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Maynman:
Everything you are saying comes from a book written by an UNKNOWN PERSON.

Majority of what we know about Polycarp is from Iraenius, his student.

Maynman:
How do you know polycarp then?
Why is he relevant?

Didn’t i ask you, who made this people “apostolic fathers”?
Are they from Rome?

All your sources are dubious.

He's relevant because he was amongst the 1st century Christians leader.
His life and death are well documented. He died a martyr.
His letter to Philippians is one of the preserved early church writings

All your nonsense talk about Christianity designed or invented by Romans in the 1st or 2nd century or whatever lacks credibility.

There's no vacuum in our church history to insert a bogus fantasy Roman story.

Maynman:
Everything you know about polycarp is from ……

Which john the apostle were they disciples of?

Did I ever mention Polycarp relationship with John. Did I?
What's wrong with u bringing up things never raised.

My question is simple.
Was polycarp a Christian in the first century? Yes or No.

Maynman:
Why are you calling them fathers if they are not pope?
How do you know they are fathers?

There was no “Christianity” in first century.
The New Testament was written in greek, and it is written as CHRESTIANS!

You are the confused one, how many times was “Christians” used in the New Testament?

Father isn't the same thing as pope. U ignoramus.

Ok I will remove the father title if that's what confusing u.
Now who are Ignatius, Clement and Polycarp if there was no Christians in the 1st century.

Last chance to answer the question. Either answer or I end the conversation.
I don't have time for your whataboutism.

Maynman:
When did paul the apostle die?

Who is this polycarp??

Read about Polycarp here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp.

Now answer my question. Was he a Christian in the 1st century?

Maynman:
Which scholars?
Post them na.

It is Interesting that Ignatius of Antioch, writing c. 107A.D. made no mention of any bishop in Rome despite his emphases on obedience to the head elder in every other letter.

I didn't mention any bishop title in my posts. Stop debating what no one asked u.

Were there Christians in the 1st century? If your answer is no, then who are father Clement, father Ignatius and Polycarp.
Were they also invented by whatever as alluded by your confused colleague hackermind9009.

Maynman:
There was no “Christianity” in 1st century.


What century was the polycarp letter written)

104 AD. 4 yrs after 1st century. Virtually every member of the church in Philipi were born in the 1st century!!!

Maynman:
I wanted to show your folly, when was the second one written?
By who?

It’s a Pseudepigrapha!!!

Scholars in theology accept it was written by father Clement.
This conclusion came from the content and structure of the letter itself.
Your opinion doesn't count. Especially since u just knew about the letter today.

Maynman:
He spoke greek, what’s christ in greek?

Even in your New Testament,it was written as CHREST!

I thought u said there was no Christianity in the 1st century.
So u now believe father polycarp wrote to Philippians Christians in Greek language.

Maynman:
When was the second epistle writren?

So do u now believe father Clement wrote a letter to Christians in the 1st century.

Maynman:
Where did he mention “christian”?

And did he speak English?
What’s church in greek?

Hahahaha.
Someone mentioned Christ in his letter, u looking for the suffix ian.
Which is more important Christ or Christian?

See u clutching at straws, did he speak English. No he actually spoke Zimbabwe.

I wil bury u in 1st century Christian history. All the nonsense junks u ve been feeding yourself would clear from your eyes.

Maynman:
Yes who is father clement; bring out his work in 1st century christianity.
nowhere is he described as a bishop or called such until about 100 years after his death.

First epistle of Clement to the corinthians. Written in 70 AD.

Maynman:
You need to first have knowledge on who you are bringing in.
Where did he call himself a Christian?

Here is polycarp epistles to the Philippians.
Read it to know if he's a Christian.

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0136.htm

Here are excerpts from the letter...


Polycarp, and the presbyters with him, to the Church of God sojourning at Philippi: Mercy to you, and peace from God Almighty, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, our Saviour, be multiplied.

I exhort you all, therefore, to yield obedience to the word of righteousness, and to exercise all patience, such as you have seen [set] before your eyes, not only in the case of the blessed Ignatius, and Zosimus, and Rufus... they are [now] in their due place in the presence of the Lord, with whom also they suffered. For they loved not this present world, but Him who died for us, and for our sakes was raised again by God from the dead.

Maynman:
We have no good evidence that Polycarp [c. 69/80–155/166 CE] was a student of the Apostle John, but plenty of second-century “evidence” that associates Polycarp with the Apostle John. Francis A. Sullivan SJ explains, in From Apostles to Bishops, how Christian traditions about Polycarp grew during the second and third centuries:

Irenaeus [c. 130–202 CE] said Polycarp had been made bishop of Smyrna “by the apostles.” Tertullian [155–220 CE] later said that Polycarp had been made bishop of Smyrna “by John.” The letter of Ignatius to Polycarp makes no mention of his having been appointed by an apostle.

Since you've done some good reading of apostolic fathers.
Tell me who is father Clement.

Now we about to discuss 1st century Christianity.

Maynman:
in his Epistle to the Philippians, Polycarp does not mention ever having met John or any other apostles nor does he mention him having received anything directly from any of them.

I didn't ask u whether he met John. Stop answering question not asked.
Who is father polycarp, that's my question. When and how did he become a Christian.

Maynman:
All the gospel books were named by early church fathers.
You are worshipping a Roman Parody.

Don't worry we wil get there...
But first tell me who is father polycarp

Maynman:
There was nothing like “Christianity” in the first century.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVSMMThcPgs

Then tell me who is father Polycarp

Maynman:
https://www.nairaland.com/7788152/helios-christos

What u need is education on early Christianity in the 1st century. Christianity started in the 1st century AD not 2nd century.
You can start by reading apostolic fathers.
U want to engage me, read about apostolic fathers.

MindHacker9009:
You have not watched the video as you don't have data to watch a long video like that. If you did you won't have said that the video said your invented Jesus Christ was invenetd in 70 AD as there is no where in the video that said such, if not send a screenshot of the video timestamp where it says such.

Your video said vespesian invented Jesus after he became emperor and he crushed the Jewish rebellion. That was in the 70s AD.

MindHacker9009:
@SIRTee15
I have no time to waste with you any more until you stop fearing your invented Jesus Christ like slaves fear their earthly masters which was the whole purpose of your invented Jesus Christ.

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U for no run away make I chop your money.
U were on my neck to watch the video. now I don watch am, come defend the claim in the video u running away.

MindHacker9009:
@SIRTee15
The Greeks have been writing and keeping records using alphabets since the 9th–8th centuries BC that's before your invented Jesus Christ. Such information was not available to the whole world to see before, but now with the internet Greek/Roman history is now readily available online for the whole world to see. So if you want to continue to live in your ignorance that's up to you and my message is not for you but for those who are longing for enlightenment. Because your brain has been conditioned with the New Testament created to control slaves to obey and fear their earthly masters as they are to fear and obey your invented Jesus Christ does not mean everyone else should remain in bondage like you. We are now in the information superhighway and the world has moved on and left you still in the dark ages.

evidence like the video u asked me to watch.
The irony is that u dont even believe what's said in the video.
Bring the other evidence and let's debunk it.

Besides u are yet to mention my question. Which is the true Torah, Hebrew or samaritan.

MindHacker9009:
@SIRTee15
The Greeks have been writing and keeping records using alphabets since the 9th–8th centuries BC that's before your invented Jesus Christ. Such information was not available to the whole world to see before, but now with the internet Greek/Roman history is now readily available online for the whole world to see. So if you want to continue to live in your ignorance that's up to you and my message is not for you but for those who are longing for enlightenment. Because your brain has been conditioned with the New Testament created to control slaves to obey and fear their earthly masters as they are to fear and obey your invented Jesus Christ does not mean everyone else should remain in bondage like you. We are now in the information superhighway and the world has moved on and left you still in the dark ages.

I'm not interested in your balderdash. Simply give the 500 dollars to a neutral person and let me show u Jesus in the old testament.
Simple.

MindHacker9009:
I have already created it here: https://www.nairaland.com/7780719/easy-500-show-where-lord

I did but u didn't give me.
Eventually u ran away from the thread.

Give the 500 dollars to a neutral person with evidence, then see if u will not cry tonight.

MindHacker9009:
There is still $500 to be claimed here: https://www.nairaland.com/7780719/easy-500-show-where-lord but no one has come forward to show where God Almighty said in the Old Testament Jesus My Son, if trully your invented Jesus Christ is in the Old Testament.

You are the one who is very ignorant, if not you'll know there are different gods and one True God in the Old Testament. When Pharaoh's magicians threw their own rods on the floor and they turned to snakes, so it was The True God of the Old Testament that commanded the magicians to do so because God Almighty commanded Moses to do so.
In Jonah the sailors called on their gods, then they went on to cast lots which fell on Jonah. so to you it was The True God of the Old Testament that told them to do so. Casting of lots involves pagan divination. 

Even though the apostles were told by their invented Jesus Christ after his fake resurrection that in a few days he will give them his fake holy spirit they did not listen to or wait for him they went ahead and cast lots to know who to choose that will not betray them like Judas.

Which thread are u talking about. Something I debunked within few minutes.
You came there and couldn't decipher btw the mortal elohim from eternal elohim.
Even the owner of the thread couldn't defend the conspiracy theory he brought forward because he was confused.

Are these Nigerian girls truly home grown or Nigerian Americans?

Maynman:
There was no “Christianity” in 1st century.

Bring out the apostolic fathers, your ignorance will be exposed!

U know how to use Wikipedia. Go there and read about apostolic fathers.

MindHacker9009:
It's you who is a jocker as there are enough information now to show that Jesus Christ was an invented character. Even Paul too is an invented character as there are no historical records of Paul other than in the invented New Testament.

This was the real Jesus in the first century from Flavius Josephus the Jewish first century historian you made reference to before.

"But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the
insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader
was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain
of a band of robbers.

Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if
they had taken them in battle and not by surprise.
Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed
of principal authority among them, fearing what would be
the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans :
and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa-
sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise
them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole
city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to
the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to
punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that
though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the
security of their right hands, they had not yet found an
opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century

Ok fine. So what decade did Josephus invent this imaginary Jesus. Your video said 70 AD, should we go with that?

Maynman:
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Who made them “apostolic fathers”?
Are they from Rome?

Bye, when u ready to debate 1st century Christianity with me, let me know.
I'm not in for all your childish strawman argument.
This debate was about 1st century Christianity b4 u jumped in as usual with your garbage nobody asked u.

MindHacker9009:
You are the one who is confused here. If not you would know that the invented New Testament with Paul included in it was all part of the Roman empire invention of your Iesus (Jesus) Christos with Vespasian in charge of the invention with the help of Flavius Josephus a Jewish priest and historian who had switch sides to the Romans to save his own life from the Romans after he led the Galilee resistance against the Romans which I have already mentioned before. Emperor Constantine later made it the official religion of Rome now Europe who took it to the rest of the world.

Are u not the one that wrote that Paul claimed he saw the resurrected Jesus.
Now u claiming Paul was part of the script. Was he invented too? Who invented him? Vespasian, Constantine or Josephus.

This comedy from u jokers is beyond fantasy, it's turning to delusion. U guys cannot even gather your thought process and make a coherent claim.

Who invented Jesus and what decade was he invented.
Let's start from there and then move up.

Maynman:
Who were before the apostolic fathers?
Who made them apostolic?
Are they from Rome?

If u searching for the apostolic fathers in the 4th century, them uve lost the game before it began.

Research the apostolic fathers. Their discovery will shatter the nonsense evidence u parading up and down.

Maynman:
You are the ignorant dumb yahweh worshipper.

Send a link to the apostolic fathers that you read, you will be exposed.

Early Jewish Christians (i.e. the Jewish followers of Jesus) referred to themselves as followers of "The Way" (ἡ ὁδός: hė hodós) not “Christians”.

I'm not debating Christianity with u or what the early followers of Jesus was called.

My question is simple.
Who were the apostolic fathers?

MindHacker9009:
You are the one that has come very late to the game of your invented Jesus Christ. The followers of Serapis Christos have been called the Bishops of Christ and as Christians, meaning followers of christ. The religion of Serapis Christos has been around since at least 323 bc. In the Greek world when the Greek Ptolemaic Pharaoh's ruled Egypt, a new god was created. This god was named Serapis Christos. The purpose of this god was to unit the Greek and Egyptian pantheons. 

And then in the first century after Paul claimed he saw the resurrected invented Iesus (Jesus) Christos, a new sect was formed also called the followers of Iesus (Jesus) Christos .Some who followed Serapis Christos were confused and thought that Iesus (Jesus) Christos was the same as Serapis Christos. Some who entered into the Way of Jesus continued to follow Serapis as well thinking the two were the same.

Just as Paul was able to brainwash followers in the first century who were brainwashed by Paul that he had seen the resurrected invented Iesus (Jesus) Christos and they were called the followers of Christos and in turn emperor Constantine claimed he too had seen the resurrected invented Iesus (Jesus) Christos to lead him in a civil war battle and able to brainwash followers of Iesus (Jesus) Christos and the followers of Serapis Christos who were confused and thought that Iesus (Jesus) Christos was the same as Serapis Christos all joined emperor Constantine army to fight with Iesus (Jesus) Christos or Iesus (Jesus) Christos helping them to win the war. And the deal with Iesus (Jesus) Christos or Serapis Christos was to make Christianity the official religion of Rome now Europe which they took to the rest of the world.
Hope you got a good lashing from this piece of history you have never heard of before.

Mr Man gather your thoughts and arrange your story in chronological order.
So who invented Jesus. It's now Paul and no longer Vespasian or Roman emperor as your video claim.

Maybe we should go back to the basics and build from there.
Who invented Jesus and what decade was he invented.
Pls no long story, just simple short answers with factual evidence of necessary.
It's like u and the video u brought here are confusing each other.

My question is simple. Who invented Jesus and what decade was he invented?