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budaatum:
Worship, for me, is doing the will of my Father in heaven, which is loving you as much as I love myself, and multiplying and filling the earth et al.

Okay, why then did you say God never asked Adam and Eve to worship Him?

Why were we created if not to worship and serve Jehovah?

Janosky:
Lying Pharisee wey no know say the cross symbols inside his church and his house existed long ago even before Jesus came on earth.
Yet your Church buildings were built with occultist designs and shapes , even your house roofing is a pyramid .
You are even more occultist than you care to believe.
You are a bigot indeed.

I'm ashamed on your behalf. You follow a cultist yet you carry your bag about town calling yourself Jehovah's Witnesses.

Did Jehovah ever called anyone His witness?

HenryDion:
Lol.. I was not expecting more from a brainwashed, hell-fearful imp who believes in demon possession and the damnation of soul in eternal hell.

I would have been disappointed if you expected less. But, I don't expect anything from a demon possessed, dead spirited son of a devil worshipper who will not leave me alone to wallow in my delusions. But, how can you? demons always screamed when they saw Jesus and Paul going abt their delusions.

Wait!!!!, that is the same thing you are doing here. Pity.

Fear of Hellfire won't let you be reminded of it.

Henry, you will burn if you don't receive Jesus into your life.

HenryDion:
Do you also believe in Harry Potter's magic wand? It wouldn't come as a surprise if you do anyway. The possibility is high.

Why am I not surprised? You would run to bring in Magic and sorcery your father's version of the supernatural.
And, Yes. I believe that there's sorcery and I also believe that anyone who engages in it will together with you, burn.

HenryDion:
Religion was created using the "carrot and stick" technique, using extreme fake reward and fear (hell) to keep sheep like you caged.
Escaping such a delusion isn't easy, so, I blame you not.

Why are you then the one crying? I am the one in the cage, yet you are the one crying Why is that?

Wait!!!!, You follow satan only for the flames? Aaww.

HenryDion:
This is a religion section. So, argument for or against religion is allowed. There is no rule that prohibits atheists from commenting on religious thread. If there are, please disclose them.

Guy, I empathize with you. It's not easy to leave like you do knowing the end is terrible. You need to keep taunting me hoping it will give you some respite.

Henry, Redit is an atheist platform, how many Christisns do you see there screaming and foaming in their mouths becos you fvls chose to burn?

Your choice, your flames.

budaatum:
Good question John though the Garden of Eden couldn't have been in heaven since they were told to "multiply and fill the earth" et al, and note that nowhere were Adam and Eve told to "worship God".

Also, think. How can it be bad to eat of the fruits of the tree of knowledge? Can a tree of knowledge be poisonous? Can a God really intend its creations not be nourished by the most important fruit in his garden?

I've not answered you, note. Just extremely delighted you created this thread asking Who wrote that story and what was their intention!

Budaatum, what is worship?

JohnnyOhJohn:
Let me make use of an example first;
Is it right to judge my neighbor's children for the sins of their father... No right?


So why are we judged for the sins of Adam and Eve

I think we all deserve a chance to stay in the garden of eden too... And anyone that eats from the tree of knowledge should pay for it alone

To be honest.. I still don't know why we were created in the first place,,, as in can't we just stay up there in Heaven and worship God


And if it is true that God's creations are perfect, why wasn't Adam and Eve perfect?... Why did they fall for lucify that isn't perfect too... Why I'm I doubting the whole story if I'm perfect


I need direct and logical answers please, don't beat around the bush... Thank you

Do you know that if you died a toddler, before the age of accountability, the sins of Eden won't condemn you? Why?

a).because Children are born blank, they don't know who they are until they are told.

b) They can't believe. they wouldn't know what to believe.

c). They don't understand the mystery of redemption

D). because, no one is born a Christian. You grow up, get taught, understand and then choose. From your choices you get to answer.

Do you know that you stand to answer for the things YOU did with your body here on earth, not even what another person made you do?

Do you know that what gets you rejected at heavens gate is your rejection of Jesus' gift of eternal life, not even the lying, stealing, fornication and the people you kill everyday both physically and in your intentions?

Do you also know that this your complaining is very unnecessary because the gift of life is still stretched out before your face now?

HenryDion:
I can't ignore, especially when you and your lots aimed at making more gullible people into believing in ridiculousness.

This is a public forum and when you spew horseshit, expect to get a reaction. If you don't want any reaction, keep your belief to yourself.

Shalom!

This is a religious section which states that I have a right to say religious things here. But, what are you doing here if you don't want to hear my horseshit?

The demons in you are reacting everytime they hear the gospel abi? They are reminded that Fire awaits them. It won't change Henry. If you don't repent you and your demons will burn.

Buda, I have read you saying you don't believe (whatever that means). I need to know what you don't believe in. Is it Jesus Himself or His Word (The Bible)?

But, from Genesis to Revelation, the message is (Whatever He tells you to do, do it). How then do you do what He says without first believing?

Now my questions;
1) Why don't you believe? (because if you believe and do what He teaches, you have believed in Him)

2. Do you think it's irrational to believe in Jesus?

3. Do you think the instructions which is His Word (Bible) is outdated and believing them makes you seem foolish?

4. Are you Ashamed of Jesus?

5. How can you follow Jesus but don't believe when He keeps saying 'You must believe (Have faith)?

6. Don't believe the accounts of those who believed Jesus in the Bible?

7. Do you think the Bible is a fraud?


I know you won't insult me, so let's talk like Christisns (That is, if you are).

All Love

HenryDion:
They claim he exist, so I'm asking for proof, in other to become a believer too. Sadly, they have been unable to.

If you don't believe He exists, then don't ask for any proof. Just ignore us and walk away.


I don't believe in reincarnation, you would never see me stressing the New Age adherents to proof it to me. I ignore them and walk away.

HenryDion:
You ended up not answering my question despite writing an epistle.. What a shame! Atheism is just another way of asking for proof. Is that too hard?

Atheism isn't a badge, it is merely a stance where proof is asked for. Unfortunately, you have none judging by how my question was dodged.

Funny lol

Isn't this stupid though? Asking proof of something which does not exists?

Janosky:
The Freemason fraternity says Russell is NOT their member.
Russell membership info dey the fraternity register wey dey your deluded brain.
Go & quarrel with them for debunking your falsehood .
Your comment
" pls kindly name those who used the symbols long before the Masons"
Lazy youth, searching for expo, Google is your enemy.

SMH for you. Na like dis you go follow a criminal cultist enter Hellfire.

Based on the symbols used by Charles, I say he was a Cultist, but you say that him using those symbols doesn't make him a mason because long before the Masons used the symbols, others have used them.

I say show me who did, instead of just posting a link you are here telling me to prove to you that Charles Tass Russel was not a Freemason member.

You Well?

Janosky the cultist like his lord knows deep down that lord was a Satanist.

Why aren't you people in enemy zones spreading your lies, why wait until the Evangelicals conquer the territory before you move in to confuse the sheep?

Satanist arguementator

Janosky:
You wey register am for Mason fraternity, give us him Lodge number for their register.....
Lol.

You are a bigoted fellow blinded by prejudice and egotism.
Your spurious claims remain what is it - false claims of a bigot.

Oga, weytin Freemason symbols dey do for Una organization? You said those symbols have been in use long before the Knight Templars used them. And I am saying who used them before the Knight Templars, instead of proving that Charles Tass Russel wasn't a cultist, you are jumping upandan calling me liar. I and you who be liar here?

Only a Satanist denies Jesus' divinity, and you and your Lord Russel have been shouting that since he grew up long enough to know that Jesus is God.

Oga, show me who used the Pyramid, a Cross in a Crown symbol before the Knight Templars, and who outside the lodges does today.

JeromeBlack:
You are brain dead. You are no different from the night walkers: a zombie that follows orders from a magic book called the bible.


Please don't quote me again.

I hit home yeah? We shall see who is brain dead at last.

A Spiritually dead man calling me a zombie. If only you knew.

JeromeBlack:
Yet, we are continuously ruled by heartless politicians in Nigeria

And you think they'll get away with their evil abi? lol. Here is the Word of God;
Ecclesiastes 8:11-12
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:
There's always a day of recompense. don't worry keep up with your evil and to get away with it.

JeromeBlack:
In GOT, it is the ruthless and or the strong that survive. Even the "good" characters are killers. None of the good characters on game of thrones have clean hands.

If they kill for justice, then it's justice not vengeance or out of malice or cruelty. You can't call a judge who passed a dead sentence over a criminal a killer, wld you?

Besides, anyone who kills by the sword, shall end by the sword. Watch.

JeromeBlack:
The 2 sets of incestuous couples are still alive Jamie/Cercei and John Snow/Denerys.

watch what is coming to Cercei, it hasn't occurred to you yet that Jamie is repentant of his sins? Why is he fighting against Cercei now? And, for Jon snow and Denerys, did they know who they were and still did it? How hard it is for you to be honest?

JeromeBlack:
Iyara Greyjoy is a homosexual and she is still standing

It's not over yet, is it? Besides, gets their judgment here while some live out their lives with their evils to face their maker at last. A sinner may commit his/he sinners a hundred times a day, yet his days be prolonged, but ..., there's an end to all men, and the judge of all the earth shall be waiting at the end of the road.

JeromeBlack:
My born again christian bro, stop watching game of thrones. Its overall message is not about being good. It is about being both strong and smart...survival of the fittest

My arrogant, ignorant atheist bro, I will watch GOT to the end because what I see playing out there you don't see.

Everything abt GOT is how our world is. The greed and the clamour of those who think themselves strong and smart. The vile and animal nature in men who feel they can trample on the weak, the blood thirstiness of power, the neglect of the good justice virtue. But, at last, good triumphs over evil.


Logic boy, open your eyes and see, no matter how much evil swells, it shall not prevail. U know why? In this Life, God is alive in the living and the good.

Satan and whatever represents him shall never, never prevail over God and those who represent Him.


Yes, before Judgement day, both the good and the bad dies, but when we all shall resurrect, which we shall, the difference shall show.

Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

Janosky:
Are you so daft?
"The pyramid symbols & OTHERS."
You no dey understand English?
Shepherd:" Are you this blatant in lying?"
You LIED ooo !

Oya answer the question you dodge:
Who did Jesus Christ say he is?
Matt 16:13-17 . Rev 3:5,12,14,21.

Hey, Mr. You won't succeed in shifting the goal post here.

Who used the Pyramid, the cross and crown symbol before the Freemasons? You claimed Charles Tass Russel wasn't a cultist because those symbols predates the Freemasons, pls kindly name those who used the symbols long before the Masons.


This is not about who the Lord Jesus is, is about Charles and him being a cultist

Janosky:
Shepherd of falsehood, there's NOTHING HIDDEN about the origin of the cross and other symbols which predate Freemasonry.
This is the Information Age , go and cure your bigotry.
Stop deluding yourself with your bigoted mindset.

When you finish that "home work" and share what you found out for here. We can proceed to discuss other points in your post.

Why shd I be the one to.do it? Here you are defending Watch Tower, but I shd be the one to help You with the information, why?

Pls tell the world which people or the organization which used those symbols before the Knight Templars whom everyone knows were Freemasons.

If your little god ' Charles Tass Russell' wasn't flying the flag of his brotherhood, prove it instead standing here without shame telling me to do your work.


I call Tass a cultist and an atheist.

paxonel:
if i were you i will keep my opinion to myself and stop jumping into a thread to call people names like pax .

People who saw the thread and overlooked it are never fools. I do not expect anyone to jump in and comment anyhow, you have to think very well before you do that.
Because

truthful comments can be easily identified only when one is able to link his truth logically and constructively to some other truth that are known,

you dont expect everyone especially in africa to do that, hence few people are commenting on this thread.

He isnt saying he has bought my idea of the gospel, infact he does not need it and i dont even want him or you to understand it.

But those who are going through the thread, atleast some people among them are getting what i am saying without making a comment, and it is something they will go back and look at their bible again and have a second thought.

And know that, paul the apostle was very logical and constructive thats why he was boldly outspoken.
But today christians, how can you be boldly outspoken when your truth are full of lies and contraditions?

Pax, you are preaching falsehood, and this is sinning against the Holy Ghost.
Anyone who falsify the Word of God is a thieve before God because you stealing from people what shd bring them light.

You will answer.

I have no time for foolishness. enjoy your falsehood

live4dgospel:
Okay please read this ebook to know about the gospel of the water and the Spirit the Lord gave to us. Click on the link here to download (2MB) only /paulp_en1D

I am a Christian like you why direct me to read a book instead of the Bible?

Have you heard that we shd not believe any other gospel other than the Bible?

Pls briefly tell me which Gospel is the gospel of water and spirit.

Janosky:
Shepherd00 baseless assumptions and conjectures. You are wrong 100%. .

Why am I not surprised?

Janosky:
I wrote:
"The cross symbolism, the pyramid symbols & OTHERS..."

You are blinded by sentiments , therefore, you've sacrificed objectivity.

Who did Jesus say he is ?
Matt16:13-17.
As usual ,you're fond of making spurious claims.

Are you this blatant in lying? The Cross goes with the Crown, but you mentioned the crown and left out the cross, hoping a carefree reader wld miss that, but here you are trying to spin a web.

Poor you.

Janosky:
If objectivity & solid facts are of importance to you, your first question above is an assignment for you.
Go and do your home work.

In other words, you can't try it because you'd find your organization steeped into occultism.

Janosky:
** in the past, before the 1930s, JWs held to certain beliefs which were NOT scriptural. For examples, Christmas, Cross etc.
That watchtower photo was from that time.

Hahahahahahaha. This is your excuse? This is so lame.

At what point did Watch Tower decided that Jesus was a god?

Janosky:
In the past, people of the ancient world thought the earth was flat but today we know better.
The Truth is constant but we MUST dig deeper to find it.

So, when Charles preached that Jesus was crucified on a Cross, he didn't know what he was saying but later changed his mine when he found that truth that He died of stake?

Like you said, I think Charles taught to hide his affiliation with the Freemasonry by trying to hide the Cross symbol, only, it had been crested into the Watch Tower before then.


JW is a materialistic movement which deep down is atheistic.

JeromeBlack:
Interesting.

But let's take a deep philosophical dive:

What is dead may never die. The Night king is already dead. A zombie. Arya might have stopped him but at what cost?

The Night king killed a lot of her people. Destroyed her home (winterfell). And he has left her defenceless against cercei lannister.

A pyrrhic victory.


By the way, why are you watching game of thrones? Isn't it too much for your born again Christianity? The incest, ra.pe, homosexuality, brutality and so on?

As you watch GOTs what do you see? Good prevailing over evil, all kinds of evil. When it all comes down, be sure to count how many incestuous people, how many homosexuals, how many rapists will be standing.

Evil, no matter how Ominous it seems, can never overcome good.

live4dgospel:
While it is not yet late everyone should believe in the gospel of the water and the Spirit. Order the NLM books for free by visiting www.bjnewlife.org

Which one be the gospel of the water and spirit again?

paxonel:
A lot of christians think that certain verses of matthew 24 was referring to rapture, but when you look at the scripture properly or read between the lines, you will discover that rapture was never the case. For instance, these scriptures were mere figure of speeches or parables which actually meant what will happen when Jesus was coming to die for the sins of mankind 2000 years ago, not what will happen in our future as rapture.
Because at the end of the parable, Jesus categorically says "this generation shall not pass(referring to the generation of israel at that time, 2000 years ago, not today.) until all these things be fulfulled


Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Now dont mistaken this to be coming in the clouds of heaven, it is a parable and it means HEAVEN ON EARTH or put it this way, God's kingdom on earth.
If you read other parables of jesus and relate it, Jesus described Gods kingdom using events of humans on earth. (Matt 13:24, matt 13:31 & 33).
So the clouds of heaven there literally means activities of humans on earth like sowing seeds, leaven hidden in bread, investing money as shown in the parable of talent (money)

Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Sound of the trumpet here in another parable :it literally means using trumpet as a means to notify and call people to become Jesus disciples in those days (2000 years ago before jesus was crucified).
The elect there, refers to Jesus disciples or followers.

It also occurred to me that the sound of the trumpet here has nothing to do with the sound of the trumpet in 1 cor 15:52 and 1 thes 4:16. They are not the same event

Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
You see what i am talking about ?
Everything prophesied here in this matthew 24 have been fulfilled in that generation (2000 years ago).
The trumpet sounded that generation(people were called by trumpet to follow christ that generation and be his disciples),so. It has already been fulfilled

Now look at this one that got me thinking

Matt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field(referring to people of that generation 2000 years ago, not today or our future) the one shall be taken, and the other left.
2000 years ago before jesus was crucified, there was the situation where two people working in the field were called to follow christ and be among his disciples, one obeyed the call and became part of jesus disciples and the other rejected the call and was left behind.
Matthew 4:22And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.
That means, their father was left behind while they were taken.

What are we saying in all these?
The idea that rapture is going to take place in our current day future is a big scam.
It all happened and was filled 2000 years ago, that generation did not pass until all those things mentioned in matthew 24 was fillfilled.

In other words Jesus lied about His return to earth? and Apst Paul also lied abi?

Sunnyshinylight:
By his grace, we will organise a teaching section for you and enlightening you about now and the future by the Holy Ghost

Pls, stop wasting your time on Pax, he is spiritually dead. You've not observed you are the only one responding to him?

He tries very hard to preach a gospel he knows nothing abt.

Janosky:
It's very logical for Shepherd of falsehood to agree with a proven peddler of lies.
Liars , I hail you wella

Who is peddling falsehood, Watch Tower which you believe more than the Bible or me? Sorry Man, you are wrong.

Janosky:
The crown symbolism , the pyramid symbols & others
" these symbols under discussion used are NOT EXCLUSIVE TO MASONRY but predates the fraternity"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell


Mr Liar, you no dey tire?

You only mentioned the Crown but passed off the Cross, why?

See how you have been deceived into worshipping satan and denying who Christ really is? Repent and receive Jesus Christ as your Lord before it gets too late.

All of a sudden Janosky is quiet?

Liar, he is not a pastor.

krissconnect:
Stupid things happening everyday in the name of religion. I dont really blame atheists, situations like this can make you rethink about religion

If only you knew that atheists are Satan's kids already.

Shouldn't you have pointed to where the Lord Jesus told them to do that?

The things I hear and see happening in Churches today(?).



Lord Jesus, I think you just Sidon dey watch as Satanists dey use your name play? ha.

We are going to die and meet Him anyways.

Janosky:
The crown symbolism , the pyramid symbols & others
" these symbols under discussion used are NOT EXCLUSIVE TO MASONRY but predates the fraternity"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell


Mr Liar, you no dey tire?

You are beginning to sound like a scratched disc, shouting liar lair, but here you are blatantly lying. You mean the symbols which the Templars used predated them?

Pls draw us back to who used those symbols before the Templars.

And, what is a Cross doing in Watch Tower? Didn't Charles say Jesus was killed on a stake not a Cross?

I"m waiting.