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Lucifyre:
Intelligence and scripture? Ha! If we had followed any so called intelligence from scripture, we'd still be stuck in the Stone Age. And yes yes, your classic tangent dodge did not go unnoticed. You completely sidestepped the evidence request and went off into a rant about circumcision. Typical. But fine, let me humor your tangent.



So your "omniscient" god "intelligently designed" everything including man and declared it all "very good". That includes the foreskin, right? He designed it, called it good, then suddenly got pissed about... the foreskin he supposedly designed? So pissed, in fact, that he was ready to unalive someone for not cutting it off? Make it make sense, abeg. 😂

Lucifyre:
This confused nature of your so called omniscient Yhwh is actually typical. Claims to hate sin and bans incest, yet starts off by creating only two people and tells them to multiply — how exactly was that supposed to happen without incest?

Lucifyre:
Then, he wipes out almost all living things - for using the "free will" he gave man - then populates earth again using incest. All this, when he could’ve simply created more people to avoid using the very thing he supposedly hates. Let’s not even get started on Balaam’s story same bizarre logic.

Lucifyre:
And you brought up intelligence near scripture? 😄 Anyways, back to the real point, are you still going to claim there’s no evidence for everything I said earlier? Because ironically, the evidence is like legion—it is many. Or are you about to do your usual hit & run?

RedboneSmith:
So in essence, you believe what you are paying for a woman's hymen? I can't tell you how creepy that is.

Jay1jay2:
Custom and tradition demands you do it regardless of virginity . This dude is a big time attention seeker

Lucifyre:
Ah, the ringmaster returns 🤡. Should I hand you the makeup, or are we still pretending Leviticus is poetry?
Happy to oblige though. You really want evidence? From the same book where the deity floods the Earth, collects foreskins like trophies, and turns women into war spoils — before sacrificing himself to himself?
You sure you wanna crack that book open, or should I grab the paint kit while we prep for the metaphor gymnastics?

CaseSensitive:
Christianity and Africa in the same sentence is funny. Africa and Africans shouldn't have any business with Christianity. You want to tell me that a European translation of a Middle-Eastern man is my God? Common. I mean you may have been able to fool my parents, grandparents or maybe great grandparents even.

But hypocrisy of organised religion stops with me. It's a tool of control, nothing less than that. Organised religion shapes how you think and that thing is dangerous because it keeps your mind in a prison. We have our religions in Africa before the invasion and it ain't Christianity.

British missionaries came first with the bible, then British armies followed with the guns.

Know your truth as an African.

And no, I'm not Gen Z - You don't have to be in a particular age group to use your brain. I live in the country of the people who introduced Christianity to Nigerians. Less than 7% of them attend churches and less than 50% even identify as a Christian, so it's me - an African man that should be devoted to Christianity, shouting Hallelujah and praying to Jesus Christ? Nope.

Lucifyre:
And no evil in xtainity, like there are isn't human rituals & scarifice, cultic rituals, genocide, infanticide, incest, sexual assualt, rape, blood and death magic. Pot meet kettle.

WritterNg:
Okay let them pay off their country's debt na. E no suppose hard.

Rich only on computer screen. Something wey be say only one tweet from one influential person fit wipe out 60% of their so called wealth. That one na money?

Can anything wipe off the $100 trillion resources beneath Russia's soil? Diamond, Gold, Silver, Uranium, Lithium, Oil, Gas, Paladium, Zinc and other precious rare earth metals.

RodgersAkpafu:
You can tell from the comments people make, when they don't have A FULL GRASP of what they are talking about

Lucifyre:
😄 So wait let me get this straight, you chicken out from a convo cause you couldn't answer simple straightforward questions. Just to come bk to it after a long time, only cause you were called out for been a chicken. Quoted me everywhere and still didn't give any sembalnce of an answer despite the numerous quotes. Time passes again and you quote me yet again, still no semblance of an answer but vague pics from nameless sources.

Anyways humor me one more time let's see if the same scenario plays out. It should be easy to answer the questions from my comment you quoted. So I'll paste it here for you to answer. 😁 4 simple questions, 4 simple answers.

(...why not show us in Isaiah 53:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah or even anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times, all according to Isaiah 53?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.)

Lucifyre:
Typical circular reasoning, unverifiable belief, and selective readings which, ironically, all back up my point. Quoting Isaiah 59:2 and then using that to define sin as “separation from God” is laughable. What kind of tautology is that? It’s like saying: “Mosquitoes cause malaria, therefore malaria is a mosquito.” lol! Not that I care anyway, you can define it however you want. It still doesn't change the fact of what I said about what it is, which is why it's applied nowhere else except in religious contexts, thankfully.

Then next, you drop a chart from an unverified, anonymous source (likely lifted from an apologetics site) and call it “evidence,” even though it shows what I’ve said from the start: basically a non-unified, inconsistent, and evolving interpretive tradition — the typical and massive retcon. Even the idea that "no Jew interpreted Isaiah 53 as Israel until 1000 AD" is a popular fat Christian lie that is verifiably false as scholars like John Collins, Mark Smith, Adele Berlin, James Kugel and Fishbane amongst many other scholars - some of which are even xtain - document.

Your source which expectedly shall not be named, shows rabbis as much as xtains disagreeing about whether the servant is Israel, a prophet, the messiah, or someone else entirely, with the dominant view being Israel. So how does that confirm divine clarity? Again tour very own source shows absolutely none of them — zero, zilch, nada — expecting the messiah to be crucified, resurrected, dieing for sins or that it's Jesus. Didn’t your own scriptures say “God is not the author of confusion”? Because what you're citing is pure biblical confusion.

So your weak attempt at a bait-and-switch is a task failed successfully. Even your chart never names Jesus, just like Isaiah 53 doesn’t. But “servant” is clearly and repeatedly named as Israel in Isaiah Ch 41–49: “But you, Israel, my servant.” So for Isaiah 53 to suddenly shift to a Jesus who is named nowhere, not even in the Hebrew Bible as a whole, is the exact type of massive retcon of selectively applying and discarding the text in a subjective manner to renegotiate and reinterpret it only xtainity and its numerous denoms are capable of.

No surprise then that you guys can’t even agree on what you call “truth” or “evidence,” which is quite laughable for something supposedly divinely revealed. Truth must be objective, verifiable, observable, demonstrable, and falsifiable. Truth is truth regardless of belief or acceptance. None of these apply to your joke called “truth,” which is why it’s not widely accepted the world over as the truth and luckily never will be.

There’s only one standard of truth accepted regardless of race, location, belief, acceptance, culture, etc. Christianity will factually never be it, except all xtains can objectively agree which would obviously never happen. So instead of performing mystical dodges, why not show us:

Where Jesus is mentioned by name as the messiah anywhere,

Or Jesus’ children, according to Isaiah 53:10,

Or where he repents of sin,

Or where he dies multiple times?

Or is he scared of dying multiple times to fulfill his other failed prophecy about his return? 😂

Surely, you'd be able to point out these things easily from Isaiah 53 if it’s not the typical Christian selective renegotiating retcon. Typical circus act, Tick tock.

sonmvayina:
Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant.
8 times prior to Isaiah 53, Isaiah told you who the servant is. For example in Isaiah 45:1-7, with attention to verse 4 it says

4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name; I surnamed you, yet you have not known Me.

So why will it mean something else 8 chapters later. Why would God lie? You don't seem to get it do you? You really don't want to learn. Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy. This is what the kings of the earth will say when they see the redemption of Israel. It is the kings of the earth that is talking......
You really need to learn it.

Goosethetruth:
Anonymous gospels with no names of the authors NOT written in Aramaic but in Greek language. Research the history of your religion. Jesus wrote NO single text with his hand before he died. Neither did he build one church. None of the writers of the four gospels were witnesses to the Jesus ministry. The gospels are myths written from oral traditions and the the seven authentic letters of Paul over 60 years after the death of Jesus. Both the undisputed letters of Paul and the disputed letters of Paul preceeded and were written before any of these anonymous gospels! Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are NOT the names of the writers of these anonymous texts called the gospels. Nobody knows who really wrote those books,hence the numerous contradictions of stories of the same events.
Accept knowledge and enlighten yourself through research. Don’t gobble up all you read on Awake,Watchtower and other Jehovah witness false doctrines and propaganda. Educate yourself.
My last response to you.

Goosethetruth:
Anonymous gospels with no names of the authors NOT written in Aramaic but in Greek language. Research the history of your religion. Jesus wrote NO single text with his hand before he died. Neither did he build one church. None of the writers of the four gospels were witnesses to the Jesus ministry. The gospels are myths written from oral traditions and the the seven authentic letters of Paul over 60 years after the death of Jesus. Both the undisputed letters of Paul and the disputed letters of Paul preceeded and were written before any of these anonymous gospels! Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are NOT the names of the writers of these anonymous texts called the gospels. Nobody knows who really wrote those books,hence the numerous contradictions of stories of the same events.
Accept knowledge and enlighten yourself through research. Don’t gobble up all you read on Awake,Watchtower and other Jehovah witness false doctrines and propaganda. Educate yourself.
My last response to you.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus Christ,who spoke Aramaic, never wrote a single word about his ministry.


To be continued.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus Christ,who spoke Aramaic, never wrote a single word r Apostles.

To be continued.