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Kobojunkieee:
Asking me this as though Christian has ever believed in that which is in fact stated.🙄🙄🙄

Ask a handful of Christians out there, irrespective of their denominations, and they will tell you 7 out of 10 times that the human soul was created as an eternal essence.

Pls be mindful of heresy U preach here. The human soul is not an eternal essence except it's clothed with an immortal body.

The bible call human being Elohim because he's a reflection of God and he's suppose to have supreme authority on earth just like God has absolute sovereignty over the universe.

The dead has no remembrance of anything. Anybody calling forth his ancestral lineage is only invoking powers and principalities in familiar spirits.

Explore2xmore:
While Gabriel Said Reynolds offers thoughtful academic insights, his use of speculative phrases like "one might imagine…" doesn’t equate to a firm assertion about a lost or hidden Qur’an.

The Ṣanʿāʾ palimpsest doesn’t undermine the Qur’an’s integrity. Instead, it:

Affirms a rich history of oral and written transmission

Shows early flexibility in expression—something you'd expect in a vibrant oral culture

Confirms that the final standardized Qur’an is the result of a careful, collective effort, rather than a solo rewrite.

Exactly the argument. Standardised Quran is a collective compilation NOT the solo dictation Jibril gave to Muhammed.
If different sahabas were reciting different Qurans, it shows there was a divergence at the beginning which was later harmonised thru coercion and intimidation.

That Quran was preserved from Muhammed downwards is a fallacy.

honesttalk21:
Why bother with this guy. I have addressed his incorrect perception and misconceptions of evidence for. The Quran is well preserved as it was initially transmitted.

He is trying to water down the reality of his error

I don't believe the Quran is perfectly preserved right from the mouth of Muhammed. There was serious distortion and manipulation with the Quran development during the caliphate of Uthman.

He complied the Quran of his own wish and desire and burned the ones he didn't like.

The Sana manuscript is clear evidence of the discrepancy in Quranic compilation and tradition is early islamic era.

aswani:
You obviously never lived in Israel or don't care to enlighten yourself as to how much Hard core Hasidic Jews look down on and hate Christians.

Go and stand next to a Jew and call Jesus the messiah. You will realise Christians and Jews have problems with each other.

Stop talking nonsense
The safest Christians in middle east live in Israel. They worship freely and practice their religion without any harassment.
Churches are not burnt in Israel neither are Christians killed for professing their faith.
That cannot be said for Christians living in majority Muslim countries in middle east.

Believeintruth:
Heyyy hold on there and stop telling lies. Fajuyi was already marked for death by the northern soldiers, it was never about him offering to die beside Ironsi. According to Danjuma Fajuyi was a marked man because he supported Ademoyega and Ifeajuna in the Jan 66 coup and offered logistical advice. Victor Banjo was executed alongside his igbo fellow conspirators like Ifeajuna, Agbam and Alale, Soyinka's views were criticised not his personality. So these lies of yours no dey sell again.

Show me where Danjuma said Fajuyi was marked for death.
Danjuma that said even Ironsi wasn't meant to be killed but the original plan was to arrest him and take him to Lagos.

Ironsi that wanted to leave for Lagos that same evening but Fajuyi begged him to stay overnight in Ibadan. The same reason Fajuyi insisted he should be arrested with him. He kept asking them, 'why arrest him in ibadan?'

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:
Fine, why then is Trump worried since it is only the assembling that is done in china. Make america continue their design na!

Both U and trump are educated illiterate.

There's something called scale of comparative advantage in economics. Go read it up.

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:
He didn't force anyone anywhere. He increased the tarrif, china did same, he ncreased it again, china did same, he suspended the tariff and invited them for a talk which is what he should have done at first if he had a brain bigger than that of a mouse. China is not America's mate, while america imports computers, micro chips, electronics, rare earth metals etc from china, china imports soya beans and pigs from america🤣. They were already talking with Brazil and Argentina to replace USA before the village idiot chickened out.

Those stuff are only assembled in china due to cheap labour. They are actually designed in USA.

pocohantas:
Congrats on that.

Someone already said your initial statement is sarcasm.
So no more probing.

pocohantas:
Nothing to be scared of.
Men do not benefit from marriage.
You will be better off single and young virgins will rush you. Tell her the truth. Be a man.

Pocohantas U sure your profile hasn't been hacked or what am I reading g from a feminist.


Anyway that your principle only applies in naija. For abroad, there's no difference being single or married, nobody is rushing U.

RaySimran:
Like NPR like ABC NEWS, they thrive on propaganda

Read THE GUARDIAN and BBC, there you'll get the true version of the story

So BBC is no longer propaganda.
U guys are shameless.

I support Donald trump in some circumstances like bringing manufacturing back to USA- so long as he's pragmatic about it.
But this ass licking is disgusting.

noobaland30:
come to islam my christian brothers and sisters. its the truth . once you learn the truth about jesus theres no turning back

jesus is muslim by culture and religion he was from palestine from the childeren of yakup (jacob) pbuh. GOD BLESS.

Someone who calls God his Father cannot be a Muslim.

See as original Muslims keep their culture.

Yet some lost Muslims amongst Yoruba are saying men should no longer prostate because it's unislamic.

U see Una lives for outside.

Dey sha wan run this guy commot street.

But what's so special about that Burkina Faso country that gathering this much attraction from the outside world.

Do they have any unique natural resources the rest of us don't have?

Mightymanna:
islam is a complete way of life, it ia not like your lip service faith

Islam can never be up to 1 percent of what Christianity is all about.
A faithless religion filled with legalism. Jesus had a phrase for U giys- whitewash sepulchre.

Imagine a Muslim asking why Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac when commanded by God him to do so if truly Isaac was the promise child and not Ismael.

His argument was that Abraham would never have entertained the idea of killing Isaac if he was indeed the covenant child.

Faithless people that think they can impress God by mere works.

casualobserver:
The kind of people who think the is China tarrif war is about manufacturing are the same set of ignorant uninformed people who thought killing Ghaddafi was about terrorism.

Simpletons never really understand what’s going on. It’s above their IQ.

No wonder your initial response was blocked.
When a fool is deprived of any intellectual response, they resort to insults.
It shows your family upbringing.

Imagine comparing political motivated murder to economic war based on survival of a nation.
To obtuse ignoramus like this one, everything is about west v east.
He will soon come and tell us India v Pakistan war is a reflection of such geopolitical hegemony.

As an economic power, it's either U manufacturer or U perish.

Don't ever quote me again or I will block U. I expect the feeling to be mutual.

This is not news, even russian military stated then whatever happend was a mistake.
The issue is will Russia take responsibility and pay compensation. I don't think so

Civilian airlines should learn to avoid troubled zone and stop putting innocent lives in danger.

casualobserver:
1: Manufacturing isn’t going back to the west. Trump knows it but is only playing to the gallery. Trumps war with China is not about manufacturing. It’s about the long term viability of the dollar.

2: Robots don’t pay taxes. When was the last time you saw a tech company from Europe?

UK is now dependent on US for tech, China for manufacturing and Africa for Labour. Not just bottom cleaners but skilled Labour like doctors and engineers.

I am not a fan of migration. I have said it that the immigrants ultimately cause resentment and destroy the society of their hosts but sometimes that is the price for survival.

The idea that manufacturing can't return to the west is just lazy thinking.
Western powers allowed manufacturing to move east because it's cheaper for the companies. Simple.
The investors are happy because the ROI is crazy. The day that becomes impossible is the day they lose interest in the east. If BYD replace Tesla and Huawei replace apple, there will be no gain manufacturing in the east anymore.
The market is still in the west, that's what U don't understand.
Manufacturing can be rejigged to ensure some value chain returns to the west. Already Trump tarrif has forced some auto makers to announce they would move their factories to the USA.
If china now has 100% robotic manufacturing in some factories- no humans working there, all robots; how come such cannot be replicated in the west where it's desperately needed.
The concentration of manufacturing in china is simply because it's very convenient and the western investors allowed it.

If U think all those low paying job are paying any reasonable taxes, then I have heaven to sell to U.
It's better they are simply replaced with technology and then tax the tech companies.
I don't get your point about European tech companies, any company doing business in any country should pay tax- foreign or not.

UK politicians destroyed that country with their immigration- obsessed policy.
France and UK brought in loads of immigrants thinking that would help curb inflation- they were wrong.
The depressed wages that came as a result of above discouraged natives to work. because they realised it's much better to be on welfare than work a care job that brings home next to nothing.

casualobserver:
Europe cannot afford a slow down in immigration no matter the noise they make to their domestic audience. They are being squeezed by the US and China. their industries are dying and they have no competitive future proof industries left. Tech is dominated by the US and manufacturing is dominated by China. Their populations are aging and they have a high social security and welfare bill. Where are the workers to pay for it....immmigrants! A citizen would rather be on welfare than work for the minimum wage that most immigrants work for and he would be better off. Even their schools they cant fund without foreign fees!

Europe including the UK is dying!


its a case of leaders understanding the issues better than the emotional masses ( this applies to most countries) but playing to the gallery!

the Uk are the original masters of deception. They will make all the right noises, close one door and open another while you arent watching. when the people wanted Brexit because there were too many Polish immigrants, they quitely opened the door to JAPA Nigerians and other Africans. when Nigerians start getting on the nerves of the locals (they eventually will) they will close the door to Nigerians they will quietly open the door to another group of people!

The truth is immigration is just a lazy political approach to solve a problem that's better handled by technology.
Europe aging workforce can be solved with technology. Europe doesn't need all these low wage immigrant workers to fill an unnecessary void that can be easily replaced with technology.
With Trump breathing down the necks of American industrial powers, it's only a matter of time robotic manufacturing replaces human in factories and warehouse all in a bid to bring manufacturing back to the west.
advanced drones will replace delivery couriers, autonomous driverless cars will replace commercial drivers, most govt services will be done by A.I. customer services will soon be purely an artificial intelligence affair.
technology carers may be more challenging but eventually it will be a matter of choice btw robot carers or human carers.
Even jobs like medicine, software engineering and accounting are not safe.

massive immigration causes more problem than they solve, if at all they solve anything.
Look at Europe, its no longer an attractive place to live anymore. Even white Europeans are fleeing Europe for gulf countries, over 250k white British now live in dubai alone. Go to tiktok and see how they are praising their new homes and rubbishing Europe- white people o.

its not worth it. It's just that politicians every where in the world are lazy thinkers, they rarely think beyond their next term limit- short term.

nairalanda1:
Indeed, searching for a hero.

I won't say more. Apparently in the eyes of some people, heroes are too important

Will he become hero if he begins to tax his people to death.
Increase school fees, charge arm and leg for hospital fees, tax Burkina Faso two months salary for electricity and fuel.

Your hero here in naija has tried your theory by removing subsidy and taxing the whole country to death. Yet the poverty in nigeria has quadrupled with no visible end in sight.

You should be the last person to tell us who's a hero.

It's so obvious some African leader are afraid of this guy and are willing tools in the hands of western collaborators to get him out.

U people say all he's doing is propaganda, then allow him be. If he's fake, it's only a matter of time, his true colour will show.

Allow this Traore guy to bubble or burst based on his own doing.

All these attack on him won't help. It will only make him more popular on the continent allowing to build a cult like heroic figure round himself.

For example, I heard USA recently sanction Burkina Faso, why?
This will only add more fuel to fire that the west hates him and wants his downfall.

People don't learn. Especially the west.

This is what nailed him.....

Prosecuting, Lyndon Harris told the court: “There is one discussion where Ojiri is party to a conversation where it is apparent a lot of people have known for years about [Ahmad's] terrorism links.”

He can't claim 'I don't know he was a terrorist'.

Why are these people so disturbed about this Ibrahim Troare guy.
So who doesn't do propaganda.
Let him be, his people will decide if they want him or not.
Tinubu that's using propaganda to kill Nigerians why is nobody calling him out.
But Troare is their headache in aso rock.

Btw, kicking out France out of Burkina faso country is not propaganda. It's real, he actually kicked out France.

Let African countries learn to grow, if they make mistake they will learn.

kokomilala:
My Disquiet About Burkina Faso

Hitler once said that with persistent propaganda, one could present hell as heaven and the most wretched life as paradise to a people.

Traore has succeeded in using this tool of the state to court sympathies of the weak and narrow-minded. Yes , he's pretended to astute leadership, with revolutionary veneer, but it doesn't remove the blight that he's a dictator like Paul Kegame of Rwanda- they are both in bed.

I do not see Traore morphing into that messiah that Africa needs. He has to deal with his domestic issues, which are masked away from the rest of the world. He also needs to curtail his excessses. This is what khaki boys or political bandits cannot do, for they are power-driven.

If he's serious about his revolutionary ideas, he must first set in motion a timeline for transition to civil rule, where the rule of law, not the rule of the gun prevails.

Africans never presented Troare as a messiah.. They are just happy he kicked out the French imperialism n for the first a Burkina Faso leader will actually rule the country n not France.

Allow him to rule as he deem fit, he cannot be worse than previous leaders or other democratically elected African leaders.

All these western inspired propaganda against him won't help in anyway instead will actually turn him into a hero because people hate anything western propaganda nowadays.

Besides recent events globally has shown democracy is not a prerequisite for economic development. The best performing economies right now are counties like China, UAE and Qatar. They are not democracy, yet Dubai alone has over 500 thousand western migrants living there due to its abundant economic opportunities.

success1smyn:
You don't have nobody in that country, this will be the first time I will be commenting on this Burkina Faso issue, the truth that Traore is only living on propaganda and that's all. If you truly have people there, what they will only tell you is that the country is yet to see any improvement.

And for you first hand info, I have a good number of people there and the report I get from them is that thing are yet to improve. Most of them have hope though

Wode Maya visited Burkina Faso and the report was very positive. Citizens were very happy to have Troare as their President.
The west should leave Burkina Faso alone.

DrRasheed:
The Quranic qira’at, or canonical readings, are another point of confusion. These are not textual variants in the same way as Biblical divergences. All qira’at are based on the same consonantal skeleton (rasm) and are transmitted with rigorous chains (isnad). They were codified by the 10th century, but the readings themselves trace back to companions of the Prophet and were orally transmitted and widely accepted within scholarly communities. Importantly, no qira’a introduces or omits verses, nor do they affect theology.

Well we really need to dissect Ibn Masud and Ibn Ubay's Quranic version before we can come to this big conclusion.

DrRasheed:
In contrast, the Bible contains hundreds of textual differences that do alter doctrine or narrative detail. For example, the resurrection appearances in Mark 16:9–20 are absent from the earliest manuscripts, yet they have been used to affirm the resurrection as historical fact.

We already debunked this Mark 16:9-20 myth, stop repeating what so cannot substantiate. Mark 16 longer version is as old as any NT manuscript.
Besides, the resurrection story didn't start with Mark 16, there were prior New Testament texts written by eye witness that confirmed the resurrection of Jesus Christ before the gospel of Mark was written.

One was Peter, apostle of our Lord,
1 Peter 1
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

DrRasheed:
and Some modern Bibles now include footnotes or brackets around these verses, but for centuries, these additions were read as authentic scripture. The same applies to the Johannine Comma and the adulteress story.

The idea that oral tradition validates such passages is not sustainable. No early church father before the 4th century mentions the pericope adulterae. It is absent in P66 and P75 (both dated c. 200 CE), Codex Vaticanus, and Codex Sinaiticus. When it finally appears, it does so in different places—sometimes in Luke—which shows it was floating and unanchored. That is the opposite of what would be expected from a divinely preserved text.

Take am easy with confabulation. It's the internet age, bogus claims can easily be debunked.
Church Fathers confirmed the pericope adulterae is part of the Oral gospel.

Papias (c. 60 – c. 130) knew of the story when he referenced a woman “who was accused of many sins before the Lord,” though he said it was found in the Gospel according to the Hebrews.
“And he relates another story of a woman, who was accused of many sins before the Lord, which is contained in the Gospel according to the Hebrews” (Eusebius, Church History, Book 3, Chapter 39).

The Didascalia Apostolorum, an early third-century book of church discipline like the Didache, makes reference to this passage:

“But if you do not receive the one who repents, because you are without mercy, you shall sin against the Lord God. For you do not obey our Saviour and our God, to do as even He did with her who had sinned, whom the elders placed before Him, leaving the judgment in His hands, and departed. But he, the searcher of hearts, asked her and said to her: ‘Have the elders condemned you, my daughter?’ She says to him: ‘No, Lord.’ And he said to her: ‘Go, neither do Ι condemn you’” (8.2.24).

Didymus the Blind, who lived in the early fourth century, summarizes the passage in one of his works:

“So we have in certain gospels: Α woman, it says, was condemned by the Jews on account of a sin and was being sent to be stoned to the place where that customarily happened. The savior, it says, seeing her, and perceiving that they were ready to stone her, said to those who were going to assault her with stones, ‘Whoever has not sinned, let him take up a stone and throw it. If anyone is aware in himself that he has not sinned, let him take up a stone and smite her.’ And no one dared. Since they understood themselves, and knew that they were themselves liable in certain matters, they did not dare to strike her down” (Commentary on Ecclesiastes 223.7-13).

Callistus, who was Bishop of Rome from 217-222 AD, quotes from the passage in his second epistle to all the bishops of Gaul. And Leo the Great references the story in Sermon 62 on the suffering of Christ.

DrRasheed:
The notion that early Christians were "intellectually honest" because they didn’t destroy manuscripts doesn’t excuse the instability. Honesty in acknowledging variants does not resolve the chaos caused by centuries of uncontrolled copying, nor does it erase the doctrinal confusion resulting from it.

To be honest, I agree Muslims did a better job preserving their texts than Christians. Yes, I agree.
But maybe if the Pope had called for holy crusade to ensure biblical uniformity crusade, I'm very sure we Christians would have had a preserved text today.
I have no doubt of the power of the pope to deal with monks and scribes harboring unofficial versions of the bible.
If the Pope could convince people to burn their women for witchcraft for over 300 years or successfully threaten people to believe the earth is flat for over a thousand years, I don't see how destroying contrary versions of the bible would be a problem.
Abi is that now Uthman came to produce only one Quran.

DrRasheed:
Islamic tradition acted decisively and within one generation to standardize and protect the Quranic text. The Bible, in contrast, was left to evolve regionally, leading to conflicting texts, theological insertions, and delayed recognition of errors. This is why modern biblical scholars—whether Christian or secular—do not claim the Bible has been perfectly preserved. Even the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, the standard academic edition, uses a critical apparatus to document thousands of variations.

I'm very sure u muslims don't think these argument of bible is corrupt through.
because if u do, no muslim will ever utter the phrase ''bible is corrupt'

Let me challenge your thinking faculty tonight

1. Tell me, what version of the Torah were people using during the time of Jesus. When Jesus was quoting from the Torah, what version of Torah was he referencing?

2. When Allah was helping Waraqah ibn Nawfa to translate the injil to arabic. What version of the gospel was Waraqah using for his translation.

DrRasheed:
Again, the Quran has a consistent, traceable textual history, with preservation mechanisms built into both oral and written traditions. The Bible, by contrast, suffers from extensive textual instability, late additions, and no continuous manuscript chain to the original texts. These are not simply "textual variants" but represent deep-rooted problems.

The day you find a New Testament manuscript that says Jesus is not the Son of God or Jesus wasn't crucified or Jesus didn't come to die for the sin of mankind, then u can have a leg to stand on.
Or if we discover an ancient NT manuscript that has those verses omitted from its pages, then we can talk.

The oldest gospel manuscript we have- P52 gospel of John dated 120 AD is the page that talks about the trial of JESUS CHRIST.

Hiding behind variants that are mainly scribal grammatic errors or spelling mistake wont safe u.

DrRasheed:
In all of this, it is important to clarify that we Muslims do accept the Bible—but not the Bible as it exists today. We believe that Allah revealed divine scriptures such as the Torah to Musa (Moses), the Zabur to Dawud (David), and the Injil to Isa (Jesus), peace be upon them all. However, the current Bible is not a single revealed book; it is a collection of writings composed over centuries by different authors—some of whom were kings, fishermen, priests, religious leaders, anonymous writers, and even councils of men who decided which texts to include or exclude.

Some were sincere believers, others were scribes, and in many cases, the exact identity of the authors is unknown. What we now have is a text shaped by translation, redaction, and political decisions—not the unaltered word of God.

We do not deny that divine guidance was once sent to previous nations. On the contrary, belief in those original revelations is a pillar of Islamic faith. But what remains of those scriptures today does not represent their pure, original forms. Only the Qur’an, revealed to the final Messenger Muhammad (Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam), has been preserved without alteration.

It came not through anonymous hands or political councils, but directly from Allah through the angel Jibril, memorized by the Prophet’s companions, and transmitted with an unbroken chain both orally and in writing. Allah Himself promised its protection: “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an, and indeed, We will be its guardian” (Surah Al-Hijr 15:9).

Therefore, while we respect the prophets and the scriptures they were given, we do not rely on the Bible of today as a source of divine law or belief. Only the Qur’an remains as the final, complete, and uncorrupted guidance for all of humanity, until the end of time.

Quran as a divine text is another topic for another day. I don't even believe Muhammed wrote the Quran anyway.