rexbuton:


Sir, is the highlighted section a statement of fact?

That's the truth.

The first European explorers (Portuguese) got the West Africa in the 14th century and the first stop was Sierra Leone. Then they came down the coast all the way to Nigeria, and later went to Fernando Po and Kongo areas.

Now, before I post academic references: if you're to travel by sea from Sierra Leone to Nigeria according to the map - I believe the first people you would meet are the folks on the coast. And that would happen to be Aworis and Ijebus at that point in history. Then the Itsekiris. But Aworis were farmers back then and never lived on the coast. And the Ijebus were the only ones on the coast selling clothes.

So, who would you meet first?

Anyway, I'll dig my archives for Olfert Dapper's writings and post academic proofs in a bit, to answer the question, before I move to other things.

masseratti:
that can never be facts and its not even correct.

And what are the "facts" according to real history and early European explorers - not some village jejune tales/revisionism for dyck waving?

Please educate me.

OPCNAIRALAND:
LordAdam and Sir Shymmex,
The African situation is a big and complex issue. To solve complex issue the evident problem must first be identified, the root of the problem should be located. This is diagnosis. Next is to see if a solution is possible and realistic. This is done by studying the chronology of the system...its past. If it worked efficiently at one time, it can work efficiently again after resuscitation. Then a solution path is drafted to begin the recovery. Next a pilot program, or model, is built to demonstrate the possibility and document process. A communication goes out to get buy in from those it will affect. At last the implementation begins. Finally the problem solves.

In Africa we are yet to even identify on the surface why our development is retarded and what are its roots.

Using Yorubaland as a simple model, since this is what Im familiar with, our problem lies in mis-identification. In other words, we are living with the wrong identificatiin for ancestry.

Ancestry is used here as the over-arching tenet for spiritualism, customs, worship, language, state, and sovereingty.

Yorubaland has shifted away from Adamuism to Eurocentrism, but we are not of European anestry, so why live like oyibo? At one point Adamuism worked for us effectively, out of one we produced many sovereingty and established a social order and civilization that ruled lands far and beyond. Is it recoverable? Today we live underneath a social order central to lands far away from us. Pathetic!

Lets discuss and use Yorubaland as a model for recovery. There should not be a English speaking Yoruba in Nigeria and Ghana and a French speaking Yoruba in Benin and Togo....we should just have Yoruba speaking sovereingties, period!

What is the template to adopt and realize this as a a mini objective and building block into the much larger challenge of resuscitating Black consciousness across the globe? Share thoughts.

I already cited the three layers of the fundamental problems of Africa:

- Neo-colonialism.
- Colonial maps.
- Mis-education.

When you compare the structures of African countries to their European counterparts, you’d see that 99% of them aren’t even meant to be countries. Evidently, you’ll never make any progress whatsoever when you’re trying to live a next man’s experiment - especially when the man is an enemy. Hence I’ll never have a problem with Biafrans and their agitation unless they become covetous like they do most times.

There’s for the small ones if they can fix a few things…but I don’t think any of the big ones in Sub-Saharan Africa will ever surpass South Africa. And as the population grows, these countries would become much worse. But I’ll put Algeria and Angola in the African context as outliers cos Algerians are 99% Berbers and Angolans are close to 70% similar Bantus, albeit some are somewhat different. So, I won't surprised if both ever become fairly decent.

Personally, I’ll bet on Somalia being in a better shape than Nigeria in the next 30 years, if it can get over the hump/wars and become a decent country cos it has what it takes.

LordAdam

I don't think you have an understanding of the subject matter. Honestly, a lot of you don't, hence I don't bother most times. I'll post this last comment and leave it there.

Nelson Mandela like most black leaders/people, he was a simp – hence he sold out his people, for hero-worship in the west. Nelson Mandela isn’t a good example to cite cos he’s the reason why his people are the way they’re. Black South Africans (if coloured population is added to their population) make up almost 90% of the population, yet almost 90% of the South African economy/wealth is owned by the whites. Evidently, the Nelson Mandela example is a terrible one.

I don't even think you know the history of Haiti, Jamaica and the rest of the Caribbean countries you cited and how they're governed. Haiti's history is deep. And all the Caribbean countries you cited are till indirectly under British rule - with the Queen as the head of those countries.

American independence has no correlation whatsoever with black folks. A bunch of renegade ethnic Brits, Irish, and a few other European with the support of the French in Canada and African slaves – fighting again their homeland for the total control of their new abode – has no correlation whatsoever with the struggle of black folks.

Lagos isn’t a success story and a terrible example. Any overpopulated shytehole with the concentration of almost all the resources in a country that has some natural resources. I bet you don’t know that cities like Cairo, Algiers, Cape Town, and J’burg have higher GDP than Lagos. And apart from Cairo, which as overpopulated as Lagos – the rest are decent cities and they represent what thriving cities ought to look like. If you understand economics, you’d know that Lagos on the other hand is a shytehole and a human disaster and what a city shouldn’t be.

What did Fulanis do to Yorubas in Ilorin that’s comparable to 400 years of killing, raping, maiming, and dehumanisation of a people – while using them for free labour? What happened in Ilorin is similar to how the US took California, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona etc. from Mexico – or how the UK has Northern Ireland under it – no correlation whatsoever with what we’re discussing. I honestly doubt you understand the history of Ilorin, and/or the subject matter.

And no, South Americans don’t practise pure Catholicism – they practise a hybrid form of it, with African religions. They created their own based on the convergence of the different cultures they’ve there.

Anyway, I’ll stop here cos I don’t think you have a proper grasp of the complexities of the problems plaguing Africans and black folks in general. It’s deeper than the simplistic way you’re looking at it. And even if you were to wake up tomorrow and kill all the corrupt folks and kow-tow to while folks – the problems are still going to be there. When you look at the foundation – you’ll see how effed up most African countries are – compared to, say, European countries. Evidently, things are never going to change – unless you appoint a brutal totalitarian with one-track mind, albeit with a good vision, to put everything in order. And he has to rule for at least 40 years lool.

But regardless, personally, I neither give a shyte about white folks nor rate them for anything. History is just there never to be forgotten and to solve ya problems, you always have to be cognizant about ya and how it affects ya existence.

Latest polls show that Trump is already getting 18-20% of African American votes (Romney got 6%).

By election day, due to the silent black voters and the fear of aligning with Trump openly - the number may increase to 30%.

Darn! I'm loving this. I love African Americans - solid black folks right there and the most enlightened demographic of black folks on the planet.

I'm sure if they were to break it down further, based on all the AA guys I chat to - he should be getting close to 50-60% of black male votes between age 18-35 (the millennials). Real nyggahs. Clinton is going to win at least 90% of black votes from age 50 upwards cos those ones are die-hard democrats. And probably 90% of black female votes.

This gorilla is still alive, no?

seunmsg:



I am really enjoying your hilarious rants. I guess a Yoruba guy once messed you up big time. See, if you have any beef with a Yoruba person, settle your scores with him or her and stop ranting all over the place. Talking down on a race that you belong to his crass stupidity. You will only end up embarrassing yourself in the end and like I told you earlier, the joke of your ranting is on you.

Lol. Apart from being an obnoxious dunderhead, I didn't now you're this delusional lool. A rant is when you're disjointed in passing ya message across, which is more applicable to you cos apart from crying that I'm disrespecting Yoruba in ya grandiose delusion deep in servitude and slave mentality - you're yet to put forward one point lol.

Conversely, as the higher mind and educator - I have clowned you, smacked you like the slave you're, while educating ya primitive arse in the process lol. I know you're about to cry and this is an attempt to mask it but shyte, that's what I do lol.

Nah, the illiterate miscreants and sycophants on here do not represent Yoruba folks. I can even go as far as saying that the mentality/consciousness of Yorubas in naij doesn't represent Yoruba folks. I deal with the consciousness of Yoruba ancestors which abhors servitude and slave mentality. And I'm sure they are ashamed of you and ya ilk in their grave. So, check yourself - I'm not of ya "new Yoruba" and the servitude you illiterate miscreants have embraced.

Old school Yoruba nyggah like his forebears - not part of the new ones who are slaves. And my race is black like Malcolm X and Nat Turner lol.

seunmsg:


You know what they call people who describe their fathers house with the left hand? The joke is on you. Keep embarrassing yourself.

Lol. Look into the mirror and you'd see that the joke is on you and ya ilk. If you had any inkling about Yoruba history, you'd know that Yorubas abhor servitude, from Oyo, to Kiriji wars after Oyo, to how Owo never allowed servitude to Binis, to Ijebus, to Egba, to Ibadan and how they defeated the Fulanis.

However, with you and ya ilk, you have embraced servitude to Fulanis and that slavish mentality is the reason why you would support a woman who's complicit in the fact that a Lebanese man robbed you and ya unborn children billions of dollars. And her crimes against black folks all over the globe. If you can't see that - something is fundamentally wrong with you.

Evidently, you and ya ilk are the ones disrespecting the Yoruba ancestors with how you have embraced servitude and mental slavery. I'm sure they're crying in their graves.

True narrative right there. You better wake the fvck up before it's too late. I'm utterly ashamed of you lot.

seunmsg:


Amala eater, Amala brain matter, Amala infested brain, dirt poor, blablabla. Is that all you can come up with?

I have no time for trolls who delight in throwing silly insults around. You can continue shouting Amala upandan, it won't change the fact that Trump will lose and Hillary will put Putin in his rightful place. And yes, when that war that Putin is looking for finally breaks out, you will be among the first casualties before it can even deny me of my beloved Amala and ewedu.

Lol. Amala eater is the pointer to separate wheat from the chaff cos in every group, there are always high flyers and bottom feeders - just as you will always have the rich and the poor. You can call it classism but that doesn't negate the fact that a section of Yorubas who are ridiculously dumb/ignorant like you need to be separated from the higher/discerning minds, hence I always tag you dumb/ignorant ones as amala eaters lol.

And what has US election got to do with Putin? You Clinton-bots and always citing Putin. I bet the former head of British Military, Sir Richards, hates Clinton and his opinion that Trump would make the world safer is cos of Putin. And Comey, the head of the FBI, appointed by Obama is also a Putin fanboy.

Spoken like a true obnoxious/ignorant amala eater and the reason why I always tag you clowns with that name - to protect the better breeds of Yorubas lool.

ARIZONA123:
. I just wish if all Afonjas reason like you. Just two days ago. Soyinka promised to tear his green card if trump win. Imagine the reasoning of an african acclaimed intelligentia. fvck afonjas!

Yoruba folks aren't monolith. All the folks I Yoruba know, including those living in the US, hate everything about the Clintons. And I'm sure there are millions of Yoruba folks everywhere who share the same sentiments.

Wole Soyinka is his own man when it comes to political views. His views align with whatever liberals are offering. And he probably has a cordial relationship with the Clintons - just as a lot of top folks in naij (I'm sure you know that Chagoury is the one building Eko Atlantic). Those are his views and in as much as I rate him - my experience is different from his and my views aren't as left-sided (liberal) as his.

Regardless, I still understand where he's coming cos Trump is a mad man. But Clinton has done too many devilish things and she's going to do more cos she's power hungry. I'm not a fan of Trump but I just prefer a Trump when it comes to international politics and thing that will affect me directly/indirectly. And for US domestic policies - he's also a tad better bar his issues with immigration and pandering to far right groups.

seunmsg:


America's interest remains the same irrespective of who is the president. Trump, Clinton, Obama etc don't give a fvck about anything other than American interest so, stop thinking that Trump will turn out differently.

I am well aware of your emotional attachment to Putin's ass so, your support for Trump is well understandable. Putin can start peeing in his pants right away, he's puppet will never be POTUS. He has been running a crazy show in Syria for sometime now, Hillary is coming to town to put him where he belongs.

Lol. Spoken like a true obnoxious amala eater who has amala for brain matter.

If ya amala infested brain could decipher the difference between the projection of soft and hard power. Ditto how American interests can be achieved with jaw jaw and not war war - you'd see the difference between the two. At the end of the day: one has antecedents as Secretary of State and has already shown her hand based on her opinion on Syria. While the other might be mad, but is a business man.

Anyway, whoever gets in won't affect me that much, apart from the scare of a big war that might come with enlisting to fight, due to NATO. But on the other hand, you're fvcked in naij lol. Chagoury and other Lebanese folks made billions while ya arse is still broke and dirt poor. This time they might end up buying up ya whole village, if they don't throw the darn place into a theatre of civil war. The joke is on you. At least, if whatever happens can deny you amala for a while - that'll make my day.

seunmsg:


Trump will lose on Tuesday the same way Jonathan lost last year. He has no viable part to electoral college victory. A racist, misogynist and a demagogue cannot be the leader of the free world. Americans don't give a fvck about ibops emotional rants, they will vote in a candidate that will unite their country and not a divisive bigot.

A lot of you're just so caught up in the APC, Ipod, and primitive naij crap that you've the required IQ to decipher global dynamics and the consciousness of international politics. You lot are still crying about recession in naij, but by the time Clinton runs around for four years - you'll have civil war to deal with coupled with that. And a lot of you might end up burying those close to you. That's the reality. Then again, some of you won't mind being refugees in other countries. So, you might get ya wish.

You want to know what a devilish racist is: a woman (with her Husband) who's complicit in the fact that a Lebanese man, Chagoury, helped a naij dictator, launder tens of billions of dollars out of naij and in return, got billions of dollars donated to the Clinton Foundation (Chagoury is still one of her biggest donors). I bet you're out there broke as fvck but a Lebanese guy (foreigner) made billions of dollars in the same country you live, with this woman with billions as kick-back for being complicit in it. That alone should make you slap yourself.

A racist is a woman whose foundation collected millions of dollars from donors all over globe during the Haitian earthquake to help in rebuilding the country. Yet she stole the money and rather than help rebuild it, she helped one of the donors to her foundation secure the rights to mine gold in the troubled country - while trying to impose a leader on them. A racist is a woman who played a big role in the invasion of Libya and was complicit in how Islamists wiped out black Libyans in Tawergha cos they turned a blind eye to it, despite how it was reported. And the few who escaped the ethnic cleansing were bombed from the air by US jets. A racist is a woman who in conjunction with her husband to pass the drug laws that destroyed about two generations of African Americans. I think the Clinton administration was also responsible for facilitating how Somalia became a failed state. Etc. Just too many crimes to cite.

Anyway, she'll most likely win - but it isn't home run yet. A lot of you are just ignorant. You're still broke and dirt poor in naij, while a Lebanese man made billions off ya backs. If I were you, I'd be mad. Dammit. SMH.

Ejanla07:



The long epistle doesn't stop the yoruba from having internal wranglings

APCHaram

Shyte, let me reciprocate the fact that you took back all ya disses with the most iconic hip-hop rap reference of ya old handle, Pappy Mason, by Nas. And it's appropriate since ya Pappy mason handle has been given life imprisonment without parole by the mods.

From the "Illmatic album" and track 4 "The World is Yours" - "The mind activation, react like I'm facing time like Pappy Mason with pens I'm embracing".

Out.

APCHaram:

Your transformation these days is outstanding!

ODB takes back all the diss

You are now a confirmed bro-tier poster.

Kudos

ODB the Queens police murderer, Pappy Mason.

Shyte, there's no transformation: I'm just like Supreme with the righteous mind of the 5% nation.

I'm an independent mind - neither a sheeple nor do I engage in group-think.

So, if in my independent state of mind, we tend to agree...cool.

However, I don't expect us to agree all the time...we just agreed on today's mathematics.

Peace to the gods.

APCHaram:
The only shameless idi0ts around are those who support that Witch of Washington.

I don't think Trump is going to win cos of the bad press he got before the Comey-gate and due to the fact that a lot of folks started voting early. Ditto rigging and how dirty Hillary is.

However, if Comey-gate and the recent wikileaks emails about Clinton foundation can tilt the balance with late voters. That would be interesting. The low turnout by black voters is a plus...and don't rule out the silent voters (a lot of black/Latino folks make up this percentage as well) who won't support Trump openly but would vote for him. Trump has to win for the world to be a safer place. The mad man is better than the devilish criminal who ought to be in prison right now.

Any African/black person supporting crooked and devilish Hillary Clinton needs to have his/her brain checked. That woman is evil and she'll start a big war. Glad no Haitian is voting for that crazy biitch and their population is huge in Florida. And the Cubans are like 50/50. Trump needs to win FL, GA, TX, PA, NC, and/or OH.

Fvck Clinton - anything but Clinton.

LordAdam:

You have a point about not forgetting history. I don't forget about history. I don't expect any true sub-Saharan African to ever forget. But it should not be yoke over us that stymies us from pressing forward.

Israel and the US (with the largest population of Jews outside Israel) still do business with Germany. China may have their differences with Japan and the West, but they trade with them, and even invest there. China is the largest oversea creditor of the US.

Politics and development shouldn't be Siamese twins. Every type of political system (whether democracy, monarchy, or communism) on the planet has at least one model country that is developed. So, we can't use our apathy of the slave trade and brutal colonial past as a reason not to shake hands and move our region forward.

Personally, I've placed that behind me. Maybe, it's easier for me because it's been generations since slave trade ended. But I look around the world, and I see everyone has moved on. Everyone is moving to greater heights, while sub-Saharan Africa is holding the tabs for only God knows what. And passing the buck isn't going to change anything.

You know why?

Because passing the buck hasn't changed anything yet. I'm not certain, doing it for another half a century will change anything.

If you are waiting for a Marshall Plan from the West for Africa. I hate to break it to you, it's not coming. It's why I call this a pity-party.

If it isn't a pity party, then we should be as developed as Asia and then keep the rhetoric going. It'd be more tolerable then.

Do you know that there is a strong apathy between the people of Hong Kong and those of Mainland China? Want to experience it first hand? Speak Mandarin in a store in Hong Kong...

Yet, these places are far developed than anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa (including South Africa).

Or should we talk about the apathy between India and Pakistan. China and many of its neighbors (Japan, Malaysia). These guys have the memory of an elephant. But in spite of all these, these countries are in a better position than 99% of countries in sub-Saharan Africa.

This is exactly why I call what we've been doing for the past 60 years a pity-party. And why we need a wake up call.

The world is tired of feeling sorry for a people who can yell aloud about how their resources (both human and natural) were pillaged for centuries, while let our own leaders launder at least $45b every year from the continent. And live in crisis-, disease-, hunger-infested, and underdeveloped climes.

-Lord

I think the mistake folks who have your outlook make is that: they look at things from the simplistic side of things, without taking time out to analyse things and look beyond the cover. Yes, individually, just like everyone else - you can make personal adjustment against it, albeit you can't escape some elements of it. However, collectively, things haven't really changed but the chains and over dehumanisation are gone.

Let's start with the biggest reason why Africa is so underdeveloped and backward. You'd see that the colonial maps, neo-colonialism/imperialism, and mis-education are the biggest problems in Africa - not corruption and bad leadership. Corruption and bad leadership are the bastard offspring of the three-headed dragon that I listed. See with corruption, there's no country that isn't corrupt. Heck, most enlightened folks would argue that the US is most corrupt country in world (most of the folks running the show in the US are utterly corrupt including folks like Bill Gates who's using his foundation as a front to "charitable" causes to enrich himself and we all know what the Clintons use their foundation for). But that hasn't stopped it from being the best country in the world. And bad leadership is due to neo-colonial imposition cause of neo-colonialism, structure of the colonial maps, and mis-education of the people. So, you can't solve these problems without the legacies of the dark past. That's what a lot of folks don't understand. Evidently, collectively there's still a BIG problem, but individually, you can always do better - albeit it won't change anything.

Now, let me discuss the west cos that's my experience. You can come to the west as African and do whatever it takes to make it, including slaving it up and trying to fit in. However, that doesn't negate the fact that collectively, the black population has been systematically effed up and boxed in - and that has been going on for generations. Yes, the chains and overt forms of it are long gone. But that doesn't negate what is going on.

I was checking the list of the murder capitals in the US recently and it wasn't shocking that all the top-20 cities are cities with huge black population. You might look at it from a simplistic view that these black folks just love killing one another. However, someone who understands what's going on know what's going on cos they're not the one making the guns. You've to look back and start with what happened when slavery ended and how all slaves were let go without giving them anything or rehabilitation. They all ended up in the slums. Surprisingly after that, they created the police to arresting homeless and unemployed folks. So, in effect, they criminalised them after slavery. Now, fast forward to the 60s when they started fighting for civil rights and how the black folks started moving to bigger cities for employment. This triggered black folks forming groups in the new cities they moved to defend themselves against white gangs. Later, white flight, which comes with having too many black folks in an area started happening. And the civil right groups they formed were reined in. The 70s came, the Reagan era, and crack cocaine and guns were flooded into black neighbourhoods to fund illegal US wars oversea. Then the killings started. And they decided to further criminalise them with drug laws that targeted the dealers, not the user. The trend continued since then and has moved from the US to other black diaspora communities in the West cos they all have a lot in common.

^^^Up there, I just gave you three layers of systematic destruction against black folks. Individually, you can escape it - but collectively, it's deeper than what you think it's. Regardless, we as a people have to do better. However, when you talk about the elephant in the room - it isn't about trying to play victim, it's about saying it as it's. Other folks don't have it bad and that's the honest truth. So, you can't compare the black struggle to those of the Japanese, Jews, Koreans, etc.

Yuck.

Deformed - can't get jiggy with this shyte.

Ejanla07:


So the yorubas ve internal wranglings. . Thought the Igbos will kill thr selves once dey get biafra. . We laughing at u all

STFU. What internal rambling are you alluding to?

A despotic king got dethroned by a next despotic king and folks from the former's maternal side colluded with the colonial masters to exile the latter to a next part of Yorubaland. So, how does that equate to "internal wranglings"?

A lot of you Igbos are miserable illiterates and you want everyone to be part of ya misery. Sorry, this isn't the thread for that. Heck, even if there's internal ramblings, how does that negate anything since human beings are naturally competitive and folks will always disagree. Even siamese and biological twins disagree. GTFOH and go solve ya Igbo problems.

LordAdam:

Here's the news flash mate, they don't need anyone's pass.

We can either rise from the ashes like a Phoenix and give this world a resounding success story to talk about akin to the Asian and South American countries, or we can just sit our ass down and keep waiting for an apology!

Our choice. Your choice. I've made my choice long ago. I'm not going to throw a pity party for myself, or anyone for that matter.

I'm leaving my mark whether Sub-Saharan Africa chooses to tow the same part or not.

-Lord

This isn't about pity-party, it's about not forgetting what they have done and are still doing. And the fact that folks don't care about the experience and what the generational dehumanisation has done to us, is the reason why they're still fvcking us up.

Look at the Jews and how they'll never forget the holocaust. Even in China: they teach all their kids about the opium wars and how white folks effed them up. Never forget.

Prince16:


U very well know d male gender rarely roll ds way,..... They always wanna explore. King Solomon prolly must have echoed ur thots till he found himself straffling 1000 women.

I hear that.

However, when you get a chic that's a prize (being a man in the dating scene is like being a prize fighter), you just have to do everything within ya reach to keep ya prize. Justine Skye is a prize - the chic is bad and super-talented.

Bifwoli:


Lol ,i learned not to judge a girl by only her looks because it can be decieving.

A real beauty is all about content of her CHARACTER.

Lol. Content of character sounds too cliche and overrated. A lot of these biitches running around today are fake/pretentious. Evidently you have to judge chics based on looks/attraction, what they have to offer, connection, and how they complement you.

Anyway, all these chics I see on all these bang bang naij pageants are basic average biitches. Heck, the chic next door is better looking than most of the ones I've seen since I've been on NL. Shyte, I've lost count of the utter useless pageants, from Miss Abuja, to Miss Aso Rock, to Miss Plastic, to Miss Sahara Desert, etc. These folks are just pimping/fvcking these dumb biitches for useless crowns. Dumb narcissistic biitches.

LordAdam:

Personally, I don't fault the Europeans. There is nothing the Europeans did that we have not done to ourselves over and over again.

In the height of the Bini empire, a dead Oba was buried with the heads of 2,000 slaves. These slaves were people after sacking a community or after war.

More powerful empires colonized less powerful empires. It has always been the ways of old. Japan colonized China and Korea at some point.

Although the animosity is still there, everyone has moved past that and are getting ahead with their economies (that are now trillion dollar economies by the way) and leaving the terrible events that characterize colonial rule for the history books.

Over here in Africa, we don't want to let it fly, because somehow we believe the rules for us should be different. That India, China that were colonized as late as 70 years ago and are now bigger than the economies of the countries that colonized them are not countries like us.

In fact, our Black chiefs and rulers share equal blame for whatever the colonialists did. And I don't believe black folks are enamored because of the massive slave trade. We are enamored because we're fuc*ed up naturally. It's been 60+ years after the slave trade, why are we still so screwed up as a people.

Why can't we see that as something to spruce us to surprise them. Jews died in their millions during WW2. Today, they have the highest per human capita of any ethnicity on the planet.

Or is it the Japanese and Germans that were humiliated (both in reality and in kind) in WW2 (Germans twice in WW1 and WW2). Until recently, Japan was the dominant economy in Asian, while Germany is still the dominant economy in Europe. It took both countries less than 35 years to get back on their feet.

Maybe we can keep passing the buck about, or we can just seize the bull by the horn. Even Ethiopia and Afghanistan that both have the unenviable record of never losing any prolonged battle against outside invaders are far worse than Indians that were pillaged by the Alexander, then the Mughal muslims, then the British.

The Europeans have done more than enough to pay back for their atrocities in Africa. They still send us aid, while our leaders stack our common wealth and same aid in their banks. They gave us bloodless independence. There's limited discrimination (that is decreasing by the day) on the World stage. What the Bleep have we used these privileges for?

-Lord

No, you can't absolve Europeans from the crimes they committed against black folks cos it's still on-going, albeit covert these days. That was the dehumanisation and pillaging of over 20 generations of black folks and generations of free labour and utter destruction. And we built everything they own today. The worst treatment in the history of humanity. However, unlike other folks, they never paid us reparations. So, they will never get a pass for what they did and white guilt will haunt them till they all perish.

The useless aids they send is for neo-colonialism and more of a Greek gift, than anything anyone should laud. For every $1million they give out in aid - they take $1billion back. That's the reality.

Regardless, the West African kings who ruled from the 17th century to the 20th century will never get a pass from me.They were all cowardly despots like the terrible leaders running around Africa today. And the folks were just as effed up as the white-washed black African folks we've running around today. Those from that era willingly joined the white man in destroying their problems cos most of the foot soldiers they used back then were Africans - just as the coons we've running around today.

stinggy:

No luck yet trying to download either. Saw the jstor.org read online but would rather I have it downloaded, for easier read and reference. The first keeps turning up some spam links.

Thanks all the same.

For the one on jstor.org, you've to register and read it online. It's only 14 pages.

As for the other book:

- This is the google scholar version: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=r-VkAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT87&lpg=PT87&dq=consul+beecroft&source=bl&ots=5aDLdjLFsB&sig=RKCURPk8fv4FXrtXZmf47XVY5to&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYjbOh147QAhVBJMAKHULYB78Q6AEILDAD#v=onepage&q=consul%20beecroft&f=false

- You can also buy it one amazon (the kindle version is far more cheaper than the hard copy): https://www.amazon.com/Nigeria-Under-British-William-Geary/dp/0714616664

Lol.

Yoruba demon is always gonna demonise.

But don't mess it up, bruddah.

Justine Skye is the prize - you gotta keep that chic and hide the other whores, with no paper trail.

Shyte, if I had Justine Skye backing her arse up for me every night - I won't go near any other woman for the rest of my life.

She's bad and definitely one of the most beautiful dark skinned celebrities ever.

OAUTemitayo:
mtchew

Lol, why are you always emotional every time I cite Egba in my posts, like I'm not 1/4 Egba?

You can whinge all you want, but you can't wipe out the 1/4 Egba blood flowing in my veins and arteries. And you definitely won't stop me from telling the truth.

If you don't know how complicit the Clinton family is in how effed up naij is - watch this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYRUOd_QoM

This is just a bit of the crimes of crooked Hitler-y and her husband.

A Donald Trump presidency could make the world a safer place, according to a former leader of the British military who dismissed concerns the Republican presidential candidate could damage Western security. Lord Richards of Herstmonceux, the chief of defence staff between 2010 and 2013, said Trump’s approach to foreign policy could “reinvigorate big power relationships” and in the process “might make the world ironically safer”. “There is a case for saying that big power politics is what we’re missing,” Richards said in an interview with The House, a magazine produced for British parliamentarians.

“In the Cold War era states coalesced and they had this understanding and it worked – even though there was a massive amount at stake, communications and mutual understanding between Russia and America wasn’t too bad.” Richards, who was Britain’s most senior military officer and is now a peer in the House of Lords, said there was no reason to think Trump would cause chaos: “It’s non-state actors like ISIS that are the biggest threat to our security. If countries and states could coalesce better to deal with these people – and I think Trump’s instinct is to go down that route – then I think there’s the case for saying that the world certainly won’t be any less safe.

“It’s that lack of understanding and empathy with each other as big power players that is a risk to us all at the moment.” While insisting he was no fan of either Presidential candidate, Richards insisted some fears of a Trump presidency on global stability are overblown: “I think he is wise enough to get good people round him and probably knows that he’s got to listen to them, and therefore I think we should not automatically think it will be less safe.”

The former military leader, who has a history of outspoken remarks since leaving office, also criticised Hillary Clinton’s proposal for a no-fly zone in Syria and suggested Western nations should allow Syrian leader Bashar Al-Assad to take back Aleppo: “I believe there is a strong case for allowing Assad to get in there and take the city back.

“The fact is, the only way to get it to stop now is to allow Assad to win and win quickly and then turn on ISIS with the Russians.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/donald-trump-could-make-the-world-safer-says-former-british?utm_term=.vkDBERVzM2#.qlo8myv6Bj

OPCNAIRALAND:


Whats title?

Thanks bro.

Nigeria Under British Rule (1927) by By Sir William M.N. Geary

OPCNAIRALAND:


Which King did not sell slave or kill numbers of people? None! Bloodshed is part and parcel with power and authority.

LordAdam:

Truth!

They are no different than the so-called leaders we have today. Fu*k up your fellow country men, but sit like a puppy against the white man (whether it is the West or Arabians).

-Lord

Personally, in as much as I believe that majority of black folks who were enslaved in the new world were captured and a lot of them were already in the Americas, coupled with the ones they took from Europe, after black rule in Iberia collapsed - I think if we're going to call out white for folks for the crimes they committed during slavery, the kings complicit in the act, shouldn't get a pass. They're the reason why we're effed up today as black folks cos if they had shown the type of faux-bravery/power they used in ruling their people to take the war to white folks when they came back for colonisation - we'd be better off today.

They all sold folks for stupid shyte, but when the real war came to defend their kingdoms against colonisation - they couldn't fight. Only Ethiopia was able to fight them off. Ditto those in Kongo, albeit they took heavy losses and later caved in.

Only Akitoye might get a pass from me cos he tried to stop slavery. However, the vested interests denied him.

OAUTemitayo:
You must be seeing Egbas in your dream

Lol. Why didn't you quote me? Scared much?

Don't turn this into Egbas vs. Ijebus cos Ijebus also sold tons of slaves. However, that doesn't negate my point about the Egbas cos they were instrumental in his defeat. And I believe Akitoye's mum was Egba and that might've also played a role cos he escaped to Abeokuta when Kosoko dethroned him.

Egbas loved white men back then and in return, the white man gave them Bible, munitions, and military training. Ever wondered why Ijebus who were the first naij folks to have contacts with white men, were the last to accept Christianity? And when Christianity came to Ijebuland, it came via the Egbas through Remo?

OPCNAIRALAND:
Hey Shymmex,
Get me all you can about this King. Its so much distortion about him in books and records but to hear direct from the one person who had close contact and a near-death encounter in his hands is priceless! I believed in what I read of him prior but, as shared by RZ, this signed letter shattered my belief, makes me suspicious now of what garbage has been taught to me about history of Nigeria.

Im dumbfounded! When they say the dead speak in their own defense, this is it here.

Sir William Geary talked extensively about him in his book with tons of colonial letters.