Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:42am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Answer it yourself, where did you read about it?
There is no history of Early Christianity; we have various manuscripts atributed to authors of uncertain provenance. 🥱🥱🥱 End of discussion. Denial of evidence doesn't validate a counter claim. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:37am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: There is no Iesus chrestus in history. It is a ROMAN PARODY
Did the earliest New Testament write “Christians”? Yes or no?
Great fire of rome was by chrestians, tacitus and suetonies talked about chrestians. So who was polycarp that died in 136 AD. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:36am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What does etymology mean?  Tell me the meaning of the Hebrew word yahadut. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:34am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What was alexander the great religion?
Empty barrel  There was no christianinty in first century, even the earliest New Testament never mentioned it! Were there followers of Jesus Christ in the 1st century AD. YES OR NO |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:32am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: 😂 Judaism from Yehudah comes from judah, one of the sons of jacob.
Lost slave said “hebrew etymology”  Stop selective posting. That's disingenuous. Do u know the meaning of etymology at all Confused illiterate.
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Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:28am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What is herod religious belief according to my posts?
Which agrippa were you referring here? “I hope u know the Herod family were partly Jews who converted to Judaism. So Paul wasnt speaking unknown language to him.”
When did agrippa 11 convert to judiasm Herod aggripa 2 came from herodian dynasty who embraced Jewish religion and are well versed with the Torah and judaism culture. Herod aggripa couldn't have confused Paul's preaching for some sun-god religion. That was my point. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:24am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What was Alexander the great religion?
You don’t “believe” torah, jews don’t take the tales literal like you are doing. U becoming a waste of time now. I will only reply your reasonable response. Your whataboutism will be ignored. Good thing u've learnt good stuff about 1st century Christianity. U can call your other atheist to come and learn. Don't be selfish, spread the enlightenment. Your pseudo knowledge about Christianity has been thoroughly debunked. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:20am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: It was a Chrestian gathering. There was no “christianity” in first century. If there was no Christianity, then who was polycarp who died in 136AD |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:19am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: These are modern names given by scholars, a jew person will be calling his way of life “judaism”? An English name, think na 😂😂 Judaism is derived from Hebrew etymology. U this confused otondo. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:14am On Aug 03, 2023 |
[quote author=Maynman post=124846046][/quote]So what does your post tells u about Herod's religious belief. Your own posts are nailing u.
Besides Paul was talking to herod aggripa 2 and not Herod aggripa 1. Learn the difference. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:10am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What was Alexander the great religion? What has herodian political affiliation got to do with their religious belief. Do they follow the torah yes or no. The Sadducees and Pharisees, do they follow the torah? Yes or no |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:05am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Read what you posted 😂😂 What exactly is the other truth? The site was a church in the first century AD. It was used for other purpose by the Romans in later century. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:03am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What century were they?
Let’s talk on the Clemens, so you can see the chrestians i have been talking about.
About a hundred years later (c. 200) a mithraeum , a sanctuary of the cult of Mithras , was built in the courtyard of the insula. The main cult room (the speleum, "cave" , [4] which is about 9.6m long and 6m wide, was discovered in 1867 but could not be investigated until 1914 due to lack of drainage. [5] & The exedra, the shallow apse at the far end of the low vaulted space, was trimmed with pumice to render it more cave-like. Central to the main room of the sanctuary was found an altar, in the shape of a sarcophagus, and with the main cult relief of the tauroctony [ (the image of Mithras slaying a bull) on its front face.[6] ¿ The torchbearers Cautes and Cautopates [ appear on respectively the left and right faces of the same monument. A dedicatory inscription identifies the donor as one nator Pnaanic Arrine Claudian. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Clemente_al_Laterano
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Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:01am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What century were they?
Let’s talk on the Clemens, so you can see the chrestians i have been talking about.
About a hundred years later (c. 200) a mithraeum , a sanctuary of the cult of Mithras , was built in the courtyard of the insula. The main cult room (the speleum, "cave" , [4] which is about 9.6m long and 6m wide, was discovered in 1867 but could not be investigated until 1914 due to lack of drainage. [5] & The exedra, the shallow apse at the far end of the low vaulted space, was trimmed with pumice to render it more cave-like. Central to the main room of the sanctuary was found an altar, in the shape of a sarcophagus, and with the main cult relief of the tauroctony [ (the image of Mithras slaying a bull) on its front face.[6] ¿ The torchbearers Cautes and Cautopates [ appear on respectively the left and right faces of the same monument. A dedicatory inscription identifies the donor as one nator Pnaanic Arrine Claudian. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Clemente_al_Laterano I know u not blind but deliberately manipulating evidence. This is from the page u lifted the half truth.
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Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 7:58am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Who told you they have stopped? U this confused guy. I'm asking when did Romans stop inventing Christian leaders, u showing me stuff about Judaism. What u even posted destroyed the nonsense argument u pushing against Judaism. Your post clearly states that Jews referred to their religion as judaism during the Babylonian captivity period. U be serious otondo. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 7:55am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: You don’t understand what you reading. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodians
Look up Wikipedia of yahweh and let’s see who is denying evidence. Your post says nothing about his religious belief. Did Herod believe in the torah, yes or no. Did Herod the great rebuilt the Jewish temple yes or no Was his grandmum a Jew by birth yes or no. What was Herod's the great religion? |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 7:52am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: What century were they? So when did they stop inventing Christian leaders. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 7:49am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: You can’t grow up as a “jew”, you are born into it.
And there’s nothing like “jewish religion”, learn illiterate. Then Wikipedia and artificial intelligence were wrong, isnt it? Denying evidence as usual. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 7:41am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Judah is an hebrew word, i said there was no religion called “judaism” . You this dullard. Herod the great grew up as a Jew and his family followed the Jewish religion.
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Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 7:40am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Who was talking to paul. Herod agrippa or Herod the great?
Herod Agrippa I, the king of Judea, was a supporter and follower of the Pharisees, one of the different sects of “judaism”. It's like u confused again. Even your post showed the family were followers of Jewish religion. Your post proved his father believed in Judaism. So what exactly is your point.
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Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 7:36am On Aug 03, 2023 |
MindHacker9009: Israel was a war zone from 66 to around 136 CE and the Romans invented the peaceful messiah called Jesus Christ as a psychological warfare as the Jewish Jesus in the first century were warlords, they were like the Talibans, Hisbila, ISIS there are today. The disciples and apostolic fathers stories were all invented as psychological warfare against the Jews. "But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain of a band of robbers." - The Jewish War 1st Century "Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if they had taken them in battle and not by surprise. Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed of principal authority among them, fearing what would be the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans : and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa- sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the security of their right hands, they had not yet found an opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century Sources: https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf
The Jewish–Roman wars include the following:
First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE) — also called the First Jewish Revolt or the Great Jewish Revolt, spanning from the 66 CE insurrection, through the 67 CE fall of the Galilee, the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple and institution of the Fiscus Judaicus in 70 CE, and finally the fall of Masada in 73 CE. Kitos War (115–117 CE) — known as the "Rebellion of the Exile" and sometimes called the Second Jewish–Roman War. Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE) — also called the Second Jewish–Roman War (when Kitos War is not counted), or the Third (when the Kitos War is counted). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars What about irenaeus and Tertullian. Were they invented too. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 1:47am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Judaism is from Judah.
“I hope u know the Herod family were partly Jews who converted to Judaism.”
Show me where you got this So if the word was coined in 2nd century BC, why would u say there was nothing like Judaism during the period of Herod in 1st century AD. U this otondo. Go and read about Herod family in Wikipedia. I'm not bringing anything here. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 1:10am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Hope you know judaism is from judah? One of the tribes in Israel. That's not what I'm asking. U wrote this.... Stop lying about herod, there was nothing like “judaism” then, we had different sect like essence, sicarii you are empty! So I'm asking was there a word called Judaism during the time of Herod agrrippa. . |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 1:08am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: You will be fine.
The books are forgery and the authors were assigned by early church fathers, so which apostles were the “apostolic father” seeing  Think na. Everything is fraud! don't worry event the apostolic fathers were fake. Even irenaeus, Tertullian and Eusebius were all fake. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 1:06am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: There was nothing like “religion” then, they worshipped gods. When was the word judaism coined. When did Jews start calling their religion Judaism. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 1:00am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: I am saying the gospel were written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS, so which apostle did the “apostolic father” see? Denial as usual. U will be fine. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 12:59am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Why was paul summoned?
Stop lying about herod, there was nothing like “judaism” then, we had different sect like essence, sicarii you are empty! So Jews had no religion during the time of Herod? |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 12:55am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Why will they write about him?
All the gospels were written by unknown authors. I'm not talking about the gospel, I'm talking about apostolic fathers. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 12:55am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: If you are not dumb, how is he then preaching? Dullard!
Paul Tells of His Conversion Back to To'rah and away from Persecuting To'rah keepers:
Act 26:12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from shamayim above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue (not Greek), Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the goads. Act 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Master? And he said, I am Yah'ushua whom thou persecutest. Act 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Act 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto Elohim, that they may receive forgiveness of transgression of To'rah, and inheritance among them which are purified by emunah / moral conviction ( pw faith) that is in me. Act 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the vision of shamayim (pw heaven): Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to Elohim, and do works meet for repentance. Act 26:21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of Elohim, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: Act 26:23 That Mashiak should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Act 26:24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad. Act 26:25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness. Act 26:26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner. Act 26:27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
We note the mention of the sun by Shaul during his vision of jesus and one would immediately perhaps see why Agrippa may think of Chrestos Helios / or Christ the true Sun, a very similar pagan image promoted later by Constantine with his supposed vision of a pagan cross in the sun. Yet if one were not listening correctly one would miss the revelation of Shaul's words
v13 "a light ABOVE the brightness of the sun" So Paul mentioned Torah, he spoke about Elohim and used the word masshiak. But Herod thought Paul was talking about some sun god. I hope u know the Herod family were partly Jews who converted to Judaism. So Paul wasnt speaking unknown language to him. The only person who is confused here is u. Anyway we've trashed 1st century Christianity beyond reasonable doubt. Go and read about Ignatius of Antioch. U mentioned him, do the work yourself. All these ones I brought here,u denied them. Tell me why it would be different for Ignatius. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 12:43am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: No one wrote about Iesus chrestus. But they wrote about Jesus of Nazareth in the first century. |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 12:41am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Where was paul preaching? In a church? In his defence in front of festus and Herod. Stop pretending u have a brain block. Answer the question and chop another embarrassment. Which character did Herod think Paul was preaching about when he said ' You almost persuade me to be a Christian' |
Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 12:38am On Aug 03, 2023 |
Maynman: Which scholars? Post them na. [b] It is Interesting that Ignatius of Antioch, writing c. 107A.D. made no mention of any bishop in Rome despite his emphases on obedience to the head elder in every other lette[/b]r. Obviously u lifted this from somewhere without acknowledging the source and making it look like it was your idea. because u had no clue who was Ignatius of Antioch. U became confused when I referred u back to this post. |