₦airaland Forum

9jacrip:
This is why I avoid APC and PDP threads, they never make any sense to me because they're both doing the same things - trying to sell their parties not to sell good life to the masses. The political jobbers will never discuss how their party members are not poorly performing, accruing debts and abandoning projects.

SWest folks shout how SEast governors mismanage their allocations not knowing worse is happening in our own backyard.

I don't know what can be done; the percentage of the population sucked into the political party hysteria is higher than the percentage of realists like you.

We need a revolution - these folks are accursed bastards.

They're running Yoruba states like a broke heifer who borrows money to celebrate owanbe parties. And these are plonkers they call technocrats? - they're a waste of human flesh.

At least SEern govs, despite how useless they're, aren't running their states into massive holes with debts. Even with Lagos, what's there to show for the ridiculous debt profile? Ogun? Oyo? Ondo? I won't even talk about Osun and Ekiti cos they have thrown both states into the bottomless pit.

I want to hear their excuse - utter useless monkeys.

veraponpo:
It is not the debt that is the problem but the inability of the governors to raise IGR and reduce their recurrent expenditure.

It is not the debt but how to manage it.

We call it Leverage or Gearing in Financial Parlance.

How can you even raise the IGR to create a balance when the recurrent expenditure alone is already running you into a hole?

And who's borrowing these mofos money when they know they don't have capacity to pay it back?

Ritchiee

According to the stat you posted.

Lagos is indebted by N1 trillion, while the FG has N6 trillion.

How the fvck did that happen?

9jacrip:
Until the reality hits everyone, folks won't realize they need to stop kowtowing to the ApC or PdP BS. All the SWest politicians and those who tout them online should be lynched.

I fear for the future of the region though.

That's why I don't post to these accursed political jobbers - they're selling away their own future and the future of their kids for a plate of porridge. The Passingshiit of this world and his amala brain and ar3sa the heifer stuck on Tinubu's balls like pubic hair. I despise these vacuous miscreants.

They have destroyed Yorubaland. I honestly don't know how these states can be salvaged with how they have mismanaged everything. I've never seen a case where recurrent expenditure alone is higher than revenue - never!

It's just basically earning £2000 monthly, and spending £3000 - what type of fvcked up life is that? Who does that?

zimoni:
You've said it all Duke.

Our SW governors are useless and shameless. Fashola kept borrowing till he left office, yet most of the capital projects which he borrowed for were not completed. Truth is, the IGR and allocation from FG are not in proportion with what is on ground.

The useless Tinubu did not help matter either, he never cautioned the useless governors to stop borrowing so far they are paying their monthly dues. The bastards have mortgaged the future of SW states with debts.

Fashola as far as I'm concerned is an over-hyped achiever. He left hundreds of billions of debt for the Clueless Fat Boy. It's quite unfortunate we find ourselves in this mess.

All the states in SW are owing. Imagine osun state owing 52bn.

Too badt.

We really need a new political party in South West.

AD/AC/ACN/APC and PDP have failed us. FACT.

That's exactly when I'm scared for Fashola for taking two massive portfolios. Anyone who followed his tenure in Lagos closely - without the world class branding, publicity, and media campaign - would know that Fashola is overrated. Then again Lagos is overpopulated and effective governance is impossible in that state. Anyway, that's his problem - it won't be long before those singing his praise start cursing him out. Like a wise man once said, "the mouth they praise you with would be the one they'll curse you with".

I believe that's why these folks want the huge and unnecessary population in Lagos to mask their incompetence. With all the assets in the state, you don't need that huge population for maximise IGR, if well managed. But Lagos is out of it cos they can always tout the IGR vis-a-vis the debts to save face. But the debt is just too freaking much.

As for the rest of the SW - they have finished Yorubaland. So these mofos are running the states on a deficit from recurrent expenditure alone? They all need to be stripped nak3d and whipped like the Ondo youths did the fraudulent Eze. Tinubu and his minions have finished Yorubaland. Who'll pay back all these debts?

There are no welfare programmes in these states, so why is the recurrent expenditure that enormous?

jstbeinhonest:
Its something they can reform without much ado.Simply retire all workers above 55 and those that have worked for up to 20yrs.

I don't think that will solve the problem. I think all these states have a man-made black hole created by those governors to loot money cos no sensible administrator would be running a state with a recurrent expenditure that's higher than the revenue the state generates. It doesn't make sense. If they're actually borrowing money to build projects that will generate revenue, then it's understandable.

These folks can't run a business, else they'll run it into the ground. They're useless. Effing loafers and a disgrace to humanity. All of them including their head honcho and his frog face.

jstbeinhonest:
The debts are NOT the problem,SS-the most vaible region according to the stat-occupies 6 out of the first 9 most indebted states.The problem is that,our workforce(salaries) are too much for our meagre monthly allocation.

The debts are a big problem. SS states are rich states and they have the luxury to acquire debts. These Yoruba states don't get that much, what are they doing with such debts, when they have nothing to show for it?

Anyway, the biggest problem there is the ability of states to meet recurrent expenditure. All Yoruba states, except Lagos, are being run on budget deficit, with recurrent expenditure alone - and that's without capital expenditure. So how are these states thriving then?

These folks are the biggest rogues ever. We need new leaders and a new party. Why some of them haven't made the forbes list is a mystery to me.

jstbeinhonest:
The debts are NOT the problem,SS-the most vaible region according to the stat-occupies 6 out of the first 9 most indebted states.The problem is that,our workforce(salaries) are too much for our meagre monthly allocation.

Tinubu and his minions are rogues, including the other clown from Ondo. That is what I will say for now - I will let others deliberate on it.

jstbeinhonest:
Did you guys see the sustainability index of SW,on a topic that made FP.If those stats are true,which i blive,then thats shameful.SW govs need to cut down the civil service workforce.While their IGR is ok,they are spending TOO MUCH!! on recurrent expenditure.If they continue this way we'll run bankrupt.

#ThoseStatsHaveSpoiltMyMood.

Lol.

That is why I don't get involved in the useless APC and PDP nonsense cos those fvckers are birds of a feather - utter useless folks.

All those governors mismanaged and destroyed Yoruba states. Like seriously, who is going to pay all the debts?

The Igbo ones, despite being useless and not erecting anything in that gully erosion land, they still managed to stay away from debts.

What is in Osun, Ogun, Oyo, and Ekiti to show for the huge debt profiles? Even Lagos as well? They are just useless.

Ibebe:
@the bolded

My previous post mention that blacks must responsibility for their backwardness too.

Cool.

Ibebe:
The whites must never be absolved of their involvement in Africa and in the black history. And blacks must take responsibility for their lack of development or lack of attempt to rise from the ashes.

You can't talk of history and then neglect some of its milestones.

As per African history/Africans...... no excuse. Are you telling me there's no african (i.e Nigerian ) history in Africa's curriculums?

Obviously, we can't absolve white for the role they played and are still playing. However, what about the things we are guilty of individually and collectively? Things no one is stopping us from doing?

Is the white man responsible for folks who don't know who they're but spend most of their time trying to find out about who the white man is and are supporting the white man willingly to their own collective detriment?

Ibebe:
Do not absolve white from blame because 1) slaves built up America (the cotton industry) 2) African resources built UK/Europe.

So they can't wash the blood off their hands. However, Africans should share some of the blame and whilst we do so, we should endeavor to build our continent.

This has absolutely nothing to do white folks but more to do with willing self-hating coons and perpetual slaves. Even the white man is interested in African history, hence you see a lot of them across Africa doing scholarships. Or did the white man force anyone to leave his/her history in the dustbin of history - for sucking his uncircumcised schlong (no homo)?

Chinese history is compulsory in China. Japanese history is compulsory in Japan. Who is holding Africans back from educating themselves about their own history? Please, the average African is just mentally lazy and our existence is about making up numbers and showboating everywhere.

Once you live around something and you lack the mental/intellectual curiosity to decipher and use it to ya advantage - you have no excuse whatsoever.

Ibebe:
You're right. There's no excuse whatsoever, but before we can blame Yoruba governors, let's think about the school curriculums. Is it federal regulated or state regulated?

Neither the north nor the SS have history classes pertaining to their tribe. It's because of this one Nigerian nonsense. It's taking a lot from us.

9jacrip, please help us shed light on the sentence in bold.

Africans are just lazy and you can't always blame everything on white folks. At least, they're the ones discovering a lot of hidden histories/treasures/artefacts across Africa - excavating places and telling us our own history their Eurocentric ways. Without them, we wouldn't even know about a lot of things.

African Americans are also another group at the forefront of telling African history. Without African American academics, a lot of us won't even know much about black Africa and what it achieved in the past. Someone like Prof. Chancellor Williams left everything he had in America and moved over to live in Africa for over three decades, collating and doing scholarships about African history.And there are hundreds of folks like him out there. How many Nigerians are that dedicated to knowing who they're? Are these folks interested in knowing who they're and what/where their ancestors walked? These folks don't care and I doubt they will ever be interested. So why bother?

9jacrip:
Shymm3x ti pami

Lol.

The truth is always bitter.

Ibebe:
How can people have interest in something that wasn't readily available or provided as an opportunity?

This is why I'd prefer a hegemonic Yoruba nation without interference from other tribes.

1. What's the purpose of foreigners learning Yoruba when there's no environment in Nigeria to cultivate their interest? Imagine coming to Yorubaland for study abroad.

2. Having our own country will encourage Yoruba festival/ curriculum/Yoruba day/everything Yoruba. Right now, the sw can't enforce that because of the whole "One Nigeria" nonsense.

What's stopping the state governors from making Yoruba history a compulsory subject from primary to secondary sch level?

And what's also stopping adults who take time out to read other people's history and other irrelevant junk from reading their own history?

No excuse whatsoever. Some folks were just sired to be self-hating coons and perpetual slaves stuck on the white man's nuts.

Ibebe:
If SW wants a Yoruba history course in a Yoruba, even the west can't stop it.


if western nations can adopt Yoruba language courses in their University/Grade school curriculums, what's their business with Yoruba history courses?

Unless you'e talking about Northerners.

Not saying they can/will stop it. But are the people going to be interested in it?

You have got folks who will easily post gazillion of pages of propaganda and pseudo-history on here, but ask them to post the history of their village, the same village they were born and raised in, and they will go ghost.

The average African is a whitewashed coon. That was what I was alluding to.

Sorry house, we're just discussing hiphop as Yoruba sons.

9jacrip:
When telling a story, you should not be super duper lyrical but then you should be able to get your listeners to get pictures of the story in their head.

Either you drop lines to wow folks as a rapper or you get listeners nodding to your paint brush in their heads.

I'm talking how Biggie, Nas did it - which is seen in how J Cole now does it.

Verses from Joe Budden off 'The way you loved me track'

[b]

Verse 1

First off let me shout out the fam, y'all so gracious
Been chilling in the room for growth, it's so spacious
Getting to the money, counting these old faces
Like I found the smoking gun in cold cases (nah)
Them dark thoughts never got to 'em still
I'm like the legendary Robin Will
Even though I understand I never dealt with the pain like that
A knot from that same rope, but I don't hang like that
We had a couple break-ups - gotta respect Cause and I'll hit the reset button
You try to reset Budden, it's real
My accomplishments, already show 'em how I deal with the consequence
And you can ask Consequence
She reached out via text, like "what up with the guy?"
Which is weird, it's been a year since we fraternized
Still I made my way back in her life
Only to prove to myself I wouldn't Bleep up twice
We reminiscing, thinking hella back
You had to watch me with her, but to hell with that
Cause I think that me carrying that thought kinda washed me with her
And even that's cool, cause me and you is not me and her
I took a little hiatus, hope you could see the change
I was too high to say this, how could I explain?
Thought my mouth was quiet, my mind was like a Ferguson riot
Why it only get worse when I'm in private
Were we victims to the game, trying to do it over
Here's the gift for an exchange
It's timeout for the public these niggas won't know a thing
So we keep each other blocked on Twitter, it's not a game
Like a picture in a frame for now
Drunk models, couple Swishers and a stack here [/b]

Story telling should have one glued, the lows and the peak.


I pray Joe Budden never stops rapping.

But Biggie was more of a rhymer and a story teller than a super-duper lyrical guy with crazy metaphors and multi-syllables words tho. I can post gazillion of Nas' verses where he kept it super simple/basic just to tell a story, but I'll pick a verse from "Surviving the time". J. Cole wasn't even super-lyrical in his best song on Forest Hill Drive called "No role modelz" - and Joe Budden just always overdo it, hence it's very easy to get lost when listening to him. You have to be able to mix it and get folks to relate to certain things easily, that's the beauty of rap music.

Let me give you short verses from lyrical legends where they kept it simple to tell a story:

Nas (Surviving the times)
I'm with Akinyele in the street, trying to get us a deal/
G Rap tried to get us to sign to Cold Chill/
But Fly Ty didn't have the contract we wanted/
Clark Kent just signed Das, he didn't want us/
Russell said I sounded like G, the nyggah fronted/
Reef and Matty C offered me a little money/
Shiit a little funny, feel a little laughter/
Rebel of Hip-Hop coming through a white rapper

J. Cole (No role models)
I want a real love, dark skinned Aunt Viv love/
That Jada and that Will love/
That leaves a toothbrush at your crib love/
And you ain't gotta wonder whether that's your kid love
Nyggah I don't want no biitch from reality shows/
Out-of-touch-with-reality ho.es/
Out in Hollywood, bringin' back 5 or 6 ho.es
Fvck em then we kick em to the do', nyggah you know how it go


Jay Z (Hardknock life)
I don't know how to sleep, I gotta eat, stay on my toes/
Gotta a lot of beef, so logically, I prey on my foes/
Hustling's still inside of me, and as far as progress/
you'd be hard-pressed, to find another rapper hot as me/
I gave you prophecy on my first joint, and y'all lamed out/
Didn't really appreciate it, till the second one came out


Big Pun (It's so hard)
Rollin with the Squad, we like gods/
Catch us at the bar-de-bar-de-bars/
Strip bars in Miami, almost came home with the Grammy/
Next year, bringing home three for the family/
Watch me, you can catch it live on the Hitachi/
Poppin shiit like a Nazi, iced out like DeBiase
Fvck that, Liberace/
F.o.x Versace, somebody stop me


I can go on and on. That's why I'm not a fan of Eminem. The art of storytelling needs simplicity sometimes, so folks can relate. I was going to post legendary verses from Jadakiss and Styles P cos no one can paint better pictures than these two when they're telling stories. But I'll stop here for now.

9jacrip:
I'm sorry sir but that verse right there is very basic.

No word play and in fact, his story telling ability is poor (maybe he makes up for this with delivery).

No wonder his reach hasn't expanded mucH.

It's not basic cos he was telling a story. You don't have to be super-duper lyrical when telling a story - it's just how you tell it.

Let me throw a verse considered to be one of the greatest, if the not the greatest verse ever in hiphop there and you'll see that it looks basic as well - but the story the verse tells is super-deep.

AZ's verse for "Life's a biitch" off Nas' legendary illmatic album:

Visualizing the realism of life in actuality/
Fvck who's the baddest, a person's status depends on salary/
And my mentality is money-orientated/
I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it/
Cos yeah, we were beginners in the hood as 5 Percenters/
But something must've got in us cause all of us turned to sinners/
Now some resting in peace and some are sittin' in San Quentin/
Others such as myself are tryna carry on tradition/
Keeping this Schweppervescence street ghetto essence inside us/
Cause it provides us with the proper insight to guide us/
Even though we know somehow we all gotta go/
But as long as we leaving thievin'/
We'll be leavin' with some kind of dough, so/
Until that day we expire and turn to vapors/
Me and my capers will be somewhere stackin' plenty papers/
Keeping it real, packing steel, getting high/
Cos life's a biiitch and then you die

N.B: Schweppervescence isn't a big vocab - it's a street slang for simplicity/simple from how you'll opt for soda schweppes in the club if you want to keep it simple.

9jacrip:
I guess we all have different listening patterns.

For me, just one line takes me or breaks me off on my first listen.

I mostly check for the brilliance in just one verse or bar before I bother about a whole song or discography in entirety.

Personally, I just watch out for verses I can relate to and how brilliant the person is when it comes to putting words together.

Let me use Jay Rock as an example. The first time I heard his tune about bloods, I wasn't really feeling him. Then when he released "All my life" - I just locked in from there based on these lyrics, cos I can relate:

I was on the block right, wasn't in my right mind/
Just a young nyggah, hustlin', tryna get mines/
Movin' with the 9 double m/
Nyggahs like "You don't really wanna fvck with him"/
Yeah, young teenager, infatuated with paper/
Yeah I had to get it, cos momma, she wasn't able/
Black and white TV set, no cable/
Forties in the fridge, chicken noodles on the table/
I wasn't born with a silver spoon/
Child of the ghetto, raised off a different tune/
Watchin' Bob Barker in my living room/
If "The Price Was Right", I could get you a whole living room/
Yeah, them was my gutter ways back in the gutter days

Aareonakakanfo:
Na waooo.But I'll still put a bulk of the blame on we ourselves

The information is not out there.You have to dig in deep

This is the first time I'm reading about this to be honest

Why should I have to get to page 15 of Google search to find knowledge about my own people

It's just the problem with Africa and utter poor governance, and the lack of understanding on how history/culture/tradition and education must be intertwined for the mind to grow and for proper development.

How many archaeologists/anthropologists of Nigerian origin are in Nigeria? Apart from African Americans, the majority of folks interested in our history are white folks. And they're the ones out there excavating everything to know who we're. So whatever they say is golden.

9jacrip:
If an artist doesn't kidnap me from the first hearing even if on a feature, I don't bother myself ever again.

I've listened to some of those artists you mentioned but bruh

You have to listen to their better tunes first, create an interest, before trying out their other joints.

After that, they'll start growing on you. Even with Wale, I had the opportunity of listening to his "Nike Boots" (classic tune) in 2007, before becoming a proper fan. Before that, I wasn't really feeling his first tune on hiphopgame back in the day and he already had a buzz back then. I'm talking about 05/06 when I just got into college.

That's the same for every artist, hence we all get drawn to them after listening to their hit records.

Aareonakakanfo:
Hmmmmn 9jacrip/Shymm3x true talk!

But what can we do about the issue of waiting for reds to cosign us?

We Yorubas especially

What steps do we need to take?

I once suggested the idea of making Yoruba history compulsory in South-west schools

There's nothing we can do.

We live in the era of western civilisation and they are the ones who control everything.

Can't you see how they treat Africa like their tube-baby, with a lot of black slaves worshipping and licking their arses?

They have to cosign us for our own people to like it.

tupacshakur:
I'm not saying your woman might have played on you o, but trust me, these females can't be trusted.

Ever heard of Hymenorrhaphy and vaginal rejuvenation? Advanced, gynaecological ones dey, local ones sef dey.

You go fucck toto finish, see blood, thinking you have deflowered her, meanwhile, she don reconstruct and renovate the toto for you.

Gangsta! Gangsta!! Gangsta!!!

And the legend of Tupacshakur strikes again.

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9jacrip:
I didn't know you were coming from this angle, it flew past my head for a minute.

Hip-hop to me in this era is utter BS. You either make stripper music/booty clapping song or you make the Future type of 'rap' music. Funny how pill popping and codeine sipping can create a sub-genre under Hip-Hop .

These chicks promote misogynist songs and when males begin to treat them as such, they begin to brandish feminism.

I don't even bother about the artists of this era asides Wale, Kendrick and J. cole.

Thank God for Tical's 'Meth Lab' and Redman's new work. I mostly listen to works from way back, the 90s.

Just yesterday, I DL'd Eric Sermon's 'Erick Sermon's Perception'. Straight hip-hop.

I feel like I'm going off the thread's theme.

Loool.

Women for you right there. They love the misogynist tunes and can recite the lyrics word for word.

But turn around and start blaming guys for being misogynistic.

Apart from Wale, Kendrick, and J. Cole - Schoolboy Q, Absoul, Jay Rock, Fashawn, Vince Staples, Vic Mensa, and Joey Bada$$’ are also decent.

Cool.

DollyParton1:
Nope. Its ok. I am contented with the money, fame and connection that comes with being one of his numerous wives.

As for the young blood, one word:- Gigolos (emphasis on the s)

Goddamn! Looool!

Yoruba chics and money are siamese twins. I seldom meet a Yoruba chic who doesn't like money/expensive-lifestyle. And when they can't get it, they create a fake reality for themselves by mouthing off about things they'll only be able to afford in their dreams. A lot of them don't even know how to chase these things. While chasing money/lifestyle, they always end up buying a big dream from dream sellers.

The real smart chics that get these things don't chase them. They get on the pursuit of happiness train, and these things get added to them cos all the glitters isn't gold and the real bad boys move in silence.

The typical young blood isn't a gigolo - he's just there to give the chics what they want. And chics just wanna have fun.

9jacrip:
As usual, we wait till the whiteman or whiteman's institution tells us whatever we have is right before we take it to be right.

Didn't the Ibadan school of history bring the relevance of oral tradition to the fore as a solid source for history writing?

I'm unshaken and uninterested in this post really.

But that's our reality in today's world - sad but the truth.

If the white man doesn't cosign us, how will folks think we're doing the right thing?

There are over 100 million folks worldwide practising Yoruba religions, but how many Yorubas care about the Yoruba religions?

You just have to let those who value what we have, who aren't black, keep spreading the message.

I absolutely enjoyed the debate about Osun. And may God bless Aareonakakanfo for creating this wonderful thread.

At least those of us who don't really know can learn from the posts of folks who know what's going on, without the toxic partisan crap on this forum. This is like a town hall meeting to discuss the plight of the people and rate governance and I'm loving it.

Hopefully, Ogun, Oyo, Ekiti, Ondo, Kwara, Kogi, and Lagos folks will also talk about their respective states and their governors.

Anyway, is there an plan to build a financial centre in Ibadan? I saw a thread about a proposed financial centre in Ogun state last year, but I don't know that update on that. Ditto the Ondo state Free Trade Zone. Any updates?

9jacrip:
I think people still vibed to it and I don't think it wouldn't have been bigger in any other year than it is now anyways.

Yes. But this era is crazy - only tunes for strippers and calling women out for their BS are winning.

And the ironic thing about it is that: women are the ones supporting these tunes cos women make tunes become hit songs.

Shyte, the first time I heard Chris Brown's "Loyal" it was a chic that brought me in. Ditto a lot of other tunes calling women out.

Wale made a tune that should've been top-10 tunes this year called "Matrimony" (definitely my top-5 bangers this year) and the tune never really got that many hits. That just exemplifies this era.

tupacshakur:


LWKMD @ Bottomless pit!

That pit has put a lot of Niggers out there in deep $hit!

The stupefying power of that pit is undoubtedly inestimable.

Looool.

The pit that sent forth humanity into existence. O ye, the great pit and the creator of humanity.

The pit makes the world go round and made the world a woman's world.

That's why we all (most of us cos a new type of man has been created that's a behindbased legend/goon/bandit lool) love women.

BTT:
Everyone is protecting her economy. So are we.

Lol.

Who gave you the right to protect ya economy against the almighty dollar?

Better play ball, else bombs are coming.