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honesttalk21:
I cannot totally agree with you and don't agree in the least bit.

First you state in the second paragraph a reliance on historical evidence. Which historical evidence outside the bible? Is the calling God father not amongst the offenses labelled against the biblical claim? Where was he vindicated of liability?

Furthermore, in what context did Jesus refer to God as his father? Explain and differentiate this concept from that of the old testament.

The Quran Mushaf is available and accessible for all that want to read and ponder over what is contained therein and your allegation that attempts to hide it away from scrutiny are false.

You fail to convince your stand by convincing premises and give a great fallacy in conclusion.

Didache written in 50AD confirmed Christians called God father, the book contain the Lord's prayer as instructed by Jesus; and the dead sea scrolls manuscripts confirmed the Jews called God father.

I really don't understand U. Why are U researching in what context Jesus Christ called God father when U already admitted Jesus in the Koran NEVER CALLED GOD FATHER.
What exactly is your point, that it's possible for Jesus in the bible to call God father if it's cultural or metaphorical BUT Jesus in the Koran can never call God father.
Read the above and ask yourself if it makes sense.

Incase U dont know, what u implying here is that Jesus in the Koran is not the same as Jesus in the bible.

Honesttalk, the issue here is that U neither appreciate nor understand religious history or how it's applied to the scriptures. U don't even fully grasp the error I'm trying to point out.

What U failing to do here is inability to correlate religious textual claim with historical reality.
Did Isa the Muslim ever called God father in whatever context, Did Isa the Muslim ever told his followers to call God father of course metaphorically.
If your answer is no then how come Jesus Christ in the bible did otherwise. Are they not the same person? How come the the bible and Koran is contradicting each other.

I think Muslims should be taught historical criticism of the scriptures. That' s the big problem here.

The day Muslims begin to appreciate religious history, that's the day they realise have been sold a big lie called the Koran.

nairalanda1:
Still keeping a wary eye on the government though. There is nothing they can do.

At least we know that the government threat to go after the banks dollar stores is 100% true. And we know the government is all dollared out, all euroed out, all pounds out.

At some point, my guys, we better wake up and look for better government next time.

Hypocrite
Are they not doing what U want them to do. End subsidy and float the naira.
So which one is looking at the govt with wary eye...when they did everything u wanted.
Obviously U have a dorm account n U now scared they will come for your dollar.
Your thoughtless and impractical policy failed and instead of u to won up...U looking for who to blame.
Big hypocrite

honesttalk, expanse, Qasim, antichristian

So I've been able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that ISA in the Koran is not the Jesus in the bible.

There's historical evidence that Jesus called God father and told his followers to do the same.
But ISA in the Koran never called Allah his father and never instructed his followers to call Allah father. honesttalk admitted to this.

From the above it's obvious, ISA and jesus are not the same person. It makes no sense for Jesus who called God father to be isa who never call God father. Attempt at making them one is what we call cognitive dissonance.

ISA is what we call an impostor, a fabrication by Muhammed. And that puts the koran into lots of trouble.
The Koran cannot survive historical scrutiny when tested with historical facts/evidence, it will fall yakata for ground. The Koran cannot fit into any historical reality, it's just impossible.
That's why islamic countries do not want western scholars to investigate the Koran like they do to the bible. They don't want the truth to come out.

I will continue to expose the inherent impossibility of Koranic text to make sense when compared with historical reality.

Next will be another question Muslims love to ask, 'Why does God need a Son?'
I will answer the question and use it to prove the historical problems associated with Koranic texts.

Expanse2020:
You should be fooling yourself around
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After inhaling your dose if laffing gas, come back here n critic the article. That's what this thread is about, no one is interested in your inconsequential laffing.

Up till now U failed terribly to debunk any evidence brought against the Koran as a false book. All u do is run to bible as a way of deflecting the embarrassment in the Koran. As if the lies in the bible makes the Koran true
Sorry to disappoint U, that other religion is false doesnt make the Islam true.
Islam has been tested here based on historical reality and it failed woefully.
Laff all u want, but doesnt change the fact Islam is one of the many false religion prophesied in the bible.
Kiss the truth the same way u kiss the black stone.

Expanse2020:
Different narrative from John,Luke,Mattew, mark

John 20:1-8
The Resurrection of Jesus
20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb. MARRY ONLY AND THE THOMB HAS BEEN OPEN 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” 3 Then Peter and the other disciple set out and went toward the tomb. 4 The two were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent down to look in and saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, 7 and the cloth that had been on Jesus’s head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed, 9 for as yet they did not understand the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. 10 Then the disciples returned to their homes.

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
11 But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb . As she wept, she bent over to look[a] into the tomb, 12 and she saw two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus had been lying, one at the head and the other at the feet. 13 They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.” 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew,[c] “Rabbouni!” (which means Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not touch me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. [b]But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ” [/b]18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and she told them that he had said these things to her.
PLEASE WHERE DID PETER AND OTHERS DISERPEAR IN A BLINK OF AN EYE

[b]Bros Mattew 😂
The Resurrection of Jesus
28 After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord, descending from heaven, EARTHQUAKE
REALLY 🤣🤣 came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning and his clothing white as snow. 4 For fear of him the guards shook and became like dead men. 5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here, for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he[a] lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.’ This is my message for you.” 8 So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to tell his disciples. 9[b] Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers and sisters to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”
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MR MARK GBEMIDEBE
16 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week[b], when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb[/b]. 3 They had been saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?” 4 When they looked up, they saw that the stone(THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY ANGEL), which was very large, had already been rolled back. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here(JE (WAS NOT AT THE THOMB OR VICINITY) 😂😂🤣. Look, there is the place they laid him(WHER😂😂E). 7 (WHO IS TALKING PLEASE 🤣🤣🤣)But go, tell his disciples and (WHICH PETER, THE ONE THAT FOLLOW MARY BEFORE 🤣🤣) Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you.” 8 So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.[a]

BROS LUKE COME ANT TELL US THE TRUTH JARE
The Resurrection of Jesus
24 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they went in they did not find the body.[a] 4 While they were perplexed about this, suddenly[b] two men in dazzling clothes stood beside them[/b] (I KNOW U WILL SAY THE TRUTH 😂😂😂NOT ANGEL). 5 The women[b] were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground,[b] but the men[c] said to the[/b]m, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here but has risen.[d] 6 Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be handed over to the hands of sinners and be crucified and on the third day rise again.” 8 Then they remembered his words, 9 and returning from the tomb they told all this to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 Now it was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them. 12 But Peter got up and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths by themselves; then he went home, amazed at

Thank you so for the clarity UNCLES

THAT IS WHAT THEY CALLED CONCRETE EVIDENCE IN THE FALLACY BOOK
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PATIENTLY WAITING FOR YOU TO DEBUNK IT

DID THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE JESUS AT RESURRECTION EVEN ON THE THOMB

Read this, the answer u looking for is there..

https://www.nairaland.com/7818601/why-gospel-resurrection-accounts-differ/2#125429012

honesttalk21:
SirTee15 as I say, your question was if Jesus in the Quran refers to Allah as father then if he instructed his followers to call Allah father or do you deny this?

I don't like complicating responses. You have accepted that the above questions on father have been answered. You are now asking if certain verses are corrupted? Is this correct?
Your repeating tends to suggest so.

The verses may or may not be corrupted however you regarded my submission on metaphorical meaning. Are these verses including father also metaphorical?

Let's be factual in our addresses.

Listen to yourself and ponder if what U saying makes sense.
U stated here that Jesus in the Koran couldn't have called God father and never told his disciples to call God father.

Then u came to the bible and said it's possible Jesus called God father only if it's within cultural context or used metaphorically.

Are they not the same person. Is Jesus in the Koran and the one in the bible not the same person. So how can one call God father and the other denied ever calling God father.

If above is not confusion and cognitive dissonance mixed together. I don know what to call it.
If we have a time machine and we go back in time into 30AD to meet Jesus when he was walking on this earth, will we find him calling God father?
That's my question that honesttalk has refused to answer.

Well I hope I have exposed the fraud in the Koran and forced u to see the truth.
As I said this is not about u leaving Islam but to make u ponder on the reliability of the Koranic texts.

honesttalk21:
SirTee15 as I say, your question was if Jesus in the Quran refers to Allah as father then if he instructed his followers to call Allah father or do you deny this?

I don't like complicating responses. You have accepted that the above questions on father have been answered. You are now asking if certain verses are corrupted? Is this correct?
Your repeating tends to suggest so.

The verses may or may not be corrupted however you regarded my submission on metaphorical meaning. Are these verses including father also metaphorical?

Then you go ahead to say Allah cursed the Jews for calling him father? You obviously are just stating for the sake of it or what does Quran 5:18 you quoted say regarding a curse?

Let's be factual in our addresses.

Now u hiding behind one finger.
my first question was did Isa made reference to God as father. You replied NO
Then my next queston was if Isa didnt call God father, the verses that claimed Jesus called father in the bible, are they corrupt?
then u dived into how the term father was used in the scriptures used- whether they are metaphorical or literal?
I'm not here to debate theological terminology of Father. What I'm here for is to show u that the koran is deficient when subjected to historical scrutiny. koranic texts cannot survive any viable historical test- it runs into lots of serious problems.
Did Jesus when he was walking on this earth called God father? This is a historical question, not a theological question.
I'm not asking u if Jesus called God father within the realm of divine or metaphorical statement. But here to ask u Jesus calling God father is a historical fact.
Your koran made it clear Isa could never have called God father and would never have told his disciples to call God father.
But the gospel letters made it clear Jesus called God father and told his disciples to call God father.
Both cannot be true historically. either the koran or gospel letter is lying. The question I'm asking u is which one is false.

I never said God cursed the jews for calling God their father. show me where I said so here.
My statement is clear- Allah condemned jews for calling God their father. pls check the difference btw condemn and curse.

The Jews and the Christians each say, “We are the children of Allah and His most beloved!” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Why then does He punish you for your sins? No! You are only humans like others of His Own making.
The highlighted clearly shows Allah frown on people calling him their father.

honesttalk21:
Again you rephrase you stand/question. Good you acknowledge you have been answered.

I am not talking about whether the verses in your Bible are corrupt or corrupted as it isn't part of your original question.

U see, the fact that U can't take a stand regarding if those verses are corrupt or not shows u struggling with the TRUTH.
If Isa never referenced God as father, then it should be clear whoever wrote that he said so in the gospel is lying.
That should be easy. Isn't it? What's difficult.

If Allah condemned Jews for calling him father, then whoever wrote that the prophets in the old testament referenced God as father should be lying. It's just common sense.

But honesttalk here is not ready to stick out his neck for the Koran because he knows the TRUTH.
Those verses in the bible are not corruption. Jesus did call God father and the prophets in the old testament were correct to referenced God as father.

All historical records about Abrahamic faith prior to islam confirmed God is called father. All of them- including non biblical text.
These include Targum, Talmud, Peshitta, dead sea scrolls, Didache, early church fathers writings. These books all called God father.
The only book that says God should not be called father is the Koran. A book that came after people had been calling God father for over 2 thousand years and no prophet corrected them. No record of any prophet correcting them.

Honesttalk the reason U were not willing to beat your chest that the bible verses are corrupt is because U will struggle to defend that position.

Honesttalk what I want u to see and understand is that Koran can't stand historical test or scrutiny. It always fails whenever this happened.
The Koran as a book struggles to make sense when applied within historical context.
What we have instead from Muslim apologetics are lies upon lies, waffling, rewording the verses in the Koran, ambiguous re explanation of the Koranic verses.
Good thing is u didn't take that route. U seem like an intelligent guy and not someone obsessed with blind faith.
I'm not here to tell U to become Christian, I'm not even telling u to leave Islam. But what I want u to do as an intelligent person is take a look at the Koran in your hand and ask yourself this sincere question
Is this book really from God? Did Muhammad actually heard from any angel?
because from our conversation here, some things are clear.
ISA in the Koran IS NOT Jesus in the bible. They are 2 different characters. Jesus in the bible called God his father, ISA in the Koran didn't call God his father; Jesus in the bible told his disciples to call God father but ISA never told his disciples to call God father. It's obvious they can not be the same person. One is true and the other is a fabrication. I will leave u to guess who is who.

It's also obvious from the conversation here that Muhammed never heard from God. It's all a lie.
Jews during the time of Elijah called God father, they did so during the time of David, Elijah, Elisha, Ezra, Isaiah, Jeremiah. Yet none of this prophets of God told them not to call God father, there's no record of them telling Israelites not to call God their father.
Only Muhammed has that information. Something isn't right. It's either the prophets in OT never heard from God or Muhammed never heard from God. I will leave u to guess who never heard from God.

honesttalk21:
Now you are editing or is it rephraising your question. Did you not write?



I requote the original you made with your questions in bold. Since Isa a.s never called Allah his father why will he ask his disciples to addreas Allah as father? He never said such in the Quran.

It doesn't matter if Jesus' reference to God as father is to himself or others. All I want to know is did Jesus ever referred to God as father and U have answered me.
Now, are U saying those verses where jesus referenced God as father are corrupt. Is that what U saying?.

Are U saying this beautiful and morally upright verses are corrupt
“This, then, is how you should pray: “’Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name mat 6.9

Matthew 6:25–34
26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

So are U saying these edifying verses didn't come out of the mouth of Jesus because he called God his Father.

Then we can also assume Isaiah and other old testament prophets didn't make reference to God as father.

So are u then insinuating that these verse are also corrupt? Pls this is not about context but about if the referred to God as father.

Ish 63.16 For you are[b] our Father [/b]
though Abraham does not know us,
and Israel does not acknowledge us;
you, O LORD, are our Father,
our Redeemer from of old is your name.

Ish 64.8 But now, O LORD, you are our Father;
we are the clay, and you are our potter;
we are all the work of your hand.

Jer3.19 “‘I said,
How I would set you among my sons,
and give you a pleasant land,
a heritage most beautiful of all nations.
And I thought you would call me, My Father,
and would not turn from following me.

Mal 2.10 Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers?


So if Isaiah, Jeremiah and Malachi all called God father, are U then saying they are false prophets or those verses are corrupt. Which one?

honesttalk21:
Attempt at equating servant to slave you say is what? The Arabic term abd is used to denote both “slave” and “servant,” emphasizing the idea of being a devoted servant to God.

Probably for a focused and less ambiguous discussion show where you get from the Koran

That's not true, the Arabic word for servant is khadim. Khadim is never used for slave but abd means slave.

Allah made it clear he has no son and nobody should say he has a son. He also made it clear he's not a father to anybody. Allah doesn't enter his creation and wants no personal relationship with mankind.

Furthermore, After Muhammed's calling, Allah made it clear he doesn't want to talk to anybody again. Just do as I say and dont ask questions or communicate with me.

That definitely a definition of a slave-master relationship.

honesttalk21:
The Quran has nothing like Jesus (Isa a.s) calling Allah father. I didn't say anything about the Bible verses where Jesus is said to have called God father.

You ask whether I know people called God father before Jesus? Well if they did according to the Bible in what context is this?

Let's consider Isaiah 63:15-17

15 Look down from heaven and see, from your lofty throne, holy and glorious.Where are your zeal and your might? Your tenderness and compassion are withheld from us.

16 But you are our Father,though Abraham does not know us or Israel acknowledge us;
you, Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name.

17 Why, Lord, do you make us wander from your ways and harden our hearts so we do not revere you? Return for the sake of your servants, the tribes that are your inheritance

You see Father and Lord which appear to address one person. With respect to father God is seen as a father in terms of his role as the creator and protector of the nation of Israel rather than in a literal sense.

In the cultural context of the time, the family unit was highly valued. Fathers held the role of protecting, providing for, teaching, and disciplining their children. By using "Father," Jesus tapped into the societal understanding of this relationship.

Then you see in verse seventeen a request for the lord (which is God isn't it?) to return for the sake of his servants.

Does this answer the servant/slave of Allah question you asked?

The issue is not whether the word father is used literally or metaphorical. That's irrelevant to the topic.
The question is did Israelites/Jews or Jesus ever called God their father.
Did they ever refer to God using the word Father. That's my question. I'm not debate the context which it's used with u.
For example Jesus taught us how to pray by starting with
'Our Father' ....Did Jesus ever mentioned that word.

Did Isa who is supposed to be Jesus ever told his disciples to call God their Father.
That's my question.

Attempt at equating slave to servant shows u embarrassed by the Koran. There's Arabic word for servant and it's different from the Arabic word for slave.
Why is the former not used but the later in your Koran is the question U should ponder about?

honesttalk21:
SirTee15 what does it meanI in context to be a slave of Allah?

To be a slave of Allah in Islam is to submit oneself entirely to the will of Allah, acknowledging His sovereignty and authority over all aspects of life. This concept is central to the Islamic faith and carries profound implications for the beliefs, actions, and mindset of a Muslim. It is not slavery in the horrific way most humanity has it.

It entails complete submission to the commands and guidance of Allah as outlined in the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This submission encompasses all facets of life, including personal conduct, worship, relationships, and decision-making. It involves aligning one’s will with that of Allah and striving to live in accordance with His divine guidance.

Surrendering Personal Desires and inclinations to prioritize the fulfillment of Allah’s commandments which involves exercising self-discipline, resisting temptations that contradict Islamic principles, and prioritizing obedience to Allah over worldly pursuits.

Servitude and Devotion to Allah alone while cultivating a deep sense of gratitude, reverence, and love for Allah, recognizing His mercy, compassion, and wisdom. This devotion is expressed through acts of worship such as prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage.

Acceptance; though there may not be too much choice here, that everything that occurs is by the will and leave of Allah and trusting in His wisdom even in times of adversity or uncertainty. It fosters resilience, patience, and reliance on Allah’s guidance in navigating life’s challenges.

Being a slave of Allah necessitates upholding ethical conduct, justice, and compassion in dealings with others. It involves treating fellow human beings with kindness, fairness, and empathy while adhering to the principles of honesty, integrity, and social responsibility.

The phrase “child of God” is often used in religious and spiritual contexts to describe a person’s relationship with the divine. In Christianity, being a child of God is a metaphorical concept that signifies a close, intimate, and familial connection between an individual and God.

Is this not complying with the covenant and thus following the commands, worshipping and upholding righteous conduct as prescribed by God?

Islam doesn't support this as the position and reverence of Allah is so much. It cannot to be reduced to having or likening a relationship of father and child. Allah is far above all this.

Jesus (Isa a.s) never called Allah his father.

@SirTee15
Tenq had been blundering by my observations on the positions of baby; it appears you missed being mentioned

I will respond to your other assertions later including the gravid uterus issue. Buy for now let's focus on the most important response did Jesus called God his father.

You claim ISA didn't call God his father, but Jesus (who is supposed to be Isa) called God his father 165 times in the gospels.
So are U saying all those verses that wrote Jesus calling God his father are corrupt.
So gospel writers started lying that Jesus called his God father according to you Muslims. Is that what u saying.
Are U saying the Lords prayer is corrupt and Jesus never said it. because the lord's prayer start with 'Our father'
What will be the motivation for these gospel writers to start lying about jesus calling God his father. What is their aim.

Do U know people calling God their father precede Jesus.
According to Isaiah, God said he's a father to Israel and told Israelites to call him their father. Is that another corruption.

So are U claiming all verses in the bible that says God is a father are all corrupt. Is that what u saying ?

sukkot:
My people I am tired of this fake lekki life. I Dey move go alapere ketu go rest. This fake lekki life has wound my bank akant but that’s not even the problem.

The problem is that the food no Dey ever sweet. The food is always overpriced and rubbish. Tastes like something an amateur cooked. Anyway this particular one which is waffles and chicken is from a joint. Total is 7500. 2 chickens waffle and Fanta. Total waste. Taste bland and dry and tedious.

I think I am officially done eating out. It’s official. Am done.

U complained of UK, U complained of western country.
Now u complaining of lekki.
What's next? Complain of iragbiji when U finally relocate to your village.

Besides u of all people should know that's not a healthy food.
If U can't eat natural foods in naija, then your relocation back home is a waste.

Expanse2020:
One about Christianity when you debunk them with thier book they will come with hitted arguments..they will want u to bring something else according to your book Which say the word of God cannot be alter by man.. should clear it up for you without any argument ney Your arguments will start rumbling up

And even if you want start argument start with the verse diserpearing lately from your new testament

I'm not here for whataboutism. You came here claiming God wrote a book- I demanded for evidence, u diverted to God's word.
For your info, there's a difference btw word of God and the bible. Not everything in the bible is the word of God. There's word of God's prophet and word of men in the bible too.
If U don't know something , ask and U will be enlightened.

Now that u know better, I repeat- where in the bible does it say God wrote a book.

Expanse2020:
If it's truly word of God as it's and it's proof itself..

And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.”


I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.


You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you


Are you now satisfied.....
Then the questions is word of God written and re-written and revising by man adding and subtracting is contradictory with what is in the bible

And there is curse for those who keep revising it
Standard version
Revised version
Revised standard version
Women bible version
Awwwwn because the word of God cannot contradict but man with their self ideology the reduced the book fromn 80 to 66 chapters as if it's enough they start lately removed verses form the remaining 66books...
Common men that no more word of God

where in the verses u quote did it say God wrote a book. show me a verse that clearly states God wrote a book.
commandments and prophecy doesnt mean God wrote a book. try harder.

regarding the 80 v 66 books. what do u know about the deuterocanonical book? why were they rejected by judiasm and not included in masoretic text.

Expanse2020:
But bible said the word of God cannot be alter by man..
So how come the man wrote the word of God, if God established he wrote book for us and no man shall alter it.
But some people actually writing the word of God

Bring evidence where God said he wrote a book.
I take God beg u...don't bring the Koran. Thank u.

Expanse2020:
Like song of Solomon
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When it teach us how to fiddling with Ladies

Have U actually read songs of Solomon?

Expanse2020:
But the bible is from God right

Books in the Bible was written by men filled with the holy spirit and inspired by God to write down what they saw, witnessed and experienced about God.

Expanse2020:
So actually believed a God can die
God is weak too

Do U want to learn about Jesus Christ?
Do U actually and sincerely want to understand the divinity of Jesus Christ.
I'm happy to teach u.

Forget all those nonsense God can't die, God can't use the toilet, and other dawahgandist propaganda against jesus Christ.
If U want to know about christology and Christophany, I'm happy to teach u.

Qasim6:
God is like a father to us all in the sense that he provides and cares for us all. What we reject is the Christians understanding of Father-Son relationship of God and Jesus.

If Psalms 91 is something that have to do with Jesus in the slightest, how do you reconcile that with a crucified Jesus that prayed to God concerning the crucifixion in Gethsemane and also have it in mind that Jesus said in John 11:42 that God always hear him.

Cc lukuluku69, antichristian, honesttalk, ohyoudidn't

If U believe God is your father, then you have left Islam. There's a reason the Koran call u slaves and not children.
Your Allah insist he has no children and forbid anyone calling him father or his children.

The Jews and the Christians each say, “We are the children of Allah and His most beloved!” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Why then does He punish you for your sins? No! You are only humans like others of His Own making. He forgives whoever He wills and punishes whoever He wills.

Here your Allah condemned the Jews and Christians for saying God is their father.
U guys are slaves to Allah, accept your position and be comfortable with it.

Now let me ask u a question to prove your Koran is not from God.

Did Isa in the Koran(not Jesus of the bible) ever called Allah his father.
When Isa was walking the surface of this earth preaching the injil to the Jews, b4 Allah took him, did he ever open his mouth to say 'Allah is my father'

Pls do not reference the bible. I want the answer from the Koran or hadith. Did Eesa ever say 'Allah is my father' when he living in this world.

Expanse2020:
But according to the bible non of the 12desciple was not their they all forsook him, how did they now know they nail him and killed him🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
According to the bible when they went to his tomb after 3days they didn't see him there but they later find him in the upper room where they meeting...
For the record in bible nobody saw him from his tomb till he enter the building and until he came out from the upper room where they saw him...
Abeg did Jesus use abracadabra enter the building nii🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That place no clear 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cc
Qasim

You have to be drunk and lost in insane delusion to be a Muslim.

All historical records we have about Jesus confirmed he was crucified.
All non biblical authors who wrote about Jesus confirmed he was crucified.
People who had nothing to gain from the so called death of jesus and are disinterested in his final fate all wrote and confirmed he was crucified.
Josephus, a Jew wrote Jesus was crucified
Tacitus an enemy of Christianity wrote in 110 AD that Jesus was punished and justly crucified by Pontus Pilate.
Mara bar sarapion a stoic philosopher writing in 74 AD confirmed Jesus was crucified.
Suetonius and Pliny, both Roman historian with disdain for Christians confirmed Jesus was killed by crucifixion.
Thallus, the first historian to write about jesus in 50AD described the night Jesus was killed.

All ancient historical sources we have both extant and references confirmed Jesus was crucified.
All western atheist scholars admitted the cruxifixion and baptism are the most valid fact about jesus.

Yet a man came out of a cafe 700 yrs later and told his followers the Jews killed their Messiah and rejoiced thereafter.
That the Koran could write such absurdity- that jews rejoice after killing their Messiah, shows the Koranic
lack of historical awareness and poor knowledge of contemporary events.

The Jews will never kill their Messiah, rather they will worship him.

The Koran is not a book from God. It's a plagiarized book from Muhammed. The only way the book can be from Allah is if Allah is not God Almighty.

kolanpas:
I wonder why some people will just be exhibiting their ignorance publicly. In Islam our role model is Muhammad SAW, and the books we adhere strictly to is Quran and Hadith, so anybody that goes against the aforementioned person and books doesn't represent our religion and we are not oblige to follow him, no matter who is she or he.

Do U believe those who fail to wake up for morning prayers in islam is as a result of satan urinating in their ears.

Inflation is biting hard globally especially in western countries with this ongoing russia-ukraine wahala.
Also lots of recent complaints coming from recent immigrants into Canada. Infact majority will advise u not to come and some are leaving canada for home.

I will admit the recent immigration policy of western leaders has failed and led more cons and pros. Even the immigrants themselves are complaining.

It has to be a black man. Na that Kain useless things dem go carry award.

Maynman:
I wonder why a straight man have this picture on his phone, na your rapist father send am give you?
What do you do with this picture, SIRTee15 😂

Out of all his pictures, why this 😂😂

Incest runs deep in your family. U can't be sleeping with your mum and be normal.
The only discussion I want to have with u is to discuss how to get u into therapy.
Otherwise u wasting your time.

Funtofash:
This is not real. It's just a trick.

How do u know that?

Maynman:
Empty just like that unfortunate rapist you call father.

Talk to him if u bored or ashamed of your dad to talk to him

Maynman:
What does jazz look like?
And if you can't explain it, it's "jazz"?
Do you have to be expert to know what jazz looks like?

I said u should ask your pardophile parents.
I dont talk to degenerates.

Advision:
You don't need the extract the pheromones, take the queen and the hive will follow

Thanks that's all I need to know.

I know there's no jazz involved, my annoyance is against so called anti jazz experts who see what looks jazz and since they can't explain- resort to 'oh how has it helped Africa'.
If u don't believe in jazz stick to it.