in any white garment church claiming Christianity, and today she has gone back to her mamiwata worship which is not different from what she did in the so called church.

Na today?

Why is this important to the Public?

budaatum:
But he believes, Shepherd! Even that gays are going to hell like you do, and he quotes scripture. Why do you condemn him? Is he not 'born again' perhaps?

Who?

These people see the devil in everything on earth.

How can keeping the Sabbath which God commanded becomes the mark of the beast?

Satan does not have the kind of power you a cord him. You are making satan powerful by giving him all these accolades.

LordReed:
You insignificant arsehole, was it not you who came to this thread to ease your miserable roach like existence? Projection much stupido?

Fūck you and the motherfūcking high horse you rode in on, dumbfūck christian hypocrite.

See how acidic you are. try not to choke on that Codeine, you waste of sperms.

Modecaih:
Thank God for Jesus,,God pls give me the grace never to be ashamed of the gospel of christ

When people talk about being ashamed of Jesus, I asked myself why I shd be ashamed of Jesus.

I and Jesus, who shd be ashamed of the other?

A sinful, weak and depraved person shd be ashamed of a sinless Holy, Almighty, All-sufficient God? This beats me, really.

jesusjnr2:
Jesus is history Himself, and by whom history is defined.

He's also the present and future.

Yes He is. Love Him, hate Him, that fact won't change.

This is my best part;

"And I find it a pity if other people lack this sense of security - although they don't know it, of course, because otherwise they would probably look for it."

There's no way to explain to anyone who doesn't know what having Christ inside of a person means.

May God bless his servant klopp.

OLAADEGBU:
If you ask her where she works and she tells you but you again retort that "I don't believe that either" and you carry on like that don't be surprised if you get a dirty slap.

Ola, you are helping that child drown his depression. He wakes and sleeps in Nairaland looking for someone who'd engage him so that he can keep busy by insulting his ancestors.

Ignore the kid.