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SageMK:
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I know he shíts everyday and uses those two hands of his to wipe his ass clean. Now every time he flushes it away, he obviously takes a good look. So that means that he sees his shìt everyday! Good. My questions are —

1. Does this mean he finds his shìt attractive even though he sees it all the time every day?

2. Is he attached to his shìt? If yes, does this implies he worships his shìt?

If the answers are no, then this means he shìts, flushes and walk away. In the same light, I watch GOT, enjoy the drama and walk away. If he think otherwise, let him come and drag me to his hell. Nonsense and ingredient.

I agree with you. I watch GOT. I'm reading the books now and it has no slight effect on my Spiritual Life.

The small boy still dey learn.

newsynews:
AGhanaian Pastor, Victor Eghan, has given reasons why Christians who watch Game of Thrones are going against God and would probably end up in hell.

Read his reasons below.*****



https://lailasnews.com/christians-watch-game-thrones-hell/

How did you know all these if you are not deep into porn? I never even knew if there was a pornhub.

What were you doing going through these?


What happened to 'Preach the Gospel in season and out of seasons?'

JeromeBlack:
Will you stop lying? Do ou know how many girls have been exposed in this Dubai prostitution ring? Many of them are christians.

I can you post their profiles here?

JeromeBlack:
You are talking about worshipping money when your born again pastors have Range Rovers and private jets.

You are a hypocrite. Pharisee. Go and sit down

Lolzzzzz. You are pained becos you lots can no longer call Christians Church rats. God has blessed them with Jets and all.


Hurry up and post the profiles of the Christian prostitutes in Dubai.

Do I need to remind you of who a Christian is again?

budaatum:
It's rather obvious I'm wasting my time here. If you bothered reading with your eyes open you'd have read it said religion was non-existent in my family while I was growing up Shepherd.

But you went to Church on Sundays with Children who will use their tithes to buy sweets.

budaatum:
I'm not dodging Shepherd, just refusing to tell you. If you want God to communicate with you, ask God!

I see.

God speaks to me already and I didn't ask to Him. He decides the medium to speak to His vessels.

JeromeBlack:
Funny enough, it is christian girls from churches like yours that go to Dubai to eat poo from Arab sugar-daddies

See? You proof my point that you are an ediet.
No Christian girl glories in fornication talk more of Prostitution.

They know they are Carriers of the Holy Spirit as their bodies are sacred Temples.


That those girls live in England or USA doesn't make them Christians.

Try asking them if they believed in God, their answers will be NO.

They are atheists girls with no moral compass like you. They worship Money, hence can do anything to have it.

budaatum:
You appear to have a fundamental misunderstanding of my position Shepherd, let me try to assist you. I spent years wondering about God when I came in contact with Christians. How people believed what they did fascinated me. It's why I first read the Bible, rationally I might add, having by then received years of rational education both at home and at school where everything was Who What When Where Why How, developing a critical mind in us with no religion whatsoever except "God Save the Queen"! Then climate change. 6years 5 months plunk in the middle of a couple of years post Biafra Nigeria which I'd had the misfortune of living through on bbc who showed us everyday in all our glory. Everyone believed in God. Everyone believed in spirits. Everyone prayed. I still remember Rashidi in his egun outfit claiming he was a spirit from the gods I should give him all my money or he would whip me. Rashidi who did not know you got 2½ kobo change if you bought half a loaf of bread is claiming to be a god! The 'Rashidi' I had seen dying in their millions on bbc! I didn't mind their believing, most were just absurd to me and weren't what I could believe myself not with my wwwwwh and especially where my resources were concerned. I'd rather spend my money on a book than give it to Rashidi in his egun outfit even if he was a god. But curious I still was. Besides, the only way to get out the house on a Sunday was to go to church or you'd be cooped up indoors! So church it was. And was it fascinating!

I remember a Church I went to. They'd send vans to pick up kids 2-300 in the neighbourhoods so I went. Prayer was "pray for your mother, pray for your father", and all these children will be rolling on the floor balling their eyes out praying their mother and father don't go to hell. There was this group of six of us all going home one Sunday when they stopped at a sweet sellers. They had rolled on the floor and kept their tithes for sweets while I had dropped mine in the bowl. I still laugh at their cunning. The bowl woman had not moved along and stared at me until I put my hands in my pocket and put my money in the bowl. It fascinated me. That woman got my money with a stare that Rashidi couldn't get with a whip.

Years of study followed Shepherd, of books, life, experiences of myself and of other people, everything I could get my hands on and find the time for which helped me develop a critical mind as in, gave me the ability to discern the wheat from the chaff and allow me to amass the time to further my seeking.

Have you considered that there might be some work I might have done that you have not done, is my point. Or perhaps your work is different to mine or your path is different to mine? I mean, if God's mansion can have many rooms, might there not be more than one path? Personally. I just can't but wonder why beliefs are more important to you than you loving another. It's not a belief I can share!

Buda, if you care to listen, everyone has a story. A journey. I have mind. I believe mine set a precedence that occasioned my firm belief in Jesus. At 10, I saw a dead Child raised back to life, she is still alive today. That got stuck in my mind. I have seen raw manifestation of God's power that boggles the mind, these kept me asking questions and from the Word, I see that it is Jesus and that He is still alive in people, even Me.

Buda, I am sorry am going to say this, pls don't take it wrongly. But you were raised in a family where Religion was a mere ceremony. It's not your fault you were a Child. Church going was something that must be done on Sunday. No expectations, No longing for an experience in those who looked up to.

In our formative ages, what we observe in our immediate families, environments and even the kind of churches we attend, stakes our foundations. If you grew up in a family that merely talked about God but did not take Him seriously, did not teach you to involve Him in your personal Life, hence, never saw any real manifestation of the power of God that kept you wondering, you'd grow up looking at God like Santa Claus who comes to you once every year.

I have read through your journey I never saw any personal soul encounter with Jesus Himself. I read you talking about people. You tried to See Jesus from other people's eyes Buda, and that is idol worship.

If you spend enough time reading the Bible when you came of age with the intention of seeking the Mind of God concerning what was bothering you at the time, you would've laughed at Rashidi.

You'd have prayed for the Misguided greed-laden politicians who seek to control other human beings against Gods original mandate for Man, hence force the weak to fight and kill each other in other for them to keep the territory for themselves.

If you'd read the Bible opening up your Spiritual ears to hear the voice of the Word of God, The Holy Spirit wld ve spoken to you and you'd ve understood why things on earth are now Topsy-Turvy.
But alas, you rationalized the scriptures and what you were left with was mere letters of the Word which killed you eventually.

God is not responsible for the evil and chaos in the world Buda, Man is, Greed, jealousy, clamour for control is.
There are two kinds of people on earth, those who say "Father, thy Will be done, and those to whom God says 'Okay then, have it your way'". And this world has rebelled so much so that, it seems God has said to it 'Okay then, have it your way', because he doesn't strife with any man. Choose Ye this day...

The danger is in apportioning blame to God for the misdeeds of others, and that is what so many atheists are doing now. Most are offended at God because He does not interfere, funnily they are at present still steep in disobedience, yet expects God to wipe away hunger when there's so much in the hands of the leaders who shd give out.

They expect God to remove sicknesses like HIV or Cancer from their lives, while men are still have sex with men and people with animals.
They celebrate sin and unrighteousness, they fight anyone who points them out. Some even go to the point of falsifying Scriptures to backup their evils,

They are still taking in toxic substances that causes Cancer, they do all manner of things that works against Nature, yet shake their punny fists at God. Pity, as though they can fight the weakest Angel in Heaven.

budaatum:
Yes Shepherd, and some . As in every "word that proceeds from God's mouth" that I can get my hands on because if I live by bread alone I will be malnourished is what Jesus taught me and as is confirmed many other religions.

I see. So, you pick 'Not Believing and not Worshipped God' from Buddhism, and you pick 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself' from Christianity and mix them together. Here, right there, is 'The Grail Message'.
Pick from other religions and form your own. Hahahahahahaha.

I now understand why you meander with words hoping no one will notice the error. Cleaver, cleaver.

budaatum:
And not only as a scholar, but also as a participant in the mystery of Christ's death upon a cross.

Oil and water doesn't mix Buda, it's not possible. Anthropologists come to Nigeria to study Amadioha. And, by studying, based on what is written and by Igbo folklore they understand the operations on Amadioha, this can not link them with the Igbo ancestors who represent this god. They can't command fire, or make the god do anything just because they now know it.

To participate in the mystery of Christ's death on the Cross, you must believe in Him and Worship as God. You must believe and obey His Words.

Eternal Life must be your principal focus, and you must be determined to evangelize Christ to the dying World.

These does not happen by you literally or academically studying to know who Jesus was while He was on earth. Jesus is still healing the sick today, do you believe? He is still saving souls from death today, do you believe? He is still raising the dead today, miracles are still happening today, do you believe?
Jesus is God, and God is a Spirit.
Spiritual things or beings are Spiritually discerned, not academically deciphered.

You must present yourself a vessel for His use, because he still uses His own today, Speaking through them, acting through them in so many ways.

How does He communicate to you? I asked this before, but you dodged it. You can't be His disciple without hearing Him. Do you hear Him, how?

budaatum:
Experience, would be a more accurate description Shepherd, "experience Jesus".

Buda, I think the word you are looking for is 'encounter'. Sorry no one encounters Jesus by studying Him academically. Besides, He calls His Disciples, no one calls Him into anything.

From Adam to me, He has been the one coming Us with His terms, you cannot go to Him. You couldn't find your way to Him, so how can you experience Him? Try it and you'd end up serving satan who impersonates Jesus.

budaatum:
I did not put Jesus in a test-tube!

Who said anything about a test-tube?

You said curiosity drives you to put his commandments to a test, to see if they work as people claim. And, I told you, you can't put Jesus to a test, you will be ignored or worst still fall into Satan's hands. Satan knows that Jesus won't answer you, because He doesn't go back on His Words, so satan will show up and act like Jesus. The the type that Loj talks abt.

Do you even believe there's an entity called Satan?

budaatum:
You are a funny individual if you think a person can study Jesus and not have something from him whether one wants him or not! Is it up to one whether Jesus enters one's life or not?

So are you funny to think you can know Jesus but not believe in Him.
Yes, someone who studies Jesus like someone researching Dinosaurs cannot get anything from Jesus except of the historical aspects of Him. Theological scolars are in this class.

budaatum:
Did Saul have a choice in the matter?

Saul never set out to study to know Jesus academically, he was out to obliterate any trace of Jesus. No one can know Jesus except He draws to them To Himself. 'No man can come to me except My Father Draws Him'.

No one has ever looked for Jesus and found Him, those who have tried ended up empty religious people, speaking big grammar, quoting scriptures out of context, falsifying the Word, having letters but no Life.

If you talk about the Kingdom's Principles, like tithing, divine healing, holy ghost baptism, the mystery of giving, transference of the Spirit by laying on of hands, the Believers authority over demons, (casting out of demons), the operations of these mysteries fly over their heads hence, they wave them off as fake or manipulate

budaatum:
Is it not true that studying Jesus is like finding treasure in a field? Would one study him if one didn't want something from him?

You mean like the Muslim study Him to make their people that He is just an ordinary prophet lesser than Muhammad? or like the scholars/theologians in their high lofty academic stratas get something from Him?
Like I said, all they can get from Him is earthly, nothing spiritual. And Jesus came here mainly to save man from sin and death (eternal), are they saved? do they have eternal Life in them?

No one gets eternal Life by studying Jesus like one studying the life of Aristotle or Shakespeare.

budaatum:
Did God self not say "Ask for whatever you want me to give you"? Or don't you even believe this not to talk of know it to be true?

Yes, He said that, but why didn't you attach the condition that goes with that promise? The Lord was talking to His Disciples who believe and Worship Him, not the general public

It is when you must have done His Will, not before.

There are gifts that are open to the general Human race, but there are some that are reserved for Sons in the family.

As an unbeliever, try asking for divine healing or lay your hand on the sick and see how it goes. Lay your hands on a demon possessed and see demons jump on you, that is if they dignify you with a reaction.

Buda, will it be safe to say you are a Seeker, not a Christian?

As a Seeker, you study Christ the Christian God, Buddhism and their various Buddhas. Shinto, Taoism, Islam Paganism. You are a scholar right? because, scholars don't believe in Jesus but study Him just like they do other religions.

If your answer is yes, then I rest my case.

The Bible is a very big book so you cannot expect me to have tested everything in the Bible. Besides, some things are of a greater relevance than some others, one must surely prioritise. Read hear about separating wheat. A priority I know.[/quote]

budaatum:
Because I'm curious about it. I want to know if it produces the result they say it does.

Wow. Man, I haven't come across your kind before. You want to experiment with Jesus? How do you experiment with a Spirit who you only access by Faith?

this is likened to what a certain John, a sorcerer did in Acts 8:18-20
And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

You have an agenda. You want something from Jesus, but don't want him.

budaatum:
That's what learning is about! Don't you do it?

No, I don't experiment with Jesus. This is how people walk in error but expect Jesus to lower His standard and do their biddings, but when He doesn't (Which is always the case), they cry foul and say Jesus does not exists

You cannot subject God to a examination Buda. You have no idea who you are dealing with.

Even as a deeply Spiritual Obedient believer, you can hardly fully grasp the Essence of God, how then can a non believer who remains at the intellectual level grasp Him?

budaatum:
Don't you learn by questioning? Do you just believe

Oh, I question alot, but I am always referred back to the Word for answers and when I read I receive my answers and receive my peace.

budaatum:
Open your eyes and follow links. I am not feeding you!

As if you can feed. Abeg stop kidding your self Buda. I don't think I need an extra eye to see Bible passages you post.

budaatum:
You yourself do not seek but you want buda who seeks to seek for you? You are asking buda to show you the evidence that God used to convince buda?

Buda, you talk about testing, proofs and evidences that can convince one, and I say, show me.

Oh, Buda, I am a seeker. Much more than you know. that is why I'm able to catch you in your subtle lies here.

What do I care abt the evidence God used to convince you? If I asked you and you lie, how will I know? But, the Word of God is open and clear for everyone to.see, so pls point me to a Patriarch who followed God without believing in God.
How many times have I asked this? You run around playing hide and seek.

budaatum:
Na wa for you o! Now you want to know. Don't you want to just believe anymore? .

Who talked about Jesus believing? You are quick to accuse me of something you a master in, dishonesty. I didn't just believe what Jesus said blindly. Nature is here to.confirm what he taught. Human beings and their behaviours are hear to confirm the Bible. The Nations of the earth and its people are here too. So, how can I just believe? But, it began there. Believe was my first pedestal. I stood on it then I understand, my understanding led me to Knowledge.

And, in Christianity, we don't test our God, as that will count as Doubt and doubt is the opposite of faith. So, for you testing Jesus to see if what He said or is saying is true, Hmmmm. If you believe the Word, I'd asked where you got it from.

budaatum:
I'm certain that if you too seek by yourself and ask in God's name God will show you too the things of God's Kingdom Shepherd

And if I ask without believing, I shall receive okwaya?

Here is what the Lord said abt that ; 'Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mark 11:24

Buda, how do you ask and receive from a god you don't believe in?

budaatum:
Why? Why should I go and seek, find and share it with you? Why do you think you deserve a portion of the fruits of my labours Shepherd?

Buda, I'm not in the least interested in the fruit of your labour. Why shd I be? You've got nothing that I need or cannot have.
You made a claim, and say back it up, but here you are scream fruits. WTH?

budaatum:
Do you understand any of the answers you have received?

You haven't given any answers Buda. All you"ve been doing is play game of words, which you fail woefully, because you are not dealing with a kid.

How do you follow Jesus without believing in Him and His Words, you talk about testing him. How do you even know he exists without believing what the Bible says about him. And how do you test a Spirit? You said reading the Bible but not believing it. What kind of absurdity is that?

budaatum:
Have you done anything to enable you to understand? Why do you think what you think matters to me?
You really are very funny! Lol!

You are the one who need to understand that you need help. but pride won't let you see it. Budaatum, Jesus Himself, the One you claim you know and have tested to be true (even when you don't believe in Him and His Words), says that No one can walk or follow Him except they first believe that He is, and that He a rewarder of those who diligently seek him.

Jesus of Nazareth is a Spirit as far as this plane is concern for now. so to walk with him, you believe that what He says abt Himself in His Word is true. It is in following and obeying Him that He reveals Himself to you then you know Him. You can not know Him without Believing in Him.

Maybe the Jesus you talk about is the one Loj is talking about, the mystical Jesus.


Maybe I shd flood this thread with scriptures and let you disproof them.

Wait!!!!! you don't believe in them.

budaatum:
Because you might want to check for yourself if it is true or not.

It's obvious you didn't understand my 'Why' question. My question is 'Why are you acting on a command you don't believe in?'. We Christians believe in the covenant. This covenant has requirements and dictates that must be kept and followed. We are told that when we do this, we shall get that, we believe then do. But, you don't believe, so what is the essence of you acting on the covenant? This is my 'Why'.

budaatum:
You could be testing if what Jesus says about being slapped is true.

I hope you know that Jesus was teaching self control and humility there and you using it here is outside context?

budaatum:
To have more what, Shepherd, earthly possessions or wealth that moths cannot eat?

Context, context context Buda. You keep doing this. You talked about testing Jesus' teaching to know that they are true, and I said, let's use giving to test your hypothesis. Did I say one shd be greedy and grab more than necessary?

Jesus said give and shall be given back to you, and I say why not give out your money or goods without first believing that it will come back if you and see if you can do it?

budaatum:
lOnce you have that which Jesus said "spread out, give out and you will increase", you may chose to test by not withholding and by scattering to see if you increase. If you increase then you know its true.

Stop meandering with words, it makes you seem cunning.

Everyone has what Jesus says to give. And it's not about you choosing whether or not to give out, my point is about you talking abt Testing Jesus to know if He is true. I am saying without believing in Jesus and His Words, test him by doing what said (Which by the way you don't believe in) by giving out your money all of it, to the needy and watch to see if it's true that it will come back.

How do you put what you don't believe in to test to see if it's true? This is stupid really.

budaatum:
Never said I was smart because I read a book Shepherd, but I did "read a book written how many thousand years ago by people long dead" and, "don't believe what they wrote in that book to be true" not all of it, at least, and not literally true, but "checked and tested their claims", then "knew their claims are true", barring the things that are propaganda, of course, or that are not 'true'.

Again this is stupid. You don't believe what is written in a book to be true, but you checked/tested their claims (Which you don't believe) if they are true and have have found them to be true?
Abeg, shift make I get space faint.

I believe you don't believe that Moses parted the Red Sea with his staff? Pls how did you test that it indeed happened for you to be convinced it did?

budaatum:
My favorite. I don't believe it and I haven't figured out the mystery of it yet either. It's one I'm still constantly asking God about. And it is 'true'.

Pls can you just past out the Scripture you intend to use? I hardly get what you typed here. U pick and choose what to know (because you don't believe) in the Bible, that's great. And, what is true? What you don't believe?

budaatum:
I quoted it because it states what I'm saying clearly.

What did you quote? I didn't see any scripture.

budaatum:
I've said this so many times but it seems to just go over your head, I wonder why! You do not need to seek proof before you believe. In fact, the fact that you have not sought proof is the reason that you can believe or not, if you knew you would know and not just believe. , and it will be opened to you.

And I have asked you so many times to show me the evidence you saw that gave you the confidence that proofed to you that Jesus is God and is right now in Heaven. How do you know He is coming back to earth for real?

Why haven't you been answering my questions? They are flying over your head because you know you'd be trapped if you try to answer them.

U are saying that Thomas was right in seeking to see and touch the Master before believing and Jesus is wrong by saying we should believe and Trust that what He says is true?

budaatum:
There is afterall a level of confidence you'd have if you were certain a thing is true because you had checked for yourself and its likely more than what you'd have if you never bothered.

Everything I say flies over your head or you pretend not to see. Moses shd have checked (analyzed) the possibility of the Red Sea parting before striking it with the Rock or how Water could have gush out of the Rock before striking it abi?

budaatum:
Just that some choose to believe and some don't believe. But if you are the sort that needs evidence before you can accept a thing is true then you will “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock

And how can you work with Jesus and not believe Him? Is there one single person who did this?

budaatum:
For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A7-11&version=NKJV]opened[/url]", even the mystery of "Jehovah is God, and He is in heaven" if that is what you need to know.

And asking, seeking and knocking in disbelief delivers the answers right?

Buda answer my questions and stop meandering, it makes you dishonest.

budaatum:
Do note that is not to say everybody must seek or not believe. Some people can't seek or just don't seek and are blessed says the word, just that not using your talents and abilities, if God gave you any, is like worshipping God with a tithe in my opinion, and not giving it all to the poor and following Christ.

You like to ramble incoherently Buda. Maybe you think that makes you sound smart, but it doesn't.

Where did the Word say that some people may seek or not seek yet be Blessed?

Pls tell me who and who followed Jesus in the Bible but didn't believe Him but just knew that what He said was true.

budaatum:
You can "act on what He has commanded" without believing.

Why?

budaatum:
If somebody slaps you, or takes your shirt for instance, you can turn the other cheek or give them your coat to test if what Jesus said is true.

This is a very poor example to use to drive home this point. How do you test Jesus by being slapped?

Let use giving. The Holy Spirit says here that; There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. Proverbs 11:24.
And, Give and it shall be given to you...
How do you know that what Jesus says is true? You know quite well that to have more, you save and accumulate, but Jesus is saying spread out. give out, and you shall increase, how can you test Him without believing that it will happen if you do it?

budaatum:
You did not believe it but were smart enough to at least check and test it first before discarding it.

So you call yourself smart by reading a book written how many thousand years ago by people long dead, you don't believe what they wrote in that book to be true, but you checked and tested their claims then you knew their claims are true. Wait!!! I am the one being stupid here or you?

budaatum:
And now that you have tested it and found that it is true, you don't just believe it, you know it is true because you tested and witnessed the truth with your own eyes.

Give me an example of an account you read in the Bible that you didn't believe, but tested and saw with your eyes to be true.

budaatum:
But as Christ said, blessed, even moreso might I add, are those who believe without seeing. If only I too had not been jeopardising myself with my stubbornness! I once was lost but now I'm found and can only thank God for not giving up on me.

Why did you quote this scripture which Jesus talks about us believing without seeing?

JMAN05:
I think what the guy is saying in essence is, seek proof before you believe in Jesus and his sayings. There should be basis for your beliefs, not blind faith. But of course, one should have basis for his beliefs.

I think the issue is about semantics which I don't want to go into.

No sir, it's not a semantic issue but context.

If one must seek proof before believing in Jesus and what He teaches, then how can one proof Jesus' claims that He came from Heaven?


The Bible says Jehovah is God, and He is in heaven. what proof can one get before believing that Jehovah is indeed in heaven?

There's nothing like blind faith sir. Look around you and tell me if God is not speaking to you through nature.

budaatum:
I never categorically said "you don't have to believe", Shepherd, though to be honest, I don't think one should believe some of the things that you believe like your belief that the purpose of the Bible is to believe, but that's your business.

I don't believe because I know.

Yes, Buda, it is my business. And this is my stance, which I have not pointed out since.

To know God, you must first BELIEVE that He is what Nd who he says He is.

You must believe the Bible which is His Word to be absolute truth.

You must act on what He has commanded at which point encounters will birth conviction which is KNOWING GOD.

YES, I KNOW GOD NOW, but I believed Him first.

You do not intellectually research God without believing In Him. He is a Spirit, not subject to a specimen

budaatum:
I thought as much too so "point out to 'Whom it May Concern'" Shepherd.

I'm doing exactly that.

Budaatum why did you bring me to this thread? Who is dishonest now? It's not enough that you went point, but now you dragged me completely out of my thread?

Wonderful Buda.

budaatum:
You read about him.

How can I be sure that what I read about Him is true?

budaatum:
You can believe what you read first if you want, nothing wrong with that.

Okay.

budaatum:
But I've found belief was not a requirement, in my case. One can test Jesus first, even without believing in him.

Where did you find that believe is not a requirement? From the Bible which is Jesus' manual on how to walk with Him or from somewhere else?

Buda, I asked you before if you believed the Bible and the accounts recorded there. Your answer was 'Definitely not'. You said it was propaganda as it was whispered down the line to those who finally wrote them down. How then do you know the requirements to follow Jesus Christ of Nazareth? (I think we shd include of Nazareth so that we know which Jesus we Are referring to). As the Jesus Loj talks about is the mystical one and I fear that is the one you are talking abt too.

budaatum:
If you test Jesus and the results confirm what is said about him, you now know its true. And if it doesn't, you'd know its not true.

How do you know how to test him? And, did He (Jesus of Nazareth say we shd test Him?), Is testing
the same as trusting?

Without the Bible, no one will know who Jesus is, and without Believing what is written in the Bible abt Jesus, you can never know Him to even talk abt testing Him, if we must in the first place.

I am saying this here with the hope that someone will read and see the error you are trying to spread here.

Bible Believing Christians know that from Genesis to Revelation it is all about Believing their God and Worshiping Him by doing what He commands them to do, anything outside ls, is another gospel.

budaatum:
If you had wanted to learn you could have learnt here Shepherd, but here you are asking if the lamp is "keeping a section dark" as if the Light of the World is a torch!

You will evolve from this I tell you.

I didn't even know I was in this thread. If I wanted to know I shd have known what here? I shd have known from the Occult how to follow Jesus of Nazareth?

Wait, Buda, is this the kind of Christian you are? You shd have made that clear nah. U are I are not on the same page then.

Lolzzzzz Buda. Wow. From atheism to mystical Christianity?
Wonder you support Homosexuality, to you there's nothing like sin. God is not be worshipped or believed.

I see the light now.

budaatum:
If you had wanted to learn you could have learnt here Shepherd, but here you are asking if the lamp is "keeping a section dark" as if the Light of the World is a torch!

Lamps shine, they hardly shout that they are the lamp. If you have the Light of Christ in you, you will not preach a different gospel from the one He preached.

budaatum:
You will evolve from this I tell you.

I will evolve a Bible Believing Christian to an oçultic one abi. Clap for yourself Buda.

budaatum:
I'm absolutely certain you believe all you are saying here is not your opinion since God must have made you his mouthpiece.

If I have no light I wonder how you figured I can possibly be following Christ. Or is it darkness that you see in buda?

I know you know what I mean. But if you choose to play games, that's your business. I stand here to say that the Word of God standeth sure and no one can change it.

Buda, anyone who tries to falsify the Word of God and lead people to error is darkness.

And, why aren't you responding to posts but picking tidbits?

budaatum:
Shepherd, you have no shame! You remove links from my post then accuse me of not providing any! And when I accuse you of being dishonest, and claim I say what I never said, you claim I insult you when I'm only stating obvious observations. Or do you seriously think everyone is blind like you and would not see that buda has repeatedly and continously provided links in this thread?

Let my shamelessness not be any of your concern Buda. I talk of Bible verses you talk links. Links to what? Christians talking about scriptures shd leave the Bible and talk abt what?

Sorry Buda, I won't join you in your pettiness.
I ask questions, if you like answer them, but to bring me to the mud were we'll slinging shit is what you won't have me do.

budaatum:
I have a very solid foundation of my faith because I more than believe. I diligently search so that I know.

You do indeed. Five minutes ago, you were an atheist who didn't believe God or any spirit existed. You were everywhere insulting God and Christians, now you have a solid foundation of... Which Faith exactly Buda? because the foundation of the Christian Faith is hinged on Believing, which you are here saying you don't.

budaatum:
Whats amusing is that you are arguing with your beliefs, for which you seem to lack a foundation, with me who has checked those beliefs and found the knowledge that underpins those beliefs you hold on to. And in your blindness, you think I am claiming the beliefs are wrong, when my claim is that believing is not as good as knowing.

You are not claiming the beliefs are wrong, or that they are not as good as knowing. Here you are trying to shift the goal post yet accuse me of dishonesty.

You say categorically that you don't believe in God, and we do not have to believe. When I quoted a scripture you for, you said it was mistranslated as it has been done over time. Do you remember me talking about Context? I told you, the context of the Word cannot change.

My question is. HOW DO YOU KNOW A SPIRIT WITHOUT BELIEVING IN THAT SPIRIT. This, you have been dodging as if you were blind and can not see it.

budaatum:
Maybe if I lay it out for you you'd get it.

Shepherd00: I believe in God.

Budaatum: I know God.

How did you get to know Him? You saw Him? Can you show me God? I really want to see him.

budaatum:
You believe the Lord is your shepherd, while I know I am shepherded by God, would be an example. Surely, you believe because your faith is bigger and you are going to heaven, while mine is a tiny mustard seed and I'm going somewhere else, according to you. Thankfully, it is as is written. "By our fruits are we known".

How do you know the Lord is your Shepherd?

My enquiry has been HOW, but you have continuously ignored it. How did you get to know that God is alive and what He says abt Himself is true?

budaatum:
I suggest you stop worrying what God makes of buda and concern yourself with what God makes of Shepherd. .

I am not interested in what God makes of Buda, I am only interested in how Buda got to know God without believing in God.

budaatum:
Neither of us would be there helping God judge the other

This is not about Judgement Buda. If you the Light that is lit and placed in a lamp stand, then you shd shine the light and show people the right way to go, not mislead them into error and damnation.

Seriously, I am not engaging you here for your sake, I only want to point out to 'Whom it May Concern' that you are wrong.

Anyone who comes to God Must BELIEVE THAT HE IS... Hebrews 11:6

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budaatum:
You were the one who asked about spirits and those were the only spirits I knew and I thought I should tell you especially after searching deep and realising I've never told anyone ever. Sorry I dragged you

I can't remember asking you about cowardly ghosts who frighten little children in the dark. I asked you the possibility of knowing or understanding Jesus (Who happens to be a Spirit) without FIRST BELIEVING in Him and what He teaches. Pls I am interested in this.
And, thanks for not dragging us off point henceforth.

budaatum:
Education is like treasure hidden in a field . When a person is educated, in joy will they sell all they have and buy that field because they know the value of education before staking their entire being on it. At least I think one should know, and not just take a chance that the belief they made up in their head is the truth.

This is my point the whole time. How do you KNOW GOD who is a Spirit without BELIEVING THAT WHAT HE says ABOUT HIM IS TRUE? For as far as the Supernatural is concerned, whether godly or ungodly, you believe first before you see, it is when you see then you get convinced, it is conviction that brings you to the place of Knowing that for a fact this thing is true. believing is not taking a chance as you say, it's a requirement for walking the Supernatural.

Let's take Thomas for instance. He was present when the master said He wld resurrect from the dead, he had seen Lazarus resurrect from the dead (or not), he still did not believe. He wanted to jump Believing to knowing which comes with SEEING and Touching FIRST. What did the Master say to him? Blessed are those who wld believe without seeing But, here you are saying we don't have to believe, but like Thomas must understand and know about Spirits and their spiritual ways.

Patriarch Abraham trusted and left Ur of Sumeria, a civilized place to an unknown nameless place, even when he had not known Jehovah before, he obeyed. did he believed or knew? Did he sit down to research, understand and know who Jehovah was before following?

A man with a barren wife was told he'd be a father of many nations. He was told to look up and count the stars, as those were the number of his kids. Did he Believe or know it was true?

He was told to kill the same child that he had waited for 25 yrs to have after the promise, he obeyed. Did he know that God could raise Issac back from the dead? Had he seen it happen before? He believed. He was told all the land he could see was his...

How could he have known that all these things were true without first believing in Him who spoke and what he said?

Buda, pls tell me anyone who had successfully walked with God who first researched about God and understood God and what He commanded before fallowing, and I will mention all the Patriarchs who believed and obeyed what they were told without questions.

budaatum:
Learning and knowing and understanding Jesus will make one a follower of Jesus.

Okay, Buda, let's study and understand how Jesus turned water into wine. explain.

How he made mud and opened the eyes of the one born blind. explain.

How He fed 5 thousand men, women and children not counted. explain.

Let's learn and understand how he raised a rotting buried corpse after four days of being dead.

How He was able to command demons to leave a demoniac who no man could bind.

Let's understand how he healed leprosy by just touching them. And how about the ones He didn't touch but who touched just His clothes? Or you don't believe these things happened?

Oh, wait!!! you said they were propagandas as so many people whispered these things before they were written.

Buda, if we are still talking about Jesus of Nazareth, The very Jehovah who took up flesh and came to earth in the vessel called Jesus, If it is that one, He says you shd BELIEVE in Him and what he teaches.
Not, intellectually learn to understanding him and then follow Him.For blessed are those who believe, for there shall be a performance of those things which are told him. Like Abraham and Moses, and David, and Daniel, and us today's Christians around the world who are not even Jews, but believe and are seen tremendous results.

He said to Nicodemus, 'If I tell you about Earthly things and you don't understand, how will you understand when I tell you about Spiritual things?'. how do you study to understand a Spirit buda.

This is not Buddhism Buda, this is the Christian Faith. Before it was called Christianity, it was called 'The FAITH'.

Acts 6:7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. and Faith is believing.

Spiritual things are Spiritually understood, but you can't understand them without first believing in them.

Buda, you are an intellectual and wants to apply intellectualism in following Jesus, it doesn't walk that way. I don't want to flood this thread with scriptures of Jesus telling us to BELIEVE in Him. But, it seems you are a philosopher who must search out all things.

When Jesus, through Paul says, 'Study to show yourselves approved into God', He didn't say we shd study and understand Him before following.

budaatum:
That's how early missionaries took it around the world. They taught how to read and gave bibles and thereby freed people from the fear of 'spirits' and ignorance that they believed.

Oh! pls Buda just stop this okay? You are not talking to a child. The early missionaries believed in the saving power of the Gospel, hence they risked their lives to bring it to us. They saw The Life and Light in it that liberates from sin and satan.

They taught us to read and believe the right way. They taught us to read so that we could read the Bible and see for yourselves that what they taught us was true. They try to shows us that hating and killing each other does no one harm but ourselves. They taught us to stop being wicked to our fellow men.


And, most importantly, they taught us to read the Bible and get introduced to Jesus and His saving grace personally. The knowledge of the Gospel which is Power opens us up to our rights in Christ. It shows us that in Christ, we are more powerful than any demon in hell, hence free us from the fear of death which satan uses to cage us.

They didn't teach us to read the Bible so that we could disbelief in Spirits and their workings, as you try to imply here. They taught us to know who these spirits are and how to follow them and the consequences of our choices.

As much as you tell yourself that there are no spirits both good and evil, the fact won't change that they are. Anyone who reads the Bible even at the literal level will see clearly the operations of demons, so pls stop or, go on believing or knowing what you want.

budaatum:
Our parents do it too, investing in the education of we their children. And we do it too, investing in our own children. I am assuming no one with Christ educates their child or their self's in Bible belief alone, correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, that is why Jesus through Solomon said, 'bring =train up a Child in a way he shd go, so that when he is grown, he will not depart from it', and 'Study to show your approved unto God...'.

You get transformed and renewed by knowing your redemptive rights in Christ, but you can never exercise those rights if you don't first believe that what you are given is real. For Jesus says 'He that Comes to Him (follow Him), must first BELIEVE that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them who DILIGENTLY seek Him. Heb 11:6. But, how do you seek him whom you do not believe in?

I am taught from the Bible that Christ has taken away sickness from me by the whips he endured at his passion, I believe it, and I have been exercising that right. Last night, from nowhere I felt like someone hit my rib cage with an hammer. the pain was so excruciating that i could not lie down, but I had to sleep. I am exercising my faith by not taking medication, so I prayed believing that whatever that was, will go. I slept with the pain, it was so bad that my night was very rough, but I woke up this morning, the pain is gone. Normally, I wld ve gone to see a doctor this morning to find out what could cause that kind of pain. But, I believe in the healing power of Christ. This, I read from the Bible, and I believed it to be true and it's working for me.

budaatum:
The foundation of faith must be rock solid. And some are blessed with the tendency to search all things diligently, even the deepest things of their own heart and soul and intellect and mind and being so they don't have to believe because they can endeavour to know.

I wish you got this from a verse of the Scripture (?). And why haven't you used scriptures for all you teach here Buda? How do you have a foundation of faith without believing?

Can faith be separated from believe?

Jesus Who is Jehovah says Believe in me, worship Me in Spirit and in truth for I seek such to worship Me, but you Buda say, 'do not believe in God, and don't Worship Him because He does not need anyone to worship Him'.

This is what New Age people say about their Budhers

I am seeing a pattern here Buda.

Anyone who turns people away from Believing and Worshiping God is against God. Buda, are you subtly turning people away from God?

Am waiting for your tirates of abuses tho.

budaatum:
I think you better research this. There are many more ways than "two ways" to interpret the Word of God.

Pls list these other ways, I'd like to learn more.

sonmvayina:
Show me one ancient text that says Satan is evil... Ecclesiaticus 21:20 says "he who causeth Satan causeth his own soul..."

Can you lead me to this your 'ecclesiasticus 21:20?' because my Ecclesiastes doesn't have chapter 21:20.

budaatum:
Seriously? One doesn't allow the Spirit that God put in one to manifest how God wants it to?

Yes buda, seriously. One can only allow the Spirit that God put in him to manifest as God wants it to, if that one obeys what he is asked to do. not what you think is right.

It was stupid for anyone to believe and obey if he is told to put water in a wine jar and pour it out as wine and serve the high lords, but believing without asking questions resulted to what we now talk about as a miracle. If those servants had their own opinions, the jars would have had water rather than wine.

budaatum:
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I don't agree that one should "keep our opinions to ourselves or quit" at all, since it would contravene what to do when one lights a light.

You seem to forget that when that Candle is lit, it is the Light which is Jesus that shines through you to illuminate others, not your own light.

Buda, obeying God and doing His Will, which begins with you BELIEVING in Him and in what He says as true, that puts you in a pedestal as the light that cannot be hid.

Like I said before, the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation is about Believing that what we are told is true, and obeying without asking questions or join Adam and have your own opinions.

Give me one Patriarch who had their own opinions outside of the instructions they were given, yet have their lights shinning today?


Again. Our Opinions don't count, because without Christ, you have no light.

sonmvayina:
Show me one ancient text that says Satan is evil... Ecclesiaticus 21:20 says "he who causeth Satan causeth his own soul..."

I am not interested in having a discussions with a satan sympathizer. Enjoy your short time on earth, it won't be long now, you'd find out if satan is evil or not.