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Babacele:
Shepherd00:

AMORC is a secret society. A deadly secret society that kills those who try to leave to keep them from revealing their secrets.








did you say this or not? So why is it difficult for you to substantiate your claim?

Did you say my friend never was a member of AMORC?

I asked you, do people leave AMORC or not? did you answer?

On this note, I put it to you that AMORC kills anyone who tries to leave to keep their secrets secret. But, alas, people still leave.

Babacele:
Which persons have AMORC harmed or killed? name them here please. You should state their names,place, and dates .

Will you believe it's true if I do? The man who got my friend into the cult died mysteriously shortly after he left and told my friend to leave too. He left and started attending church but was not committed to Christ, he was waffed out.

Do you remember me asking you if people never ever leave AMORC? Since you said my friend was never a member so was lying. I'm still waiting for that answer.

I said what that means then is that AMORC is a deadly fraternity which people only go in but not leave.

There's no organization where there are no ex-members why not AMORC.

Do people leave AMORC? Shd we believe what they tell us?

And you didn't answer this; since we shd not believe what those who have left say abt you, shd we get initiated to find out if what they say is true or not?

You acted like you haven't seen this question.


Of people leave God, who is satan that people won't leave him?

Islam cuts off the heads of those who leave, people still leave and wait for beheading. why not AMORC?

Babacele:
Was Christ not accused of operating in secrecy ?

Who accused Him of that? When I refer to Christ, I post scriptures, so pls, let me see who accused of Him of that.

Babacele:
Didn't Christ say we should pray in the secret of our homes so that God can bless us publicly?

Is this the basis for your secret dead of the night meetings, in undisclosed locations talking in whispers?

Jesus said pray in your closet to avoid hypocrisy, which is Man-pleasing and eye-service. If a man is praying in his room, will his wife see him or not?

When a Rosicrucian attends a Grotto, does his wife see him? except they all belong to the same cult, can he perform any rituals in her presence? Does he allow his children (except the one who is marked to replace him) touch his enchanted books or materials?

Truth teller, tell the truth.

Babacele:
Didn't he warn us not to give our ' precious' to swines?

Matt 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred or Holy; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Can you tell me how this translates to Occultism? What is Holy abt AMORC that you people keep secret?

I hope you know that Sacred is not the same thing as Secret?

Babacele:
Why did he employ parables ?

This is why; John 3:10-12 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe or understand not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Christ used what is familiar to teach what is not familiar. Got it?

Babacele:
Even in some healings ,He admonished those healed to just go unannounced. True or false?

All of these to convince yourself that Jesus was your fellow Rosicrucian? hahahahahahaha. You want consolation to remain in the Occult abi? try.

Christ in doing this taught us to avoid PRIDE, EXULTING SELF. Haughtiness, thinking of yourself higher than you shd.

How is this Occultic?

Budaatum, Jesus was a Rosicrucian abi?

Babacele:
From the beginning to the end ,you lie without conscience.

It's not enough to say I lied. Go ahead, pick out the lies one by one. trash them out and say the truth let's see.

Babacele:
In what book of the Bible or recorded history is your spurious claims about the 3 astrologers or Maggi's visit to the baby Christ and their devilish intentions documented?

In which of the Bible did you see the magicians went to visit baby Jesus?

Babacele:
The same astrologers that brought gifts,worshipped the baby and refused to cooperate with Herod?

Have you not heard? He is the head of AL Principalities and Powers. And, every Knee bows before Him. In Heaven, on earth and Beneath the earth (Hell).

Jesus is the Lord of all Spirits. Then worshipping Jesus is what they must do, but they had a motive.

If you were a sincere person I wld've asked you to ponder why the Astrologers abandoned the Star which led them all the way from Babylon or Persia (depending on what that region was called then) to Judea and went to Herod to ask where the Child was.
Afterwards, it was still their star that led them to the Child. Can't you sense any sinister ploy? Satan is so crafty, but we still catch him.

When he went to Jesus pretended he cared abt the welfare of Jesus, what was his ploy? Can you answer?

Babacele:
You must be high with your misconceptions ,bias and ignorance.

Yeah? Make sure not to forget to pick out my lies and treat them. One by One.

MiddleDimension:
i am curious @donnie @joagbaje @highered. what do you all make from this intepretation of the visit of the magicians to jesus coming from your fellow beliver?

I have given you an answer, but of course you won't believe it because you have already believed the satanic version.


So you by any Chance know Jesus is the HEAD OF ALL PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS? You said you were a Christian right? you shd know, so tell me, what does it mean?

Babacele:
Why is it difficult for you to name the people you claimed were killed with dates,places and their key numbers? Everyday I would remind you.

Until you point to me where I said people were killed. And even that is the case, won't you deny and get your fingers burnt?

Here you are denying that AMORC is not s secret Cult, I expect you to admit that you guys do blood sacrifice? O boy go find place Sidon.

budaatum:
I have no time for you either since there's no point discussing with a person who believes his own crap and refuses to learn and know. I'm trying to convince the authors of this thread not to bother with you neither as your ploy is just to distract them from continuing revealing what you call secrets.

Yeah you do that oh ye defender of iniquity.

Excaperx:
Wow

If the man was to hate Muslims, he would have been dead. Because of their terrorists nature.

It's funny how atheist don't hate Muslims that bomb but hate Christians that believe in God and love each other

They can't hate muslims because that wld be a house dividing against itself.

budaatum:
Secret? In a thread where the op says "ask any questions?"

Op, you don die yet?

I'm not in the mood for you this evening Biko.

How do they expect outsiders to know what AMORC is really abt when everything abt is clandestine? The few that people know base on what those who left the fraternity said, they claim are lies.

Welcome to defend darkness which you are very good at.

Babacele:
you just insinuate your ignorance as truths. In as much as Christ went public ,he knew and displayed the law of secrecy ( which doesn't connote evil) to deliver His messages. It is this law he was referring to when he said we should NOT share our precious with ' swines' or the unworthy less they trample on them. So exactly what are you saying?

Wow, You guys are good. You shd be proud at how well you pick from the Bible to confirm your satanic teaching.

Pls explain in details how what the Lord said there was a law of secrecy.

Babacele:
You said lusts for materials stuff attracts and I said was it what made Satan have access to Christ too? So it was God again through the spirit that took Christ to the Devil to be tested? Just like Job? So God is working with the Devil?

Your point?

What has this got to do with Rosicrucian being an Occultic Fraternity? Or you want to claim Jehovah is Occultic for allow His people be tempted by satan?

You are very clever by trying to turn the discussion away from the main point.


AMORC is a secret society. A deadly secret society that kills those who try to leave to keep them from revealing their secrets.

Bia Nnamdi, no keep me in suspense o. Come kontinu

lepasharon:
And that doesn't sound a paganistic ritual to you?

No, it doesn't, and it's not, because it was actually grape fruits he drank and dough which was baked in the oven. That is what we we eat and drink too

It's all Correspondence (a type) which no matter how I try, you won't understand.

Now answer me, Can you give your 6yrs old daughter to a 53yrs man to have sex with?

BabyApple:
Thank you for your Question my brother. Whenever Muslim pray ( Solat ).. We are not allow to recite anything order than what is in the Holy Quran.. As high as the prophet is.. You dare not recite a single line of his hadith when you are praying. So we dont including him when we are praying. Even during supplication we were thought to supplicate with '' Lahila ilala ''..

@enilove pls help me here with this moslem. I know you were a Muslim. Allah to a moslem seem to stand at par with Muhammad, but this person here says it's not so.

dxpen6ivofficial:
come for private lectures then, you have a long way to go

You are so dense

Babacele:
But you can lie with their claims in a faceless forum?

If you insist that I lied, then admit that AMORC is a one way fraternity with only entrance but no exit? True?
You don't believe people leave AMORC?

Babacele:
All the long long epistle you quoted is useless as you fail to show Jesus activities before age 12 and up to 30 before he started His ministry. At what age did he leave Egypt?

Lolzz, you saw that I quoted long long epistles but you didn't read in those useless epistles what I quoted. If you did, you'd ve gotten your answers.

Babacele:
You jump up and down mentioning stuff you know nothing about. So son of a peasant couldn't have gone to school because of the poverty of Joseph?

I asked you a question which you jumped over. If Jesus went to school, wouldn't his immediate contemporaries know? The people who knew said he was a Carpenter, but Occultic Tibetans said he studies Sorcery, whose account is likely to be true?

Babacele:
Do you know the arrangement awaiting His birth? E.g the visit by the 3 wise men or astrologers.

You mean the visit by your Occultic grand Masters? Yes, I can tell you.

In Eden after the fall, A prophecy came that Satan's head shall be crushed by the Seed of the Woman. Satan from then began gathering hordes to watch and try to thwart it. He tried to contaminate the gene pole in the days of Noah by sending his demons to have sex with humans, he failed.

He followed prophecies closely. Daniel was in Babylon where Magic and Sorcery ruled the Kingdom. He had his visitations there, he wrote his encounters down. While the Israelites left, those parchments were left in the hands of the sorcerers who were on assignment. They read them and knew it will happen some day and kept watching their stars until it happened.

When they saw the star that Jesus was born, they followed the star to Judea, on getting to Judea, they stopped following the Star which led them all the way from the east and went to see one of their own satanic agents, Herod.

Jesus was out of their reach so they needed someone who could do it for them. They reported to Herod the birth of Jesus, Herod didn't even know where the child was.

The Maggie's motive was to steer Herod against the child which they did.

Outside, the Star they abandoned was still there, it was the same Star which led them to the Child. Why didn't they follow the star straight to the Child?

On seeing the Child, they pretended to present gifts, of which one was for his burial rite.

To the on lookers, great men came to worship Jesus, but the real motive was to move Herod to kill the Child to keep Him from crushing Satan's head.

Satan knew what Jesus was to do to him which He has down. Cast him down into the deepest parts of hell.

Anytime someone calls you guys out, you quickly run to making a case against God. If you fight against God, who wld you be fighting for?

Babacele:
You know nothing. Fratermathy challenged you to bring the person with his key number, and we shall be glad to engage the person here.

I shd bring the Person to Nairaland faceless forum. Is that an excuse?

How will you know it's me will be engaging?

Babacele:
so it was because of Jesus lusts that the Satan visited him after 40 days and night? So It wasn't with God's permission that Satan killed Jobs household ,destroyed his properties and afflicted him with diseases?

You know, I have dealing with people like you for years.

Here. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
Matt 4:1

Jesus was meant to be tempted. And I didn't say
temptation in itself is a sin, what is a sin is taking the bait thrown at you by satan. Just like Eve.

Did you miss the materialism versus Love part?

Shd I repeat myself?

BabyApple:
My brother what do you want to do with is lineage or ancestor ? He has been sent with a clear message. Worship God alone. He never call people to come and worship him. This your argument is baseless.

If you worship allah alone, why does Muhammad come up in your prayers more than allah does?


Can you serve allah allah without Muhammad?

lepasharon:
He told others to eat his flesh and drink his blood do YOU have any idea of What HE he is saying??

Yes, He ate his flesh and drank his blood and we are eating his flesh and are drinking his blood.
now can you tell me if you can give your 6yrs old daughter to a 53yrs man to have sex with?

LordReed:
Keep mentioning me you jobless hypocrite of a roach.

You are as relevant as a louse on a dog. Shadowcat

Babacele:
I was asking you to verify the claims by your " former member" friends.

How am I to do that in a faceless forum? Shd I pull him to Nairaland? Will you believe him? Have you ever believed anyone who had left and what they said made them to leave?

Babacele:
How could I expect you prove that Christ was schooled when you dnt know?

And you know, yeah? So, it shouldn't be hard for you to post his results, year of graduation and fellow class mates.

Babacele:
When did he come back from Egypt after he was taken away from Herods?

Read and fight with yourself.

Matt 2:19-21
After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt

and said, "Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child's life are dead.

So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.

Shey children carried by their parents study sorcery in the Rosicrucian Order?

Babacele:
What was he doing between between age 12 when he appeared at the Temple and age 30 before he began His ministry? What do you mean sorcery from Egypt?

Where do you think He was if not cutting and nailing wood like Joseph His father?

Mark 6:1
Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples.

6:2When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. "Where did this man get these things?" they asked. "What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles!

6:3Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him

.6:4Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

Did you see that He went to his village? Amongst those who knew him through and through, those whom He played street soccer with.

If he took a eighteen years sabbatical to go study in Egypt instead of cutting and nailing wood, wouldn't these folk know? Why will they call an elite a Carpenter?

Becos they knew he was a Carpenter. Not a son of some Pharisee or Centurion who could afford to send their children to school amongst the elite in Egypt.

You have been told that Jesus studied sorcery in Egypt and you believed without asking yourself how Joseph could afford the means as a refugee hiding from the king to send his son to school that high in those days?

As you watch Harry Potter, you saw that those students were children of the peasant commoners right?

In those days, only the children of the high lords go to school sir, Was Joseph a high Lord?

Between the Jews whom Jesus grew up with and the Tibethan Rosicrucians who wld know Jesus better?

fratermathy:
Too much ignorance in one fell swoop of a post. I won't even bother taking you up on your ignorance. Believe what you want. It is your choice to be ignorant and as long as it is your choice, there's nothing anyone can say here to change that. Ignorance by happenstance is easier to address. Ignorance by choice is a problem and until you rid yourself of that virus, nothing in this life will make sense to you other than your delusions and convictions of life. Have a nice day. Pp.

Are you still here? Go away already.

You think by calling me ignorant repeatedly will make me ignorant? hahahahahahaha. A man groping in darkness is calling he who follows Jesus Christ The Light Ignorant.

Sir, you have no idea how much life makes sense to me, so carry your sorcery and move to the corner where you are needed.

You demon worshippers have been claiming higher knowledge from time, yet when real knowledge appears you hold up your noses like it stings.

In Egypt the Magicians/sorcerers and Necromancers claimed they were the wise men, when their Pharaoh, ordinary dream they couldn't interpret. Before Moses Jeans and Jamberes failed woefully in their knowledge of Magic.


But for teenage Daniel in Babylon, all your knowledgeable lords would be killed because they lacked the so much knowledge you are screaming abt.

Aren't these your grand masters whom you draw inspiration from?

fratermathy:
If we should base our facts on anecdotes, no gathering, school, religion, family and even individual can survive the brunt of people's active imaginations on things they know nothing about or things they do not understand. Here's a general guide to verifying these stories.

So, the encounters of the former members of AMORC are anecdotes? That's why I asked if one must be an initiate to know the Truth, or it means no one has ever come out of AMORC alive to tell what is happening in the cover of the night when you guys meet?

fratermathy:
The so-called former members should give you their key numbers to prove membership, they should possibly show you membership materials as proof and then, and only then, can you begin to possibly believe their tales

How do you know they haven't?

fratermathy:
Anyone can entertain any audience with tall tales. I've heard my own fair share of them.

So you say.

fratermathy:
Again, I do not intend to engage you in a futile battle of words as your ignorance is conscious and self-inflicted and you obviously do not truly want to know the truth. This post is actually for those who are deserving of my response, not you.

Lolzz, this is your own way of bowing out. You won't know the truth if He Smacked you on the face.

Good bye.

Babacele:
You could be defining magic or anything else there but not occultism.

Beautiful! so Satan has direct access to God talkless of taking permission to go try folks. Why couldn't God just totally 'remove' Satan once and for all rather than allowing him unfettered access to man? So it is God that send Satan to afflict man? That is just a simple mysticism in Christianity and not occultism.

So this is mysticism to you?

I asked you if you knew what the Sovereignty of God means. Pls answer me.

No one can ask God to do anything, He is God and who said satan has unrestricted access to man?
Sagan has access to you by your lusts for his things.

If satan has unfettered access to all men, no man will be alive today talk less of serving God.

Why was not able to afflict Job in the first place? Was it not because there was a hedge around Job and everything he owned?

You brought up Job's case yet you know nothing abt it?

Satan claimed without material blessings Job won't love God, thus, God said, remove the things and see.

When the loss of material things didn't sway Job, satan opted to afflict Job. So was God who afflicted Job?

God didn't afflict Job or send satan to., He only wanted satan to see that Love is more powerful than Money or wealth

Babacele:
A truth seeker would always find out truth absolutely from any 2 parties before judging or reaching conclusions. I'm challenging you to bring the former students here on NL . No he didn't go to school at all. Neither did Jesus eat at all ,nor play nor cry, sleep neither did he pray nor speek Greek. He was not even taken to Egypt for safekeep from Hero. No he showed no human traits at all. It was all magic and supernatural from the beginning. I could have been wasting my time.

Hahahahahahaha. Guy, this is very lame. You claimed Jesus went to school and graduated from the Rosicrucian Order and I said proof it. How can you ask me to proof something I never claimed?

I bring which former students? Did I Claim any body went to school? what the hell?
Bros, I know Jesus never wen to school you why?

He was from Nazareth and lived there till he was 30. So he had neighbors, whose children he played with. They went to the same Synagogue. He worked wood for the people.

If he had gone to school they wld know. But they knew he didn't hence were surprised and some were angry that he whom they knew so well could stand before them and declare he was God. He was killed for that purpose.

Jn 7:15-16
The Jews were amazed and asked, "How did this man get such learning without having studied?

Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.

Babacele, who was the leader of the Rosicrucian then who must have sent Jesus to teach?

PLE NOTE, these weren't his disciples talking. Even at this point his own siblings didn't believe in who he said he was, of course they too were surprised as he knew so much hence mocked him.

Jn 7:3-5
Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do.

No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.

For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

Lolzzzzz at Jesus' brothers.

See? who do you think will know Jesus better? His brothers. Don't you think if Jesus studied sorcery in Egypt his brothers will use it to taunt for showing off?

It will be laughable if you try to pass off your claims of Jesus studying sorcery because he was born as human and subjected to humanity.

Not every Child today who was born, pood, ate, drank cried, slept or even died went to school. So pls bring another scam.

lepasharon:
No they don't, but they want others to drink their blood while they drink others

But Jesus ate his flesh and drank his blood. Do you have an idea of what you are saying?

MiddleDimension:
long long ago when i was a christian, i have learnt to take not very seriously those who are quick to say that ''they know what they are saying BECAUSE THEY WERE ONCE A MEMBER, OR THAT THEY KNOW SOMEONE THERE WHO WAS ONCE A MEMBER''. they usually say this because they want others to think that what they are saying is authoritative; but in the end, you find out that they know next to nothing about the organization they claim to be once part of. they also cime off as people who were just passive memebers.

You mean as you are now claiming you were once a Christian? Can you share your conversion encounter for us to know that indeed you encountered Jesus before you left?

The Rosicrucians who came out and relayed their encounters have stories to tell and why they decided to leave.

So, tell us your encounter with Christ. Asin, What convinced you in the first place that Jesus was who he said he was, and what later changed your mind to take to sorcery.

MiddleDimension:
i give you qn example: a person who was once a catholic and now become of a different denomination, will come back and then tell you ''look, i was once a catholic and i know that their teachings are not biblical, and where exactly are you going to find the hail mary in the bible?

Just like you were a Christian who is now an Occult trying to tell the world that Christianity is wrong but AMORC is the way right?

MiddleDimension:
just in case alot of people here are pentecostals who do not trust the catholics as true christians, and say: hmm, look at the example he is bringing up; the catholics are just as anti-christ like the esoteric organizations; i would say the same thing can be seen even among the pentecostals today!

When people who claim to be Christians talk the way you do, I begin to understand why they left the Church in the first place. Why shd I be talking about any denomination when I have the Bible open in front of me?

See, why you guys go off and fall into Satan's hands? You never knew Jesus for yourself, you remained at the level of my Church and my pastor of priest said. No one can encounter Jesus and seek satan.

Today you are in Esoteric organization and you are Jesus was their member and you believe. If they present Egregore Jesus to you, you won't know the difference before you never knew Jesus of Nazareth.

MiddleDimension:
daddy freeze use to be a member of House On The Rock, and he has even paid tithe before. today, he criticises tithe.
the point is that someone was in a place doesn't mean they know what that place is all about! and most times, these are the people who are very quick to say ''i was once a member...'', just to make you think they are talking authoritatively.

This goes for you who claim you were a Christian but never was.

MiddleDimension:
there are once members of winners who now go on saying all sorts of nonsense against winners today. the same goes for redeemed, christ embassy, and any other church out there.
it is the same for the rosicrucuan order and many other similar organization too.
another thing: know a thing correctly before you try to have an opinion on that thing.

The Bible and Jesus' instructions on how to live for Him are open and available for all to see, but if anyone veers off, it is seen glaringly. But, the Rosicrucians Order and all the Esoteric organizations are dead secret, even those who have left speaks in murmurs about their activities how then can the world know that what you claim here is true?

Why do you hide?

MiddleDimension:
i was chatting with someone with whom i was a brother. i asked him about the rosicrucian order and he told me that they are a satanic organization who only looks out to implement satan's plans on earth. when i pressed further to know if he actually knows AMORC, he said: they are a freethinking people who are like the grail message, ogboni, and the ROSICRUCIANS.
at that point, i busted into laughter as i replied: AMORC IS NOT LIKE THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER, THEY ARE THE ROSICRUCIAN ORDER. if you don't know a fundamental thing as the name of an organization, how then do you want me to take you seriously when you try to have any kind of opinion whatsoever on that organization?

So he mixed that up does not mean he was wrong.
Satan has many faces but in essence, he is just him and his agenda is to turn men away from Christ just like the succeeded with you. And today you have become an evangelist for him.
Today, you believe that Jesus who is Jehovah manifested was a member of the Rosicrucian. See how grave your situation is?

MiddleDimension:
i have gone through materials of the rosicrucian order, and i have known and lived with their members all my life. you know those kind of people you call innocent? those are the kind of people the rosicrucians i know are.

How then did you become a Christian since you have lived the the Rosicrucians all your life?

Oga, no one is innocent in this world, except those who are washed by the blood of Jesus.

Does your Egregore Jesus spare his blood for you his fellow students?

Babacele:
which members,which accounts? does Amorc look all these fake churches where pastors trade in human parts to deceive folks like you? AMORC is a school ,and one of the graduates is Jesus Christ whom you worship. Isn't it a sin to talk about what you don't know?

Lolzzzzz. So God graduated from your earthly school? You must be proud.

He must have written some exams, can we see his exams scripts?
The year he graduates, pls can I see your year book? I need to see how my Master looks on a convocation gown.

BTW, you didn't answer me. Shd I disregard the Testimonies of your former students but shd come in and see for myself before I can believe?

Babacele:
What is occultism? Let me give a simple assignment ,

It is the belief, study and harnessing of the supernatural or paranormal powers, for the purpose of controlling their world.

Babacele:
though: Satan taking permission from God to try Job , can you explain that?

What is occultic abt this? So because God granted audience to Lucifer God became an Occult?

Man, have you ever heard of the Sovereignty of God?

And do you know what unconditional love means?

God did that to proof to satan that Job's love for Him wasn't predicated on the material things he possessed. Whether or not Job had those things he wld still love and serve God. But satan feels the only way a man can love his master is only if that master gives out material things to his servants. That is why everyone who runs to satan is promised things and receives them.

Without material things no one will serve satan. But, Jehovah proofed to satan that that was not the case with His servants.

I serve God in good and bad situations. hungry or full, sheltered or destitute, in sickness and in health.

This was a mystery to satan, hence he asked to afflict Job to see if it was true.


Anything else?

MiddleDimension:
have you ever seen any rosicrucian come to your door to tell you to come join them before? but of course we understand. if jesus were to be among you today, you will still be the ones to crucify him.

Satan has always hidden who and what he is. How can he publicly evangelize himself? That's why you guys use para-religious paraphernalia to put up a front like you are good.

If the Rosicrucians can walk from door to door telling people to become their members, then they must be ready to reveal their secret activities to the entire world unrestricted. But, alas, they hide in the shadows, hold their meetings (grottos) in he dead of nights in undisclosed locations, speaking in whispers like the cowards that they really are.

You shroud your ways in mysteries hoping to cast fear on the gullible who do not know that satan is as powerful over you as much as you let him.

You are out here talking abt it (albeit, still hiding alot), because this is a faceless forum.

A man will join AMORC and his wife who he marries for life will not know except he chooses to reveal it to her. His children will not know until the day he dies.

What with the secrecy if there's any good in it?

Babacele:
you don't even know the meaning of " occult" ,so how can I discuss with you? if I ask you about the occultism in the Bible now like: " why did God create the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden" , won't I cause you a serious migraine?

Bring it on man.

The Occult in the Bible Indeed. I'm waiting for you sir.

Babacele:
Human sacrifice? You are not even ashamed of your heartless lies. Sacrifice for what? Obviously ,you are having nightmares from your ignorance . When confronted to substantiate their funny claims, this has always been their shameless responses: " my friend said; my friend's father; somebody said , etc". For lying without shame ,you are a christian indeed. By their fruits ye shall know them.

So what you're saying is, we shd disregard the accounts given by your former members but we shd come in ourselves and experience things for ourselves to know if there's human sacrifice going on there?

And, if we escape and tell what is going on there, people shd also call us lairs abi?

See satan.