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AntiChristian:
"You can't understand the Bible with your canal mind until you have the Holy Spirit"

Now Holy Spirit enter Samson turning him to a Killing machine!

SIRTee15

Are you Googling "your Holy Spirit" or your subscription don expire?

Thats why I said leave the holy spirit out of it.
We debating the Koran here not the Bible. I don't need the holy spirit to understand the Qur'an. All I need is common sense and honesty.

Now can U answer the question.
Since that evil verse was ignored by Muhammed companions, does that mean it doesn't make sense?

AntiChristian:
Are you not defending the Bible of your founding fathers and Rome even with more than lies?

Bring up the lies in the bible. Start with one so we can thrash.
Don'

TenQ:
Dont mind honesttalk21:

Sahih al-Bukhari 2925
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
Allah's Messenger said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"

Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209
Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'"


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 400
Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Do not hate one another nor contend with one another. Slaves of Allah, be brothers."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3445
Narrated `Umar:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

There are hundreds of Hadiths where both Mohammed and every Muslim is described as the slave of Allah

Honesttalk is that not Abdullah translated as slave of Allah in the hadith. I thought U said Abdullah mean worshippers of Allah...

Pls leave up to your name...honesty.

AntiChristian:
The Qur'an (not Koran) points to the Hadiths and the Hadiths points to the Qur'an!
So I understand but I doubt if the Holy Spirit can ever wrap his head around this!

Leave holy spirit out of this, U just need common sense and honesty.

So if a verse in the Qur'an says it's ok to divorce little kids and we don't find such in the hadith...
Does it mean that Qur'anic verse isn't true?
Is that what U saying.

Expanse2020:
You asked me to show you that slave that Moses and his men captures were not treated to slavery..

Whether you like it or not you know the truth for yourself and the Lord luggard that came to Nigeria what did they introduce and use the opportunity to robbed our ancient and took them for slavery in the name of missionary NO BE CHRISTIANITY THEY BROUGHT

Hahaha

Black Muslim accusing black Christian of following the religion of their slave masters. What an irony.

Have U heard of the trans Shahara slave trade?
Arab Muslims came into Africa and took over 10 million black people away from the continent as slaves. This was btw 7th century well into last century.

Why do U think Somali look down on blacks. because they were the middle men in the horrible slave trade practice.
They kidnap blacks from east Africa, then sell them to the Arabs Muslim.
Yorubaland was never a victim of slavery until the Sokoto caliphate took over Ilorin in 1820. The fulanis then started raiding the Yoruba towns for slavery and selling them to the Dahomey people.

U better learn your history. because what U saying here is a case of kettle calling pot black.

Expanse2020:
Are you kidding where did I take it over the Quran...
Na so all of una change things.. because ur book gat alot of blunder you want to die on d Quran 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I thought u were the one who wanted teach me the Koran.
I asked just 2 questions now, U couldn't give any reasonable answer, doing whataboutism, and already running away.

Who is dhul-qarnayn? No answer
Explain the verse of divorcing little kids...no answer, instead U telling me people ignored the verse.

Next time don't enter the kitchen if U can't stand the heat.

If U want to ask questions in the bible, I'm happy to cure your ignorance and teach u what a satisfactory answer looks like.

Expanse2020:
Are you kidding where did I take it over the Quran...
Na so all of una change things.. because ur book gat alot of blunder you want to die on d Quran 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Stop the cap bro..
U asked me to show u companions of Muhammad who divorced little kids in the hadiths.

Why do U want me to check the hadith to corroborate what's written in the Koran? Why would U ask me to do that?

because the verse was a lie or was ignored?

Expanse2020:
Guy you funny

I told you marry, Rebekah Rachel marry at the baby age you disagree abii

And I told you to show me from the hadiths to that a companion of prophet or prophet divorce a little girl but you are saying another thing for cover up..
You asked me to show you that slave that Moses and his men captures were not treated to slavery..

Whether you like it or not you know the truth for yourself and the Lord luggard that came to Nigeria what did they introduce and use the opportunity to robbed our ancient and took them for slavery in the name of missionary NO BE CHRISTIANITY THEY BROUGHT

Muslims are funny...
All of a sudden hadith is greater than Koran. Why should I go the the hadith to validate what is written in the Koran.
Your Koran tells u to do divorce small girls who are even yet to menstruate. Now U telling me to go to the hadith to find those who obeyed The instruction of your Allah in the Koran.
So what's your point? That the Koranic verse is a lie or forgery. Or people knew the Koranic verse didn't make sense and ignored it. Or people choose and pick what to believe in the koran. Or U are saying the Koranic verse doesn't make sense.

As u can see even expanse2020 does not agree with the Koranic verse on divorcing kids. He knows it doesn't make sense.
That's why he's ready to throw the Koran under the bus because he admits that verse of divorcing little kids is evil, it can't come from God.


Qasim, honesttalk, antiChristian, lukuluku69 just imagine your Muslim friend is telling me to check the hadith to know if what's written in the Koran is true.

Pls carry him to the masjid, pronounce Sharia on him and whip him some good kobokobo.

TenQ our Muslim nairalanders no go kill me with desperate mental gymnastics.

honesttalk21:
I am not fighting anything and if I am a slave of Allah as you say there's no better master to slave for than Allah.

I am proudest to be a slave of Allah. You have the problem with that not me.

I showed you a verse with abd before or didn't I?

How can I have a problem with what the deity u worship calls u? All me and TenQ have been saying is be proud to be a slave to your deity. Don't deny the identity he gave u. Simple.
U are the one twisting the word of the Koran claiming abd means servant or worshippers in the Koran.

Congrats tha U finally embrace your true status. I hope u won't twist mouth again.

Now U didn't answer my questions
Why did the English translators of the Koran use slave of Allah instead of worshippers of Allah for abd.

If an Arab calls u abd, will U be proud he's worshipping u. Is it a good thing for an Arab to call a black man abd.

honesttalk21:
Interesting you acknowledge or will do that the name of Prophet Muhammad pbuh s father is Abdullahi and should have come across people named Abdullahi. The past governor of Nassarawa state has this name as surname.

Some footballers etc

Did you check the translation yourself?

SirTee15 let's finish with the Abdullahi before moving to other questions. If you cannot appreciably agree or derive value in my answer on this how then will you on following questions?

Why ask so many questions that remain unsatisfactorily answered? What is the rush?

Have you also been bitten by the Gish gallop bug?

Al - Abs the worshipper

Abdullahi: Worshipper of Allah

Show me where Muslims are called Abdullah as reference to Allah in the koran...
Words are used in context u should know that....
If I stand b4 a judge and say your honour...is it the same as honour to God?
If I bow b4 my parents as a greeting, is it the same as bowing b4 my LORD?
Words are used in context my friend.

U are the one fighting the identity Koran gave u because sincerely it makes perfect sense.
U are ashamed of the word Koran slammed on u and I dont understand why?

If abd is so great why do Arabs use it as derogatory word against blacks.
Why do Arabs call blacks abd or u trying to tell me they worship blacks?

Why did English translators of the Koran use slaves of Allah instead of worshippers of Allah when translating abd.

U clutching at straws here my friend. Funny enough, I'm sure if an Arab man calls u abd U won't feel good with yourself that he's worshiping me, will U?

honesttalk21:
Abdullahi is the state of every Muslim and is reported to be a most liked name by Allah.

تَعْبُدُونَ (ta’buduna) is a verb form in Arabic, specifically in the present tense, second person plural. It is derived from the root ع-ب-د (a-b-d), which conveys the concept of servitude, worship, or devotion. In this form, it signifies the act of worship or devotion being performed by the subject.

On the other hand, عبد (abd) is a noun in Arabic that stems from the same root ع-ب-د (a-b-d). It refers to a servant, worshipper, or one who is devoted to a particular entity, often used in the context of religious devotion or servitude to a deity.

In essence, تَعْبُدُونَ (ta’buduna) and عبد (abd) are connected through their shared root, with the former representing the action of worship or devotion and the latter denoting the individual who engages in such acts.

I'm.not here to debate semantics with U.
If Muslims call themselves Abdullah, we would have been hearing it up and down. U are the only one claiming Muslims call themselves Abdullah.
Show me in the Koran where Muslims are called Abdullah.
The whole Koran is filled with slaves of Allah and not Abdullah or worshippers of Allah.
Guy u can't know Koran more than those who translated Arabic to English. If U have a problem, argue with them.
U are not Arabic or linguistics expert either so your opinio don't count.

Instead focus on things U can contribute without necessarily being an expert.

Who's the historical dhul-qarnayn
Explain how historical Jesus called God father when Koran said he didn't.

Finally, was the injil present and with the Christians during the time of Muhammed?

When I say injil, I mean the gospel revealed by Jesus- the true one according to our Muslims brothers.

honesttalk21:
What is the meaning of Abdullahi?

Used in context of servitude to Allah n not as a name.
Muslims don't call themselves Abdullah like we are Abdullah instead slaves of Allah!

That's why I said words have different meanings n interpretation.

So honesttalk has failed to respond to my evidence which is extra biblical historical sources where Jesus or his followers called God father

All evidence brought here are 1st century writings ans some even predate the gospel letters.
That history prove that Jesus called God father presents a very serious problem for the Koran because ISA supposedly in history never called God father.

This is a big historical contradiction in the Koran, one of the many found in it.

The other one is dhul-qarnayn. I will round off on this one soon, waiting for expanse last weak shot.

Then I will discuss the injil in the Koran and the gospel with the Christians. Muslims said they are not the same, that's a very big lie.
The injil and the gospel we have today is the same. I will prove it using the Koran and the hadith.

honesttalk21:
No. In a strict sense.

You should however know that while Abd translates to servant or slave when used as a standalone word. When it is used as a prefix in names, it takes on a different connotation. In this context, “Abd” is combined with one of the names of Allah to form a compound name that signifies servitude or worship to Allah.

Words have different meaning and interpretations.
I've never heard worshippers of Allah, so that's debunked.
I've heard servants of Allah but it's more of slaves of Allah. That shows how the word abd was used during the time of Muhammed and when Koran was compiled.

Expanse2020:
if it is not true as you claimed the Jews who were there that time will call the prophet Muhammad S.A.W. a lier but there was nothing like that🫣

Where did the Jews ask him about the imaginary dhul-qarnayn. Is it not the Koran?
Show me any extra Koranic source that's shows Jews asked Muhammed such questions or the Jews even knew of any dhul-qarnayn.

Both the Jews that asked him the question and the dhul-qarnayn are all fake. No Jew asked Muhammed any question.
All na fabu created by Muhammed.
Muhammed has put all Muslims on one chance bus. Now the painful thing is Muslims must find out who is dhul-qarnayn because qaran is the word of God so it must be true.
I really feel for Muslims, muahamed really did them strong thing.

Expanse2020:
Thank God you said the truth that the Jews came to meet prophet S.A.W. to know is Dhul qarnayn (to test him )and the ayat explain briefly to them what they want to know..

But if you said based on historian
Dhul qarnayn was equate to be two people according to the historian
One is Alexander the Great that historian also said in travel vast across the end of south,east, north and also possessed a cap of this two horn...but some Muslim elders said Alexander does not leave up to 700years so it may not be him
The second one is the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid who marched the historical value possessed such ability..
Allah know best.

Alexander the Great did not reach the end of earth, and never called the name of God or Allah. He was a first class pagan who embraced worship of greek and Persian gods.

Sab dhu Marathid is a fictional character created by ibn Hisham in his book crowns on the kings written in 833AD.
bn Hisham copied the Egyptians traditions of pseudo callisthenes rendition of Alexander the great.
B4 that nobody knew or heard of sab dhu Marathid.
He wasn't a historical figure and there's no known historical record of his existence.

Dhul-qarnayn was copied into the Koran from the Syriac Alexander legend. The legend described Alexander the great built a great barrier, defeated the people of gog and magog and he worshiped God.
This legend was believed in the first millennium AD by all Abrahamic religion and that was how it found it's way into Koran.

By 1800, with archeological discovery and recovery of ancient historical writings. It became apparent the legend wasn't true. Alexander didn't build any wall, there are no people called gog and magog and he didn't even know a God called Elohim existed- moreso he was a staunch polytheist.

This fact alone proved that the Koran is not any revelation from God. It's simply collection of stories heard by Muhammed arranged in a poetic order. That's all.

Expanse2020:
[/b] for get the taboo you want to bring as evidence... showing one man in a mist of thousands of soldiers keep decieving yourself...
Even the one that near us as fa as luggard we know how they treated slavery rather than those accidents ages...

Waste of time. Show me where God told them to use the girls as sex slave. Otherwise I will simply ignore u
God is not Lord Lugard. And btw, Lord Lugard never had a slave..never. U have to dust your history book to cure your ignorance.

Expanse2020:
I only asked you any of the Muhammad companions that divorce a 6years girl...

So are U saying Koran was wrong to prescribe divorce for girls who are yet to menstruate. Is that your point. Are u saying in islam, nobody is allowed to divorce a girl-child. Is that your point?

Expanse2020:
And I had you said there was no child marriage in the bible
At what Age did Mary mother of Jesus begat not even Married
At what age does Rachel begat
Also Rebecca was begat at 3years 3days also in the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaiiiiiiii
Please tell me
3 to 17 years are they not child marriage under the law

Sorry I dont deal with gist. Bring evidence of your tales by moonlight fabricated fabu.
Muslims are so ashamed of the embarrassing acts of their prophet that they needed to see who they will drag to mud with him.
They are desperately looking for who else married an underage girl and mounted her b4 she could menstruate.
Chai, what an eternal shame and stigma for followers of Muhammed.

Expanse2020:
As I told you earlier that those semantic people they give out there ladies out in marriage at early age..if you have doubt wit that consult the bible and historian.
According to Quran verses...the verses is a guidelines ASLO a law rulings to Divorce..that is the mutual agreement to divorce.. atleast you can show us perhaps if prophet divorce a 6years girl..

Muhammed loved his own child bride so didn't divorce her. U have to explain to me what it means to divorce a female who is ye to menstruate. There's no child marriage in my bible so can't help. That it happened in slavery doesn't mean it was right. That's why we have objective morality and guidance.
Except u saying getting married and divorcing a small girl is divine guidance.

Expanse2020:
Note:
If someone is under slavery there is nothing the master cannot do to her..
So don't covered a lie, the west that came to captivate and slave African you can read up what they did to our women both kids and adults and
Imagine the person that said killed the grown women and keep the girls that haven't taste a man for yourself...you don't know the meaning(keep them for what, to be licking their wound Abi)

Naaman kept his own girl-captive for his wife not for himself. The girl became a servant to Naaman's wife. Each individual is left to decide what he wanted to do with the girl slave.

Expanse2020:
According to Islam a girl attained a marriage stage after she saw her first menses(also is a tradition to all semantics people before us be it Arabs, Jews,Armenia, Greek, Hebrew.. they married their ladies at the early age..before teen) example plenty for bible too

Then U have to explain the Koranic verse that says U can divorce a female who is yet to menstruate. We all know girls who are yet to menstruate are preteens. What u saying here contradicts what is written in the koran. Even your antichristian friend admits the verse is true.

for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.1 And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) shocked shocked shocked their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death][] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Expanse2020:
But The case of the Bible Number is different,
So if I were to go by the bible verse Number 31 which said Moses instructed his war men to kill all the sons,men, and women, ladies or girls that have known man or had sex with a man and also instructed them to leave the girls that have not had intimacy with any man but they should keep them for themselves...
First there is no marriage between them but only
Slavery, forceful abduction, rape and child molester/abused can be deduced from that statement. because he doesn't tell them to married them but only keep them for there own selfish purpose and after they had done with them what will happen..they would be on there own..USE AND DUMP...
But in ISLAM if you want marry there some obligation to fulfill before you married and their some obligation to fulfill before a marriage can be cut off..
I Will like to entertain more questions on it, let reason together brother😏

Bring the verse where they had forceful sex with them. Otherwise all u doing is forcing your opinion on the bible.
Bring the verse where God told them they can have them as sex slaves or rape them.
Otherwise the 2 kings 2.5 example is valid and applicable. Na you get dirty mind.

Besides u are yet to tell me who is dhul-qarnayn according to the Jews who asked Muhammed.
Who is he in history? If U ashamed to tell me, should I tell U because I know who the Jews call dhul-qarnayn

honesttalk21:
Very contrary to what you tend towards establishing. I showed you a verse from the Quran 18:1 which contains abd meaning servant not slave and shared other examples from general language in Arabic.

Both Khadim and Abd refer to individuals who dedicate themselves to serving a greater cause or a higher power. While they do differ in terms of the sentiments associated with their meanings, it is crucial to highlight that these differences should not overshadow the underlying unity that exists between them.

My sons have Abd and many muslim brothers are pleased in their names with Abd.

Khadim or servant, is someone who embodies the essence of selflessness and devotion. They offer their services willingly and without hesitation, recognizing the importance of their role in serving others.

Abd , who is a worshipper, focuses primarily on their relationship with a higher power. While they also engage in acts of service, their motivation stems from a deep sense of reverence and devotion to their faith or spirituality. Worshipers recognize their role as humble beings in the presence of something greater than themselves.

Will you serve God and man in the same way and accord same reverence to them? Definitely God should supersede .

Khadim and Abd are essentially two sides of the same coin. While there are differences in sentiments associated with their meanings, these should not overshadow the underlying unity in meaning between them. Both words embody selflessness, devotion, and a commitment to serving a greater cause

Can the word khadim be used for slaves?
That's all I need to know.

honesttalk21:
During early pregnancy, the gravid uterus is typically located within the pelvic cavity. As the pregnancy progresses, the uterus gradually expands and rises out of the pelvis, eventually reaching the abdominal cavity. By the third trimester, the gravid uterus may extend upward toward the rib cage as it continues to accommodate the growing fetus. SirTee15 would you see this as incorrect?

Some pregnant females may experience rib pain or a feeling of fullness under the rib cage as a result of the gravid uterus pushing against these structures.

Furthermore, the growth in size of the uterus may move even more upward and backward, placing additional pressure on the lower back and pelvic region which can lead to an increased lumbar lordosis, which may cause discomfort and back pain for some pregnant individuals.

In a vertical view of the pregnant female anatomy do we say the pelvic region is situated lower than the rib cage? Are your hips lower too? Is it incorrect to say these body locations are under the location of the ribs when a horizontal line is taken perpendicularly?

During a caesarean section why is it better not to go from the rib cage region? Where is the easier point of entry? How quickly does the broken bone heal? Will you put other protected organs like the lungs and heart at risk to bring out the baby? This reasoning you propose is funny. Do some women feel pressure on their rib cage during pregnancy? Why is this? You do not want to accept and are applying tact biological and surgical jargon SirTee15. It's ok. Please see the diagram attached and tell what you will of the position of the Gravid uterus represented relative to the ribs.


TenQ no thanks do you see the logic now?

The gravid uterus apply pressure on every surrounding structures as it expands.
It applies pressure on the stomach that's why pregnant women suffers with indigestion.
It applies pressure on the bladder that's why pregnant women go to trouble to wee frequently.
It applies pressure on the hip, that's why they have hip pain and pelvic dystocia.
It applies pressure on the bowels, that's why the have constipation.
It applies pressure on the diaphragm that's one of the reason pregnant women become breathless easily and do not like lying flat.
It applies pressure on the abdominal wall and skin, isn't that obvious that's why they stretch
It even apple's pressure on the abdominal aorta and. Inferior vena cava- the two big vessels in the abdominal cavity.
So what's so special about the rib and the bacon e then that will give them preference over the others.
Why can't I say the gravid uterus lie btw the abdominal cavity and pelvic floor, am I incorrect for saying that.
And btw, the gravid uterus do not in any way lie in between the rib cage and back bone, that's bad use of medical terminology. It's surrounded or adjacent to these structures is better. Ok

What do U mean by performing CS from the rib cage, to do what exactly. We may as well go through the back since gravis uterus lie on the back bone.
Honesttalk is beginning to talk like an illiterate all in the bid to defend the primitive science of a plagiarized book.
When we perform CS and cut open the uterus. We see surrounding structures like the bladder, peritoneum, abdominal fascia. Sometimes we may visualise the bowels, omentum and stomach. Care is taken not to injure the liver or spleen during the procedure.
Those are the contiguous structures surrounding the uterus not some far away situated rib or back bone.

I will advised u speak to Muslims gynaecologist b4 coming here to copy and paste medical text u don't know anything about.
This is always the problem with health professionals who didn't go to medical schools. That come here forming opinion on what they know nothing about.
Nonsense.

And next time u want a medical doctor to validate your purulent and nonsense Koranic medical theory, call on drLateef, dont call me.
He also believes in the Koranic medical jargons, jargons he dare not open mouth to repeat in front of his colleagues or patients.

And by the way u are yet to tell me why your almighty Koran fails mention the involvement of the ovary in embryology. The second most important organ in fetal formation missing from the almighty medical textbook of the Koran.

U can call on drLateef to help U find it

The Muslim Koran cannot brainwashed does not exist. Those who refuse to be brainwashed are now ex Muslims

honesttalk21:
You are forcing a cervical vertebrae which I never mentioned except in replying your immediate previous.

You don't know enough anatomy or have significant knowledge of obstetrics to address this. It's best you stop displaying ignorance. I at least did some sonographic work and schooling.

Did the picture labelled not show the baby in the uterus under the ribs? You are pathetically lieing about the obvious truth. Too bad you are so so wrong.

When describing structures in anatomy, we use contiguous structure i.e structures directly in contact with the organ.
Now the gravid uterus has no direct contact with the vertebrae or the rib. When we do caesarean section, we dont come in contact with the ribs or vertebrae, we don't see them because they are not contiguous structures. In that's way the gravid uterus is not in between the rib or back bone.
However in the loose sense, we may agree the rib and backbone is adjacent to the gravid uterus but so also is the lungs and the pelvic floor OR the chest and the lower limbs. That's just to broad to make sense.

honesttalk21:
@SirTee15

No responses to these:
Showing how abd is slave and servant contrary to your assertion.




Is the answer undergoing review and certification ?

abd is the common name for slave. Black slaves were called abeed and derogatory term arabs used for blacks is abd. Arab speakers know exactly when to use the word abd. They will never call their dear servants abd but use khadim.
The Koran was clear, modern Muslims are the one not comfortable with the word abd and twisting it to mean servant.
Koran is clear when the word was used to describe Allah-human relationship. U are slaves of Allah.

It makes sense to be fair because God actually own us- we belong to him and bond servants to God. He can decide what to do with us without asking for out opinion and we humans can't do anything about it.

But in the bible, God elevated mankind to son status as a mark of his eternal love for us and his desire to have a deep relationship with us. He actually wants to communicate to us.

I will answer them before they even call to me. While they are still talking about their needs, I will go ahead and answer their prayers!

Above verse doesnt look like a slave-master relationship.

honesttalk21:
Your point SirTee15 is what? That it was written in 50AD or what exactly? Does it reference or rely on a non necessarily history source? Yes of course.

You put up a part of Chapter 9. Does this chapter have anything like Matthew 26:
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.

28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Now concerning the Eucharist, give thanks this way. First, concerning the cup: We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever..
And concerning the broken bread: We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus
Thy Servant

See Jesus referred to as servant

As well as:

Luke 22:
19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.


So please provide a non biblical reliant document for a non biased historical record.
Thank you.

Note your word as I am yet to see your address on Tenq or NairaLTQ's Re: The Qur'an: Cascade Of Lies ALWAYS Fall Like A Pack Of Cards

Didache was written in 50AD. This put it b4 the written gospels. The first one, gospel of Mark was written in 65AD.
In case u dont know, there was oral gospel that was recited by early Christians b4 it was written. So dont think early church writings quoted from the gospel letters when they were writing. No, they simply wrote down the gospel people were reciting.
Anyway I will give u evidence from writings that are not in our gospel letters.
All are excerpts from 1st century Christian writings.
Sophia of Jesus Christ
Didache
Eugnostos the blessed
And then the
The Jewish Mishnah.

Expanse2020:
How did you want me to forget about that when the bible said so..

Dhul-Qarnayn, is Great leader, a warrior mentioned in the Quran those who have dwell on Earth before the prophets

Honesttalk is already dealing with it and really struggling even though is quite an intelligent guy.
Trust me U can't do any better, let him handle it.

Tell me who is dhul-qarnayn in history. Where can we know about him history. Who is he?, where is he from, what's the name of his empire, which people Did he conquer.
Any archeological or historical record outside of the Koran to corroborate he is indeed a mighty warrior.
Why is he called 2 horned man?

That's what I'm interested in, not what's written about him in the Koran which could all be an imagination fabrication of Muhammed.

Remember it was the Jews that asked Muhammed about dhul-qarnayn, so this man must be well known outside the Koran and outside the islamic narrative/source. At least modern day Jews should know about him.

cc honesttalk

AntiChristian:
There's nothing to explain. A woman has no marriage age in Islam. She can be married anytime.

And this is found in your Bible too when Moses and other killed all deflowered women and all men in Numbers 31. Even baby girls were not mentioned to be spared! All non-virgins were kept for themselves after they killed the deflowered women!

You should tell us why your merciful and loving God killed all men and boys even babies and infants!
Killed all deflowered females and spared only undeflowered girls and ladies for themselves!

Is this a mistake from God?

They gave God a share of 32 booty in Numbers 31:40.

Was God given baby girls or matured girls?
Who selected the virgins and how were they selected?

Expanse2020

Show me where the Israelites men had sex with small girls and divorced them. We dealing with facts here.
Nothing in the verse said they married them as teenagers.

A good example is 2 kings 5.2 where Naaman had a young Israelites girl for himself. Did he married her or turned her into a sex slave. Not every tribe have a depraved mindset like the writers of the Koran.

2 Now bands of raiders from Aram had gone out and had taken captive a young girl from Israel, and she served Naaman’s wife. 3 She said to her mistress, “If only my master would see the prophet who is in Samaria! He would cure him of his leprosy.”




Now back to my question. Since there's no age bracket in islam for a girl to get married.
Are u saying it's ok for Qasim to get married to your 8 yr old daughter and after a year divorce her if he's tired of her.
Are u saying it's ok in islam for expanse2020 to get married to a 9 yr old girl and then divorce her 6 monthis later of she's caught in 'adultery'.

Are U saying it's ok in Islam for you antichristian to get married to a 10 yr old girl according to Sharia and then have her punished according to Sharia law if she's caught in adultery- which could be stoning to death.

Are U saying all the above is ok in islam and according to Koran?

Expanse2020:
Jesus is servant of Allah
If the bible said he is a servant of God (Allah)

Forget about the argument re Jesus calling God father. U are too intellectually inept to debate such matter.

Just tell me who is dhu al qarnayn.

Expanse2020:
Which part of Quran is false table it here let enlightening you rather than the lies ur pastor put for brain

I also want you to explain this verse to me Surah 65.4- surah about divorce.
I find it very disturbing. I want to know who put it in the Koran and why.

As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.1 And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death][] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Qasim, antiChristian, ohyoudidn't, honesttalk. I think I should help because I doubt expanse is knowledgeable enough to tackle it.

honesttalk21:
Historical report based on the Bible? Seriously!

The Didache eucharist written 50 AD.

honesttalk21:
You appear to be getting things mixed up. I say this because you tend to seek confirmation of the Bible by the Quran or is it continuation of the Bible in the Quran.

Remember there have been many posts not necessarily by you that the Bible is a compilation of the writings of different authors however variantly inspired by the Holy spirit or God.

The Quran isn't this and perhaps the nearest to a book(s) of several authors like this you find in Islam are the different Hadith.

The The Didache, also known as “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles demonstrates a reliance on biblical reports through its use of direct quotations and allusions to passages from the New Testament. It shows in Chapter 1 an echo of the language of Matthew 7:13-14, which discusses the narrow gate and the broad road.

No need for unnecessary shalaye, U already seen the truth. It's either u reject it or deny it. That's up to U.
Books may lie, Koran or bible may be forged or falsified.
But history is always true because it's the reality that can never be changed.
History confirmed Jesus called God father.

Expanse2020:
Which part of Quran is false table it here let enlightening you rather than the lies ur pastor put for brain

Who's is Dhu al-Qarnayn in your Koran?

Help your friend honesttalk out here, he's been struggling to identify Jesus in the Koran.
Did Jesus in the Koran call God his father? Did he ever tell his disciples to call God father?

honesttalk21:
Pointing out the reason of misunderstanding by Christians in not knowing the context of the phrase child of God.

I think we done here. Ask your islamic scholars or other friends to help u out.
They ve been silent all thru despite me calling them out.
Is Jesus of the bible and the one in the Koran the same person?

Let me answer your other questions. I'm a man of my word.