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Culture / Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by SirNewtonNG: 9:34am On Jun 30, 2023
Removing Oba and putting sir is the funniest and corniest thing ever. When did "Sir" become a yoruba word grin. You'll go to any length you miserable inferiority complex individuals to revise things to suit your battered ego. Oba is who they are. That's the word for kings. That's why Oba goes before their names.

You're talking trash omonoba nedo and Oba of benin means the same thing. "Oba of benin" is the English iteration like i said, i don't understand what you're trying to do, once again a bini when he can't counter will make things up and hope it sticks. Even officially today it's Omonobanedo, Oba Ewuare 2 Oba is not a short form for omonoba nedo. Oba is a stand alone word and meaning eni ti O ba(the one who reigns) however the word can be used to maker larger words like Omonobanedo meaning " the child the king of edo" and usually used as a prefix or even suffix as wellit's like omo, omo is a word of its one usually a prefix that can be used to make other larger words.

The benin dictionary contribute by benin elders makes it clear the word Oba is of Yoruba etymological origin meaning it can only be broken down in yoruba language.

There's also many evidences of yoruba kings being referred to as Oba for as long as possible which is literally the Yoruba language equivalent of King in English. If you're bold i dare you to ask me

Thebadpolitican:



For example
Ooni ife, Oba sir Ogunwusi Ojaja II
Alaafin oyo, Oba sir Adeyemi III
Omonoba nedo, Oba Ewuare II
Olowo owo, Oba sir Ogunoye

This was how it was before 1930 when the then ooni adopted oba in replacement to sir...

It is omo n' oba of benin > in benin omo n'oba nedo ( this is the actual short form of the benin title)

The English version is OBA of benin king ovaramen

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Culture / Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by SirNewtonNG: 9:54am On Jun 29, 2023
I'm fully convinced some of you are insane grin Someone's brain is so damaged by inferiority complex he sat down to imagine this nonsense and actually believes it to be true. Seek mental help

samuk:


Whilst the Ooni and Alaafin were fighting dirty in public, they created what they call ancient burial sites for Oba of Benin in Ife. Oba of Benin is the only one amongst them with such honour. Although the so called burial pit was excavated by the Europeans that were not convinced about the story and found no remain of human bones, which confirmed what they already suspected.

It was because of European suspicious of the story that made them excavated the site. The Europeans have previously documented Benin history for centuries and couldn't find any connection with Ife. They felt their intelligence was being insulted with the Ife fairytale and they investigated and found no connection between Benin and Ife that can be backed up by history.

You can see that Ife and Oyo doesn’t even speak the same language according to the Alaafin in that article you posted. The common language thing was Oyo's contribution to the western region unification arrangement I talked about earlier.

Whenever Dr Egharevba is quoted in Benin, the Benin nobles usually laugh at the person's ignorance. You can Google the Esogban's reply to the late Ooni when the Ooni quoted Dr Egharevba during the public disagreement on Benin/Ife connection between late oba Erediawa and late Ooni.

If not for the fact that Awolowo introduced tribalism and the yoruba are over zealous plus the need to preserve Benin authentic history, there would have been no need to reveal the Ife fairytale.

1. The oba of Benin contributed his centuries old history and got back a very senior role being the chosen heir to Oranmiyan and Oduduwa. The Oba of Benin also got special ancient burial site created for his ancestors, he his the only one amongst them to have such in Ife.

2. Ooni contributed Ife as the centre of migration of everyone and got a lesser role of chief priest.

3. Alaafin contributed the common language and also got a senior role as the second son of Oranmiyan.

The story started with Oranmiyan leaving Ife to Benin, he couldn’t stay, but didn't leave until he ensured he left a pregnant Benin princess behind to give birth to Oba Eweka 1. After Oranmiyan ensured his dynasty will continue in Benin, he left for Oyo were he became the Alaafin, he had a second son that carried on as Alaafin. In Oranmiyan's absent from Ife, the Ooni was in charge of the gods and deity as chief priest.

As with all this kind of arrangements, someone is bound to become greedy...in this case the Ooni backed up by western political class such as Awolowo and a result, things fell apart and Benin moved out of the western region.

This revelation is why most yoruba avoid threads like this nowadays, unlike before.

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Culture / Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by SirNewtonNG: 10:54am On Jun 28, 2023
Shut it my friend.

Oba isn't a title, it's a word meaning the one who reigns/rule. O(The one) -Ba(Rules/Reign) the same Ba is reflected in Baale of small towns and Baale(Head of the home).

Omonobanedo is the title of the oba of benin. "Oba of benin" is a recent nomineer and its a british/euroepan thing because the people refer to their king as Oba as Oba is the yoruba word for king which had entered benin lexicon, "of" is an English word and benin is a portuguese corruption of Ubini/Ubinu. Like all Yoruba monarchs their unique titles comes before the town they rule after the common noun or title for kings which is who they are coming just before their names.

For example
Ooni ife, Oba Ogunwusi Ojaja II
Alaafin oyo, Oba Adeyemi III
Omonoba nedo, Oba Ewuare II
Olowo owo, Oba Ogunoye

Link to the official benin dictionary where Oba is clearly shown to be of yoruba origin.. https://archive.org/details/MelzianAConciseDictionaryOfTheBiniLanguageOfSouthernNigeria1937/page/n165/mode/2up

Thebadpolitican:



Ugbe I have told you severally go and read the works of Gregyboy everything you seek for is up there

Are you aware that that edo state was once in the western region if you remember or you read your history books correctly then you shouldn't be asking why some yoruba idols are found in benin

The idol like ogboni was introduced to the edos when we were in the western region politician in the western region had to belong to this confraternity to gain power and influence, again ogboni its an oyo idol not ife another bubble to burst your ife myth before you start thinking your oromiyan shit from ife


2) sango, orunmila ifa were introduced to benin by edo returnees from areas what we now call indo and ekiti today, oba eweka 11 ascended the throne in 1914 after the death of his father oba ovaramwen he begged edo merchants chiefs who had been overseeing and exchanging trades in the west before the Benin invasion that brought down the empire and gave rise to the new country Nigeria. to return home to help him rebuild back the destroyed empire caused by the war
Most of the edo families who returned back brought in this foreign idols, they brought in the yoruba names that will hear today in benin


For the title oba

That is an edo title

Your brain they pain you.... undecided ugbe to even think otherwise if you're not disguising as edo

You're saying the oba should also be having ogie as is title like his fellow Duke is that sensible, even in the British monarchy everyone else who is related to the royalty bears duke(enogie) and only the head bears the title king or queen so are you expecting the oba of benin to also bear the word enogie of benin if so then the oba of benin would be as equal with the rest Duke which we know is not possible ....


It's only the yoruba monarchy that they have their original title and then decided to use a generic title for themselves which is absurd and weird for having two titles this can be explained because the title oba doesn't belong to them it entered their lexicon sometime, and they found it fancy and decided to use it for their titles you don't need me to tell you why they loved the name, of course the oba of benin influence over them before the collapse of empire was prominent

This is the absurdity in yoruba title

Let's take owo as example
General title : Oba
Indigenous title is: olowo of owo
The Duke : baale

The only off thing there is the general title oba which they all decided to be incorporating into their original titles after the ooni of ife in 1930 first adopted the world Oba to his title the rest followed


This is how monarchy are structured around the world

Title : oba of benin
Duke : enogie

British :
Title : King
Chiefs : Duke



You want everyone to spoon feed you one of the reason I believe you're yoruba

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Culture / Re: Benin-ife Relationship Explored by SirNewtonNG: 1:56am On Jun 05, 2023
Orhogbua:
Hello Nairalanders my name Tshepo Ajayi i am from Behchuana,My father is NIgerian specifically Bini and Yoruba and My mother from botswana I have always been interested in history in fact I major it in uni and coming from a bini-yoruba background i have a lot of historical heritage from of course these two ethnic groups and my two favourite civilisations are benin and ife and there relationship is something i wish to explore with the knowledge of the nairalanders and of course nigerians in this forum to explore it FULLY

of course these things can get quite tribalistic as i have observed
SO HERE ARE THE RULES

1. NO opinions to be thrown about without proof etc Sources,citations from experts on the subject (but this must also be be sourced) or traditions

2. NO BIGOTRY no bigotry shall be thrown around in this thread no matter how flustered or angry you are KEEP YOUR COMPOSURE yes i am talking about people like TAO11 or gregyboy or davidnazee who attack tribes for a little debate on nairaland

3. If you wish to debunk a statement please use sources and actual proof no emotions or such or stupid opinions

4. Statements are allowed to be made at first but can only be debunked with proof


Now of course i have my opinions with the relationship feel free to debunk with sources NOW these opinions are

1.Ife did not necessarily have a subservient relationship with benin but benin saw ife as a sort of religious site as ife has a strong religious affinity with benin thought benin has many differences in religion with ife

2 I wouldn't go as far to say that Benin was a vassal to ife but ife did have superiority and benin probabaly had ife dominated markets i do believe this ended after the oba ewuare came into power

3 The infamous "Oghene" from portuguese adventures to the itsekiri coast then occupied by benin, my professor (a man versed in african history) doesnt like the way that people use to give validity to kingdoms nearby benin superiority,the information given is iffy at best and details vague, did the portuguese see this process of handing of a brass head and symbols of authority?, or is it a misunderstanding and how did they gather this informatiion,also they never were never at the kings court in benin just near the gates by their description of the place,also where is this transfer in the traditions of benin or ife?

4 No low quality content in the form of none backed sources and of course stupid opinions like benin ruled to "ivory coast!!" and stuff like that










TAO11 Have you seen this thread ma? grin. Someone was scared of you it seems

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Culture / Re: The Yoruba Language Supremacy by SirNewtonNG: 4:23pm On Jan 12, 2023
BanyXchi:
I told you that urchin must be Edo, once he said we should stop trying to claim Itsekiris who are actually part of us, I knew he's a bitter low IQ Edo urchin.. he might be the giddy guy with a new moniker.. He's nothing but a troll, he's not interested in learning, he just wants to troll. Stop engaging the clown.

I agree, when he said bring a text but not translated grin yet he can't translate the original. It was clear it's all a gimmick. He definitely knows the truth and wanted to pull legs. Seeing we are knowledgeable people here he falls short and just has to continue to pretend grin

I doubt he'll be back.

Great work ma! @tao11

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Culture / Re: Highlighting The Ethno-linguistic Groups that Make Up Akoko Ondo by SirNewtonNG: 9:29am On Jan 10, 2023
9jakool:


Maybe in the future when I get some time.

Please sir I've noticed forgotten o. I'm still very much expectant. I like the way you made the one for ondo clear. It'll be nice to know all the sub groups and groups that make up the akoko-edos

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Culture / Re: Some Misconception About Warri And Her People by SirNewtonNG: 12:31pm On Oct 22, 2022
SirNewtonNG:


Hello, I hope you are still active. I'm seeing interesting things here. What book is this?

Just realized the book is comedy and propaganda grin so you mean to tell me the last olu who died in 1848 wanted to overthrow overamwen who was enthrone in like 1888. Joke

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Culture / Re: Some Misconception About Warri And Her People by SirNewtonNG: 10:42am On Oct 22, 2022
evadreams:
so u know

Hello, I hope you are still active. I'm seeing interesting things here. What book is this?

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Culture / Re: Highlighting The Ethno-linguistic Groups that Make Up Akoko Ondo by SirNewtonNG: 10:32am On Oct 20, 2022
9jakool:
Here are some maps of the highlighted area that I created.

The thread and the map is great!! Can you do a breakdown of akoko edo groups too?

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Culture / Re: Oriki - Is There Anything Historical In It For Us? by SirNewtonNG: 5:30am On Oct 19, 2022
MetaPhysical:
Before we go into the Oriki, let's establish first some historical connections.

Ado, Edo, Ido, Odo
These are all Yoruba ancestral words to denote features of settlement in a geo-space.

Originally, Edo (as in Edo people, Edo State) is a class of emigrants in ancestral times. They left Ife and occupied settlement in a new land in the forest. The aborigines of that forest were known as Efa, hunters and gatherers with no recognized rulership or form of civility.

The Edo of today is a political new-entity, on the surface devoid of its Yoruba ancestry but retaining in its roots traces of linkage back to Yoruba.


Ogiso >>> Oba
The ancient Edo settlement was ruled by Chiefs of Ife known as Ogiso. The settlement prospered and expanded and was characterized by constant clashes of interest between the settlers and aborigines. The capital was Igodo.

Yoruba lexicon does not have "gh" sounding words which is common in the Efa lexicon. We also dont have 'z' or 'v'.

Igodo is same as Agodo - shrine!

The Ogisos brought Ife deities to Edo and built shrines for the deities around their metropolis and took the alias Igodomigodo.

At the arrival of Oranmiyan he and his court camped in Use or Uselu.

Place names like Ughoton, Ughelli are in the aborigene language.

Given names like Akenzua are assimilated from Yoruba Akinsua, popularly used in Eastern Yorubaland.

Eweka was born in Uselu and coronated and reigned from there over the aborigene land.

The Kingdom also took a name and was called IBINI. The King at Uselu ruled over Ibini Kingdom. Eventually a new settlement was developed and the King relocated from Uselu to the new capital now called Ibini - later corrupted to Benin.



What is the connection between Republic of Benin and Benin Kingdom?

This relationship pre-dated 1600.

Both thrones at Oyo Ile and Bini belonged to same bloodline and ancestry but separate dynasties.

The greatest threat and opposition to their rulership was from the Empires of Dahomey and Ghana in West as well Songhai in North.

Hausa, Bariba, Nupe and Yoruba were the immediate contact points to those three threats and so Oyo Empire was under great pressure to preserve its rulership.

Oyo's method of warfare was well suited to the Savannah plains and wooded Guinea belt but insufficient and not suited to deterr threats from the forest and sea coast. This is where Bini Kingdom came in.

Bini itself was not a coastal kingdom but it could form alliance with sailors on the coast to put up a defense shield against intruders from Dahomey and or Ghana using vulnerability to invade and destroy Kingdoms in Yorubaland.

Bini created a sea force using alliance with Itsekiri and Ilaje. They created a seabase at Ado.....

Bini had not settled in Eko by this time. They would travel through the creeks from Bini River through Ijebu to Oto to Amuwo all way to Iwida (Whydah, Ouida).

Oto was the seat of Olofin at that time. Oto is also known as Ido.

He would host them on stopover ...kinda like a modern day Bed-and-Breakfast before proceeding on the journey.

The purpose of Bini in Iwida was to setup a fort and a defense shield against intrusion from threats in West.

Oyo had a similar arrangement in North....in Ilorin! Ilorin was a Yoruba Army fort.


It was much later that Olofin advised that if the fort in Whyday is successful in keeping enemy away, he would need one too because their pepper farm was always raided by intruders in the creek and is damaging trade and commerce with interior kingdoms.

Bini replied that they had no land and cannot fight Olofin to take land for the fort. The compromise was for Aromire to carve out land for Bini settlement.

Bini has never fought Lagos. Bini had a fort used as a defense shield to deter enemy invasion into Yoruba South....as Oyo had also created one in Ilorin that was very effective in supressing Dahomey ambitions.


Lineage and Events...
After Asipa had settled in Eko....

(Notice connection between Edo, Ado, Ido, Eko)

After Asipa settlement he coronated and started the first dynasty.

Oba Akinsemoyin had an alias and he was called Alado. The one who possessed Ado or one from Ado.

His first daughter turned down request to marry Baba Alagbaa (The Palace Priest who was from Ijesha) and instead married a man from Whydah.

Akinsemoyin's sister, Erelu married Baba Alagbaa to bear Ologun Kutere.

Ologun Kutere became King after Akinsemoyin and married an Ijebu woman who bore Eshinlokun.

Adele became King after Kutere but was deposed and left for Whydah.

Eshinlokun became King after Adele.

After Eshinlokun died Kosoko was to become King but Idewu Ojulari was coronated and Kosoko went on exile to Whydah.

After Ojulari died Oluwole became King. He was succeeded by Akintoye.

Akintoye's mother was Egba. He recalled Kosoko from Whydah.

Kosoko overthrew him and sent him on exile.

He later returned with help of British force and deposed Kosoko and regained throne. Kosoko went on exile to Epe.

Akintoye died shortly after. Dosunmu became King. Dosunmu's mother was from Whydah.


So....you see the back and forth relationship between the uproots from Bini setting up a city in Ado (Whydah) and actually marrying from there. Prince and Princesses back in those days married into royalty or a non-royal noble family.

Is it possible that when they settled into Whydah originally, a part of the family took Olofin's invitation to resettle in Lagos while another part remained in Ado?

There is a Quad-City relationship connecting Bini - Oyo- Ado and Eko.

In Lagos there is confusion whether Orisa Adimu was originally the property of Oyo or Bini. You can see the depth of link and how it should not surprise qhen in the Oriki you begin to see elements of Oyo, Bini, Ado and Eko.


Omo Ibini Arokun Yo!

The son of Bini who dominated the Sea!

This is common Oriki for all the Akarigbere White Cap Chiefs.

On the other hand, the Oriki of Oba of Lagos is Omo Erin Jogun Ola.

The son of the mighty who inherited the land!

Erin is a totem of Oyo! But Oyo is younger than Bini.....therefore it can only be traced up to Oranmiyan.

Make i stop here Oga mi! grin grin




This is great and seems to clarify certain things. But I'll like to ask for sources especially for bini on lagos. Thanks
Culture / Re: Yoruba Descendants In Brazil Cerebrate Obaluwaye Festival by SirNewtonNG: 7:33pm On Jul 22, 2022
Mraphel:

Oduduwa is a Yoruba Oba..he wasn't banished from anywhere. A criminal cannot become an Oba in ife.

Oduduwa was 1000 years before ORANMIYAN was born.

Edo people lied to you.

You're right but 1000 years is a stretch. I'll say between 150 and 200 years. Archaeologist and historians have put the timeline based on certain artifacts and certain other details for oduduwa and oranmiyan to be between circa 1000-1200 AD

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Culture / Re: How Benin Kingdom Stopped The Encroaching Fulani Army by SirNewtonNG: 7:24pm On Jul 21, 2022
KingOKON:
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Fulanis you couldn't stop it is Benin that your Obas since forever had been paying tributaries your imagination is running wild with.


One or two kings paid tributes at certain point in time and that's why you're so happy? angry grin when your kingship itself is from ife. It's the ife who civilized and gave benin what it is. Infact benin is a yoruba word. Few yoruba kings paying tributes for a short period of time to their brother ain't bad. Infact yoruba kings paid tributes to one another as well. It's not giving what you think

The Fulanis only gained upperhand in ilorin because the Military Commander of the oyo armies literally rebelled against his king and got support of other yoruba armies to ally with the fulani and hausas and other Muslims to fight, unfortunately the Fulanis betrayed him and took over ilorin later on. When the Fulani-Yoruba ilorin tried to expand they were checked and beaten back by ibadan and allies at osogbo.

When your life is miserable and so concerned about false superiority one usually lacks logic and becomes so ignorant of history.
Culture / Re: Fact About Pa Idu by SirNewtonNG: 3:51am On Jul 18, 2022
samuk:
FACTS ABOUT PA IDU

1. Pa Idu was born at Ogbe N’Alaka a place that eventually became the homestead of later Ogiso’s and Oba’s of Benin.
2. Pa Idu father was known as Ere (not to be mistaken as Ogiso Ere) he was the founder of Uhunmwundumwun (premier town), a place hundreds of years later Ogiso Ere moved the palace to from Ugbekun. Pa Idu father Ere, is where the ancient word Otamere (evening tide favored Ere) was created from.
3. Pa Idu is generally accepted as the Progenitor of the Benin race and all its descendants because the chroniclers of our remembered history, Ughoron; popularize his name above other native indigenes of which Idu came out from.
4. Pa Idu had three sons: Akka, Efa and Emehi. Efa and Emehi are the fathers of the modern day Benin population,
5. Through legitimacy of ancient ownership the Efa and Emehi families are the owners of Edo land as every other families came from them.
6. Pa Idu died at Uhe(not to be mistaken as Ile-Ife) present day Igala areas of Kogi State and was referred to as Oghene N’Uhe by the earliest Benin natives, he was deified as a Priest King. The Chief priest and scepter bearer of the Oghene N’ Uhe shrine, Azama; followed Akka, Efa and Emehi back to Benin land and a replica of the shrine was built here in Benin land, the descendants of the Azama N’Uhe are the Oloton family of Benin and they are the custodian of the scepter of authority of Pa Idu carried by Azama and bequeathed to the descendants of Efa and Emehi.
7. Earliest Portuguese referred to Oghene N’Uhe(Pa Idu) as “Ogane” the great potentate of the interior.
8. All Ogisos starting from Ere to Oba Ewuare I all went on pilgrimage visit to pay respect to their progenitor at Uhe, a sort of confirmation and spiritual renewal ritual. A ritual also conducted by Ikaladerhan before he became a ruler in Ile-Ife.
9. When the later Oba’s of Benin discovered the complexity of the pilgrimage visit and the decline of the Uhe town they created “Erinmwidu” a replica of Oghene N’ Uhe Shrine and made it Royalty. Hence Erinmwidu is the royal deity of the Benin people.
10. Idusere, Idusogie, Idugbowa etc. reaffirm the Benin native ownership of Idu ideology hence Idu is Benin, Benin is Idu.

Let the legacies of Pa Idu be remembered by us all his children.
Pa Idu gha to kpere. Ise
Oba gha to kpere. Ise

Written by
Imasuen Amowie Izoduwa

TAO11 You missed have missed this episode of another round of "benin revisionism " grin cheesy ; This guys are hilarious. Seems imasuen izoduwa doesn't already realize oba erediauwa already revealed the identity of the oghene n'uhe as none other than ooni of ife. I wonder which uhe is in kogi o grin

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Culture / Re: The Power The Oba Of Benin Wield In The Past by SirNewtonNG: 10:46am On Jul 12, 2022
oswardic:
I won't respond to your nonsense abusive junkie evidence that dated not as far as the ones the civilised Igodomigodo wrote as way back, you can now go ahead and make yourself look like one with sense even when everyone knows you're a diehard hater of the Benin heritage, but hold on, before you go about with your defeated arguments of "this one said he won't come back again"

Your plan is to drop the last punch and expects me not to write so whenever new reader sees it, then it would make you look like a winner, or one with a much proof of what people should believe, infact I lost interest in your argument the very day you said the history my people wrote is void and null because a brown skin people wrote it

This is here already, you can now go ahead and make your last abusive junkie proofs of written notes/history by your light yellow gods you call whites, whom you believe their writings than anything your fellow brownish skin can ever write, no wonder the Yoruba had no single written history, oh! I forgot, they were primitive people with no sense of education.

Don't bother to hear from me on this case again, take the floor you hateful retard!

Bye!



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Yorubas don't have written history but grin what a joke. Is that supposed to be a rebuttal born from pain and fiction. The written history you have you claim its biased and you're crying about it when it's referenced and shown to you that your obas had their ancestors from ife and paid homage to him cheesy but yet you're boasting here because you think they didn't write about us. Choose a struggle man, moreover they did write about us and the importance of their writings is that they were eye witnesses and collected traditions from the people of those times.

Ohh and Jacob egharevba is a black man last I checked. Your red herrings and ad hominem won't change the fact that the only history you like are revisions from thin air from the 1970s no wonder you're not even consistent with your rebuttals and ad hominems. Cry harder wink grin

Cc: Tao11
Culture / Re: New Attah Of Igala Crowned (pics) by SirNewtonNG: 2:22am On Jul 12, 2022
Xhuntra:


United to fight any force but u couldn't fight ordinary fulani that came, massacred ur people and took away kwara state from you?

Another hater probably some edo or igbo bigot. How maby times have your uncivilized people fought anyone. Culture less swine.

Kwara state only existed less than 50 years ago. Fulanis never fought for kwara state. Afonja the ruler of ilorin betrayed oyo and the Fulanis took over ilorin. Ilorin when trying to advance were defeated by the Ibadan and pan yoruba army who sent them back. They're only restricted to ilorin and a few towns. Many towns in kwara have obas and not under the emir. It was only carved into kwara state.

Useless jealous hateful illiterate, you'll be frustrated for life anywhere you hear about yorubas grin

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Culture / Re: New Attah Of Igala Crowned (pics) by SirNewtonNG: 2:19am On Jul 12, 2022
BKayy:

You are not siblings.
They only conquered you and gave you their language.

Rome conquered Iberian peninsula and till date, Spanish and Portuguese sound like Latin and still have much of Latin/Italian words in their vocabulary. The same can be said for Igala and Yoruba.

Just like Rome, Igala conquered Yoruba in the AD's and like a true coloniser, they passed down their language to the Yorubas which is still visible till date.

Na lie? Is Yoruba not made up of much Igala words?

What an idiot!! How does this make any sense, so if can't be yoruba defeating igala to give them their language?? grin Like what sort of logic is this if not bias and jealousy against yorubas. I wonder what is the source of this your false fabricated history.

Yoruba and Igala languages are classified as yoruboid languages. Linguist say that at some point it was one language before there was a split probabky due to the igalas migrating far away from their Kim as it is said i their oral history.

I'm guessing you're igbo or edo to form this fantasy out of jealousy and pain grin cheesy

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Culture / Re: Ikwerre People Visit Oba Of Benin, Presents Indigenous Flag by SirNewtonNG: 3:58pm On Mar 05, 2022
TAO11:
Another example is the fact that Oonis of Ife have the undisputed privilege of conferring highest Ga traditional titles on Ga people.

We have video evidence of this as may be seen in the video below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd7ZUEvhyRc

So provide some kind of direct evidence like this rather than give me unsubstantiated and unverifiable super stories.

TAO11 Please can you explain what exactly is the relationship between the gaa people and ife. Is its a monarchial migration, a people migration or a people similarity? What's their language, culture affinity etc

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Culture / Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by SirNewtonNG: 11:58am On Feb 27, 2022
sesan85:


Another pea-brained slowpoke surfaces. Segun Toyin Dawodu is your fellow Edo man, lmao! He didn't even come up with those praise names. He's the founder of Edonation.net, the number one revisionist site where ahistorical junks are made up for the consumption of you nitwits. But how would you know Segun Toyin Dawodu was your fellow Edo man when you people have stolen Yoruba things/names to the brim, lol. Bunch of shameless people. Oya, is Olumide Akpata a Yoruba man or Edo? Lmao.

I'm 100% sure that this so called segun put his name as yoruba on purpose for an agenda to show that maybe a yoruba person agrees with the their revisionism
Its now so funny to see how it has come back to bite them on this thread grin
Culture / Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by SirNewtonNG: 7:14am On Feb 25, 2022
TAO11:
Yes, this is quite true (at least up to the 1600s) and not only of Benin Royal, but for Benin kingdom and most region around the coast.

The people spoke the Yoruba language as a lingua-franca in addition to having their own various local dialects.

Father Comlumin of Nantes who visited Benin Kingdom in the 1600s and wrote from there, as an eyewitness observer, back home to the French authorities on the prospect of establishing a missionary base has the following to say:

In this Kingdom [of Benin] the people may very easily be led to embrace the faith, and priests can live here with greater ease than in other parts of Guinea because of the healthy climate ... Their language is simple it is called Licomin language [Yoruba languge] and is universally used in these parts, just like Latin in Europe.

@Etinosa1234, I noticed you updated your mention to @Obalufon with some very hilarious special pleading. cheesy

Did you really have to stretch yourself to the laughable extreme that the Father Columbin of Nantes must have found it difficult to ask who is Bini and who is not? smiley

You also had to lie to yourself that the Father (rather than asking the people what the universal language was) simply took it upon himself to guess it out. Lol.

These are very convenient jokes actually. I do hope that they served their purpose of helping you cope and deal with the unnecessary embarrassment you felt.

Moreover, the very Licomin lingua-franca spoken throughout the coast (including in Benin kingdom as reported by the Father) is the same Alkomijis which Dapper also wrote about.

Dapper wrote that the Yoruba language was also spoken as the lingua-franca in the Aja kingdom of Allada also on the coast. Dapper writes in relation to this same phenomenon in 1668 as follows:

Their own mother tongue is by them little regarded; therefore they seldom speak it; but they are obliged to speak mostly Alkomijis [Yoruba] which in their own country is regarded as a noble language.

In sum then, contrary to your assumption; this is not a phenomenon restricted to Benin kingdom alone, nor are these reports claiming that the Yoruba language is the only language which these people knew.

No! This is a phenomenon observed by the Europeans throughout much of the West African coast, around the 1600s.

Also, the peoples’ own native languages (or dialects) were never absent from them at any time even as they all speak the mutually intelligible lingua-franca.

Moreover, the Spanish Jesuit, Alonso de Sandoval, also in the 1600s, alluded to the fact that Lucumies were employed right in the palace administration of Benin.

In conclusion, this phenomenon of the Yoruba language been widely used throughout much of the coast was not an isolated phenomenon; and it is nothing to worry or feel inferior about.

Cheers!

Omo TAO11 the beni miscreants destroyer. This one na bulldozer in knife fight o. cool

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Culture / Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by SirNewtonNG: 7:07am On Feb 25, 2022
TAO11:
There is no primary evidence to substantiate these claims. They’re all a trickle down and fall out of Egharevba’s initial claims.

However, the point I am correcting is not even that. The point I am correcting is as follows:

(1) No Edo prince ruled as king in any part of Lagos — Island or mainland.

(2) No Bini conquered any part of Lagos — Island or mainland.

The original accounts which claims otherwise on these two points are the latter-day claims made by Chief Egharevba in the 1950s — hence historians call it the Benin account.

On the other hand, the account which originates from Lagos itself came more than 50 years earlier than the Benin account, and it states the very two points I noted above.

I’m preparing to make a thread on this soon. I’m trying to lay my hands again on some of the materials I’d be needing for the purpose.

TAO11 please we need you to make multiple threads on multiple topics ma. We meed topics controlled from us that will educate this miscreants grin

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Culture / Re: List Of OLUBADAN Of Ibadan From 1820 To 2016, They Are 39 In Number…. by SirNewtonNG: 1:43pm On Feb 23, 2022
AreaFada2:

You know them. But I won't even give them the attention they so crave. grin

That's the sound of a half baked illiterate, poverty stricken slave of the yoruba omo noba shivering knowing his lies will soon be exposed. And as usual TAO11 delivered. Many of this miscreants have illiteracy and mischief in their dna

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Politics / Re: Oduduwa Republic Should Exclude Lagos From Their Dream Country by SirNewtonNG: 3:11am On Feb 23, 2022
EzeNri:

Remove Awori and Ijebu lands, Yoruba land is landlocked.

FACT

Remove two subgroups of what makes up yoruba and yoruba is landlocked. How dumb are you. It's like saying remove andalusia from Spain and Spain becomes landlocked when andalusia is part of Spain. How dumb csn haters be. Like I've been saying on thus threat. The name yorubas and what we have will keep on chking you. When you hear yoruba you'll keep crying tears. By the way I'm ijebu and very much yoruba. I wonder why you aren't removing egba and yewa people because of your agenda sponsored by jealousy. This reveals that you are a hateful jealous illiterate bigot who comes on nairaland to make himself feel better

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Politics / Re: Oduduwa Republic Should Exclude Lagos From Their Dream Country by SirNewtonNG: 1:50am On Feb 23, 2022
Ooni:
You sound like a land grabber though you might not be totally wrong. Historically, Lagos has never been part of the western region and has never been under Yoruba control. From crown colony to protectorate, to capital city, then to a state. It's somehow a shared city, which is why some people call it a no-mans-land with limited validity.

I hope you have learnt better from people like TAO11 throughout this thread. The first indigenes of lagos Island not Lagos State is the aworis, they were ruled by a awori bini mixed monarchy with the oba of benin for some time a patron of the ashipa father of the first eleko of eko as he backed him to gain control of eko(lagos Island) and also married his daughter who gave birth to ado first king in the island,there were also bini chiefs who came in to preserve the bini interest (note also that this so called binis spoke yoruba language and note yoruba names as that was the official language of the bini kingdom which wad founded by an ife prince) eventually bini influence in eko waned quickly and the eleko became independent before the British conquered eko and incorporated other islands and some parts of the mainland which has always been yoruba indigenous land (owned by aworis, Ijebus etc) into lagos colony eventually it became a capital and then lagos state which incorporated more ijebu areas into it.

So please be careful and don't allow this bini miscreants inform you, they aren't indigenous to the land neither did they conquer or own it. They were migrants later on and the bini king only had a relationship or alliance with the oba of lagos which eventually waned. Bini barely never even had military presence in eko nether was it a territory of bini

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Politics / Re: Oduduwa Republic Should Exclude Lagos From Their Dream Country by SirNewtonNG: 1:32am On Feb 23, 2022
Okpotokpo:
did the op tell you he's Igbo? I think you should be concerned that your people are driven out of their ancestral land in this 21st century than being obsessed with igbos.
Meanwhile it's historically accurate that Lagos belongs to binis.
The fact that you were born in Lagos doesn't make you an indigene, when the time comes you'll be sent packing to oshogbo, akure illorin though illorin is now Fulani territory.
Next time learn to keep igbos out of your affairs ode.
And binis should note that the igbankes in Edo state formerly Igbo akri are anioma people and any plan to annex their territory or colonise them will be resisted vehemently by anioma and all igbos from all corners of this Earth which we all know will result to more refugees camp being created in Benin republic. grin

Meanwhile we should stop all this unnecessary bickerings within ourself, we are not our enemies except all this thieves we have as politictian. Let stop fighting our selves dear people.
The south would've been a better country if it were not amalgamated with the north.
Atleast the likes of abacha and buhari wouldn't have occupied the seat of power.

Look at this idiot after his bigoted insults decides to give advise. Most of you miscreants here are frustrated jealous people who hate the yorubas and just say nonsense to fight psychological ego battle, banters and feel better about yourselves. Nothing you lot say have any impact in reality. Many of you bigots here are half baked poverty stricken illiterates living in slums in Nigeria. The name yoruba will continue to cause you lot heartaches

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Politics / Re: Oduduwa Republic Should Exclude Lagos From Their Dream Country by SirNewtonNG: 12:55am On Feb 23, 2022
Lagos is Bini territory, Edo wu odion! So those planning Oduduwa republic should please leave Lagos alone. We do not want fulani to ovetall our land by confusing us with some miscreants and self-seeking illitrates claiming a republic without a standing army, constitution, etc., just public address systems. Anytime these confusionist come near Lagos, we the Lagosians will drive to the lagoons. They should know that we do not have any refugee camps in case fulanis goes on offensive with them, because of what history taught us about them

When the time comes,we Lagosians will decide whether to align with any of the new nations or remain with one Nigeria.

So, please you people should advise all those agitators to focus their attention on Ife and other Oduduwa states, afterall, oduduwa does not know any place called Lagos or Eko. Meanwhile, we implore all our Lagosian people to go about their businesses unmolested.

Eko onibaje ooo! grin

I really laugh when i see insecure bini miscreants project so much fantasy grin grin He even used the popular yoruba motto to end and he still has the effontry to talk about bini. Where do they speak bini language in any part of lagos Island or Lagos State, where is the edo culture, how many bini people even live there. Igbo people actually have more mouth and even they don't have any claim. The indigenous people of the land has it had been shown here is of yoruba ethnic stock, their language and culture is all yoruba. Yes there was bini influence in the monarchy at some point and there is maternal relationship with the lagos Royal family but paternally its a yoruba family in two ways both from ashipa, and from erelu kutis husband who is from ijesha.

Its crazy you get so insecure and become a hi got to mock innocent people who have been displaced because they're yoruba. Is that how much you are jealous of yoruba achievements. Is that how much you are angry that a yoruba man and his descendants have civilized your people and ruled them for 1000 years and despite the civilizations and the punishment for their crudeness in using them for rituls branding them as slaves and allowing the princes kill the not free yoruba born indigenous binis your people wre still cultist and prostitutes in Italy grin. You will forecast forever be frustrated at the mention of yoruba

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Culture / Re: Ooni of Ife Is Far Superior To The Oba Of Benin. Pics by SirNewtonNG: 7:34am On Feb 22, 2022
Christistruth00:
Many Accra Ga are of Yoruba descent

The Ga first settled in Ghana in the days of Basorun Ga

I am not sure if they were called Ga after Basorun Ga who was practically in Control of the Oyo Empire at the time and extended it to Ghana or if it is just a Coincidence




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwotso3Lm30&t=1s




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4krjcZ48wA



grin

This is amazing!! Almost like he's speaking ijebu �� Yoruba is well and truly vast no wonder some bini miscreants can't stop crying hot tears

TAO11

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Culture / Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by SirNewtonNG: 12:17am On Feb 22, 2022
SirNewtonNG:


No mind the idiot just like their British masters they see us as masters hence the phone wey e dash us grin grin They see us like the British, i mean our sons have been ruling bini for 1000 years
Culture / Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by SirNewtonNG: 12:17am On Feb 22, 2022
Alba3:


Lies and revisionism at its pick! I have never seen a Yoruba man called 'Ologbo' as Olorgbo; there's nothing like 'or' in Yoruba alphabetical combination. Mr Igodomigodo, this shows you don't even have any knowledge of Yoruba language at all. Mind what you and your ilks put online, please.

No mind the idiot just like their British masters they see us as masters hence the phone wey e dash us grin grin They see us like the British, i mean our sons have been ruling them for 1000 years

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Culture / Re: Itsekiri Are Part Of The Greater Oduduwa Family- Ooni by SirNewtonNG: 10:12am On Feb 21, 2022
Fezz:


It would make more sense for you to say the body of obas are buried in ile-Ife after they pass on, but rather you are sticking to the plot that the obas head is decapitated. Please where ls the honor in that. The Benin chiefs will never agree to such arrangements, the beheading of the oba after death and the head buried in a foreign land is just so funny. I laugh in spanish.

This story was created to devalue the authority of the Benin kings, it's derogatory and only the yorubas can think of such fairytale stories because their sole purpose is to devalue the achievements of Benin Kingdom. In history, the only time a king is beheaded is during the act of war, the victorious king finds honor in beheading the defeated king as a sign of authority, but for you to say the descendants of the mighty oba dinasty who was never defeated in battle would willingly decide to be beheaded after death is just pure fairytales. No man in his right senses would believe such fairytales.

As long as no oba or chief can come out to verify this claim, I'm sorry but no one apart from the gullible yorubas can ever believe such fairytales. High chiefs in the Benin court have spoken against such reports and that is all that matters to the benins. The yorubas tried their best to create a shrine-like tomb depicting where the obas heads are buried but that has been debunked a long time ago. That was a very weak attempt to distort history.

The yorubas went over the board in distorting history the way they did. Too much desperation is evident in the way your father's cooked up stories. It's really sad.

Lol the original benin chiefs were either from the ife installed ogiso time or came with Oranmiyan from ife grin Nigeria really caused a lot of harm to be honest. Made a former kingdom with a yoruba ruler look so different because they're a different ethno-lingusitic people when in the past the obas were do proud to be yorubas and to rule over the bini aboriginals they considered slvs. Nigeria o cheesy
Culture / Re: Itsekiri Are Part Of The Greater Oduduwa Family- Ooni by SirNewtonNG: 9:53am On Feb 21, 2022
Fezz:



OBA OF BENIN HEAD OF THE BENIN EMPIRE OWNS WESTERN, SOUTHERN AND EASTERN MODERN DAY NIGERIA
- Oba Akiolu of Lagos


The dust has finally settled after years of controversies and heated arguments who the real owners of present day Lagos are, the whole of Western Nigeria and the East of the Niger down to the Nigerian south Atlantic Coast.

The Oba of Lagos, His Royal Highness, Oba Rilwan Akiolu, has finally told the world via a historical narrative and background the real owners of Nigeria's economic capital city of Lagos and parts of neigbouring Benin Republic.

Lagos, he said, belongs to the Great Benin Kingdom and has never been part of Yoruba land.

This was contained in a statement issued and signed by the Lagos Monarch which was released from his palace.

The statement reads:

“Coming from the palace, with what I was told by my late paternal grandmother who is a descendant of Oba Ovonramwen Nogbaisi and also reading from factual Historical books, let me share this Knowledge with you all on Eko/Lagos.

“Modern day Lagos was founded by Prince Ado, the son of the Oba of Benin, Prince Ado was the first Oba of Lagos, the son of the Bini King, Prince Ado, named the town Eko until the Portuguese explorer Ruy de Sequeira changed the Maritime town to Lagos, which at that time from 1942 was Portuguese expedition center down the African Coast.


“It was a major centre of the slave trade until 1851. Lagos was annexed by Britain via the Lagos treaty of cession in 1861, ending the consular period and starting the British Colonial Period. The remainder of modern-day Nigeria was seized in 1886 when the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria were established in 1914 Lagos was declared its capital due to the struggle of the Bini King.

“Lagos experienced growth prior to the British Colonial rule and even more rapid growth during the Colonial rule throughout the 1960s, 70s, continued through the 80s and 90s till date. Thanks to the Awori’s, Bini’s, Yoruba’s, migrants across the nation and the world at large, as no particular group of people can take the glory alone.

“Lagos is made up of Lagoons and creeks. The Lagos lagoon, Lagos Harbour, five cone creeks, Ebute-Metta creeks, Porto-Novo creeks, New canal, Badagry creeks, Kuramo waters and Lighthouse creeks.

“The Awori’s and Bini’s are known to be the first settlers of the Eko land. The Awori’s are speakers of a distinct dialect close to that of the Yoruba language with a rich Bini mixture. Traditionally, Awori’s were found in Ile-Ife, they were known to be the Bini’s who followed their self-exiled Prince, the first son of the Ogiso (now called Oba) of the Benin Kingdom, whose step-mother was after his head.

“The exiled Benin Prince Izoduwa known to the Yorubas as Ooduwa (Oduduwa) was made the ruler of the Ife people due to his powers and followers from the Great Benin-Kingdom.

“Izoduwa (Ooduwa) was made the first King of Ile-Ife in 1230 AD. His followers from his father’s Kingdom in Benin are the today’s Awori people who settled in Eko now called Lagos.


“In 1300, the King of Benin-Empire heard from one of his traders who was a settler in Eko on how the Bini’s were treated by the Awori’s who lived in their area. Upon hearing this, the King of Benin commanded the assembling of a war expedition, led by his son, Prince Ado, which headed the settlement of the Awori’s and demanded an explanation.

“On arriving Eko, Prince Ado and his Army were more than received. The Aworis asked the Bini Prince to stay and become their leader. Ado agreed on the condition that they surrender their sovereignty to the Oba of Benin, to which the people agreed. Hearing this, the King of Benin gave his permission for Prince Ado and the expedition to remain in Eko.

“The Oba of Benin sent some of his chiefs including the Eletu, Odibo, Obanikoro and others to assist his son, Oba Ado in the running of Eko.

“From the crowning of Prince Ado as the first Oba of Lagos (then called Eko), Lagos served as a major center for slave trade from which the Aworis, the Oba of Benin and his son the Oba of Lagos and all the children/descendants who took over as his successors for over four centuries supported the trade.

“The Oba of Benin was the head of the Benin Empire which is the present-day Western, Southern and Eastern modern day Nigeria. The King never obliged anyone to speak the Bini language as he believed everyone was entitled to their own choice of language.

“The name Eko was given to it by the first king of Lagos, Oba Ado, the young and vibrant Prince from Benin. Eko was the land now known as Lagos Island, where the king palace was built.

“The palace is called Idugaran meaning “palace built on pepper farm” Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin together with the early Bini’s settlers in Eko and the Awori people settled in the southern part of Eko called “Isale Eko”. “Isale literally means bottom “. Must have been used to indicate downtown (as in downtown Lagos)

“Until the coming in of the Benin’s 1300AD, Lagos geographical boundary was Lagos mainland, Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing post. No one was living there.

“About 1450 AD some Yorubas who hailed from Isheri in Ogun-state and Ekiti were allowed by the King to settle in Eko during a war, they came in a very large numbers thereby surpassing the numbers of the Awori’s and Bini’s. (Hence Yorubas claim to own Eko due to their numbers).

“Oba Ado fell in love with a beautiful woman whose father was Awori and mother a daughter to one of the chiefs; they had two sons and also a daughter Erelu Kuti, who begot Ologun Kutere who later became King.”

http://www.weeklypostng.co.uk/2017/05/oba-of-benin-head-of-benin-empire-owns.html?m=1

Desperate illiterate bstrd slvs, oba of lagos never sai this neither is there any verified quote of all this nonsense. Oba of lagos is not even related to the disgraced exiled ovanremen! See how you trembled with all the evidence an facts and go on to say the British favored the yorubas, imagine the idiot. You will forever be frustrated. You better go and tell the government to improve the literacy of your two by two village. Look at slvs arguing to defend a yoruba king who defeated and conquered his people and considered them slvs.

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Culture / Re: Itsekiri Are Part Of The Greater Oduduwa Family- Ooni by SirNewtonNG: 9:45am On Feb 21, 2022
Fezz:



This statement of yoursome is very funny kiss kiss.. It is obvious you don't know your history. Delta is divided into 3 major groups which are urobho, ijaw and itsekiri. The igbos are settlers there and not true indigens. The benins, esans, kukurukus, urobho, Itshekiris and ijaw all sprang from the same roots known as pa idu. In other words they are all blood brothers. During migration they spread out and created other indigenous settlements in edo/delta state of today.

The igbos migrated into the edo/delta lands through trading and in search of better arable land to farm and the benins welcomed them as visitors but the igbos being whom they always are took that kind gesture and misused it by trying to claim the land they were invited into.

The difference between the Benin Kingdom and the Yorubas is that Benin descendants are all connected by blood, from the benins to the esans, down to the ekweres are all blood connected, while the Yorubas are connected by forcing their language and culture on their subjects. Most people in Yorubas land today were dumped on Yoruba soil and most of them came from seria leon, Gabon etc. The only thing that brought them together is the language known as Yoruba.

Your hate for yoruba will be your d!!th, it will ch!!ke you as we will keep progressing. No one wad dumped anywhere. There was repatriation and it was mostly to lagos and abeokuta and this people knew their roots they barely left the shores of west Africa specifically sierra leone before coming back. The vast majority of yoruba people have been here amd identified as different ethnicities or kingdoms for as long as possible and al this has been documented in oral and recorded history and in practices. Nothing was forced on anyone. The only issue is you realize the yorubas are bigger than you, more populated with more land area. Also you realize the yorubas have been ruling your people as slavs for 1000 years hence your tears and wish that the yoruba people were just mixed forced or whatever unverified no proof nonsense you spew. I'm ijebu i know my yoruba identity like ekiti, awori, oyo, egba, yewa, ijesa, ondo, okun, ilaje, ikale people do recognize. May you continue to be frustrated at the mention of yoruba and may you continually be a sla!ve to the yoruba omo noba

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Culture / Re: Oba Of Benin Announces Date For Outdoor Ceremony Of Odudua Rites by SirNewtonNG: 12:39pm On Feb 20, 2022
gregyboy:



Ekaladerhan turned Oduduwa after 1960

Because the original Oduduwa by the benins in 1906 to the europeans was never Oduduwa

Oba erediawa was the one who turned Ekaladerhan story from an indigenous binin prince who died in the benin port of ughoton


And methaphosed him to oduduwa with his book lunch after his ascension....

Cc: Fezz

Fess

Confusion in their camp grin
TAO11

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