Interesting debate here, one of the very few debates on this section free of personal attacks and emotional outburst.
Nice work guys!!
Bobbyaf: If you ask any Catholic friends at what point did the now Roman Catholic denomination became universal it would be interesting to hear what is said. The bible predicted the arrival of the false church that would dominate and persecute. Are you Catholics aware that the Roman Catholic organization has fulfilled every iota of Bible prophecy since its official inception?
Daniel 7; Revelation 12,13,17 all spoke of a power that would arise to oppose God's teachings and God's people. Histroy is on our side. It so happens that the RCC fits the characteristics of the prophecies.
This constant argument about the RCC being responsible for the preservation of the bible is debatable, but even if it were it doesn't take away from the truth that God could have still allowed His word to be preserved despite the evil intentions of the opposing body.
I'd be the first to acknowledge that not all the priests and officials in the then Catholic church were evil. The bible says God has His people in all denominations, but they will be exposed to truth and forced to make a decision for truth in its entirety.
The prophecies are as plain as day, and the history to support them couldn't be plainer. In a nutshell let me summarize:
1. Daniel 2 starts with Nebuchadnezzar's dream of an image in 4 metal parts hinting at 4 world kingdoms starting with his own kingdom of babylon to be followed by Media-Persia, Greece, and finally Rome.
2. Daniel 7 repeats the king's vision but the symbols used were 4 beasts namely a 2-winged lion; a lap-sided bear; a 4-winged leopard; and an undescript beast that confused Daniel.
3. This non-descript beast that resembled nothing ever witnessed by humans, including Daniel, represented Rome which was the 4th kingdom to rule the world.
4. Because Daniel 7 was an extension of Daniel 2, God revealed additional information to the prophet concerning the 4th beast Rome. Daniel noted that the 4th beast had 10 horns which in themselves symbolized 10 kingdoms. Daniel also noticed that 3 of those horns were rooted up as an 11th horn grew. Daniel went on to describe this 11th horn that had:
- the eyes of a man - and a mouth speaking blasphemies against God - persecuting power - power to reign and persecute God's people for 3 1/2 symbolic years or 1260 literal years
It is this 11th horn that represents Papal Rome or Vatican which sprang up among the 10 barbarian tribes, or what we now call European nations, as soon as pagan Rome went into demise. History reveals that as soon as the Papacy established itself it used crusades to annhilate from the fac of the earth 3 of the original 10 kingdoms, and these were:
1. the Astrogoths
2. the Heruleans
3. the Vandals
These kingdoms were destroyed because they disagreed with the RCC on the nature of Christ. Once again religion became the dominant force for conflict and bloodshed.
Revelation 12 and 13 are basically reminders of what Daniel previously predicted. In these books similar, as well as additional information is given about the opposing body that comes in the form of a church. The Popes and Pontifs are no different in intentions from the former Roman Caesars. Read it for yourselves:
", superior papal authority and dominion is derived from the law of the Caesars." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #19, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.
Pope Pius IX, in his "Discorsi" (I., p. 253), said: "The Caesar who now addresses you, and to whom alone are obedience and fidelity due."
So the RCC officially began in AD538 and came to a temporary end in AD1798 when Napolean Bonaparte under the revolution brought the church to its knees. Its pope was placed into exile and eventually died. Revelation 13 predicted that one of its head would have been wounded, and it became so in AD 1798, exactly 1260 years according to bible prophecy.
But didn't the prophecy also say that the deadly wound would have been healed? Yes. Italy under Moussilini re-established the RCC, and gave it the vatican city which according to the prophecy would rest on 7 hills. Its all there.
The prophecy goes on to say that this persecuting body in the form of a church will once again dominate not just Europe, but the whole world under a New World Oder that is being worked out as we speak.
Dear bible believers time is not on our side. We need to study God's word and live for Christ. We need to carry the saving grace of Jesus Christ to a dying world for sooner than you think Jesus will come again.
If you want more specifics about the prophecy I will be glad to share more details.
This Prophecy post on the Catholic Church, reminded me of something I came across on youtube a while,
I’ll post the argument for and against and I’d really love opinions on it.
Yeah, that's why they blame everything on the women. . .
It is a woman's fault when her husband cheats on her, It is the girlfriend's fault for him cheating with her. It is the woman's fault if the guy is unsuccesful. It is the woman's fault if he eats outside
Yeep, men are just this brainless, weak human beings who don't know if they are going or coming.
na2day?: women weren't design to win, i thought u were smart
Rotflmao! Oh you poor dear, you also believe that?!!
A'ight, let me share a secret with you. . . come closer, come on, come on. Okay, that's close enough. . . I SAID that's close enough. Sheesh!
Now where was I? Ah yes, the secret *clears throat* Swerri, WE LET YOU WIN.
Lmao! Yes we do. . . no seriously, we know how fragile your egos are so we say, oh what the hey. . . let 'em think they are winning. The last this we want is men having a nervous break down en mass.
na2day?: haba! some things are just meant to be in the bedroom, and frankly some of ur lessons i will learn better with a higher level of understanding in that bedroom, so what do u say?
our feigning innocence and hardheadedness is directly proportional to the fact that we have to deal with u ovularias for the rest of our lives
This is another reason women can’t win!
Wasn’t Ovularia the “Die For my husband kind of wife?” Everything he did was right, everyone else is always at fault and she fought for him every single day, for her the earth revolved around her village headmaster husband. . . This is a bad thing now?
Everybody fancies themselves in love at the slighted thing these days, that's why they are quick to be "heartbroken"
Too much Hollywood movies, that's what I say. . . that and M&B, Harlequin and Regency Novels.
H2O2: 1 Cor 13:4-8 {4} Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. {5} It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. {6} Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. {7} It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. {8} Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
Love is the opposite of Lust Love is not self-seeking while lust seeks its own pleasure. Love is prepared to wait while lust is impatient (for sex) to gratify itself. Love protects the other, lust is only concerned for itself. Love trusts while lust is suspicious. Love gives freedom while lust is possessive Love perseveres in the face of difficulties while lust quickly gives up Love continues until the end while lust fails.
Jesu Christi! Look at the artist presently known as Ethanol quoting Bible fa!
@ Topic I'd be the worst possible Godfather. I'd probably drop her on her head at her christening. I'd forget all her birthdays until she was 18. Then I'd take her out and get her drunk. And, let's face it, quite possibly try and shag her.
na2day?: boy, am i not surprised! it just takes a woman to ,
Hey, not everyone can be as obsessed with Butler's abs as ya know. . .
SeanT21: Beverly Hills Ninja
@Topic
Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.
Forest Gump
@ Topic Back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left.
na2day?: " hey lord of the flame, your tail's on fire"
"You can call me Sid, Lord of the Flame!
Ice Age!!
@ Topic
"I'll be here all week. In fact, I'll be here my entire life. 365 days a year, including Christmas, Hannukah, Halloween, Kwanzaa. Please be sure to never spay or neuter your pets, and tip your cabbie, 'cause he's broke."
sexyLeamon: he and Juhi look good together as well
I agreeeeeee! Aren't they business partners too?
sexyLeamon: I love Devdas eventhough I do not like Aish but she was very good in the film
Glad to see I'm not the only person who doesn't like Ash. Apart from coming off really stand offish both in reel and real life, she reminds me of a cat I DO NOT LIKE CATS with those eyes.
Sammy107_d: Damn, il need to look up a book on "kindling conversations" then. . . because thats as arousing i can get. Apparently I've lost my youthful thrill . I'm freakn 18
you sure do like your parties,
U are quite right; in that both men and women would find your write-ups a lot over-refined. . . they do address some issues. Good to know we still have women with something to offer.
na2day?: if u notice, the wall isn't giving u an inch, u will think common sense will compel u to stop see just accept to marry me and we can end this peacefully
Rotflmao!!! Yeah, I'm really gonna saddle myself with a guy who does not give an inch.