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TimeManager:
Every indices are getting worse both human development index, security index and human right index. It's all about media window dressing for him just like a certain candidate in Nigeria who loves moving around with cameras.


-Kiss the truth!

U should be ashamed of yourself.
The best performing economy nations right now are not democratic nations
UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, China.

Travel to Dubai and see the mounting number of westerners making it home working common jobs like teachers and customer care.
There are over 250 thousand British living in Dubai as at this year.
Yet Dubai is non democratic.

Democracy had his day but what people need now is economic opportunities. If it's a authoritarian that can deliver, then let him be.

I was thinking U will highlight his economic failure only for U to dabble into anti democratic tendency

Who democracy help. We have seen democracy govt all over the world and we now know it's not a panacea to development.

Antichristian2:
Was it same Judas that threw the 💰 on the ground and went to hang himself picked the money again to buy the land?

The authorities bought the field with Judas' money. It was blood money and couldn't put the money in the treasury.
They used the money to buy the land where Judas hanged himself.

Death by suicide hanging is abominable in Jewish custom, it was going to be difficult to sell the land to someone.
The practical thing was to buy it and use it as a graveyard for strangers and foreigners.

Dogalmighty17:
You'd need to know that none of the gospels were actually written by the apostles they were named after. And the earliest of them was written 70 years after the death of Jesus. It is hard remembering in detail incidents that happened decades ago. Even more so when the author didn't witness it but is writing based on narratives that were passed down.

The Bible is filled with such contradictions.

If I ask U to produce evidence for your bogus claim now, wahala go start.
U will begin to write long essay devoid of any evidence.
Na the issue I'm facing with one of U here called Lucyfre.

I wrote earlier that Kemi is fighting too many battles at once, unfortunately she didnt't listen. she was determined to be the next Margaret Tatcher of uk.
The truth is Kemi just doesnt have it in her as a leader. she lacked the charisma and focus. maybe she's better off as a technocrat or something.
Too much unnecessary energy dissipation, fought imaginary enemies and didn't get it right being an ethnic minority in that position.
I think being married to a white man got too much into her head and was carried away thinking she's somehow white.

There are things Donald Trump as a white man can say and get away it, Barack Obama dare not utter it, he will be impeached the next day.
Another person that will bite the dust if he continues with his delusion is Vivek Ramaswamy- america no dey too waste time reminding you who u be.

besides being the saviour of western civilisation is useless. western civilisation is declining and uk in particular dont want to be saved. it's too late or should I say the system is too broken to be repaired. Everybody is simply waiting for western civilisation to implode.
I doubt much can be done about it anyway

DrRasheed:
honestly speaking it does meet the requirements, sometimes even outweighs the requirements cuz I apply for lower positions too

I don't have access to the email anymore.
Look for any of my religious post and drop your response.

creativejagaban:
The feature will not be effective because if raccoon blocks me and mrvitalis quotes my post, raccoon may then see my post via the mrvitalis' quote

I.rhink it's targeted if U don't some people quoting U.

DrRasheed:
Examples:
- 1 John 5:7 (the "Trinity verse" appears in the King James Version but is absent in many modern translations because it was found to be a later addition and not in the earliest Greek manuscripts.
- Mark 16:9-20 (the "Long Ending of Mark" is also missing or footnoted in modern translations because the earliest and most reliable manuscripts end at Mark 16:8.

These are not just about English understanding — they are about real textual differences that scholars, including Christian scholars, openly acknowledge.

In contrast, the Quran has one text in Arabic globally, unchanged for over 1400 years — and every translation is called just a "translation," not a "version."
So it's not fear that's the reason Muslims do not convert; it's faith, reason, and textual consistency that give many Muslims confidence in Islam.

are those textual variant u mentioned seen in all ancient bible versions at that time?

what I mean is if I open the peshitta, latin vulgate, greek manuscript, armenian bible, coptic new testament, Garima gospel, gothic bible, all written the 5th century; will I find these so called corrupted verses in all these bible versions?

Truthseeker10:
So if Jesus disciples are one-meaning that they are united with other believers as Christ body, what does Jesus and his father are one mean? Does it mean that Jesus and his father have one body or that they are united in what they do?

John 17:22.KJV.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one


One existence as what, one person?

Believers including Jesus disciples are one as a church.

Father and Jesus are one in divinity. The head of the church.

U don't extrapolate things of the physical world unto the spirit realm. That the Church is the body of Christ and he's the heas doesn't mean we referring to a physical body.
It's a metaphorical way to explain the relationship between the church and God.

Existence as a being. A being is an existence.
God is ONE BEING, HE'S ONE EXISTENCE.

PERSON IS MANIFESTATION/FUNCTIONALITY OF A BEING.

MAN IS A BEING- ONE EXISTENCE WHO MANIFEST (normally) AS ONE PERSON.

GOD IS A BEING- ONE EXISTENCE, WHO MANIFEST AS THREE PERSON.

Truthseeker10:
What exactly is the church, The people or the building?

When you say God is one, are you saying God is one person?

Bible defines the church- the body of Christ. When U follow Jesus Christ, U are united with other believers in Christ's body which is the church and Christ is the head of the church.

Buildings cannot be church, and do not confuse denominations with church.

God is one existence.

Truthseeker10:
What does it mean for Jesus disciples to be inseparable as the church and what part of divinity was Jesus and God inseparable?

The church is the spiritual unity of all Christians. The church makes all Christians ONE which is the body of Christ.

The divinity is what makes the Father and Jesus God. The divinity has no part, it's one.
God is One.

Abraham couldn't have been a Muslim, he saw God entered his creation and had a physical encounter with him here on earth.

Moses couldn't have been a Muslim, God told Moses to call him Father.

David couldn't have been a Muslim, he sang and DANCED unto the Lord.

Elijah couldn't have been a Muslim, his name means My God is YHWH

Jesus couldn't have been a Muslim, he called God Father.

Truthseeker10:
John 17:21 below. Was Jesus praying for his disciples to be equal with the father?

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Who and who is one?
Is English comprehension that difficult for U?

When did 'in us' mean 'with us'

The verse said Jesus prayed for the disciples to be ONE- inseparable as the church, just as him and Father are one- inseparable in divinity.
Then the church to be inside God.

So how does above translate to disciples being one with God? 🤷🤷🤷

Now let's understand what it means to live in God.

1 John 4
12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.

15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them


As we can see, John 17.21 NEVER SAID DISCIPLE ARE ONE WITH GOD INSTEAD IT AFFIRMS ONE OF OUR CORE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE- WE ARE IN GOD JUST AS GOD IS IN US.
THAT WE ARE IN GOD DOESN'T MEAN WE SHARE HIS DIVINITY.

Westerhoffe:
Question 1.
Let Kobojunkie, MaxInDHouse, or who is this third guy… I've forgotten his moniker, they can answer that question.

Question 2.
Let me ask you, do you think a soul, has no body in its realm?

Man is a spirit that dwells in a body with a soul.

Now are U saying that's the same for God?

Are U saying God is a spirit with a body?

I relate U with Jehovah witness because they are ones that claim God has a body in order to deny the deity of Christ.

Truthseeker10:
Kindly show me where Jesus said he was equal with the Father since you are claiming that The jews were correct in their deduction.

If the Jews were wrong, the scripture will say so.
That statement is too powerful to slip by without correction if it was a wrong deduction.
The writer of the gospel of John had the holy spirit in him when he wrote the book!!!

If you reject it, that's on you.

Anyway Jesus said elsewhere
John 10
30'I and the Father are One'
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,

[quote author=Westerhoffe post=135089323][/quote]Let me ask u 2 questions.

1. are u Jehovah witness?

2. Does God have a body?

Lucifyre:
😅 The narrow minded view portrayed by the bolded immediately spelt out this is an epistle of dross sprinkled with typical indoctrinated nonsense that i have no interest in reading through. Just the typical frothing at the mouth by the delusional once their baseless beliefs are held under a microscope. I couldn't care less about you accepting whatever 'opinion', as that's a fool's errand i have no intention of running.

Luckily facts are facts and objective despite subjective opinions or beliefs. Your accepting or not accepting them is of no value. Just like there are simpletons who say the earth is flat, it doesn't change the fact it's spherical despite their baseless opinion and beliefs. The irony here being that even those who believe in non-eyewitness testimony over empirical evidence can't even agree and come to a single objective conclusion.

They can neither agree on the actual collection of the contradictory baseless pseudepigraphic texts, neither can they come to a conclusion on the interpretation of said texts as no 2 christains agree on interpretation of the texts from cover to cover. Instead, split up in 45,000 ways of differing opinions, raising noses at each other and even outrightly killing each other with a god whose not an author of confusion at the centre of the circus and clown show.

And somehow this subjective baseless undemonstrable and inconsistent clownshow with zero evidence of the mythological claims, has weight over factual objective empirical evidence. An unfunny joke if I've ever heard one. Maybe instead of frothing at the mouth as if rabid, you guys put that energy into getting the circus of clowns together to form an objective stance with an objective canon and noncontradictory texts with eyewitness testimony at least.

Maybe just maybe when the circus gets its act together, then unverifiable contradictory non-eyewitness testimonies would outweigh objective empirical evidence. Have a nice life ✌🏾

None early church Fathers contradicted each other when it comes to the authorship of the gospel. None.

These were men with independent mind and highly opinionated who were never afraid to call out whatever they think it's wrong or false
Yes they didn't always agree on so many things pertaining to their beliefs.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE AUTHORSHIP OF THE 4 GOSPELS, THERE WAS A UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT AMONGST ALL EARLY CHURCH FATHERS IRRESPECTIVE OF SECTS THAT THE GOSPELS HAD THE CORRECT AUTHOR PINNED TO IT.

NONE CHALLENGED THE CLAIM OR DOUBTED IT OR MADE A CONTRARY THE CLAIM.

NONE EVER ASCRIBED A CONTRARY NAME TO ANY OF THE GOSPEL.

NONE EVER CALLED THE 4 GOSPELS PSEUDEPIGRAPHA, NONE EVER SAID 'WE DONT KNOW WHO WROTE THE GOSPELS.'

NO WONDER THE EARLY CHURCH CALLED THEM MEMOIRS.
A BOOK WRITTEN BY AN EYEWITNESS.

You can continue to deluded yourself with bias, subjective, non-substantiated, non factual evidence thrown around by historians calling themselves bible scholars.

I CHALLENGE U TO BRING ONE FACTUAL EVIDENCE...JUST ONE, THAT PROVES THE BIBLE AUTHORS IS ANONYMOUS.

Here is another factual evidence from one of the church fathers stating who wrote the gospel of Mark.

Lucifyre:
😅 The narrow minded view portrayed by the bolded immediately spelt out this is an epistle of dross sprinkled with typical indoctrinated nonsense that i have no interest in reading through. Just the typical frothing at the mouth by the delusional once their baseless beliefs are held under a microscope. I couldn't care less about you accepting whatever 'opinion', as that's a fool's errand i have no intention of running.

Luckily facts are facts and objective despite subjective opinions or beliefs. Your accepting or not accepting them is of no value. Just like there are simpletons who say the earth is flat, it doesn't change the fact it's spherical despite their baseless opinion and beliefs. The irony here being that even those who believe in non-eyewitness testimony over empirical evidence can't even agree and come to a single objective conclusion.

They can neither agree on the actual collection of the contradictory baseless pseudepigraphic texts, neither can they come to a conclusion on the interpretation of said texts as no 2 christains agree on interpretation of the texts from cover to cover. Instead, split up in 45,000 ways of differing opinions, raising noses at each other and even outrightly killing each other with a god whose not an author of confusion at the centre of the circus and clown show.

And somehow this subjective baseless undemonstrable and inconsistent clownshow with zero evidence of the mythological claims, has weight over factual objective empirical evidence. An unfunny joke if I've ever heard one. Maybe instead of frothing at the mouth as if rabid, you guys put that energy into getting the circus of clowns together to form an objective stance with an objective canon and noncontradictory texts with eyewitness testimony at least.

Maybe just maybe when the circus gets its act together, then unverifiable contradictory non-eyewitness testimonies would outweigh objective empirical evidence. Have a nice life ✌🏾

Joker.

Your whole ranting is based on subjective and non factual evidence
No bible scholar can produce any FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIM OF ANONYMITY OF THE GOSPEL AUTHORSHIP OR DATING OF THE GOSPEL.

I REPEAT.

THERE IS NO FACTUAL OR OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT WHATEVER ANALYSIS THESE BIBLE SCHOLARS HAVE TO BACK THEIR CLAIM. NONE.

THAT IS WHY THERE IS ALWAYS A PROGRESSIVE SHIFT IN THEIR TRAIN OF THOUGHTS WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR Analysis OF THE BIBLE CRITICISM.

There was a time bible scholars claim the gospel of John isn't reliable. This was the case until the 1920s when archeological findings corroborated contents in the gospel of John; Now bible scholars have shifted to the topography and historical documentations in John's gospel are true but not the words attributed to Jesus.

If these are the people you want to gamble your life upon, then your case is hopeless.

This is what Father Clement has to say about the gospel of Mark. This is what we call factual evidence.

No bible scholar can bring anything close to back their claim of gospel authorship anonymity or dating.
I repeat None.

I challenge U to prove me wrong if U can.

Truthseeker10:
So how does all of that mean that he said he was equal to the Father?

Did U read that passage or U just want to argue.

The Jews said his statement connotes equality with the Father and wanted to kill him for saying such.

Westerhoffe:
So, to you, what John saw does not exist? Or is it just a dream?
Oh! I should have known you understand nothing of what I am saying even. So it's absolutely pointless discussing or explaining mysteries to someone like you.

When talking about GOD, don't you ever bring in anthropomorphism again.
You limit the capability of GOD in your words.
GOD is a Spirit, and He is not limited to space and matter because He created it, and He is outside of it.

What I saw is not my truth, but the truth of the personality of GOD in the form He manifested Himself to me. I don't need you to believe or not.

Then if God is a spirit, how can he have a face?

If God is a spirit, how can he be seen by John sitting on a physical throne?

If God is outside time and space, how can he sit on a throne. U need space to sit down my friend.

See as U are contradicting yourself up and down.

John himself said he was taken to heaven in the spirit, he didn't go to heaven physically.

Revelation 1
On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,


His vision was presented to him as anthropomorphism.

This is what Paul has to say about status of God in heaven.


1 Timothy 6.16
He alone is immortality, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

So if U are telling me God visited U and saw his face physically in your revelation, I don't know what to say but it seems U are calling the scripture false.

This is what John himself u claim went to heaven physically has to say about visibility status of God.


John 1
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.


A lot of U need lesson on bible theology, serious bible lesson.

I repeat Your personal testament is your own truth. Nothing more than that.

Westerhoffe:
What do you even call GOD?
Do you think GOD is limited by space and matter?

When the LORD JESUS CHRIST said what He said there, do you think He's saying, "I and my FATHER will constrain ourselves to one seat because we are limited by space and matter."

GOD IS A SPIRIT!

There was a time GOD showed Himself to me. He was full of majesty and glory, and right as He was standing about 30 feet away from me, as a single person standing, I could see three personalities manifesting in Him. All three personalities looked exactly the same, yet you could see the difference that still could not be differentiated. All three personalities were in a single person standing.

What about what sounds like the welcoming song and musicals that rang before He manifested?
My friend, walk with GOD in the Spirit, and you will know deep things that have not been written in any books you have ever read.

Walk with GOD to know the Mysteries of the Personality of GOD.

My friend, your testimony is a subjective evidence. It's your own truth.

We want objective evidence here which is what's written in the scripture.

U were the one who brought the issue of people sitting on a throne in the first place. And I asked U, how many people are sitting on the throne since we both agreed there's only one throne.

It's funny U making reference to space and matter to nullify why 2 people can't sit on a throne.
What U are ignorant of is that for any person to sit on the throne in the first place, U need space and matter.

Without space and matter, U can't sit on a throne or anything at all. Space is what enables U to sit down.

That's why I told U to go and read anthropomorphism.

John was taking to heaven in the spirit. What he wrote down was a vision, it was not a direct sight seeing.
Nobody is sitting on a physical throne in heaven.

Throne in heaven simply means highest level of majesty while face of God means his glory.

Lucifyre:
Unfortunately i don't do unverifiable conspiracy theories, it's above my expertise. I only deal on what's objectively factual regardless of opinion or belief. And the academic consensus through years of solid textual critical analysis, historical critical methods and archaeology leads to an objective consensus of the dates that state he is right, 80CE for Matthew with Luke and John much l8r.

A consensus likely older than you, unanimously present in all study bibles, papers and journals of which the excerpt I shared is taken from one(Oxford Annotated Bible With Apocrypha), with top and virtually all institutions like Havard and Stanford still teaching it with their top academics like Dale Martin and Christain Hayes or even othes like Bart, Mcclellan and Allison. There's a reason for a consenus and its cause it's factually right regardless of belief or conspiracy theory based on the available data and evidence.

Might want to get busy writing your paper and journal, getting it published to prove they were all written before 70 CE cause merely saying it doesn't make it factual. The only books of the new testament earlier than 70CE are Paul's letters of which he wrote just 8 of the 13.

Objective analysis based on some empirical evidence and academic historical criteria cannot negate or be superior to statements of early church Fathers who lived very much in the 1st and ealry 2nd century. Apostolic and early church Fathers told us who wrote the gospels and when it was written.

Telling me to accept opinions of some academicians whose statements fluctuates based on new extant manuscripts or some newly discovered historical piece of evidence over early church Fathers some of whom actually met the disciples of our Lord makes absolutely no sense.

And when U consider the reason why academic bible scholars pin the dating of the gospel to after 70 AD is due to the impossibility of Jesus predicting the destruction of Jerusalem, it makes their whole academic argument ridiculous.

Yet we have the didache an eucharist used by Jewish Christians in the first century. It's theological similarity with the community rule of the dead sea scrolls proves it usage by early Christians Jews b4 the fall of Jerusalem.
This book is a carbon copy of the gospel of Mathew with many verses of the gospel quoted verbatim in the didache. This shows the gospel of Mathew was very much around before the fall of Jerusalem.

U and your likes will do well to study the writings of the early church Fathers b4 making obtuse conclusion based on emperical non factual academic argument.

For example, Father Clement of Alexandra and Father Pappais both confirmed Mark penned down the gospel of our Lord via the mouth of Peter while the later was preaching in Rome.

Father Justyn Mathias quoted from the gospel of mark and said the book was based on the gospel narrative from Peter.

These were all 1st and 2nd century church Fathers. Moreover, Pappais was known to have met Philip and John.

Furthermore, when U realise the gospels were initially called memoir of the apostles by the church in the 1st and 2nd century; the anonymous authorship claim to the gospels is baseless except U don't know the meaning of memoir.

Memoir means an historical account written by an eyewitness. This means the early church believed the gospels were written by people who actually witnessed the events they wrote down in the gospel books.

Now ignoring all these for some invented academic historical criteria such disbelieve in prophecy or predictions is the hallmark of FOOLISHNESS. This is the reason I abandoned atheism because it's so obvious it makes no sense.

Truthseeker10:
So if you call God your father, you are making yourself equal to God?

John 5.18 is about Jesus, the Son of God

The Jews accused him of breaking the sabbath and he replied that he's not bound by the sabbath law just like his Father isn't bound by it. thata's the context of the verse.

Westerhoffe:
The Bible said there that we shall see His face.
Seeing the FATHER through the Son?
The Bible mentioned one throne indeed, not two thrones; what does that tell you?
Our LORD JESUS CHRIST said:

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.”
— Revelation 3:21 (KJV)

What is this verse telling you?

so u mean both Jesus and his Father will sit on one throne?
are u saying the 2 of them will share one throne

The face of God is his glory- learn about anthropomorphism.

Truthseeker10:
Are you insinuating that Jesus is equal to his Father?

John 5.18 is your answer.

For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

HacheNoire:
Is China not still importing till date? You making look like. China has everything and just mass produces. China is still importing oil, soya beans, iron ore and the likes.

Is imposing tariffs now a crime to protect local manufacturer’s? That is a norm if your economy has the will.

Is anyone stopping Nigeria from imposing high tariffs or even a ban on rice, automobile, steel, textile and consumables? No, because we don’t have what it takes and definitely know the impact of such.

You are just one on Earth, subject matter expert has applauded China growth and dominance.

I can’t believe you can be jealous of a throwing out outputs without bombing any nation.

Like I said earlier, if Nigeria feels cheated, they should follow same way China did. Increase tariffs on imported goods while you work on your productions too.

Not blaming Dangote for being rich and dominant in cement and oil while other billionaires are stashing same cash abroad and buying choice property’s.

China did not handcuff Nigeria and it vague to be blaming them for exploiting a nation ready to be exploited.

Trump merchandise are made in China, he did not deny that. But you want us to blame China for compelling Trump do such in China.

I will repeat with regards to Nigeria, China does not have handcuffs on us. If they can, we can. Not blaming others for our own woes.

Ok good, your brain is back to reasonable default setting.

This topic came about because China wants to seek new countries to export their products via trade deals

And U have agreed with me that Nigeria should impose tariff on Chinese goods until we sort ourself out.

We lack the skills and technology to compete at the global stage ATM. That's the simple truth.

If china is sincere about trade deals, they shouldn't just flood their cheap goods here but assist with building manufacturing capacity and industrial value chain in Nigeria.

In that way, Nigeria can also have real products to export and not just exporting raw materials.

This is my stand on this topic, it hasn't changed. U are the one who started with china is always right then finally agreed Nigeria should impose tariff.

U were the one who came here and started praising china and talking about USA- china hegemony which is completely off the point.

If U want to talk about above, open another thread and we will join U.

Thanks.

HacheNoire:
I am a lover of Chinese development and very proud of it. Please get your facts right. The major issues are trade deficits which is not China’s fault.

What does Nigeria have to export to China? But China has a lot to import to Nigeria. Do we blame China for having such edge. China has an edge in everything commerce!

It has the consumers, engineering, technology and human resource, and you blaming them for having too much of that.

In trade, you need to match up instead of blaming your competitors.

China was weak in 2000 and imported what they could not manufacture and did not blame nations for their woes. They worked on their country and people and look at them today.

They are not special but only took responsibility, not blaming others. That’s the same energy Nigeria should use.

It’s like me blaming you for being wealthy while I was sleeping when you were working, and I now start comparing about how influential you are.

It's waste of time talking to U.

When China was developing, it imposed very steep tariff on import. Very steep.

They only removed it when they had developed a strong and competitive manufacturing.

Besides here is what other countries feel about Chinese overproduction causing excess capacity problem globally.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3306974/can-southeast-asia-shield-industries-surge-chinas-exports-post-trump-tariffs

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3306233/trump-tariffs-hit-chinese-evs-threaten-malaysias-auto-industry-price-war-tactics

HacheNoire:
What is Nigeria manufacturing?

Ask yourself one sincere question, can Nigeria do without China or compete with China in any item or industry.

You also making it sound like China is pulling money out of your pocket forcefully. China gets a profit in almost anything you using today. From the iPhone, interior decor, steel, the Nike shoes and Gucci belt you have, down to the current internet access you using at the moment- I can explain that you if you ask, and you here talking about China undermining Nigeria manufacturing.

Your question should be can I Nigerian manufacturing meet demands and compete.

You mentioned Asian countries increasing tariffs on China, can you least out those countries that just increased tariffs?

Hello! China has grown to an astonishing that it will take nations to match their capacity, not blaming them for being industrious.

If Innosson was up to the task, do you think Toyota will even be selling in Nigeria, but you want us to blame Japan for undermining Nigeria’s auto industry.

It does not work that way.

I can see U are very naive. Very naive.
So U saying Nigeria as it is now should compete directly with china?

When China was admitted into WTO in 2001, they were given favourable status as a developing nation. That means china was allowed to impose high tariff on western goods but western countries removed tariff for Chinese goods.

China had little and weak manufacturing capacity in 2001 and would be unfair to tell them to compete directly with advanced western nation.

If Nigeria is to go into trade agreement with china, it should not be open free trade in anyway. We should impose tariff on Chinese goods while we work with Chinese manufacturers to improve our industrial capacity.

This is how it works, not your sentimental rhetorics. Mr china lover.

Reference:
Exactly the argument I have been trying to put forward. How many people can afford.

This is the vicious cycle of import induced poverty that is gripping not only Nigeria but many other countries.

It starts by someone else abroad making stuff you need at a price a bit cheaper. As you buy more of that stuff and ignore the more expensive substitutes you have locally you save money front end but lose money at the back end called earnings from industry and jobs.

The more the economy contracts the greater your appetite for cheaper and cheaper and cheaper stuff but now the gap between the price at which you can make stuff and the cost of importing the same stuff becomes so huge that you are hooked perpetually.

That is what has happened to the US. It doesn't happen overnight. When governments are not vigilant and mismanage their economies, economic slavery is unavoidable.

The best Trump can do is alert the American people that economic slavery to China is at hand. He may not win the tariff war but the signals are clear to every economically sleepy citizen.

Wither Nigeria.

No country should produce everything, it destroys the principle of economic of scale and opportunity cost the global economy was built on.

If Nigeria produces everything for other African countries, where will they get the money to buy our goods?

That means other African countries must also produce and sell for them to have money to buy what they cannot produce.

In this way, the whole of Africa is lifted out of poverty.

But when only Nigeria produces and the rest don't, the other nations in Africa will be in poverty and will have no money to buy our export.

I think U guys are blinded by this china- west rhetoric that a lot of U don't understand how the global economy works.

What U guys don't know is that the west moved their manufacturing to china in the 90s because they wanted China to be rich, in return china will also buy western goods.
What the west didn't know was the mighty and unrivalled industrial capacity of china once that engine roars into live.
U can't tell it to stop because it won't.

ponziponzi:
Yet, China imported more than $2.5 trillion of products from other countries last year. Only less than what US imported which is more than $3 trillion. No other country even come close, no other country imported up to $1 trillion.

Yes, China export a lot but the fact that China doesn’t import is a fallacy.

China only import raw materials from other countries. They don't need your finished products because they can produce whatever it is cheaper and faster if not better.

No country can develop by exporting raw materials. I think say na by joke western countries are crying. China has eaten away all their manufacturing capacity, even Germany is now sweating despite being an industrial machine.

HacheNoire:
So are you blaming them for their expansion and edge. I seem not to get you. Where was China 3 decades ago and look at how far they have come.

Give respect to that country. Coming from behind and nailing Europe and the US. Look at the infrastructure the country has raised over its large expanse of land. Look at how it is making life easier for its population.

Can we same about the US? Trillions spent on wars and cities getting rotten. Everything is about profit in the US. They don’t care who gets hurts.

Mr Man I don't care about USA. I care about Nigeria.
What the hell is wrong with U guys.

China is undermining Nigerian manufacturing and U saying it's ok because it gives them the opportunity to overtake America.

Are U ok?

Since this America impose tariff on Chinese goods, a lot of Asian countries have raised their tariffs against Chinese goods because they know what's coming next- china will flood their market with cheaper goods.

Look here, china has done well for itself. Good.
But we should also do well for our self, not just celebrating china.

If china truly cares, let them build industries and strong value chain manufacturing in Nigeria. This way we also can learn from them and engage in meaningful production and real export.

The idea that china should just come here and be buying natural resources only should be rejected.

Let china come and open manufacturing here and build supply chain in africa, not just flooding Nigeria with cheap products.
Otherwise Nigeria should also slap tariff on china products, we have oue own local content to buy from.