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Maynman:
Your collection of books you call bible was assembled finally in what century?

You this ignorant wannabe atheist.
Go and read about apostolic fathers if u want to engage me

MindHacker9009:
You should ask yourself how did the Jesus Christ religion become an official religion in Rome and Europe which they imposed on all their colonies around the world.

The answer is that the invented Jesus Christ appeared 300 years later to the king in Rome and helped the king to fight and win his civil war in Rome and after winning the war the king made Christianity the official religion as this was the deal he made with the invented Jesus Christ. If this deal had not happened no one would know of Jesus Christ today. 

Now Christians have been deceived that the Jews rejected their messiah the invented Jesus Christ because he came as a gentle turn the other cheek messiah and not the warrior they were expecting but the invented Jesus Christ went to Rome to help the king fight and win a war for the king. If this doesn't convince you that you are following an invented messiah then nothing else will.

By the 2nd century, Christianity was well established. So u calling 4th century as the year Jesus Christ emerged shows u late to the game.
The issue we dissecting here is the 1st century. Go and read about Christianity in the 1st century and get enlightened.

Maynman:
All the surviving books of josephus is gotten from one of the early church fathers, Eusebius, a Known Forger.

I'm asking about the apostolic fathers not someone that lived in the 4th century.
If u dont know about apostolic fathers, go and read about them.

Sleekfingers:
A jew man that was paraded naked, beating to a pulp, before nailing to a cross like rat. Even cried to his father, but no help came.....

He did it for u. Jesus went through it all for u.
Reflect on this.

MindHacker9009:
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Went through the video. Same baseless and nonsense conspiracy theories as usual.
Emperor Vespesian created Christianity and imaginary passive Messiah called Jesus. The gospels were written by Josephus. Passive Messiah was created to make the rebellious Jews submissive to Roman authority....blablabla

The Jewish Roman war was btw 66 to 70 AD. The gospel of Mark was already in circulation prior to the war. Most of Paul letters were already in circulation and read aloud in churches.

The new testament mentioned real and well known figures of that time that had contact with Jesus and the apostles. These include Ananias the high priest, Caiaphas, Nicodemus, Gamaliel, Herod Antipas, Herod Agrippa, Governors Felix and Festus.

So Josephus forged a fictional book claiming the main characters are real and met these people
I mentioned above. Yet nobody questioned when Herod or Gamaliel met imaginary Jesus or Paul.

U guys must think people living in the 1st century must be so dumb that someone can sell a fictional Messiah that walked around Galilee and Judea; and the people would swallow it hook, line and sinker.
They had no reasoning capacity to question when and where did this imaginary Messiah emerge from.

Let me ask u a simple question? Have u heard of the apostolic fathers. Who are they and what's thier role in the early church.

This is what happens when godless illiterates begin to have opinion. They write nonsense.

So what happens in cultures where it's the woman that pays the dowry. That should automatically makes her the head of the house and by default can cheat while the man can't.

skj1377:
The flight ticket for 1 person is now N2 million so your saying a master's student can afford N4 million. Does the wife not video call the husband at night.? Am sure the wife knows the kind of man she married and does not mind . Women don't care once the man has enough to go round .

Is he earning in naira or which Kain question be this....

vdestro:
Are you not seeing that you are arguing with a person who is not ok at all? Do you not see that he is so mad that he edits your post?

Do you not see how mad he became, (exactly what mad people do) when you asked him if he is ok?

Sometimes u just have to indulge them to make them see their own folly

MindHacker9009:
You are the one not ok at all, when you can not even watch official video documentaries on the dead sea scrolls.
Making those documentaries requires solid research and not like your lazy kind of mindset that just takes in any ggabbage thrown at you like the invented Jesus Christ.

A similar level of research used in those documentaries is what is also used to make the technology you see today.

Bring whatever evidence they sprouting here. I'm in no mood for some concocted evidence based on inconsequential evidence that's bears no weight when examined empirically.

This is the compilation of your dead sea Scrolls. Over 99@% was compiled b4 Jesus was born.


Now answer my question. Which is the true Torah according to the dead sea Scrolls.
The Samaritan Torah or the Jewish Torah.

MindHacker9009:
You are the one lying, the dead sea scrolls also contain events during their time but there is no mention of your invented Jesus Christ.
You have been miss informed as those are not real Jews. When you cannot watch official youtube videos but believe in an invented
Messiah is the reason nothing true can make any sense to you now.

Well the different groups can have their own version of the Torah but it still remains the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments are the same, the crossing of the Red sea is the same, the Psalms are the same. Unlike your invented messiah with two different genealogies from King David even though it was a pagan Roman empire/Greek god that is his father. Even the fake resurrection all have different accounts.

Books written in 300bc will contain the life of someone who was born 300 yrs later? Are u ok at all?

Does the Samaritan have the true Torah? Yes or no. If there's is true. What then shall we call the Torah u guys are parading?

MindHacker9009:
The Jew converting to Christianity are not real Jews. Israel is planning on banning Christianity as they know it's idol worship as it has nothing to do with Judaism. Ethiopia was a Jewish nation from around the time of King Solomon and there were others too that converted to Jewdasim. Also God Almighty of the Jews sent Jonah a Jew to the people of Nineveh to give them HIS message. 

You are the one embarrassing yourself. It is actually the dead sea scrolls you mentioned that lead to research into the origin of Jesus Christ and they discovered that he was an invented messiah as there was no mention of Jesus Christ in the dead sea scrolls.
You have no access to quality information other than the lie you have been told to make you accept an invented messiah. The European gave you and your people Jesus Christ to control your mind to be waiting for a second coming, were as the Europeans are not waiting for second coming that's why the devort their time to developing their countries, but you and you people are waiting for you invented messiah that has gone to prepare an invention mansion for you. Keep waiting, you go wait tire!

The technology you talked about has given us access to information not easily available before. I bet you don't even have the means to watch this official youtube video, which those in developed countries can watch with ease and has made them more enlightened than yourself waiting for your invented Jesus Christ. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEScIUcvz0

Keep your wack conspiracy YouTube video to yourself. Not interested in works of nutjobs.

Stop lying, the dead sea Scrolls has nothing to do with Jesus. They were mainly old testament manuscript.

Read about Messianic Jews and stop embarrassing yourself.
1.6 million American Jews identify as Christians. 17% of russian Jews identify as Christians.
There are over 350 thousand messianic Jews who believes jesus is the Messiah- 20 thousand of them live in Israel.
That's why your crazy Benjamin netanyahu is running up and down like a shameless dictator because he knows the truth.

All your balderdash on European abandoning Christianity makes no sense. It wasn't their religion in the first place. There was christianity in Africa b4 it got to Europe.


Finally back to the dead sea Scrolls. Did those ancient manuscripts validate the Samaritan Torah as the true Torah. Yes or No

MindHacker9009:
Making you aware that your invented Jesus Christ is not the promised Messiah in the Old Testament does not mean one should not be technologically advanced. The Jews are worshipping the True God in the Old Testament and not your invited Jesus Christ and 20% of the world's Nobel prizes are held by the Jews in Physics, Chemistry, Medicine etc and they have contributed a lot to all the technology we are using today.

The Europeans that gave you your invented Jesus Christ, will never allow a teacher to teach Jesus Christ in their schools unless it's a religious teacher and the teacher will have to teach all the other main religions too. Even doctors and nurses cannot preach your invented Jesus Christ when on duty.

Your invented Jesus Christ is a psychological tool used to keep you under developed and it's time you all know this and start serving only the True God of the Jews in the Old Testament without your invented Jesus Christ who is a Roman pagan idol as the True God of the Jews in the Old Testament does not mate with people wifes like in the Roman empire. 

You have not answered the question I asked but you just want to invent your own answer just like your invented Jesus Christ so that you can get the $500. No matter how hard your try to invent your own answer it will not work.

Wannabe Jew, see him laying claim to achievement of another race. Are u a Jew or a black man from sub Sahara Africa.
Besides are u aware there are Jews who have left Judaism, atheist Jews and there are Jews who are Christians. So what exactly is your paint.
Your assertion of Judaism being the true religion is bogus and another empty rhetoric.
How did u come to learn of it, did any of your fathers worship God of Abraham,Isaac or Jacob. Did they know Moses.
But u have the gut to condemn those who chose to worship another Abrahamic religion different from yours.
If u think u guys have the true TORAH, ask the Samaritans and they will tell u that u are wrong.
Samaritans believe their own Torah is the true book given to Moses.
And u know the most interesting thing. The dead sea Scrolls shows that the Samaritan's Torah may actually be the right one.

guy u need to read more b4 coming here to embarrass yourself.

MindHacker9009:
Making you aware that your invented Jesus Christ is not the promised Messiah in the Old Testament does not mean one should not be technologically advanced. The Jews are worshipping the True God in the Old Testament and not your invited Jesus Christ and 20% of the world's Nobel prizes are held by the Jews in Physics, Chemistry, Medicine etc and they have contributed a lot to all the technology we are using today.

The Europeans that gave you your invented Jesus Christ, will never allow a teacher to teach Jesus Christ in their schools unless it's a religious teacher and the teacher will all have to teach all the other main religions too. Even doctors and nurses cannot preach your invented Jesus Christ when on duty.

The invented Jesus Christ is a psychological tool used to keep you under developed and it's time you all know this and start serving only the True God of the Jews in the Old Testament without your invented Jesus Christ who is a Roman pagan idol as the True God of the Jews in the Old Testament does not mate with people wifes like in the Roman empire. 

You have not answered the question I asked but you just want to invent your own answer just like your invented Jesus Christ so that you can get the $500. No matter how hard your try to invent your own answer it will not work.

Your epistle makes no sense.
I repeat....
U only have a leg to stand on if u not using any invention made by the white man that replaced the ones used by your fathers.

For your other epistles, u barking at the wrong tree. U should have asked me what I believe b4 wasting your time on irrelevance.

Most European countries are secular states and they want to keep it that way because religion should be a personal choice.
Religious indoctrination of any kind should be discouraged, people should be matured enough to make their own spiritual conviction and not be coerced into something they don't believe in or understand.
That's why I support religion should not be taught in schools. Kids instead should be taught good morals, and love for humanity. Religion can be taught at home.

FYI, the southern republicans in america are trying to bring religion back to school in form of creation science and I do not support it.

Are u surprised by my response? That's the beauty of Christianity. It allows u to think for yourself without being indoctrinated into some superficial dogmatic rules that has nothing to do with the faith in the first place.

Go and learn why the Gutenberg invented the first printing machine.

It's obvious u don't know anything about Christianity. I repeat, stop wasting your time here, go and attend Sunday school and learn the truth.

Your comment on Africa backwardness due to Christianity is laughable. How was the continent b4 the white man stepped foot on it. What were the invention lifted out of the continent and copied by others when we were pagans.
I take God beg u, pls don't mention ancient Egypt. Those people were different from present day inhabitants of SSA.

what gives u the assurance Africa will be wakanda if we abandon Christianity.
If u can prove it, I will be the first to lead the crusade against religion in Africa.

Maynman:
What does “mere mortal” mean?
Go and ask ask a Judaist to explain their book to you.
Read the verse bro

Psalm 82:1– yahweh standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the elohim.

Read!
A Psalm of Asaph, Psalm 82,” the first verse reads: אלוהים נצב בעדת אל בקרב אלוהים ישפט – Elohim Nitzav Ba’ehdat El Bekerev Elohim Yishpot – “…God takes His stand in the congregation of God; He judges in the midst of the rulers.”

A form of the word Elohim appears three times in this verse, the first time it refers to God(yahweh)Himself, the second time it is speaking of “the congregation of God,” and the third time refers to “the rulers” of the people. The human rulers spoken of in the context of this chapter are clearly “judges,” those who make judgements for the people.

I say you are elohim, you are sons of the most high.

These elohim will they die or not. Are they mere mortals?
That's my question.

I'm not interested in your definition of LORD, Lord or lord.

Maynman:
Psalm 82:1– yahweh standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the elohim.

Read!
A Psalm of Asaph, Psalm 82,” the first verse reads: אלוהים נצב בעדת אל בקרב אלוהים ישפט – Elohim Nitzav Ba’ehdat El Bekerev Elohim Yishpot – “…God takes His stand in the congregation of God; He judges in the midst of the rulers.”

A form of the word Elohim appears three times in this verse, the first time it refers to God(yahweh)Himself, the second time it is speaking of “the congregation of God,” and the third time refers to “the rulers” of the people. The human rulers spoken of in the context of this chapter are clearly “judges,” those who make judgements for the people.

The elohim that will preside over judgements with God, are they mere mortals not not.
That's what I want to know.

Maynman:
You are reading a VERSION not a Translation.
Calm down, I’m talking about the Second lord

In this passage the first word (LORD) in Hebrew is the four-letter (yud-hai-vav-hai) sacred name of G-d. However the second (Lord) is a completely different word spelled (aleph-dalet-nun-yud). Although this letter combination of letters can spell a name of God, there is no example in Tanach where this particular form (prefixed by the Hebrew letter “lamed- ל” which mean “to,”) is used to mean “to my God.”

In modern Hebrew, it is used like the English word "sir" or “master.” The phrase “slicha adonee” means “excuse me sir.” Based on this mistranslation many Christian English New Testaments intentionally capitalize the letter “L” to promote their opinion that this word is Divine.

The word Lord is simply adonai. adonai is a plural word, when used in singular form, it's lord.
The plural form L ord is used for God because all his names are plural.
While lord is used for humans like master.

The right word in this chapter is Lord. This Lord described here is a divine being and not mere human

He's at the right hand of God- son of God.

He has no beginning or end.
The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”

Maynman:
Where did you read psalm 82:5 from?

So god is presiding among the wicked?

Because that verse is talking about the wicked, the elohims that i said are people of authority that have been anointed, judges, rulers.

Verse 5 was talking about the wicked people.
Verse 6 is talking about the judges that presides with yahweh.

😂😂

Even your own laughter shows u not making any sense.
So judges that presides with God will die like mere mortals.

I won't continue to discuss divine theology with a confused atheist. Today he's pro- Muslim, tmrw he's pro Judaism, another time he pretends to be atheist.

I remember advising u to go learn from bible critics how to research the bible, it's obvious u didn't take that advice to heart. The reason for your continued embarrassment.

The thread owner has been very careful not to quote me. Obviously he quickly realised he dealing with things far beyond his depth and understanding.
Otherwise himself go collect.

Maynman:
Be careful of the bible VERSION you are reading.

In this passage the first word (LORD) in Hebrew is the four-letter (yud-hai-vav-hai) sacred name of G-d. However the second (Lord) is a completely different word spelled (aleph-dalet-nun-yud). Although this letter combination of letters can spell a name of God, there is no example in Tanach where this particular form (prefixed by the Hebrew letter “lamed- ל” which mean “to,”) is used to mean “to my God.”

In modern Hebrew, it is used like the English word "sir" or “master.” The phrase “slicha adonee” means “excuse me sir.” Based on this mistranslation many Christian English New Testaments intentionally capitalize the letter “L” to promote their opinion that this word is Divine.


This are JEWISH BOOKS.

The changing of LORD to Lord is a copy and paste problem.
All English bible refers to the first word as LORD which is YAHWEH.
All other sentence and words remain valid.

Maynman:
Where in the verse is this?
“ The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.”

The throne which is the davinic line will last forever.
See here.
Thus, it is said: “Solomon sat upon the throne of the Lord as king, in place of his father, David, and he was successful” (1 Chronicles 29:23).

And that psalm 45 was by sons of koher in a WEDDING, where the musicians doing the prophecy?

Is there any Davidic or Solomon lineage reigning on a physical throne today? Then psalm 45 cannot be talking about their physical lineage.
The Davidic line that will rule forever is the Messiah. And his reign is a divine rulership.

Maynman:
Where in the verse is this?
“ The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.”

The throne which is the davinic line will last forever.
See here.
Thus, it is said: “Solomon sat upon the throne of the Lord as king, in place of his father, David, and he was successful” (1 Chronicles 29:23).

And that psalm 45 was by sons of koher in a WEDDING, where the musicians doing the prophecy?

Here's psalm 82.

God presides in the great assembly;
he renders judgment among the “gods”:

2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.




It's not my fault u didn't see psalm 82.5 b4 jumping at the chapter as a defence against psalm 45, not knowing they actually confirm each other.
That's the problem with selective reasoning.

Maynman:
I’m using the Tanakh do disprove the nonsense you have in your Christian bible VERSION.

There’s a reason the jews reject Iesus chrestus.

So u believe in Judaism. U believe the tanakh is true.

Maynman:
You don’t understand the Jewish books you are gobbling.

A Psalm of Asaph, Psalm 82,” the first verse reads: אלוהים נצב בעדת אל בקרב אלוהים ישפט – Elohim Nitzav Ba’ehdat El Bekerev Elohim Yishpot – “…God takes His stand in the congregation of God; He judges in the midst of the rulers.”

A form of the word Elohim appears three times in this verse, the first time it refers to God(yahweh)Himself, the second time it is speaking of “the congregation of God,” and the third time refers to “the rulers” of the people. The human rulers spoken of in the context of this chapter are clearly “judges,” those who make judgements for the people.

The gods spoken about here are humans.
Yes we humans are gods but this verse clearly states these gods are mortal and will die.

“The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

The elohim spoken about in psalm 45 cannot be human because he will reign forever.

Your throne, O God,[c] will last for ever and ever;

Maynman is Noe officially an anti-trinitarian. See how she's using the bible to disprove trinity...no longer Wikipedia.

Maynman:
You just displaying your ignorance.
Elohim is not a chieftain title.
Kings are not only the one that are referred to as elohim.

Good, then Psalm 45 cannot be talking about any Israelite king.

This your earlier arguments are null and void.

MindHacker9009:
Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son

Help me look for where The LORD said in the Old Testament that the Roman empire invented Jesus Christ is His first son.

This is another one for u
Psalm 110

The Lord says to my Lord:

“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”

2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of your enemies!”
3 Your troops will be willing
on your day of battle.
Arrayed in holy splendor,
your young men will come to you
like dew from the morning’s womb.

4 The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

U dumb head that should be in Sunday school learning basic bible principles would come here with kindergarten knowledge to debate Christian theology.

Get ready my 500 dollars provided u have one in the first place.

And as for your statement about following white man's religion.
U only have a leg to stand on if u are not using anything invented by the white man that replaced what your ancestors were using.

Otherwise u only making a fool of yourself because u equally insulting your own intellect.

Maynman:
Elohim means gods.

The Hebrew language for Psalm 82:6 reads as follows: אני אמרתי אלוהים אתם ובני עלון כולכם – Ani Amarti Elohim Atem Uhvnei Elyon Kulchem – “I said, ‘you are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High.’”

U just jumping and down. You usual straw man argument.
The question is simple. Was the title elohim used for any Israelite king?
It doesn't matter if elohim is a Hebrew word or not. Or it can be used as gods.
Did any Israelite king ever called himself Elohim. That's my question.

Maynman:
God is a title, the god of the Israelite is Yahweh. Elohim means gods.

Read the verse again.

We talking in context here. Elohim was never used for any Israelite king.

Maynman:
The Davidic king is the earthly ruler of Yahweh people. In that capacity he is Yahweh surrogate, the representative of the actual and eternal king of Israel, Israel’s Divine Ruler.

Thus, it is said: “Solomon sat upon the throne of the Lord as king, in place of his father, David, and he was successful” (1 Chronicles 29:23).
Verse 7a, “Your throne, God [’Elohim], is for ever and ever,” is a parenthetical statement placed in the text to explain why verse 8b says, “therefore God [’Elohim], your God [’Elohecha], has anointed you.”

Elohim- God and Eloheka- thy God are titles used only for God.
Show me where these titles are used for Israelite kings.
The verse said the throne will last for ever and ever. Is there any Israelite king reigning today.

Try again, u beginning to sound anti- trinity than atheist itself.
Never knew u could believe in the bible- making reference to what's written in the bible. Be like say Wikipedia can't help this time.

Maynman:
You already started arguing from a place of ignorance.
Anointing was common among ancient Israelites, predominantly among the kings and later on to people going into office.
Anyone that is Anointed with Olive oil is called a Messiah, The Anointed.

Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Psalm 45.6-7

Who is being anointed in the verse. A God or a king?
When did Israelites kings start bearing the title God.

MindHacker9009:
From your quote in Psalm 45.6-7 when was the invented Jesus Christ anointed with oil and by who?

Also the invented Jesus Christ went up in the clouds but has not come down from the clouds for 2000 years now

I thought we talking about old testament, what has Jesus ascension or anointing got to do with the topic.
Why are u bringing new testament into the debate?
Do u actually know who Jesus Christ is?

Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Psalm 45.6-7

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Daniel 7.13-14

I'm beginning to think Seun and his crew are using this Japa/abroad relocation thread to generate traffic.

There are millions of Nigerians abroad who made that decision without announcing their intentions even to their neighbours so I don't understand the purpose of all these threads.

franchasofficia:
That field is becoming so saturated and Indians, Pakistanis, etc are gradually taking over that sector and they are always the first choice of white employers abroad.



That income isn't bad for a young single man living in Nigeria. He needs to stay back small, solidify his financial background in Nigeria, improve and polish his skills more before thinking of Japa.


If he travels abroad, and fortunately gets a job, highest he would get as a beginner is around $120,000 per month, which is like $10,000 monthly.


Deduct tax
Deduct his monthly rent
Deduct his phone bills
Deduct his internet bill
Deduct his car insurance
Deduct gas and others

He can barely save $3000 and that will come with living average life.


But with his $3,000 in Nigeria now, as a single guy, he can live like a king with $1,000 a month.

If as a family man, he's earning 10k per month and can't safe 3k monthly, then he needs a financial adviser. Maybe he needs his wife to manage his money.
What's he spending on that takes 7k monthly. That means anybody earning below 7k can't safe at all.

The way some of u exaggerate this cost of living abroad, u would think na elephant and hippopotamus dem they chop.