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HacheNoire:
Is China not still importing till date? You making look like. China has everything and just mass produces. China is still importing oil, soya beans, iron ore and the likes.

Is imposing tariffs now a crime to protect local manufacturer’s? That is a norm if your economy has the will.

Is anyone stopping Nigeria from imposing high tariffs or even a ban on rice, automobile, steel, textile and consumables? No, because we don’t have what it takes and definitely know the impact of such.

You are just one on Earth, subject matter expert has applauded China growth and dominance.

I can’t believe you can be jealous of a throwing out outputs without bombing any nation.

Like I said earlier, if Nigeria feels cheated, they should follow same way China did. Increase tariffs on imported goods while you work on your productions too.

Not blaming Dangote for being rich and dominant in cement and oil while other billionaires are stashing same cash abroad and buying choice property’s.

China did not handcuff Nigeria and it vague to be blaming them for exploiting a nation ready to be exploited.

Trump merchandise are made in China, he did not deny that. But you want us to blame China for compelling Trump do such in China.

I will repeat with regards to Nigeria, China does not have handcuffs on us. If they can, we can. Not blaming others for our own woes.

Ok good, your brain is back to reasonable default setting.

This topic came about because China wants to seek new countries to export their products via trade deals

And U have agreed with me that Nigeria should impose tariff on Chinese goods until we sort ourself out.

We lack the skills and technology to compete at the global stage ATM. That's the simple truth.

If china is sincere about trade deals, they shouldn't just flood their cheap goods here but assist with building manufacturing capacity and industrial value chain in Nigeria.

In that way, Nigeria can also have real products to export and not just exporting raw materials.

This is my stand on this topic, it hasn't changed. U are the one who started with china is always right then finally agreed Nigeria should impose tariff.

U were the one who came here and started praising china and talking about USA- china hegemony which is completely off the point.

If U want to talk about above, open another thread and we will join U.

Thanks.

HacheNoire:
I am a lover of Chinese development and very proud of it. Please get your facts right. The major issues are trade deficits which is not China’s fault.

What does Nigeria have to export to China? But China has a lot to import to Nigeria. Do we blame China for having such edge. China has an edge in everything commerce!

It has the consumers, engineering, technology and human resource, and you blaming them for having too much of that.

In trade, you need to match up instead of blaming your competitors.

China was weak in 2000 and imported what they could not manufacture and did not blame nations for their woes. They worked on their country and people and look at them today.

They are not special but only took responsibility, not blaming others. That’s the same energy Nigeria should use.

It’s like me blaming you for being wealthy while I was sleeping when you were working, and I now start comparing about how influential you are.

It's waste of time talking to U.

When China was developing, it imposed very steep tariff on import. Very steep.

They only removed it when they had developed a strong and competitive manufacturing.

Besides here is what other countries feel about Chinese overproduction causing excess capacity problem globally.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3306974/can-southeast-asia-shield-industries-surge-chinas-exports-post-trump-tariffs

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3306233/trump-tariffs-hit-chinese-evs-threaten-malaysias-auto-industry-price-war-tactics

HacheNoire:
What is Nigeria manufacturing?

Ask yourself one sincere question, can Nigeria do without China or compete with China in any item or industry.

You also making it sound like China is pulling money out of your pocket forcefully. China gets a profit in almost anything you using today. From the iPhone, interior decor, steel, the Nike shoes and Gucci belt you have, down to the current internet access you using at the moment- I can explain that you if you ask, and you here talking about China undermining Nigeria manufacturing.

Your question should be can I Nigerian manufacturing meet demands and compete.

You mentioned Asian countries increasing tariffs on China, can you least out those countries that just increased tariffs?

Hello! China has grown to an astonishing that it will take nations to match their capacity, not blaming them for being industrious.

If Innosson was up to the task, do you think Toyota will even be selling in Nigeria, but you want us to blame Japan for undermining Nigeria’s auto industry.

It does not work that way.

I can see U are very naive. Very naive.
So U saying Nigeria as it is now should compete directly with china?

When China was admitted into WTO in 2001, they were given favourable status as a developing nation. That means china was allowed to impose high tariff on western goods but western countries removed tariff for Chinese goods.

China had little and weak manufacturing capacity in 2001 and would be unfair to tell them to compete directly with advanced western nation.

If Nigeria is to go into trade agreement with china, it should not be open free trade in anyway. We should impose tariff on Chinese goods while we work with Chinese manufacturers to improve our industrial capacity.

This is how it works, not your sentimental rhetorics. Mr china lover.

Reference:
Exactly the argument I have been trying to put forward. How many people can afford.

This is the vicious cycle of import induced poverty that is gripping not only Nigeria but many other countries.

It starts by someone else abroad making stuff you need at a price a bit cheaper. As you buy more of that stuff and ignore the more expensive substitutes you have locally you save money front end but lose money at the back end called earnings from industry and jobs.

The more the economy contracts the greater your appetite for cheaper and cheaper and cheaper stuff but now the gap between the price at which you can make stuff and the cost of importing the same stuff becomes so huge that you are hooked perpetually.

That is what has happened to the US. It doesn't happen overnight. When governments are not vigilant and mismanage their economies, economic slavery is unavoidable.

The best Trump can do is alert the American people that economic slavery to China is at hand. He may not win the tariff war but the signals are clear to every economically sleepy citizen.

Wither Nigeria.

No country should produce everything, it destroys the principle of economic of scale and opportunity cost the global economy was built on.

If Nigeria produces everything for other African countries, where will they get the money to buy our goods?

That means other African countries must also produce and sell for them to have money to buy what they cannot produce.

In this way, the whole of Africa is lifted out of poverty.

But when only Nigeria produces and the rest don't, the other nations in Africa will be in poverty and will have no money to buy our export.

I think U guys are blinded by this china- west rhetoric that a lot of U don't understand how the global economy works.

What U guys don't know is that the west moved their manufacturing to china in the 90s because they wanted China to be rich, in return china will also buy western goods.
What the west didn't know was the mighty and unrivalled industrial capacity of china once that engine roars into live.
U can't tell it to stop because it won't.

ponziponzi:
Yet, China imported more than $2.5 trillion of products from other countries last year. Only less than what US imported which is more than $3 trillion. No other country even come close, no other country imported up to $1 trillion.

Yes, China export a lot but the fact that China doesn’t import is a fallacy.

China only import raw materials from other countries. They don't need your finished products because they can produce whatever it is cheaper and faster if not better.

No country can develop by exporting raw materials. I think say na by joke western countries are crying. China has eaten away all their manufacturing capacity, even Germany is now sweating despite being an industrial machine.

HacheNoire:
So are you blaming them for their expansion and edge. I seem not to get you. Where was China 3 decades ago and look at how far they have come.

Give respect to that country. Coming from behind and nailing Europe and the US. Look at the infrastructure the country has raised over its large expanse of land. Look at how it is making life easier for its population.

Can we same about the US? Trillions spent on wars and cities getting rotten. Everything is about profit in the US. They don’t care who gets hurts.

Mr Man I don't care about USA. I care about Nigeria.
What the hell is wrong with U guys.

China is undermining Nigerian manufacturing and U saying it's ok because it gives them the opportunity to overtake America.

Are U ok?

Since this America impose tariff on Chinese goods, a lot of Asian countries have raised their tariffs against Chinese goods because they know what's coming next- china will flood their market with cheaper goods.

Look here, china has done well for itself. Good.
But we should also do well for our self, not just celebrating china.

If china truly cares, let them build industries and strong value chain manufacturing in Nigeria. This way we also can learn from them and engage in meaningful production and real export.

The idea that china should just come here and be buying natural resources only should be rejected.

Let china come and open manufacturing here and build supply chain in africa, not just flooding Nigeria with cheap products.
Otherwise Nigeria should also slap tariff on china products, we have oue own local content to buy from.

Westerhoffe:
Both you and him are not different from each other.

You twist the Bible is several aspects, he twist it too.

Him saying hates poor people is as a result of him not reading the Bible anymore before opening his mouth in sermon.

JESUS CHRIST said:

“The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.”
— Matthew 11:5 (KJV)

How did JESUS CHRIST then hate the poor?
How many houses did JESUS CHRIST have when He was on earth?

Even you too said when we get to heaven we can never see GOD still, but the Bible says:

Revelation 22 (KJV)
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³ And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
⁴ And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
⁵ And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

[b]So, I'll not listen to either of you preach heresies mingled with little popular truth known in order to make it seem you're telling the truth.

So, I conclude you both ain't different from each other… only in different ways.

We will only see the glory of the Father in heaven because HE is invisible and dwells in an unapproachable light.

Instead, We will see the Father through the Son. That's why Jesus said 'If you have seen me, you have seen the Father"

as per the verse u quoted Rev 22.3-5. it mentioned the throne of God and the lamb, not thrones of God and the lamb. ONE THRONE NOT TWO THRONES.
NOW TELL ME TELL WHO IS SEATED ON THAT THRONE

Expanse2020:
Hey where does this lies come from......



Your God wey Dem give wine from the sponge 🤮🤮🤮 wetin pass that poison... Baba gulp am cry on a loud voice and pkai....

That action fulfilled the scripture.

psalm 69.21
They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.


Now tell me, where did you get your sources that Jesus wasn't crucified?

beardedboy:
You're a waste of time.

I'm still waiting for my reply. Since U take the scriptures literally....

If Allah is above his throne, explain to me why he's not in space.

For U to be above something, that means you are in space......thus defined by spatial orientation.

So how can Allah be above his throne if he's not in space.


Let me call my friends...

Qasim, antiChristian, onlythetruth

It's Easter again and some Muslims who are embarrassed by their own scripture claim that they can't not defend because they don't have evidence to back up such claim are back again to throw dirt at a significant event in history.

An historical fact that has been confirmed as true and real by multiple attestation including enemies of the Jesus Christ.

So to clarify all doubts, I will respond to their contradiction claim.

I've gone thru the different resurrection accounts in the 4 gospel and the there's actually no contradiction at all.
In fact the different stories complement each other and when merged together the resurrection events makes logical sense



1. How many women visited the Tomb?

The important thing to note here is that none of the gospel writers said 'only' a particular number visited the tomb. They simply mentioned names of women they knew that visited the tomb.
actual logical contradiction requires exclusionary clauses such as “only x, y, and z were there and no one else” or “only three people witnessed incident a.” None of the Gospel texts do that here; hence, no demonstrable contradiction exists (see Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1-10; John 20:1).

Gospel of John seemingly makes it like only Mary Magdalene visited the tomb until we get to John 20:2. Mary finds the tomb empty, runs to Peter and (presumably) John, and says the following, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and WE do not know where they have laid Him.”

In reporting the words of Mary, John reveals that there were others with Mary.

2. Number of angels

The area which has generated the most discussion concerns the angels who were at the tomb of Jesus. Matthew and Mark relate that one angel addressed the women, while Luke and John say that two angels were at the tomb. This seems to be a discrepancy, with Matthew and Mark knowing of only one angel while Luke and John speak of two. However, Matthew and Mark do not say that there was only one angel at the tomb, but that one angel spoke to the women.

This does not contradict Luke and John, for Matthew and Mark specify that one angel spoke, but they do not say there was only one angel present or only one angel spoke. Quite possibly, one of the angels served as the spokesman for the two, thus he was emphasized.


3. . Who rolled the stone away

The issue with this question is centrally dealing with whether the stone was rolled away from the tomb when the women arrived. Notice that all but one account are in definite agreement. Mark, Luke, and John all say the stone had been moved when the women arrived. It is only Matthew who reports, or appears to report, that the stone was moved as the women were there. So let’s take a careful reading of the verses in question.

Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. (Mt. 28:1-2)

The event in verse 2 had already happened before the women arrived. They did not witness the earthquake or the angel rolling the stone. By the time they arrived the tomb, the stone was already rolled away. Matthew is only telling the readers how the stones was rolled away.


4. What happened after they left the tomb.

This is another area where we have a large degree of agreement between the Gospels. To varying degrees, the Gospels each report that the disciples were told. Or at least it was the intent to tell the disciples, which is all Matthew reveals. I will merge my explanation here with another seemingly contradiction which is who among the women saw Jesus.

If we study the accounts carefully, we can make the FF logical conclusion;

Mary Magdalene & the other women travel from Bethany to Jesus’ tomb.

Nearing the tomb, they notice the stone is rolled away. Mary runs to tell Peter and John while the rest of the women continued to the tomb.

With no corpse, empty tomb and encounter with strange men; the other women were initially shocked and took time for them to recover from these extraordinary encounter, until they got over their shock they told nobody.

Mary Magdalene returns to Jesus’ tomb with Peter and John.

Peter and John return to the house after seeing the empty tomb. Mary stays behind where she sees Jesus.

Afterwards, the other women returned to Bethany, stopping first in the city to report their findings to Clopas and other disciples. Thereafter, Jesus appears to the other women as they’re headed back to Bethany.

Another popular contradiction bible critics love to raise is the time the women visited the tomb which I will explain here.

All accounts indicate that it was early on the first day of the week. Matthew says it was as the day began to dawn. Mark, Luke and John all say “early”. the difficulty comes when we see John say that it was still dark, yet Mark say that the sun had risen.
Sunrise could vary in appearance depending on subjective observation. What is dark to some could be cloudy to another.
So these terms in reference to the same approximate time of day are not mutually exclusive.

Moreover, another explanation could be where the women journeyed from.
Earlier in the week some of the disciples lodged at Bethany, two miles from Jerusalem. It’s possible that the women were staying there for the Sabbath, and when John says it was “still dark”, he’s referring to the time they left Bethany and “went to the tomb”.
That’s more than enough time to go from “still dark” (Jn. 20:1) to “when the sun had risen” (Mk. 16:2).

[quote author=Antichristian2 post=135036501][/quote]All these copy and paste will not help U.

The big question is did the 4 gospels confirmed Jesus Christ was crucified?

That's the key issue here.

Is there any gospel narrative anywhere that said Jesus wasn't crucified?

Expanse2020:
Just as the way they give Jesus drink from sponge (wetin Dem de used they scrup shit) baba drink am cry out loud and kpaiii

Your Qur'an already proved Muhammed is a false prophet.

He died the exact way Allah told him he would be killed if he's ever caught lying- his aorta would be slit.

Now regarding the death of Jesus.

Even bible atheist scholars agreed with Christians that Jesus Christ was crucified. Romans that nailed him to the cross confirmed they crucified him.

Even Ahmadiyah Muslims agreed with Christians that ISA was crucified.

So U have to tell us where U getting your own sources.

Pls don't bring the tales by moonlight of Muhammed in the caves. U and I know they are fake.

Kemetian:
WILL YOU SHUT UP THERE.

CHRISTIAN FANATIC.

THE BIGGEST DISEASE OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM IS THEIR MAD, PSYCHOPATHIC CLAIM THAT “THEIR WAY” IS THE “ONLY WAY” TO HEAVEN.

EVERY OTHER RELIGION, INCLUDING THEIR OWN TRADITIONAL AFRICAN RELIGION, IS “EVIL” IN THEIR SICK HEADS.

SO IF GOD WANTS TO SEND ME TO YOUR PHANTOM “HELLFIRE”, ALL HE NEEDS TO DO IS HAVE ME BORN IN THE MIDDLE OF CHINA OR INDIA WHERE BUDDHISM AND HINDUISM REIGN.

AND YOU - “CHRISTIAN” SIMPLY BECAUSE YOUR LAND WAS INVADED BY BRITISH COLONIAL THIEVES AND ROBBERS WHO CAME WITH SOME BOOK THEY CLAIMED WAS “HOLY”.

BUT CLEARLY NOT “HOLY” ENOUGH TO STOP THEM SLAUGHTERING YOUR ANCESTORS AND PLUNDERING YOUR LAND FOR CENTURIES.

HOLY SHIIT.

BUNCH OF STUPID, IGNORANT, TOXIC, DEBASED, BRAINWASHED FALSEHOOD PEDDLERS.

PELE I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. NOBODY IS BUYING YOUR NONSENSE GODLESS IDEOLOGY.

EVEN OYINBO PEOPLE THAT GAVE U ATHEISM ARE REALISING THE FOOLISHNESS OF THE CONCEPT AND JUMPING BACK INTO ALTERNATIVE RELIGIONS.

JESUS IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, HE'S HERE TO TORMENT THAT YOUR OBSTINATE SOUL.

SEE AS RICH PIKIN WHO HAS SEEN IT ALL EMBRACE CHRIST. THE THING PAIN AM.

BESIDES YOUR RANTS UP THERE IS STALE.

THE BIBLE WAS ALREADY IN AFRICA BEFORE IT LANDED IN ENGLAND.
THE BIBLE WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN AFRICAN LANGUAGES BEFORE IT WAS TRANSLATED INTO ANY EUROPEAN LANGUAGE SPOKEN TODAY.

IN FACT, SOME OF THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS WHO DECIDED WHAT BOOKS SHOULD MAKE THE BIBLE WERE AFRICANS.

SO CARRY YOUR IGNORANCE AND FRUSTRATION ELSEWHERE.

watchindelta:
I like marry very rich man pikin, I mean very very richhhh, I wan test something . Mind you I'm not doing bad too as well, just wanna test something 😏.

U better be careful what U wish for.
Ladies from wealthy homes don't understand all those submissions or respect your husband rhetoric.

They expect U to prove yourself first b4 they submit and that submission comes with their own terms and definition.

I repeat, be careful what U wish for.

Skoonheid:
As long as a population can be induced to believe in a supernatural hereafter, it can be oppressed and controlled. People will put up with all sorts of tyranny, poverty, and painful treatment if they're convinced that they'll eventually escape to some resort in the sky . Nigerians are shamed and abused and oppressed every day. What a nation of slaves.

In China, this upstart of an administrator would have been put to death by firing squad , alongside his principals. But here, they are calling the shots

Don't worry when china becomes a Christian country, U will eat your words.

FYI- China is the fastest growing Christian country in the world right now. And it's not just any Christianity but Pentecostalism.

Skoonheid:
As long as a population can be induced to believe in a supernatural hereafter, it can be oppressed and controlled. People will put up with all sorts of tyranny, poverty, and painful treatment if they're convinced that they'll eventually escape to some resort in the sky . Nigerians are shamed and abused and oppressed every day. What a nation of slaves.

In China, this upstart of an administrator would have been put to death by firing squad , alongside his principals. But here, they are calling the shots

Don't worry when china becomes a Christian country, U will eat your words.

Moneyboyz:
Very stupid teaching.

The people who enslaved you and gave you religion have no problems that needs spiritual solution.
It's only black monkeys and their rotten brains.

So if they need no spiritual solution, what are they looking for in other religion?
Why are they embracing other religion
White man will worship anything but the real Saviour, Yeshua Ha Mashiach

The White man has more spiritual problem than any race on earth.
They are lost in depression, anxiety, chronic alcoholism, loneliness, suicidal ideation, identity crisis, panic attacks, recurrent suicide attempt, substance abuse, emotional unstable personality disorder, homelessness, broken homes up and down, teenage suicide. An 8 yr old already suffering from depression.

U must be very naive to think spiritual problem is only when some witches on village call your name thru a mirror.

Even modern science has finally admitted spirituality has a big role to play in all the problems I listed above.
That's why they listed religion is a protective factor for depression and other related illness.

They play and be forming sophistication. He go soon clear for your eye.

This guy na clown, he fall my had big time.
Just yesterday he lifted tariff on Chinese electronic gadget imports. That's more than 70% of Chinese imports. And what was the deal?

Nobody expected those tariff to stay but get a deal out of it. Instead his financial backers threatened him and he backed out.
If I hear bring back manufacturing to America again!!!! Stoopid man. Big head, no Brain.

Meanwhile, Trump should allow Canada to breathe. Even if all of Canada manufacturing goes to America, it's not going to revitalise the dead factories.
Canada is not the reason for rust belt cities

He should allow Canada be. It's so obvious Trump doesn't have what it takes to rejuvenate American manufacturing. His actions only proves no be gragra.

I have to admit Biden manufacturing rejuvenation plan is much better and viable because it's long term. Trump should swallow his pride, ask for a copy of that policy and continue it's implementation.

ennon92:
Bro, my wife attended antenatal whenever they gave her appointment...A week before she gave birth prematurely, she still went there, she complained of how she was feeling, they said it's normal cos she's carrying twins...

Not until you experience these things, you wouldn't know how fvcked up this country is

As I wrote earlier, hosp may reject if they think they would not be able to manage the case appropriately.

In such case, the hosp shouldn't just kick her out but arrange appropriate and safe transport for the pregnant woman because she registered her pregnancy with them, they have e a responsibility towards her.

If the hosp fail in regards to above, then they are negligent and U have no fault at all.
U trusted the system but it failed U.

We know naija is a mess, and healthcare is no exemption. But we expect a man to be a man and cover his own side of things especially when it comes to raising a family.

Pls let's leave sentiment aside and ask real questions.

Did his wife register for antenatal? If yes, which hospital? Did they go to the hospital during thos emergency?

Most hospital normally admit and attend to their REGISTERED PREGNANT PATIENTS AND WHO ATTENDED ANTENATAL REGULARLY even during emergency.
It's very rare for a hospital to reject their registered pregnant patient during emergency except of the case is beyond what they could cope with.

Besides, I can't remember Nigeria govt has any plan for free delivery or antenatal. Most couple plan towards it, how much did he keep aside for such antenatal emergency or he was hoping everything will go uneventful.

Finally, why did he even think of going to private hospital in emergency. Most private hospital don't have facilities to manage emergency in the first place. His first thought should have been taken his wife to a govt hosp.

It's a pity a beautiful life is lost due to negligence and callousness of all parties involved.

hayzed1090:
I just hope your are not one of those criticizing tinubu government

What has my analogy go to do with Tinubu.

I'm not a fan of Tinubu anywhere.

Difrent:
You sef know say na lie be this
America even fears China more than Russia
Why then is it undermining China at any given chance if it care less, it cares a great deal what china does.

Why is US taking over Panama canal, fear of china dominance in south America.

When I say Father Christmas, I mean becoming a importing consumer country

aribisala0:
I do not forget the debt. It was not relevant to the point I was making which was very long already
America does not BORROW TO IMPORT and this has nothing to do with Debt it is about trade
It is a TAX ON AMERICANS
Long story short American debt is totally irrelevant to the discussion and tariffs will simply force the world to rethink the use of the US dollar
Without the dollar the US cannot consume as much as it does which is the fundamental point you have failed to grasp
What Trump WANTS and reality is very different

Is he going to force the production of Bananas and coffee to America?

There are a whole list of product that CANNOT be made in America and many are such low value items that will be uneconomic to make at American wages e,g Tshirts or jeans. NOT EVERYTHING can be made in America and not every nation can afford to buy from America so a more selective use of tariffs would make more sense

Regarding high value products Those countries that make them e.g China with Electric cars are in a position to retaliate.

The idea that tariffs will move manufacturing to the US is really quite childish

Building a factory for the cost of $10 billion is a major decision for any business and they won't make such a decision when dealing with an unpredictable narcissist like Trump

America is able to fund it's flamboyant excessive consumerism via DEBT. The truth is America cannot afford it's lifestyle except thru debt.

So debt is what is fuelling the trade deficit. Americans are borrowing to pay for imported products. Let's not even talk about the dubious quantitative easing- printing money out of nothing.

I agree with U tariff should be selective and this is an area I disagree with Trump.

But to say this trade deficit shouldn't be addressed, I beg to disagree.
I

Reference:
I still do not understand how folks who are against the quest of the US government to bring productivity back home expect the average American to afford the goods they produce abroad in perpetuity.

Who has been able to square the circle of not producing yet affording stuff when we clearly know that America is racking up monumental debts with countries like China and other so called 'cheaper' producers, aka lower living standards countries.

The average household debt or personal debt in America is rising steadily. Shouldn't this concern the rest of the world that this global market place, this global dumping ground is going bankrupt.

Now to the average American. Is it fair that you want to earn some of the highest, uncompetitive wages on earth and yet want to shop in 'bush' markets instead of at high end arcades.

This is the crux of the matter, a battle for the structural integrity of the global economy. Santa Claus is dying.

This is what I have been trying to explain here that some refuse to understand possibly due to their hatred of America or Trump.

America is funding his generous consumer market by borrowing heavily, a practice that's not sustainable on the long run.

One day, America will go bankrupt and won't even afford to borrow. Then what happens after that to the so called imported goods.

I may not fully agree with Trump and it seems he has sinister motive, but he's the only president who has taken the bull by the horn. We should see how it eventually works out.

I think he's referring to the time humans will colonize the moon, and some living there as a place of permanent abode. RCCG may decide to rotate its council meeting between earth and moon for benefit of its members on both side of the celestial body.
The technology for this to happen may be far fetch now, unrealistic and expensive; besides moon isn't habitable for life to exist independently. There's simply no benefit for humans to relocate and populate the moon. It's just a huge mass of crater and rocks, it has nothing useful we need that we know.
Above is the real miracle, will the moon be beneficial to humanity in the future necessitating relocation en masse?

Difrent:
But you entered into the agreement because you want to have unfair advantage over other competitors and you have made yourself the world police, some of those agreement made you this powerful

Don't you think rolling back all those things that made you great is going to make you less great and then make China that has been waiting in the wings and has so far been curtailed by your tariffs stronger ?

If china wants to be the next father Christmas of the world, then be my guest. I'm sure America will care less at this moment.

As per police of the world, we are already in a multipolar world. Sanctions and military threat only work against small and weak countries.

Nobody can tell china what to do and all U need to do to call off the bluff of Western bullies is to ha e nuclear weapons- they won't touch U.

Invasion is the last thing any western country will try in today's world. The riot in the street by its own citizens will lead to eventual collapse of that govt.

aribisala0:
A lot of people here commenting ignorantly about how the USA is justified in doing this.
That the US is running trade deficits with the world etc

On the surface that is a plausible argument

There is a fundamental point you are missing

We like to pretend that every country has a currency

In reality there is only one currency in the world and that is the US dollar

Now take a look around your room or your house.

Is there a single thing that is Made in the USA ? Even if you use an Iphone it likely is made in China

If you trade with China from Nigeria you are using dollars

Why is this?

Did we not recently hear the THREATS Trump made about anyone seeking to change the dominance of the dollar?


What does that have to do with Tarriffs?

Nigeria has maybe $30 billion in Foreign reserves . None of it is in a single Nigerian bank. The Saudis, Kuwaiti China Russia South Africa and others are forced to keep their money in US banks

What is the interest rate in Nigeria today? maybe 30% and America? Maybe 5%

So the Capital of the world is in US banks providing credit for Americans , businesses and individuals to live a lifestyle the rest of the world can only dream of

It is down to the fact that YOUR MONEY IS IN US BANKS and you dare not change it as an African leader or you will be removed


So in Nigeria you want an Iphone you pay cash upfront. same thing with a TV, Fridge etc

In America you can buy those things on credit and pay over 5 years. In fact they even allow you change your phone every year

So Americans are in a position to CONSUME like no other nation

Think about this
They continue racking this huge trade deficit and the dollar never crashes? Why Saudi sell their oil and keep it in US banks and invest in the USA

The same Saudi that will only build mosques in Nigeria
The Same Saudi that will not invest here
The Same Dubai that bans you from going there

Tinubu will go and sit with them forming Islamic conference but they will not put money here

The Position of the dollar is a military accomplishment not an economic one . Trump complains no one buys their cars? Yes because Korean cars, Japanese Cars European cars make more sense

Economically The US does not contribute that much .
They produce hardly any coffee .They set up an exploitative Starbucks and now want to impose tariffs on Coffee. How does that make sense. Is that supposed to persuade anyone to start growing coffee or bananas in America or to start buying Cadillacs and Fords

Your analysis is apt but U forget one big thing- America's rising debt.

American govt continues to borrow to fund his budget; not only that, America also prints money out of nothing to fund his budget. These are not sustainable and it's been said by 2035, America will be spending close to a trillion to finance his debt.
If that happens, a lot of continue will lose faith in the dollar as reserve currency, and will likely look for alternative source of reserve.

America may not take that lightly and may go to war which is exactly what is backing the dollar right now- military might.

Now Trump wants to avoid all these by forcing some productions back home thereby putting pressure off constant borrowing. I don't see anything wrong in this. Economic war is better than military war.

Flangelo12:
Shut up.

What of trade like Google, Facebook, YouTube?
Amazon?
You guys just talk rubbish and use Muslim as an epithet to subdue people from having a riposte.

Numbskull.

None of those products makes any sales in china.

Chinese-american trade agreement is a rip off. I may contest US tariff against other countries especially Canada and maybe EU. America needs Mexico if they are serious about bringing manufacturing back so tariff on that country is a joke.

But china- US trade policy is a complete ripoff that
should have been shredded long time ago by previous president

To see how foolish it sounds, now that china is self sufficient in technology and are leading in electric cars....
CCP has warned Chinese electric car makers building plants in Mexico NEVER TO SHARE TECHNOLOGY WITH ANY PARTNER OR SIGN ANY CONTRACT THAT INCUDES TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER.

That's to show U CCP is indirectly telling America and the west that they were very foolish to have empowered china and they won't be returning that favour.

Difrent:
You achieved your great status with the current situation
Nobody forced US to go into these trade agreements that doesn't favour them, they did it in order to beat others

Besides , because Americans are afraid of the impact of global warming, they shipped their manufacturing to china India Japan and Korea.
Trump has always been a climate skeptic , he has pulled out of the Paris agreement so the door is open for US manufacturing to return, they just needed an incentive which is what the tariffs will do

Let me ask U a question

If U enter an agreement and U later realised that contract was a mistake and not in your best interest or U noticed some loophole in the contract is being exploited against U.

What's the right thing for U to do?

Image123:
Lol, beat them and tell them how to cry. Saner clime peeps. Anyways, na so e go advice him president too. Oga don't fight, don't fight my oga.

They have been beating USA for years and she never complained.
So Trump is saying this initial flogging is for past beating.

donmik:
Una don hear the details wella ba?

There's no detail u have that I dont know.
I may not 100% agree with how Trump is going about it, but he's the first President to enact real action on this urgent crisis
I live in a country worse hit by this tariff but I dont build my life around sentiment. That I benefit from what is wrong doesnt change the fact that its wrong.
Most republicans have said they may not agree with Trump but his actions will set a template for future trade discussions and negotiation.

American coporation moved over 20 million jobs overseas within a space of 10 years, that impact was felt in most manufacturing cities esp the northeastern rust belts.
Travel to those cities, they look abandoned, dilapidated and run down. these are cities that depended on manufacturing for economic sustenance.
Trump is right and I stand by him on this one.