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12 yr old is too young to leave alone with kids especially a kid that's unwell.
She should not be changing diaper without supervision, let alone dispose it by herself.
You have to make it clear that she's in no position to inflict any form of punishment on the kids- physical or emotional. She should instead report the kids to u.

All in all a 12 yr old is a kid, they not too matured to take on a care giver responsibility. They should even be supported to take good care of themselves.

Ohyoudidnt:
Perharps. Who created whom or what we see as the devil? I seem to get the point of Rabbi Tovia that Christianity is based on a Superman like belief who always is on time to save the day and probably prevent all disliked things. Realistically this is not for life on this earth and is impractical.

Misunderstanding the concept of God's all-powerful and all-loving nature can be challenging. Our understanding of what is considered bad is limited and subjective. Short-term negative events can sometimes lead to long-term positive outcomes such as personal growth or societal progress. Our perspectives and understanding of the world vary greatly based on individual experiences, beliefs, and values. (did the one who was distressed not repent and refrain from bad acts?)

Labeling something as universally bad fails to consider the complexity of human experiences and perspectives. Therefore, it is essential to approach situations with an open mind and a willingness to broaden our understanding, recognizing that seemingly negative circumstances can eventually lead to positive outcomes.

Furthermore, the holiness of God is the reason disobedience is regarded as a very serious sin to God. He punish disobedience severely because it's considered an affront to his authority and attempt to corrupt his very holy nature.


I noticed u ask if God created the devil...well I dont want to go into detail but just know in the bible we have what we call the soul.
This soul is responsible for its action, action that comes from his thought process and inclination.
That's how God created the soul.
We don't believe the soul is a robotic entity that's been programmed to follow that which has been downloaded into it from onset. That's Islam and not Christianity.

Talking about rabbinical Jews, they base their interpretation of the torah on the Talmud which is mostly oral traditions passed down from generation to generation. It's more like someone said that, somebody knew someone that said that..like the Muslim's hadith.
I wouldn't base my exegesis of the bible on the Talmud which is influenced by the understanding of God during the Jewish Babylonian era.

If u want to know God, the only true God. I will advise you to study the Pentateuch in the bible. Read genesis to Deuteronomy to know the very true nature of the Almighty God. Then read the book of Isaiah to get a picture of the dynamic nature of God.
I can assure u will only come to one conclusion...the God of the bible IS NOT the Allah in Koran.

Ohyoudidnt:
Perharps. Who created whom or what we see as the devil? I seem to get the point of Rabbi Tovia that Christianity is based on a Superman like belief who always is on time to save the day and probably prevent all disliked things. Realistically this is not for life on this earth and is impractical.

Misunderstanding the concept of God's all-powerful and all-loving nature can be challenging. Our understanding of what is considered bad is limited and subjective. Short-term negative events can sometimes lead to long-term positive outcomes such as personal growth or societal progress. Our perspectives and understanding of the world vary greatly based on individual experiences, beliefs, and values. (did the one who was distressed not repent and refrain from bad acts?)

Labeling something as universally bad fails to consider the complexity of human experiences and perspectives. Therefore, it is essential to approach situations with an open mind and a willingness to broaden our understanding, recognizing that seemingly negative circumstances can eventually lead to positive outcomes.

The fundamental problem I can see in your write up remain the same initial issue. The God of the bible is not the same as Allah.

U would think this is like a diatribe or scorn. But it's the truth. There's no way u will compare the 2 deity thoroughly and come to a different conclusion as mine.

The problem with Muslims is that they read the bible looking for apologetics points or weak links in the bible to discredit christianity; they dont study it to know God.

God is holy, when I mean holy...the extreme form that beyond human capacity.
If u actually read the book of Leviticus, it will give u a glimpse of his holiness.
God requires very strict and detailed requirements during sacrificial offering. Just one mistake in the process is unacceptable, the consequences could be fatal for the priest or the whole nation at large.
The aim is to ensure that what goes up to him is a pure, undiluted, uncorrupted, unalloyed sweet smelling fragrance which is pleasing unto him.

When God descended to meet the Israelites in mount Sinai. He told them not to touch the mountain or they will perish. The priest who will ascend must consecrate themselves. This is God who wants to meet with his people yet will not tolerate any form of compromise with his holiness.

Read about holy of holies in exodus 28 to have better understanding of the nature of God.

When uzziah tried to prevent the ark of God from falling by touching it, (only the priest were allowed to touch the ark of God), he was killed instantly.
Even David was angry for the LORD's wrath against uzziah when he was only trying to prevent the ark from falling.
But David became afraid, the fear of the LORD's holiness came upon him and that day he knew what GOD meant by I AM HOLY.
GOD will never compromise his holiness whatever the circumstances.


Now I don't understand how such an holy God will accommodate sin, moral evil or disease. I don't get how such things can proceed from him if he's indeed holy.

There's nothing good about disease or illness. Sickness depresses the soul, destroys the body and makes the spirit fatigued.
All this talk about positive outcome is just a way for humans to cope with adversary. God cannot be holy and such impurity will proceed from him. It's just irreconcilable no matter how u look at it.

If disease proceed from God, then there's no reason why he wouldn't accept a defective or diseased animal as sacrificial offering if that's what is available.
He a very just God. He won't give stone and demand for bread neither will he give scorpion and demand for fish.

I don't think holiness is emphasized in Islam or in the Koran. I'm not sure it's a concept attributed to Allah. That's why u guys can ignorantly claim both evil and good proceed from God. it makes no sense.
If something is holy, it cannot accommodate evil.

Maynman:
Your case is critical.
The picture you posted said nothing about smoke from Food but mocking your dumb argument.
If not that you are mentally unstable you should realize that from the picture you posted lol.

We never talked on smoke from Food, there was no cooking but burning in those verses.
The chatgpt you posted only some specifics like fat and oil give smoke at certain temperature, and not all food generally.

I've been advised to leave u alone

Maynman:
Yahweh clown, read slowly.

"Smoke don't arise FROM HOTPLATE OR GAS when cooking unless na FIREWOOD"

You are mentally ill like yahweh.

Your case is beyond redemption. No be smoke from food carry us reach this level?
Ok do u now agree smoke do come from food when cooking irrespective of the source of heat.

Ohyoudidnt:
I very well am not so interested on how you define or understand God from your Bible. You are so fixated that nothing seemingly negative proceeds from God. You need to understand why these are and attest to the supremacy of Allah the only one worthy of all honour and praise.

The distressing spirit from God serves as a reminder of God's justice and the consequences of disobeying his commands. It highlights the biblical view of sin as a serious offense that requires punishment. It is not meant to be seen as God inflicting harm out of cruelty, but rather as a disciplinary measure aimed at bringing individuals back to the path of righteousness.

It is a call to align our lives with God's will and avoid the afflictions that come with disobedience.

God doesn't create moral evil, he's not responsible for it. evil doesnt proceed from the LORD. That's what my bible tells me.

“Thine eyes are too pure to approve evil, and Thou cannot not look on wickedness with favor,” (Hab. 1:13).

You are good and do only good; teach me your decrees. psalm 119.68

Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. James 1.13-14

The distressing spirit is obviously a mental illness. That cannot proceed from God because he is holy and illness is an infirmity, That's why there's no disease in heaven.
And the inhabitant of Zion shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity. Isaiah 33.24
Also read Isaiah 65:17-25

The distressing spirit on Saul is the result of the spirit of God departing from him. Yes, God allowed it but didn't proceed from him.

Ohyoudidnt:
You haven't provided indisputable evidence that Allah commands muslims to bow to a black stone.

well pictures dont lie. I've seen muslims multiple times bowing down in front of the kabba and even licking the stone for whatever reason.
Maybe u should listen to your Allah and stop worshiping your deity in front of a stone. it's idolatry.
Until Muslims stop bowing down in front a stone when worshipping their god, Allah isnt the God of the bible.
YAHWEH forbid bowing down before a stone even if sacred. He hates it.


“‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God. lev 26.1

Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God, and do not erect a sacred stone , for these the Lord your God hates. deut 16.22

God repeatedly warned Israelites not to bow to a stone or worship it. That's because worship of sacred stone is a common practice in the ancient Canaanite and middle eastern region. I guess that's where the pre-islamic arabia copied it.
God hates it and out rightly condemned it. Rather this is what God wants u to do to sacred stones.

Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces . Exodus 23.24

Maynman:
'Smoke don't arise from hot plate or gas when cooking unless na firewood" 😂 yahweh clown

So u use firewood to cook in your own kitchen. Ok let's call up your friend again.

Now let's see what this clown will say next.

People should just watch and see the next nonsense odour that will come out of his mouth.

Maynman:
Smoke is not an object to be smelt, the smell of smoke arises from what is been Burnt.

My father does not require burning of dead meat, and if my father needs a sweet aroma, going to burn things won't be his option.

Don't bring my father into this, use Jupiter or Zeus.

If u cannot produce evidence for something, learn to drop it.
Learn some manners.

Maynman:
If not for brainwashing that comes with worshipping dummy idols far away in middle east, this is simple enough.
The smell of smoke depends on what is burning.
Please don't bring my father into this.

Bring a verse where God smelled smoke and I will apologize for bringing your father into the discuss.

Otherwise u have to accept what is good for the goose is also good for gander.
If smell of smoke is good for my FATHER, I don't see why it should be terrible for yours.
Learn some manners.

Maynman:
If not for brainwashing that comes with worshipping dummy idols far away in middle east, this is simple enough.
The smell of smoke depends on what is burning.
Please don't bring my father into this.
Smoke don't arise from hot plate or gas when cooking unless na firewood.
All the verses mentioned burning not cooking, this argument is stupid.😂, Smoke from the food what about the drink?

I didn't know your yahweh is just like us, mentally unstable thing.

Smoke doesn't arise when cooking? U will know the lazy ones who never cooked.
Can't believe I have to use your friend again.

MyMadame pls come and teach your lazy man friend how to cook b4 he suffers someone's daughter to death in the kitchen.

Maynman:
It just shows what religion will make you defend, murder, genocide, rape, slavery etc.
Yahweh clown, he has reduce his god to himself that smells aroma like him 😂😂

If not for moral degeneracy that comes with godlessness. I wonder how someone can reason like u and insist the smoke from fire is something desirable.

Can u stand in front of your father and ask him to smell the smoke from the food u are cooking for him.
Can u ask him to come and perceive the smoke rising from the cooking pot.
But believes God should do that.
Bunch of mannerless creatures with cognitive dissonance.

Aemmyjah:
That guy will never accept anything but rather bury his head in the sand
According to him, he only smell smoke and poop
Smoke can come from burning Tyres, plastics wood, animal or flesh, foodetc... What kind of smoke comes with a sweet smelling aroma?
All the smell he's known all his life is smoke and poop. You should not discuss further with him

I taya.
He wants to pin the argument that Jephthah killed his daughter on the fact that burnt offerings produce smoke which only comes from burning dead meat. That it's the smoke from the burnt offering that God wants to see.

Very illogical and not based on any sound biblical doctrine.
I've been begging him since yesterday to produce just one bible verse to support his argument. He couldn't, instead he's been posting encyclopedia, Google and stuffs from junk conspiracy website as evidence.
Yet he told me to ignore the expertise of a rabbinical theologian.

Something is wrong somewhere in that boy's brain.

Maynman:
You don't inhale smoke, only smokers do that. When someone is smoking beside you, you smell the smoke automatically.
The aroma is as a result of burning.

If I am looking for a sweet aroma, why would my option be to go and burn dead animals why not buy incense or perfume so your god can smell it lol

Now that u agree I can perceive aroma of a cooked food without the smoke. Why then should I care about the smoke.

Why should God care about the smoke. What has the smoke got to do with the aroma.

God cares about the aroma and not the smoke.

Anything burnt will give smoke but not everything burnt will give good aroma. That's why God has stringent requirements about what was brought as offering. He wants the aroma from the sacrificial offering and not the smoke.

If u continue to argue about the smoke, then show me where God smelled the smoke and spoke about the smoke from the burnt offering. Otherwise I will simply ignore u.

Maynman:
You don't inhale smoke, only smokers do that. When someone is smoking beside you, you smell the smoke automatically.
The aroma is as a result of burning.

If I am looking for a sweet aroma, why would my option be to go and burn dead animals why not buy incense or perfume so your god can smell it lol

No where did it mention burnt offering here which is olah.
this is a food sacrifice, one of the other types of korban
Lev 2.2
When anyone brings a grain offering to the Lord, their offering is to be of the finest flour. They are to pour olive oil on it, put incense on it 2 and take it to Aaron’s sons the priests. The priest shall take a handful of the flour and oil, together with all the incense, and burn this as a memorial[a] portion on the altar, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord.

Get this to your skull, olah ALWAYS mean Burnt sacrifice in context,Olah is just one of the Korban lol.

You just muddling things up.
Do God require only dead meat to have sweet smelling savour.
Do God only accept dead meat to have aroma as offering.

The root word of olah has already been thrashed, not going back to it.

Now look at u wrote and compare to the nonsense u arguing up there. Was there aroma from the burnt grain offering?
Cognitive dissonance at play.

KnownUnknown:
Bla bla bla

Do some research, then come back and critic my post.
Happy to have your mention anytime T.

MindHacker9009:
God said to the Jews in Isaiah 49:6 "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

U quoting from the book of Isaiah. I thought u said the old testament we have was written by the Romans.
So which one should we believe now🤷🤷🤷

MindHacker9009:
You are the one that lacks any form of critical thinking, which is the reason you've been brainwashed to just believe all the nonsense you have been brainwashed with. Your invented Jesus christ is not a black man so your delusion  is the real delusion.

God said to the Jews in Isaiah 49:6 "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

If you can reason you will ask yourself how your invented jesus christ came to your location in Africa. I will tell you how because you have no brain to reason. You're invited jesus christ came to you in Africa because your invented jesus christ appeared in Rome 300 years after his fake ascension into the clouds to help a Roman emperor to fight his own civil war in Rome and the deal was that if he wins then your invented jesus christ becomes the official religion and that was why it was brought to you in Africa. Your invented jesus christ did not help his own people in AD 70 win their own war against the Romans but waited till 300 years later to help the Romans fight their own civil war in Rome. 

When you grow up we can have a mature discussion to expose your invented jesus christ, but for now you still have the mind of a kid that needs to be spoon fed.

U talk too much. Junks as usual.
Let's have the debate Yes or No
But start by replying to the historical evidence of Jesus I posted in your previous thread.

KnownUnknown:
Bla bla bla

🤷🤷🤷
It's what it is my friend. The truth with sound logic.

I'm yet to see any atheist or bible critic that can defeat this sound logic.😎😎😎😎😎

Maynman:
The joke that a rabbi is Judaism, I wonder if a pope is Christianity.

Yahweh clown thinks everyone is a believer like him, because someone is a rabbi I just believe his word verbatim, as if I can't do my own learning.

Learning from where, Google, encyclopaedia....

Let's start from the basic, can u speak Hebrew, can u read the Masoretic Hebrew Bible?
What Judaism literature work have u ever written in your life.
So u want me to believe your junk above a rabbinical professor of theology who is also the vice president of a body consisting of over 1000 synagogues.

I'm sure at this stage u will agree with me u no well.
U need a mental assessment ASAP.

Maynman:
Your God is worthless Yahweh. Smoke goes up, smoke is a result of chemical reaction, the chemical reaction produce aroma.

Are u saying I must inhale smoke b4 perceiving aroma. Is that what u saying.

Maynman:
And i told you the sweet savor from all the verses you mentioned talked about BURNING DEAD MEAT

How many times will you get that to your skull?

I know say u need glasses, I just don't know how big it should be.

Lev 2.2
[i]When anyone brings a grain offering to the Lord, their offering is to be of the finest flour. They are to pour olive oil on it, put incense on it 2 and take it to Aaron’s sons the priests. The priest shall take a handful of the [b]flour and oil, together with all the incense, and burn this [/b]as a memorial[a] portion on the altar, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord.


Jephthah offered her daughter's chastity as a pleasing aroma to ascend into the Lord.
No fire, no smoke, no killing. 🫣🫣🫣😎😎😎

KnownUnknown:
No narrative that can change what’s written in the myth of the Hebrews about their god. Probably the most repulsive creature in all of literature.

U are a good person with sound moral conscience. That's why u disturbed by the genocides in the old testament, every good person should be disturbed. But the question is should God be disturbed?

When we cut down trees, clear forest to build our fancy houses, do u give regard to the feelings of the plant world.
When we slaughter animals at will, snuffing life out of them, do we care about the moral fibre of the animal kingdom. I'm not sure they are happy we humans slice their throat with a knife.
But we do it anyway. Why? because we not bound by the moral code of conduct of the plant or animal world. How they feel about what we do to them is none of our business.
We have our own rules for them and that's what we humans follow.

Same for God, he's not human. He's not made of matter, doesn't occupy space and cannot be measured by any physical dimension known to us including time. Thus, he's not bound to our own rules of moral code of conduct.

Death is a factor measured by time. It determines when we exit this world. For us, it's the end.
Death to God simply means separation of soul from the body. It doesn't mean the person stop existing. The person just transited from one realm of existential reality to another. Simple.
It's like moving someone from one house to another. How does that disturb God? Why should be troubled because a soul he created simply moved house.

We simply judge the genocides of the old testament with human prism of our physical reality and dimensions. God exist outside of it, he doesn't need to obey or follow it. God has his own rules for humans that determine his action on us.

MindHacker9009:
The Old Testament we have today was written in Rome after the Roman empire destroyed the Temple in ad 70 and took the original Jewish Torah away to Rome from which they then rewrote the Old Testament we have today, this means we don't have the Original Torah True God gave to Moses.

Hmmm
So u deny the present old testament scriptures. The real Torah was taken away by the Romans. Sounds like some islamic dawah script- they also claim the real injil and Torah is lost.

But the question is what about the dead sea scrolls. They were written prior to the Roman invasion. Have u bothered to check them to know what the scripture looks like prio to Roman invasion.

Have u heard about the ketef hinomm scrolls. They are dated to the 6th to 7th BC and has fragments from the book of numbers.

What u doing is hiding behind one finger. Your assertion can't pass any scientific or theological scrutiny.

MindHacker9009:
Your evidence is baseless as you have no evidence from any eye witness account of your invented Jesus Christ.

Have u heard of the Didache manuscripts. Let's start from there.

MindHacker9009:
Your evidence is baseless as you have no evidence from any eye witness account of your invented Jesus Christ.
For you to believe that your pagan god mated with Mary, another man's wife to produce himself and then offer himself as a sacrifice on the cross to himself, shows how shallow and senseless your posts are.

Show me any verse in the scripture that validate any of the vomit u posted up there. Just one.

Or do u want us to go for another debate to debunk the stupidity u posted.
Are u ready for another intellectual debate?
I guess not....u will definitely run like a coward u are to open another senseless topic.
U lack any reasonable sound mind to defend your claim...all u do is parrot up and down what u've been brainwashed with. And since u lack any critical thinking to guide your thought process, u are bound to be a slave to them.

Imagine a black man from africa claiming to be a Jew. The delusion is real.

MindHacker9009:
Someone who can use the brain God has given him/her will know they need to filter out the True God from the different God/gods in the Old Testament.

Go and respond to the historical Jesus evidence I gave u in the previous thread u created.
If u fail to do that, u are just an intellectual coward who runs away from defending his claims because they are shallow and senseless.
Yet goes up and down constituting nuisance by opening multiple meaningless threads about allegations that have been thoroughly debunked.

Maynman:
What is this man using to smell?


Smoke GOES UP

Then show me where God smelled smoke.

I already told u I can perceive aroma of a food cooking without inhaling smoke.
How many times should I spell it for u.

Maynman:
What does expert in judaism mean?

Is he more expert than midrash or talmud?

The joke is on u.

Maynman:
You are the one that lacks what diffusion means, I told you to explain what you mean by smoke AND aroma both spreading out.

What exactly is the screenshot for?

Is professor Jonathan mangonet as expert in Judaism?

Maynman:
The content of all the verse you mentioned is burnt offering
All the verses you mentioned said burnt offering then after sweet savor.

Burning Smoke goes up always.

What you arguing is very stupid walai lol

Did God smelled smoke or aroma?

Maynman:
what goes up is the smoke, the smoke contains the smell.

Do I need to smell smoke for me to perceive a food being cooked.
Alawada ...

Just go and find me one verse where God smelled smoke in the bible.

Otherwise call it a day. U lost this one already.

Maynman:
Rabbi means teacher, how is he "judaism"?
The joke is on you.

So your chemistry teacher who failed to teach u diffusion is a rabbi then...
Alawada...

Maynman:
How is he judaism?
Is he talmud? Midrash? Tanakh?

U asking a rabbi how he's Judaism?
The joke is on u.