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KnownUnknown:
Jesus is a myth. Quoting stories from the Bible doesn’t detract from that fact. What is that quote supposed to prove anyway? This is what follows:

23 Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24 Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25 Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

The verse proved some of Jesus disciples could communicate in greek. So the anonymous authorship claim of the gospel is nonsense.

KnownUnknown:
I’m not Roman, Greek, or Jew, so Paul’s delusion or shame is no concern of mine. I find the god of the Hebrews to be the most repulsive creature in all of literature and the concept of “salvation” to be an utter joke.



Probably the greeks that settled in Ptolemaic and Seleucid area or maybe Hellenized Jews.



Consult a map of the Seleucid and Ptolemaic empires so you can see why the woman was called a Greek like you asked. I guess you can also call her a Canaanite if that helps you.

Your opinion about the God of the bible is the least of my interest.
Just learn to keep shut if u had no idea what u talking about otherwise u go chop dust.
U are not the first and definitely not the last. U don't believe in the bible stick your nose out of it.


One of u initially here insisted Jesus was a myth. After slapping him with hard facts and enormous dose of core truth, he has finally admitted Jesus died but didn't resurrect.
Now I'm about to work on his brain to see the resurrection of Jesus as real.

John 12.20

Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the festival. They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.” Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus

KnownUnknown:
I understand you’re woefully uneducated.

What's the lingua Franca in the eastern Roman empire during the time of jesus.
Ignore my illiteracy, just answer the question.

Don't be a coward who chickens out when confronted with facts.
Either stick to your earlier claim or retract it.

KnownUnknown:
Jews refer to non-Jews as gentiles.

Paul wrote in his book to the Romans...

For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek

Who are the Greeks Paul is to referring to here?

https://www.lavistachurchofchrist.org/cms/what-is-the-difference-between-a-greek-and-a-gentile/

KnownUnknown:
Possibly because she was a descendant of Hellenes who resided in the Seleucid empire.

Mr Man stop confabulating.
The syrophoenician woman is a Canaanite my friend. The bible called her a canaanite by tribe.
But the book of mark referred to her as a greek woman. Why?
By now your conscience already knows the answer. But your stubbornness will not let u admit.

kkins25:
The guy just keeps arguing in circles.

Isreal is not in Africa, then let him tell us how Christianity became an official religion of the Roman empire which extended to the shores of northern Africa. He's talking as if the disciples ventured into the deep parts of Nigeria to preach the gospels.

Jesus most likely spoke Aramaic, even though some jews also spoke Greek/latin. Jesus's audience were largely jewish, who understand the language he spoke, that is, Aramaic. He says, Europe has nothing to do with it, but the bible is completely, or rather, mostly translated from Greek---an European dialect. Which later went to Latin, before transcriptions to English, and to other languages. The Bishops who cemented the tenets of Christianity were cleary influenced by greeko-roman religious philosophy. It's the very reason Jesus is God. Remove the European jargon from the new testament and you'll have an ordinary man who served his God diligently. Poor old Sirtee15.

Ok let's test this claim of 'Jesus is God's is a greek-roman philosophy.

Do Jews in the 2nd temple period believe the word of God called logos is an existence on its own.
Have u heard of philo? What did he say about logos.
Do u know the book called Didache? It's a catechist used by jewish- Christians in the first century AD. What does it say about trinity?

Did any of the apostolic fathers in the first century AD confirmed Jesus is God.

KnownUnknown:
Jews refer to non-Jews as gentiles.



Possibly because she was a descendant of Hellenes who resided in the Seleucid empire.



Hellenized Jews were part of the ruling class or other well to do Judeans who had adopted Greek customs and civilization during that period.



I do not consider the Jesus story to be anything but mythology, however, since Judea was under Roman control during this time, the phrase would have been a mockery.



The same way any two people communicate. In a language they both understand, through gestures, or though a translator.



Whatever language Simon the Cyrene from North Africa and the Roman soldier both understood. But since he was a Roman soldier, I bet he didn’t even need to speak the same language as Simon when force and violence are very effective.




Probably because it was created by Hellenized Greeks.




That passage does not reflect your claims and Jesus the Greek speaker.

All your response makes no sense. It was better if u had kept quiet.
Gesture and translator indeed.

Now let's see the the correct answers to my questions.
What is the lingua Franca in the eastern province of the Roman empire?
Pls refer to my chat gpt screenshot for answer.

KnownUnknown:
Regardless of the accuracy or inaccuracy of the above, your Christianity came via the Church of England, an entity created by King Henry VIII of England because the Pope refused to let him get a divorce. That’s when Henry remembered that he was “ The King”, not the Italian dude in Rome claiming to get his authority from god.

Now tell me name of the first church in Nigeria.

KnownUnknown:
Regardless of the accuracy or inaccuracy of the above, your Christianity came via the Church of England, an entity created by King Henry VIII of England because the Pope refused to let him get a divorce. That’s when Henry remembered that he was “ The King”, not the Italian dude in Rome claiming to get his authority from god.

First, tell me; How did English themselves become Christians?

Second, So Methodist, catholic , foursquare, baptist churches in Nigeria came from the church of England.
Francophone countries also became christians virtue of church of England.
Mary Slessor was a Presbyterian, is she from church of England.

All u these atheists no just wan get sense. The nonsense u did in 2023, una don carry am enter 2024.

What exactly will cost u guys to research your claim b4 writing it. Google is just one click away.

There are some stuff I want to write but I delete because I cross checked and realise they were wrong. Why can't u guys do the same.
Abeg 2024 is too productive for this rubbish.
If u are too lazy to research your claim, just shut up. Some of us have life outside nairaland to be replying nonsense post.

KnownUnknown:
There would have ‘been no “lingua Franca” per se during those times. However, since it was the early period of imperial Rome when the power was in Rome and the Emperor was Tiberius, the “lingua Franca” would be Latin. While the “Greek” Seleucids and Ptolemaic had controlled the Judea area prior to the Romans, there is no reason to think the common people that had no direct business with rulers would be able to speak Greek.
Your example below is negated by the fact that despite the area called Nigeria being an English colony, speakers of the indigenous languages remained the majority and English was thought until a need for local clerical workers arose.




He speaks English due to being educated to speak English. The Jesus character would not have spoken Latin because he would not be educated to speak the language. Additionally, the people of Judea were fighting against Roman rule so adopting the language of the “enemy” would be out of the question. The people who would be able to speak Latin would be the highly educated wealthy/ruling class, a group that Jesus the carpenter was not part of.

So many assumptions in your post
But let me ask some questions
Why do Jews call gentiles Greek?
Why was the syrophoenician woman called Greek?
Who are Hellenised Jews, why are they called Hellenised , where do they live
Why did Pontius Pilate write 'king of Jews' in greek.
If a Jew wants to speak to a non Jew, in what language will they communicate?

Did u say English speakers were rare in colonial era amongst the native.
So if a Nigerian during colonial era travels to
Ghana, what language will he speak. Twi or ashante.
It's like you have forgotten pidgin English predates colonial era.
Every standard 6 holder in colonial days could communicate in English. My grandfather was writing in English as far back as 1920s yet didn't have any formal education.
Which bush of Nigeria do u come from that English speakers was a rarity in colonial era.

Simon the Cyrene from north Africa was asked to carry a cross by a Roman soldier in Judea province.
What would have been the language of communication.

If Latin was the lingua Franca in Roman province, why was the new testament written in Greek?

Your claim Jesus couldn't speak greek is largely unfounded when the bible points to the fact he could speak greek.

John 7.35

The Jews said to one another, “Where does this man intend to go that we cannot find him? Will he go where our people live scattered among the Greeks, and teach the Greeks? What did he mean when he said, ‘You will look for me, but you will not find me,’ and ‘Where I am, you cannot come’?”

Now why did the Jews say Jesus was going to teach the Greeks if they knew he couldn't speak greek.

I just discovered u another ignorant atheist. Pls check my previous post on this subject matter. I'm not ready to repeat myself.
Otherwise, u can get a digger and dig your own grave, then wait for me to bury u at my own convenience. I'm too busy in this 2024 to be replying ignorant posts, u have to wait.

kkins25:


Happy New Year to You to.. I haven't tried cocaine before, and I'm starting to wonder if I'm not missing out.

You be deluded werey sha. Answer me this one question..


What language did Jesus speak? Then, what language is the New testament written in? Which continent does that language belong to? Next, the people who own that language, what do they call them, Africans?

Answer this first, maybe the cocaine you are sniffing will clear from your eye.

It's obvious your knowledge of history is poor.
Instead of u to eat the humble pie and do more research u back here waiting to be buried.

What is the lingua Franca of the Roman empire in the eastern region. Did Jesus speak that Lingua Franca.

I already debate other atheist on this subject matter. Not ready to waste my time on someone who has no idea what's he talking about.

Go thru this thread and be enlightened.

https://www.nairaland.com/7885438/how-did-bible-bibliogy/8

Have u ever asked yourself how u are able to communicate in English right from childhood when English language is not native to Africa.
I'm beginning to think u are not smart. No offense.

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kkins25:
Tell me my friend, what was europe in that time?

Other statements are irrelevant. History class is needed here, and I'm no history teacher.

Then keep quiet on matters that are beyond your level of understanding.
U came here claiming Christianity is a white's man religion yet failed to back the claim with fact when critically examined.

How can Christianity be a white man's religion when no white man wrote the book, no blue eye or blond hair character exist in the book.
The white man was barely present when the doctrines of Christianity were established.

Father Augustine, one of the prominent church fathers present in Nicea council was a berber of ancient Numidia tribe from present day Algeria.
John Mark who wrote the gospel of Mark was born in Libya.

There are over 20 black people mentioned in the bible including the wife of Moses. Over 50 Africans mentioned in the bible including hagar the mistress of Abraham and bathsheba the wife of David.
Simon the Cyrene who helped Jesus Christ with his cross to Golgotha was an African and possibly black.
Yet not one single blond hair, blue eyes and pale skin was ever mentioned, Not one. The only way white people will appear in the bible is if the people of turkey are regarded as white, and of course they won't be blonde hair, pale skin or blue eyes.

U came here claiming black Christians are being brainwashed by Europeans yet u are the one who has Benn gullible all along fallen for the antics of the Europeans who painted all bible characters as white people.
U failed in your due diligence to examine the objectivity of your claim, a problem synonymous with atheist in general. U guys just open your mouth n utter whatever fits your pseudo intelligence delusion.
Hopefully u ve learnt something, and this experience will challenge your mind to learn the real truth in Christianity rather than just following the bandwagon.

Happy new year

kkins25:
I do hope you realize that the bible was translated from Greek/latin to English. Tell me sir, are they indigenous African dialects? Is English African? How many white men were in Africa?

Do you know no ounce of history? Don't you know the romans conquered the shores of North Africa? How do you think today, it's white people living in North Africa? A combo of Muhammadans and greeks and Turkish, but mostly turkish (ottoman).

Rome nko? Kindly check a map of the roman empire.

The bible has been translated into over 3000 languages. Just like the bible was translated to English, same way it was translated to other languages.
All versions are translated from the Hebrew bible and the codex sinaticus koine greek NT. Translators dont use the English bible to translate to other languages.
Get your fact right.

Regarding the wife of Moses, here is your answer
Number 12.1

And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

Now tell me who are ancient Ethiopians?
Next time get your fact right b4 bringing junk opinion from unfounded website.

3. Are u saying Roman bishops were at council of nicea? If yes, How many of them attended. That's my question.
Tell us the number of western bishops who were in attendance at nicea.
I already answered the question. Only 6 of the 381 bishops were Europeans. Yes, U read that right! Only 6.

NoToPile:
So the refined palm olein which they sell as groundnut/ vegetable oil here in Naija is what you call healthy. It's even written on the damn pack all those mamador and Co.

Some even call them bleached palm oil


Is there still original groundnut oil in this Naija market sef?

Except you buy those original oils, coconut, original olive, soya, canola etc your local original village palm oil is way better.

Fake palm oil mixed sef is now everywhere.

The general advice is to reduce the consumption of palm oil in your diet. Doesn't matter if it's vegetable oil extract from palm oil or red palm oil itself.
The calories in palm oil is 100% fat with 50% being saturated fat, this has been linked to LDL and increased cardiovascular health risk in the body.
The bleached palm oil should be avoided completely as it has little health benefit if any.

Red palm oil has vitamin A, E and antioxidants which is good for the body but u can easily get those in fruits and fresh vegetables without the baggage that comes with palm oil.
There's also the problem of high omega 6:3 ratio in palm oil. Omega 6 is a strong pro-inflammatory and not healthy for the body, the advice is to use cooking oil that has a low ratio of <10 for cooking. Palm oil has 44.5 ratio.

However, palm oil also has lower omega 6 content overall and much safer when compared with other vegetable oil in Nigerian market.
The op is misinformed, it's better the family stick with red palm oil if they cannot afford expensive ones like olive oil.

aribisala0:
No need to be abusive can you call your mother a nut?

If not do not use such language with me because of palm oil


You claimed ALL vegetable oils except rapeseed oil and Olive oil are not healthy

That is nonsense

Do not go about catting and pasting stuff you scarcely understand

This old man with grey hair would not respect himself.
If u becoming senile why don't u just shut up rather than constituting nuisance here.

aribisala0:
I am interested in educating you because you do not know what you are talking about

You are shifting the goal posts

Let us finish with one assertion before moving to the next

So are you saying that

ALL vegetables oils apart from Rapeseed oil and Olive do not contain unsaturated oils?


Secondly recommended BY WHOM?

There is so much you need to learn about the Geopolitics of dietary oil.
There are huge commercial interests and pressure groups that control so call recommendations and research
It is not enough to parrot saturated or unsaturated if you have not spend days studying the matter

However with respect your assertion about Vegetable oils is nonsense


The reality is that all commercially available oils contain a mixture of saturated and unsaturated oils BUT that is NOT THE ONLY consideration in what is healthy or not e,g processing, genetic modification, Vitamin content, Herbicide content etc

There are many other considerations beyond saturation of Fatty acids

AND VEGETABLE sources of oil are the healthiest oils know especially when consumed without processing for example from NUTS

I dont have time for conspiracy nuts like yourself.
Arguing with u is wate of time
Here's a local research on vegetable oil, Mr white man source is evil.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338253455_Fatty_Acid_Profile_of_Some_Selected_Locally_Consumed_Vegetable_Oils_in_Enugu_State_Nigeria

I can't believe an educated mind is still pushing for palm oil as source of good nutrition in 2024.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_oil. Read nutrition and health section.

aribisala0:
What is this declaration based on? It is such a powerful assertion


Not healthy how?

How is Olive oil or rapeseed oil healthier than Palm oil?

mono- unsaturated fats are the ones recommended for cooking. Saturated fats are best avoided or consumed less.
Olive and rapeseed oil are unsaturated fats.

The scope of why unsaturated fats are healthy is beyond the scope of discussion here. But I can send u links if u are interested in learning more.

jaephoenix:
Aha!
You're not denying it. Awesome.
So such event where a horde of people got resurrected and yet it wasn't recorded in history?

How many people wrote about the destruction of the city of Pompeii.
Pompeii was a big city, very wealthy and popular. Then in AD 79 it vanished.
Now tell me what happened to it, how many people at that time wrote about it's destruction.

jaephoenix:
Lol. Censuses are politically motivated.
Answer these questions
1. There are wars and strifes everywhere and these are fought by men, who also die.
2.Most diseases are male predilated. Like hypertension etc. Even some cancers.
3. Most men engage in dangerous lifestyles than women like smoking, alcoholism etc
4. The default sex in-uteru is female. Males have slightly lower chances of survival.
5. During censuses especially in Muslim dominated countries, women in harems aren't counted.
With all these factors, its a no brainer that there are more women in the world

This guy is funny. He will reject metaphysics and philosophy as a prove of God's existence but wants me to accept his wack opinion on gender population based on 'trust me bro'.
If it's someone that's proven himself here as intelligent we may consider his opinion. But someone who cannot define destiny is forming opinion.
Abeg pack one side and let intelligent people respond.

jaephoenix:
1. I don't understand this one? Was it the black man that handed us the Babble? U well so? Were the missionaries black?
2. So what the bishops came from Africa? There were also white men there. Greeks, Europeans etc. And they were chaired by Constantine I who is a white man.
3. You said the Babble characters are black. No p. That means you're saying your babble lied cos it described Jesus/Yahweh/angels as having flowing blond hair. Which African has flowing hair?
Lol 😆

1. I asked for the name of white men who wrote the bible. That's my question.
I'm not interested in who handed over the bible to us. I'm interested in those who wrote the content of the bible. Were they white men? That's my question.
Samuel ajayi crowther brought the bible to the shores of Yorubaland. The English were formerly pagan b4 someone also forced the bible down their throat.

2. Bishops from Ethiopia, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Carthage were present.
Now tell me the name of the western bishops who were present. FYI only 6 bishops from Western churches were present in the council of nicea ouf of 381 in attendance.
Constantine isn't a bishop, he wasnt involved in the establishment of doctrine of nicea. He's irrelevant to topic of discussion

3. I know comprehension is a big issue for u so I will be gentle with u as with a kindergarten.
I said show me any blond hair and blue eye character in the bible, just one. Show me a white character written about in the bible.
The point is there is no single white man in the bible. None. Instead we have known black characters written about in the bible.
Another example is queen of sheba from Ethiopia. There are more if u want.

Finally, u wrote bible claimed Yahweh, jesus and angles had flowing hair. Show me the passage that described them as having flowing hair.
because the book of ezekiel described the angels and definitely not with flowing hair.

GenderMix:
Dear Family,

I have been having this back and forth debate with my wife regarding cooking soup with groundnut oil as against red oil but she is on the negative. I had cooked Egusi soup with groundnut oil and it taste really nice. I had also done same with okra sea food and its really nice. The reason why I want to do away with red oil is because I have been advised on my cholesterol level and the odour from palm (red) oil doesn't sit well with me these days.

I want to serve my visitors Egusi soup prepared with groundnut oil but she's declined because she's not sure how it will be received....lol

Does anyone have experiences with cooking soups with only groundnut oil and how does it taste. okra, bitterleaf, oha, vegetable, edikaikong, egusi, etc

Except u using olive oil or rapeseed oil to cook, I don't really see your objection to palm oil because all vegetable oils apart from above are not healthy for the body.

People should ignore this pseudo intelligent fake guy called jaephonix. He's had an overloaded ego of himself.
He doesn't even know what he believes in. I've concluded long time ago he's confused.
Ask him the definition of destiny and see him give an islamic definition.

Regarding knowledge, ask him which gender has the most population. U will wonder his source of information.

There's absolutely no contradiction in the bible. We had this debate long time ago. I stead of him to stick to topic he was busy throwing tantrums

As for miracles, someone should send him the link of pastor jerry Eze. He's free to investigate those testimonies since the identity and location of each testifier are revealed.

BusterG:
I'm a guy and i honestly support this.

The one that baffles me is when seeing African ladies wearing wigs abroad.
Like WTF, how do you expect the people who you bought their hair to admire you.

TEAM NATURAL HAIR/AFRO/DREADS/DIDI/ALLBACK........ ANYDAY ANYTIME TWICE ON A THURSDAY

This is my biggest issue.
I understand if Nigerians at home wear wigs. But I can't get my head around why black women abroad will be wearing wig.
Do they think other race don't know it's not their hair. Who are u trying to impress with a fake hair.
It's lack of ingenuity and confidence issue to carry dead and fake hair for head and think people will be impressed.
Black women, adorn your hair; leave all this Asian and Latin hair alone.

ednut1:
Asisat cannot put her money on super eagles. Lets not lie

Bad mouth with bad belle. Abeg leave my golden girl alone.
But as a physician, make Una no put your money place bet on super eagles for this nations cup.
Suicide and hypertension is real.

Maynman:
No, he didn't write about it.
You should first learn what the book is about, and not just pick a line from it. The same way y'all do to jospehus.

Your Jesus is dead and gone, chrestian.

Lol so u finally accept Jesus is historical. For a long time u were so obstinate.

TakeNigeriaBack:
EVERY church in Africa.

It's like u inhale cow dung b4 coming to nairaland.
Show me any white character in the bible. Show me a blond hair and blue eye character in the bible.
Show me an European amongst the authors of the bible books. Just one white man who wrote anything inside the bible.

Then I will educate u on the black characters written about in the bible as well as bible authors of African origin.

Once we settle this, u will explain how someone from an ethnic group that is not white can be a white man.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Yes. But the churches have ACCEPTED WHITE man as their lord and savior.

Until the churches come out and say Jesus is not a WHITE man, there's no debunking.

Which church accepts a white man as their Lord and saviour?

TenQ:
Don't waste your time with him. Anyone who thinks that the Holy Spirit is Jubril is at best confused and satanically inspired

When we respond, it's not to cure them but to let them know we have the answers to their queries.
People come here to read comments and silence to their pompous apologetic questions may be misunderstood as ignorance on our side.

Just watch, he will never dare make an attempt to reply my mention because he wouldn't want to expose his ignorance and embarrass himself.
He will pretend as if he didn't read it.

TakeNigeriaBack:
Debunked by who? The church has NOT debunked anything.

Go to churches and see the images of WHITE jesus EVERYWHERE.

Until Church debunks, you're just making noise.

Did u actually read the image I screenshot?

TakeNigeriaBack:
Is this not your WHITE savior Jesus and his cousin Satan?

This has been debunked already. Jesus isn't white.

LegalWolf:
I only quote the most relevant part of your post. I don’t respond to thrash. That should answer you.



This is hogwash as well. Is just like me telling you to “show me a single scripture that expressly states trinity in the Bible . Trinity is not Biblical”. You’ll definitely disagree with me that although it’s not expressly stated in the bible, but there are certain verses that the doctrine can be deduced. Isn’t it?


But it’s any event, what is not in dispute is:

1. The Catholic Church is the oldest extant form of Christianity;

2. It was from the Catholic Church that Protestants (including Pentecostal) churches sprang from.

3. A key doctrine of the catholic church is that the pope is your gods representative on earth.

4. The pope (as your gods representative) has sanctioned gay marriage.

5. You claim your gods’ representative is under satanic influence 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂


Is there any point above that is controverted? Imagine your god representative being under satanic influence. Hahahanaha yhwh oooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1. Where did u get the info that Roman Catholic is the oldest. Have u heard of eastern orthodox church?
2. I agree the word Trinity isn't in the bible just like the word Tawhid isn't in the Koran but form the overall core doctrinal basis of Islam.
Its just too obvious to notice the manifestation of God in more than one person as u read thru the scripture.
Let's start with angel of the LORD. Who was the angel of the LORD who spoke to hagai in genesis and told her to name her son Ishmael. How did Hagai described this angel of the LORD?

3. Regarding how those oblivious of the gospel will be judge. TenQ already gave u the answer in Romans 2.
They will be judged according to the actions of their conscience since unto the pure all things are pure.
Same way kids will not be judged because it's believed they have a pure heart.

Halimaatz:
no, the joke is on you people.

See as u allow the dirty linen of your prophet to be washed in public.
Next time learn to shut up and dont dabble into what u know little or nothing about.