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This man has finished this thing

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

You care about 100%?
So did you make that comment under duress? Gosh!

Romney has come UNDONE, he doesn't even know what to spin anymore.

REALITY101: Bullshit! Is there any other reason why yall are supporting President Obama apart from his skin color? 4 more years of Obama is white house is gonna be disaster.

Like said earlier the moment Obama is reelected, I'm denouncing my citizenship and taking up Chad republic.

This guy have got nothing to offer, fake job creating and unsuccessful health nonsense.

Are you listening to the debate? YOU seem to be making it about SKIN COLOUR. Many people just see Obama as the lesser of two evils and Romney as a liar and inconsistent politricker with no resolves. If Ron Paul was in the race I would quite likely have been supporting him, he makes a lot of sense. So YOU stop making it about skin colour, thinking by saying what you did, you sound progressive

"Get the transcript"

LOOOOL

Obama

Romney is getting quite petty, he is squeezing every second and backtracking too much

Romney has just lost that undecided voter, how petty, LOOOOOL.

Obama is delivering. He has blown open that tax cut argument and made Romney's plan look populist without substance

One thing Obama is doing well, making Romney look inconsistent and like a liar

chrisolive: My friend! That the governor who is a lawyer and a politician did not consult anyone before submitting the list of his political friend does not mean that Enugu does not have capable hands.

That is not the point! Anyway, this is speculation so far, we will judge the nominee when announced based on his CV.

It is like all power projects are coming online next year. Well, next year is just round the corner, and 2013 is either going to be quite progressive or terribly disappointing. Whatever the case, at least states now have the authority to generate power exclusively for their own use as granted by NERC, so some people need to start asking their state govenors what they are doing as well. If Nnaji's company can deliver power in Aba, good for him and good for them.

The picture is incomplete. A NASS that is focused and assertive in its duties? Yes. A NASS that is more assertive just for the sake of it? No. The reason being, Nigerians don't pay much attention to NASS elections and the campaigning that goes into that. I bet you most Nigerians don't even know what their rep or senator stands for or supports. Hence what you have there are a significant number of questionable characters who went into politics for heaven knows why. We don't want gridlock for the sake of it, and it is silly to mention fuel subsidy probe without mentioning Lawan and the role the house played. What a stellar job they did holding the executive to account. Has Lawan's "suspension" been lifted yet? Bunch of jokers. .

favouryemmy: Our founding fathers in this country were very selfless people. They were working for the betterment of their people and not themselves. They understood that leadership is a trust and not an opportunity to enrich oneself. They never, through deprivation enslaved the people that they took oaths to protect and fight for. They had great visions for the country Nigeria, but it seems like that vision have not been carried on over the years but successive leaderships. Hence, where we find ourselves today. You will agree with me that, the problems Nigeria has today as a result of an accumlation of bad leadership.
I believe you all remember the 'Animal farm': how their foremost leader taught them that 'all animals are equal'. However, when the old pig died, some other ones rose up and changed the rule that 'all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others'. How does the above statement relate to what has been happening in Nigeria.
I heard someone say sometime ago, that he is tired of this country because of the constant tragedies in the news and is seeking a divorce. Another one was seeking someone that will come and buy him out of Nigeria. But should it be so?! Is it not possible for Nigeria to be greta again?
My intention is for us to find a way out of this present quagmire. Please contribute constructively to this thread and lets do our best to move Nigeria forward.

O boy your post is such a contradiction it is funny. I would advice you to do a bit more research on the 'founding fathers'. They were power hungry sectional racists who never had the interest of Nigeria as a country in mind. in fact, they set the tone for the rubbish we have today.

Blazay: Don't mind them. . . . When 'kasala' burst. . . all the noise-makers will be no where to be found. Who do they expect to die for their useless azzzes?
Funny enough, I was discussing with one TOP politician yesterday. . . and I asked him if Nigeria will break up. . .?
He took a deep breath and replied: "I am not sure. . . . but if Jonathan goes for re-selection, Nigeria will definitely break up."
Hmmmm! I just smiled to my self and thought: We are in deep trouble. . . . DEEEEEEEEEEEP TROUBLE.

If Jonathan vying for a second term (which he constitutionally is entitled to) is enough to break the nation then Nigeria does not deserve to exist. The country does not belong to any one set of people and it is that arrogance that has been the cause of division. There are over hundred ethnic groups in the country, if anybody wants only people from their ethnic group to have the audacity to vie for office they should put that in the constitution or go form their own country, it really is that simple. But that arrogance won't do anymore, no one is anybody's slave in their own country, we are all humans. It is such leaders that set the tone of racism for their blind followers to adopt.

[quote author=_babyshaQ]I'm from the niger delta but I never wanted GEJ to become the president of Nigeria for the sole reason that he showed his incompetence as acting president. In my own little way, I tried to make people around me see reason but even my parents were, in my view at that time, blind to see.
Lately, due to the unfoetunate turn of events in our pretentious nation, I realised my parents were right & I was the blind person all along.
I don't like our president because he showed no intention even as acting president to tackle nigeria's only problem, corruption. For that reason, I saw buhari as the best candidate. I could go on about the northeners but I'm using my phone so I'll just stop here.
You claim the racist nigerians- I like the term racist because u are reasonable enough to know that it has nothing to do with skin colour- are the minority or racism is spurd on by a minority. The simple question I'll ask you about this racism issue is: pls name a tribe in nigeria that does not have a derogatory term for another tribesman in their language.
These so called founders didn't invent the language. Nigeria is soo complex that even when the whole world sees so many things wrong about a person you'll still see a large bunch of people-definitely not a minority- supporting cruelty of the same person.
I have friends of different tribes, I don't hate them & I'm still open to new friends but I'll say something about the hausa/fulani muslims, there are just a few sensible ones who won't hate & call for the maiming of a non-muslim.
These same northerners are willing to support another abacha or an hausa/fulani hitler even if the rest of the country is burning. How many of them spoke against abacha?? they're actually making me like goodluck even more, they've bin at the helm of affairs ever since & they're crying foul for a regime that's just bately two years old.[/quote]I appreciate what you have said but I think it paints a rather incomplete picture. Majority of Nigerians still live in rural areas, not cities. Hence pre independence people did not mix anywhere as much as they mix today, so how would people in a small village at some remote part of say the middle belt have had names for somebody from some remote village in the Niger Delta when they did not meet? I propose to you that racism is not something that developed over centuries between the groups in Nigeria to the level it currently is at. It rapidly progressed around independence when the 'educated' elite took over the helm of affairs in the country throughput the civil service. The racist tendencies of the founding fathers set the tone, the civil service propagated it. If the average northerner hates you (which I am not claiming he does or doesn't), it is partly because of this narrative passed down by their leadership since independence.

[quote author=_babyshaQ]So people still gather for meetings in BAUCHI?. I used to be an 'untribalistic' nigerian until recently. How is it that these northern 'elders' only issue public statements over the tribe that rules, who's eligible for contesting elections, whose turn it is to be reclaimed & what not?. Arrrrgggghhh!! It just shows their insensitive, sordid & brazen disregard for human lives.
In a region where lives are continually lost incessantly. How wicked could these abokis be?? If they kill everybody who are they going to be in charge of? (My bad, the real question is what will they be in charge of?).
Just the other day, another idiot, a vice chancellor at that, was talking about 2015 elections. These fools never speak up against any massacre in their region. They're gradually but effectively scaring every non-muslim away from the region.
At this point, I think 'nigeria' is beyond redemption. I'm soo not a nigerian rather I'm from a tribe somewhere in the niger delta, Kalabari, & until we disintegrate into nations of single tribes, the only progress we'll make is increasing the magnitude of regression from civilization & democracy. Pity I used to like Buhari. Smh[/quote]There is something I want you to consider, and that is that a great deal of racism in Nigeria is driven and spurred on by a very tiny population, a small group of men. Sometimes follow-follow can be self destructive. Take it all the way back to independence. Pretty much ALL the so called founding fathers WERE racist, Sardauna's own was the most open. Somehow, because of the way Nigerians tend to follow their leaders, many people took on the views and opinions of the people leading them and it continues to this day.

The North has its issues and only a fool will deny that. But next time you openly claim to be 'tribalistic' or however you put it, try and put a human face behind such a statement, like a friend you might know from the region, etc. Just so that you understand that what you are pretty much saying is you hate them because they happened to be born from a particular part of the country. You don't have to become what you seem to despise.

You are free to habour whatever views you want on independence, unity, secession, etc. I am just challenging you on this particular one.

expertman: A group within the Peoples Democratic Party, the Afenifere Independent Group, on Sunday urged Nigerians to move beyond the current controversy about the 1967-1970 Civil War and build a new nation.

In a statement by a former Deputy Governor of Lagos State, Alhaji Rafiu Jafojo, the AIG said it was worried that 40 years after the civil war, a large number of Nigerians still engaged in bitter reminiscence instead of letting old wound heal.

The AIG said, “The ongoing war of words over comments made by Prof Chinua Achebe in his latest book, ‘There was a Country’ against the late Chief Obafemi Awolowo that the sage intended to exterminate the Igbo race, is not helpful in the course of nation building and likely to cause a setback in the healing process and overcoming the trauma of civil war.

“The counter remarks from the Yoruba people and their leaders show how fragile our unity is and we must not continue to take for granted the unity of the country.

“Presently the Federal Government is being attacked on many fronts such as the Boko Haram in the North. Flood is ravaging most part of the country. The West is alleging marginalisation in President Goodluck Jonathan administration. And also, there is a massive outcry against the brutal killings of students in UNIPORT and in Mubi and series of kidnapping going on in the country.

“The Federal Government has a lot on its neck and does not need additional problems like the one Achebe is causing with his comments.

“The comment could cause disaffection among the populace and re-ignite the long forgotten divisive tendencies. Nigerian should ignore such controversy.”

The group also urged Jonathan to address the issues affecting the Yoruba people interest in the country.

It said it appeared that there was a systematic relegation of the people of the South-West from the central governance, urging the president to address it to avoid a setback to the gains that had been achieved in nation building.

“The recent appointments of the Service Chiefs overlook people from South-West. We also learnt that the ongoing re-structuring in the aviation industry is intended to scheme out the South-West.

“Leaders of the zone have met with the president to seek redress. But its response and actions has been lacklustre,” the AIG said.

This is one thing I don't like about this nation. What healing process are these people talking about? It is like they can't understand that it is in the absence of a national discourse on the issue and dealing with the issues of that era that side talks have gained prominence. Some people say natur abhors a vacuum and in this particular situation such is the case. Ostriching has never solved any of our problems.

And then to follow such with talks of marginalisation is simply laughable. There are over 150 million people in Nigeria, the three main ethnic groups only account for about sixty percent of the population. Any talk of marginalisation without consideration of the merit of who is appointed DOES NOT help the Unity of the country (and is a tad insensitive). Unless you can provide proof that ongoing restructuring in the aviation industry is INTENDED to scheme out a region just shut up because such calls DO NOT help unity. If people are invested in Nigeria then such people need to start seeing the country as a whole system, not just one starting and ending at the boundaries of whatever region or state they come from. Federal character is NOT something we should be trying to entrench. If you are attacking attack it should be based on incompetence, or else you just look like a group of people vying for political appointments.

[quote author=Malcolm-X]What position was challenged?

I asserted that it's easier to rule Nigeria than Lagos and alluded to electricity, good roads, and providing amenities are what Nigerians need. And that's more feasible than making an impact in a place as chaotic as Lagos.

You started the GEJ custom waivers and agricultural policies talk, not me. And how Nigeria doesn't have enough money to generate electricity - when a city as small as Queensland generates more electricity than Nigeria, despite our huge oil revenue.[/quote]You know what? The thread hasn't magically disappeared, it is still here. Everything written is up there. It was definitely an experience, like the first time I tried to have a discussion with the then Nigeria1, before I knew he had a problem.

In summary, you said governing Lagos was easier than being president of Nigeria and I called you out on that saying they were not the same thing. And with all the simplistic logic you attributed to governance, i challenged you on them and you could not defend pretty much any of them. I think I will leave it at that since it is all on the thread. Good night.

Eko Ile: All of a sudden, you can not be bothered, but was it not you that bothered yourself with the same baseless, pointless and silly rubbish NL rif rafs spew all the time. I though you are capable of doing what they are not capable of doing which is basically to support their Tinubu fixations with facts and common sense, but faltered. You are just like the rest of them.

Please don't thank me for anything, just speak with common sense next time.

I have answered you, that is why I can't be bothered going on in circles. Whatever makes you happy, this won't be your first time being rude, I just wonder why I did not trust my initial instincts and ignore you from the get go to begin with. But whatever, done is done, my position is left on the thread and I stand by it. Have a nice evening, I am sure you are more civil to people you know personally. Good night.

[quote author=Malcolm-X]I need to go back to my Malcom X book.

Godfatherism and Democracy is like yin yang, they support each other. Fashola without Tinubu is like bread without butter, if you want Fashola, you can't deny Tinubu.

However, Fashola still remains the best Nigeria has to offer - no one is close![/quote]Keep telling yourself that and failing to see the paradox, hoping the more you say it the more attractive an ideal it becomes. Good night, this was kind of a waste of my time

[quote author=Malcolm-X]Sorry sir, she/he deviated the topic to GEJ and the federal government; and how it's difficult to rule Nigeria. I was just countering his/her points.[/quote]Show me where I deviated to make Jonathan the focus please. You are something else. The fact that I do not make callous statements to sound progressive and that I can objectively appreciate that things are not always as straight forward as you would like to make them has nothing to do with Jonathan. The sad thing is that each time your position was challenged you faltered. You went on about how you would ride in on your hero horse and change everything after a couple of us told you it is more important to change the system. You insisted with your hammer to kill a fly approach of building different wonders across the land with phantom money, your position was challenged and you could not defend it, so what are you now talking about?

Eko Ile: You did not answer anything and if you did, please show me.

That's even irrelevant and your concerns are still bogus and baseless because common sense dictates that before expressing concerns for what you think could happen in the future based on what you insinuated happened already and still can not prove or come up with, you must site examples or instances to justify your futuristic concerns.


It's pointless unless you've managed to show us how Tinubu prevented fashola from building hospitals, roads, bridges, 15 water works, 17 skill acquisition centers, power projects, metro rail, water transportation, schools, best waste management and best emergency management agencies in west Africa?


It's even ridiculous that the man is yet to say anything about his political ambition after his current job, but you are here wringing fingers and crying about Tinubu influencing President FASHOLA.

We have tons of serious and pressing concerns in Nigeria to worry about and your Tinubu fixation is not one of them...

Thank you for your concern. Please move on, I can't be bothered.

[quote author=Malcolm-X]America didn't invent democracy but they invented the presidential system of government. Nigeria copied the American system - and they have to be the benchmark, that's all.

Can you provide any democratic country without godfatherism?


PPA(P) = Public Private Partnership. Why can't the federal government use the same initiative to generate funds? What's stopping him from using the same approach? He has been there for 2 years, yet he has done absolutely nothing. However, you want to critique someone who keeps commissioning projects after projects, under the watch of his godfather.



Nigerians have been paying for electricity for eons. And those who don't pay have a reason for not paying - why pay for a service not rendered? What's wrong with subsidy, anyway? If the government can't provide any welfare programmes for the people, it should subsidize the rubbish services it renders to the people. America is the most capitalist country in the world, yet it subsidizes agriculture and it also has many welfare programmes for its people. What do we do with all the oil money, anyway?



The question should be, how are we going to attract investors with high crime rate, bad roads, and unstable power supply? You have to make the environment conducive attractive for investors - not custom waivers and agricultural policies.

Fashola still remains the best man for the job - no one is close. And GEJ is an epic failure.[/quote]Once again, you have dodged all arguments raised to come back to me to ask side questions that are neither here nor there. You really want me to give you examples of countries were 'godfatherism does not exist' as a means of proving a point that godfatherism is not an ideal to aim for? This is indeed futile and I am almost tempted to drop some names of countries but there is no point because we will continue going round and round without you addressing the issue.

Now to come back to your PPP idea which almost every governor I know of in the south has played with to different degrees. So you want to build all these power plants and hospitals and roads and schools in all states twice over in two years mainly through PPP. Okay, let us go with that. How long did it take for Fashola to get investors for many of the projects (like the light rail), if it was that straightforward why hasn't Lagos got 24hours power supply now by just throwing in a couple of those magic PPP 1000MW power projects for good measure? How are investors going to recupperate their money when not all projects are high yields (e.g. schools)? Are we going to toll all the roads?

Nigerians have been paying for 'eons' into a corrupt and uselessly run government system that never used the money to invest in power. Wake up to that fact and deal with it. So now what is the way forward? Do we keep holding the grudge and say we won't pay anymore when we actually need to pay to keep the business viable for investors to come in and invest? America has different welfare programmes, but then again, America has the biggest economy in the world and Nigeria is not even close. And what do we do with all the oil money we have anyway? What on earth are we going to use to run all these your amazing PPP projects and all these goodies you want if we spend all the little money we have on subsidies?

Certain custom waivers mean certain goods are CHEAPER to import and hence businesses have an extra incentive for importing them. This means when applied to things like equipment for power generation or agriculture, the private sector which drives growth in pretty much ALL developed economies (and not government) has an added incentive for investing in such equipments which can be used to improve our power and agricultural infrastructure. That was an example of using policies to create a little part of that enabling environment you go on about.

And your last sentence is disappointing, because it shows that for you this was all about GEJ bashing all along, when the focus was on a completely different matter. Where was anybody on this thread even comparing GEJ and Fashola?

That is why when people say things like = 'if I was president I would build this, I would build that (in 2 years)' I just laugh. They don't seem to get it. We DO NOT have the money, we are not China. We need to be more clever with the money we have and work on structural reforms of the nation that will use resources more efficiently, make environemt business friendly, grow innovation and nurture entrepreneurs and enterprise, COLLECT tax, etc. All of these things are not as glamorous sounding as I will build Skyscraper, I will build hospital, I will build school, i will build power (all twice over in every state at the same time), but they are the necessary frame work and foundations on which growth is built.

aribisala0: The oil is not without cost you know.
It costs a lot of money to bring it out of the ground. It is a business and what you have stated is one side of the equation Gross Oil Revenue quite a different thing for Net profit which is shared with the Oil company 80/20 onshore and almost 50/50 offshore because of the higher production costthey tell us. A huge amount of our oil is now off shore

Revenue -Expenses = Proit

Expenses like worrkers salaries,security costs,exploration expenses etc and The oil companies must take their share of the profit. As we know Nigeria never pays their share of the expenses and the oil companies pay it all charging interest naturally.
I think Nigeria will do well to see 40% of that figure

Leave him, let him keep doing 'times 365' and showing figure then asking where the money is

[quote author=Malcolm-X]Money from crude oil export:

Brent crude = $114.67 per barrel

Nigeria exports = approx. 2.5million barrels a day.

A year = 2.5 x 365 = 912.5million barrels annually

912.5 x 114.67 = $105billion

Where do they keep this money?[/quote]Forget that oil prices DO NOT stay the same over time and all the other factors ignored, but why do you keep dodging the question? Simply get out our budget for the year, look at all you have said you will do and begin to tell us how you will do it. Hopefully you will see that: "no be for mouth". I have asked you the same question over and over again. I don't even think I need to repeat myself, just keep referring to my previous posts till you get it.

Eko Ile: When was the last time or any time Tinubu prevented fashola from doing all the things people all over Nigeria and the world are praising him for. Did Tinubu prevented fashola from building hospitals, roads, bridges, 15 water works, 17 skill acquisition centers, power projects, metro rail, water transportation, schools, best waste management and best emergency management agencies in west Africa? what exactly did Tinubu prevented him from doing other than picking the best man for the job to be the governor of Lagos state and lay good foundation for fashola to follow.?


Your concerns are bogus and illegitimate and until you are able to answer the above question you conveniently ignored, they remain bogus and illegitimate. With or without Tinubu, Lagos is not only progressing, it's the envy of many in and outside Nigeria and if it is or not because of the former governor of Lagos state, who cares?

Lagos is a state of mind and belief system hence the most stable and visionary administration in Nigeria. They don't sit around and get silly like they do in other states, they deliberate and do what's best for Lagos state no matter the argument or disagreement. Lagos is more than Fashola and Tinubu. There are other folks underneath standing catching Fashola's back. The former governors like Jakande and Mobolaji Johnson are still very active when it comes to Lagos state, the Oba of Lagos is ever present and siting next to Fashola during many state functions. These are good and capable folks who like many Lagosians are very proud of their state.

The metro rail we are praising Fashola for today was initiated and started back in the 70's under Jakande's administration, but it was sabotaged for tribal and regional reasons.. but decades later, another governor is set and determined to see it through by any means necessary? Good leadership is nothing new to Lagos state and we don't abandon projects for any reason, we continue and see everything trough.

This is the problem with many of you, you know nothing about Lagos state and Lagosians, you don't know what makes them tick. You here Eko o ni baje o and you think it's just a slogan. It's a state of mind, a consciousness and awareness that Lagos is more than any man therefore must never spoil. It's a task and burden on every Lagosian to always think about Lagos and it's well being. This is the patriotic spirit that many states in Nigeria lack.

You can preoccupy yourself with Tinubu all you want, but Lagos is moving on.

If Lagos is moving on then good for Lagos and good for Nigeria. The way you trumpet it as if I am secretly praying it was otherwise is what I find childish. I have already answered the question you accused me of skipping by explaining to you that if we are talking of Nigerian presidency (WHICH WE ARE), then it is not about what Tinubu has ever witheld or not witheld from Lagos because such is irrelevant. I would like to know what influence (if any) Tinubu would have on the supposed president and I see that as a legitimate concern. Imagine if it was Obama and Americans had to worry about a well known and arguably divisive figure in the background being able to influence the actions of the president for whatever reason, that wouldn't be legitimate? It is this insistence that any thought of such things is not valid that I find utterly disingenious.

If Tinubu happened to work for Lagos this time then thank God for that and good for Lagos, I still don't think it is the ideal to aim for. If that is your ideal then good for you, but it is not mine. I am more interested in entrenching more democratic ideals.

[quote author=Malcolm-X]If you think the American system of government is flawed and corrupt, then our system of government is the same. A tree doesn't grow far from its root. However, we practise their system of government and our constitution is almost like a plagiarized copy of their constitution. And as long as we practise the presidential system of government, America will always be the benchmark.



That's in DEVELOPED COUNTRIES without the necessary 'intangibles' to generate electricity - we've got the natural gas needed to generate power. The 10MW Island Power Project was built at a cheaper rate than that.

You keep asking with which money, no? With the same money Lagos state has been generating through PPA to fund projects in Lagos. Maybe, GEJ needs to ask Fashola how he generates money. And that obviously makes Fashola the best presidential material in the present set-up - since he's the only one who has the formula to generate money.



You keep basking on 'welfarism', when I haven't mentioned any welfarist policies.

Road users pay tax and they deserve good roads.

Nigerians pay for electricity and they deserve stable power supply.

What's welfarist about those policies?[/quote]This is about democracy. America is not the ONLY country that runs a presidmential system. You have decided to use them as the benchmark just to make a point when there are better and more democratic examples out there, and honestly, I think that is a tad tacky because it is like you are having this argument JUST for the sake of it and hence a waste of my time to be frank. America DID NOT invent democracy after all.

I think you might need to do a bit more research on power in general and cost of generating. And by the way, what is PPA? That might give you answers as to how it is funded.

Nigerians till recently DID NOT pay for electricity in general, just like they DO NOT pay the market price for fuel. Until billing methods were altered, people who actualy paid for their electricity paid subsidised fees that were not profitably sustainable to attract investors to run a business on. So for government to actually invite private sector to get involved (your so called PPA you tout so boldly), they needed to make it an actual worthwhile investment which they did. Government susbsidising things like power and fuel IS welfarist, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if you can afford it (which we can't).

But I would like to pin you down on all these your wonderful promises of power, roads, hospitals, schools et. al, twice over in each state that would touch the lives of all Nigerians in two years. Again please, are these all going to be Publi Private initiatives (even the schools)? Where would you source all the funds from to contribute your part or how are you going to get all these investors in to do ALL of this and put up ALL this money? What do they get in return?

dayokanu: Do you think without OBJ, what would have stopped a Atiku/Odili ticket?

Wasnt it OBJ who imposed a relatively clean YarAdua and Jonathan over the obvious Atiku ?

So why couldn't OBJ impose a performer? People are quick to thank father christmas for not allowing Atiku and Odilli, but they will not see anything wrong with him imposing a man whose "seven point agenda" I still can't get out of my head. And what if he had allowed or even imposed Atiku and Odilli, then what? Really, then what? If he was fighting northern godfatherism why then still go with a northerner who was happy to stand by rigged elections after admitting the process was flawed?

The thing with raising up godfatherism as the ideal is, you rely completely on the good will of the dictator/godfather you hold up. It is not an ideal to ASPIRE to. The fact that we have survived through that past does not mean it is a goal we should STUPIDLY keep running to. We should be working towards entrenching equity and democratic ideals, not coming up with arguments like - 'we need godfathers'. I mean, if you are going to aim the bar that low then we might as well just give up and call in the military.

[quote author=Malcolm-X]Without OBJ would GEJ smell the presidential seat? Just be honest.

That's godfatherism.[/quote]What has that got to do with performance? This is like that Delta state thread where people were bragging about which godfather was better, it is silly.

If we glorify godfatherism we might as well glorify dictatorships because they are bedfellows. Anytime Nigerians are in a pickle they start praying that the military takes over in hopes we have a "nice" dictator who would chase all the baddies away. Ok, what if we don't have a "nice", then what? We just stay screwed? What if these cool "godfathers" decide to "choose" wrongly for us? Are we all sustaining hope on some romanticised bunch of chivalrous old men who do fatherchristmas and touch 'worthy' candidates with their magic wands of patriotic love, sending them to all corners of the nation to ,spread the good works? So nowhere in this Santa Claus s,tory do we factor in personaly interests, business interests, greed, corruption, etc right? LAUGHABLE

Ikengawo: Anyone that doesn't think OBJ fought northern godfatherism is a fool.

Kindly be specific and counter issues raised or just keep walking. Saying people who don't agree with you are fools without presenting a solid counter argument does not help your case or make you sound street smart and knowing.