₦airaland Forum

Dannyset:
I will forgive you if you can prove to me that ur just coming to Nigeria.
What happened in Ekiti(the use of military) was nothing to ur reasoning. Or you don't know it was GEJ's plot? Did you see what happened to Sanusi when he was about to be crowned Emir? Where he was intimidated by Police and the govt house locked so as to prevent him from becoming the Emir. Oh! you were dozing when Tambuwal was openly teargassed and the then IG refused to identify him as the Speaker, all because GEJ don't want him?
See, you guys are modern hypocrites, and you must live with this intimidation for some times. So that you can know that nobody has the monopoly of power and position.

They just think everyone is as delluded or drunk on selective amnesia as they are, they really are a silly bunch that no one really takes seriously. Imagine PDP calling Buhari's 5 month old government divisive? Which government has been more divisive than Jonathan's in this current republic, or been more corrupt or exercised mnore impunity?

NewNigeriaMind:
I studied finance in school and I am a consultant right now working as a financial consultant to a bank.

The catch in every economic theory is how you measure policy performance vis-à-vis impact on the people living standard.

What we should be celebrating is not Nigeria having a bigger economy on paper in which the bulk of the wealth is stored away in politicians offshore accounts, rather how has the big economy lead to improvement in the life of an AVERAGE NIGERIAN.

This country may not have the biggest economy but the wealth of the country can actually been seen as an improvement in the people living condition.

Now you are talking about something completely different. I think you now see that you were wrong in your first stance, just accept it and move on.

Rossikk:
The only reason South Africa are more advanced than any country in Africa is that the colonialists who seized the country in the 19th century RE-INVESTED the proceeds from their export trade BACK into the country. This they did because they saw themselves as permanent settlers there. In other colonies like Nigeria, Congo, Ghana, Sierra Leone etc, the colonialists simply evacuated resources and SIPHONED the proceeds to their home countries to enrich their own nations. Thus by the 1940s South Africa was already a developed country with top notch infrastructure, countless universities, a manufacturing industry, and a large middle class. Nigeria as late as 1960 had not one single expressway, not one university, and not one major hospital. Same applied to the other colonies.

Therefore South Africa had a HEAD-START of over 100 yrs plus, over other African nations. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON WE ARE PLAYING CATCH-UP TODAY.

I would say we are playing catch up mainly because of bad leadership and poor governance. Colonialism is not to be blamed for everything. In a global sense Nigeria was not the only country that gained independence around that time and left with little to no infrastructure. What is our excuse against the east asian countries? Nigeria was not as heavily affected by the first and second world wars. Other countries had their cities destroyed and rebuilt them, so no I don't always buy into or agree with the "we are not as developed today because of colonialism" no matter how significant a role it has played in the history of the country.

BOWOTO:
You gotta give it to South Africa , they have done well.

Not disagreeing, but saying their infrastructural development is on par with Europe is silly. Even America is not up to Europe when it comes to certain infrastructure (public trasnport being one).

Episteme2:
How does it pay the masses? I pity Nigeria. She's going beyond redeem without knowing. Never in the history of Nigeria have I seen such an uninformed, foolhardy, desperate, crude, divisive and insensitive government whose preoccupation is intimidation and enthronement of one-party system in Nigeria.

You must be high on crack. The part in bold aptly describes the last PDP government of Jonathan and the ones before it. Which party coined the phrase "do or die" in regards to election? Keep on with your deranged selective amnesia.

PDP needs to be replaced as the opposition party, they do not have the intellect for opposition. A party tried to rig presidential election and still lost; brazenly and violently rigged state gubernatorial elections and won temporary victory that has now been overturned, and has the audacity to attempt to make their loss about anything other than a correction of brazen impunity. Nigeria is so messed up that is why such public nuisance is being tolerated, if not what we really should be discussing here is pressing of criminal charges for electoral malpractice. Shameless and useless party that runied the country and wasted opportunities for 16 good years. 16!!

The real shame is that more of them are not in jail!

iterator24:
more pictures of nigeria [abj] for the dunce that just discovered paved roads today after leaving ajegunle straight to SA

I see what you're trying to do but it really isn't necessary. South African cities have better infrastructure than Nigerian ones, there is no need even arguing it, it is just the fact, patriotism doesn't mean one has to be blind to the truth. And please, Nigerians need to stop defining infrastructure with pictures of people's big houses and the same roads seen over and over again, it is embarassing.

BOWOTO:
You should use Google more.

Yes, that explains everything.

Ballmer:
I have repeatedly stated this as well most especially when I see Nigerians talk down on South Africa.

If South Africa should stop developing today Nigeria with the rate n governs we have will not catch in a thousand year.

OP you claim you have been to Europe please name a country that is more beautiful than the places you visited in South Africa.

I bet to say there is none. South Africa is country where tarred roads are built to doors of each houses unlike Nigeria that is struggling to build n maintain highways.

I told someone dem no de park shit for SA, the drainage don't smell, you can't even see any. Sewage system is already in place.

OP if you are in doubt of any country in Europe being more beautiful visit Cape Town, water front especially to dispel such believes.

I have never been to the USA but no country in Europe is beta developed than SA. They have function speed training running from Pretoria to Jo'burg, they have the normal rail.

The airport not so pretty but none can be compared to it in Nigeria in terms of efficiency. Nigerians make una listen n listen good South Africa n Nigeria no be mate n would never be not in this life except the White do us the favour they did to them.

50 billion Fashola and Akpabios join together can not turn Nigeria to South Africa if they are given a million year. We are talking about your ever beat performing governor.

If any Nigeria care to now every / any where in Capetown is as neat as any Nigeria sitting or living room and am talking about outdoors roads. You'd driving through out the length n breath of South country without a single pothole that is as big as the size of an iPad. I never saw one n believe that is the worse you can ever come across.

I have driven with friends from Pretoria to Durban no one pothole about 4 hrs drive, frim Brakenville to Cape Town not a single pith hole, from Jo'burg to Pretoria etc

In regards to the part in bold, with all due respect to you, you don't know what you're talking about. SA infrastructure is much better than Nigeria true, but not Europe, to even suggest that sounds ignorant. Take just rail as an example. . . . I don't want to get into this on this thread but do your research. And also explore out of Jo,Burg. It is such a silly statement to make.

I don't doubt that Nigeria has a bigger economy than South Africa, and the economy is highly hindered from growing even faster due to poor infrastructure. Economy isn't just about infrastructure (even though this helps immensely), but population also plays a role. Nigeria has the population (market) and the natural and human resources going for it. Is there room for improvement, yes. And just for clarification, Nigeria didn't just overtake SA economy a couple of years ago, it was bigger before then but not fully evaluated, do you know how big the country's informal economy is?

kingdompropty:
When I hear people say forget Biafra I laugh, because this is just another shot at what the Ndigbo believe.

As long as what you're fighting for is a referendum for the people to decide. No one or small group of people should assume to speak for a whole region, take it to a referendum if need be, that is what developed societies do.

Mr 'Talks a lot of nonsense' is talking out of insecurity because he's worried his own turn might be coming, you think people have forgotten about "Ekiti-Gate" and Obanikoro and all that? This has NOTHING to do with APC or PDP, and only vacuous minds do not understand. This is a fight against brazen impunity. In which developed country would all this nonsense have been tolerated?

melvinjames:
So you don't make the same mistake somewhere else, I posted the meaning of straw poll, have a great day.

So you don't make similar mistake in future as well, go and learn how to draw conclusions. Go and also learn about straw polls conducted and the difference between "I took a straw poll" (figurative), and "there was a straw poll" (implies some use of statistics). The only conclusion to draw from your "straw poll" was - Majority of the "celebratory" posts that caught my attention when I looked at (name inserted here)'s twitter handle, were from people who had Northern and Yoruba sounding names. Note - This is not the same as saying: "Those celebrating Wike's removal are mostly from the southwest and the north". I hope I have been able to educate (for future purposes). Have a good evening.

melvinjames:
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You're clutching at straws, you were accusing me of After explaining what straw polls are, you're now accusing me of picking comments I didn't like. Am done with having any meaning discussion with you, it serves no purpose.
Bye

It serves no purpose because you don't know what you're talking about. Have a good evening.

melvinjames:
There is what you call a straw poll in the absence of a real and conventional poll. Stop parading as Mr Know-it-all, you just exhibited crass ignorance for not knowing straw polls exist for a reason.

You are the one being ignorant. Go and read about straw polls are conducting them and come back so we can have a discussion about why you don't know what you're are talking about. You going on twitter of whatever account, picking out comments you didn't like and telling us the majority of the people celebrating Wike's removal are from the SouthWest and North, does NOT constitute a straw poll. And the fact that you are willing to continue in such reasoning really is embarassing. Straw polls are still based on statistics, and sorry to say but your feelings are not a veritable substitute for sampling size and methodology.

mikolo80:
why should they expunge anything. the ppl want thugs in power, it's you the minority that wants a sane leader
guess what this is a majoritocracy
not a minoritocracy
I know it's sad but when the white man said we were not ripe for independence we scoffed at him
Now we're here between rocks and hard places

No one is saying don't have a thug and idiot rule over you, I am just saying let that thug be elected in a free and fair election where people are not shot at and slaughtered like sheep for not supporting that thug. We should introduce jail term for electoral riggers, this nonsense needs to stop. That Rivers INEC lady needs to be jailed, the thing was overkill.

melvinjames:
Did you even read my post? Where in my post did I assume the above, you have a warped sense of reasoning. I indicated in my post that those celebrating were from the SW and the North, if I can't use their twitter name as a determining factor, pray tell me the prefered convention to follow, am all ears.

The fact that you are using twitter and names of people on twitter as a deterministic factor in your proposal that people mostly celebrating Wike's removal are from the SouthWest and North, IS peurile. If you cannot see that then I cannot help you. Some people exist in the real world and not on twitter. How asinine . . .

kabirubiche:
Why are u so concern about people that died in Rivers and kept mute to corp members that were slaughtered in Bauchi

And you know I kept mute over slaughtering in Bauchi because I am pointing out the atrocities that happened in Rivers State? Carry your mental problems somewhere else please, cannot be bothered to deal with such infantile reasoning. One bad thing does not make another bad thing right. If you are so convicted about the Bauchi incidents take it to court, no one is stopping anybody for fighting for any perceived injustices! Provide the evidence and let the perpatrators be brought to book.

melvinjames:
Go on Twitter and see those celebrating.

And you draw conclusions on important events by the names of people celebrating on twitter? We have serious educational problem in that country. This is how you people were lying to Jonathan that he was loved and would win election. These things are not won by who has the most "likes" or has the most twitter followers. How peurile can you people be? Never underestimate the will of the silent majority. It is like that childish mentality displayed online that proposes anybody not in favour of Jonathan or Biafra cannot be from the East or the Niger Delta, this dogmatism and stifling of plurality of thought is worrying.. . Societies do not advance that way.

Firefire:
Sorry!

Sorry for destroying the stupidity in your warped reasoning? More than happy to oblige.

temitemi1:
Apc must nt be allowed to win a single pooling unit in rivers!!

And you will achieve that by forcing people to vote pdp and not anyone else at gunpoint? You people have mental issues. One man, one vote.

Firefire:
You mean no election in Rivers and there was election in Kastina, Borno and some part of the North, even with the underage voting and clear electoral malpractices and established case of bribing the Yobe REC?

Truth is bitter.

And all those people in the pictures were voting for APC in PDP controlled states? And there was no industrial scale rigging in the whole of the South East and parts of the Niger Delta for Jonathan, giving him margins of hundred percent turnout and hundred percent voting share in some places? Keep lying to yourself, thinking you are making sense because no one is bothering to dignify your nonsense with a respone. You think we all have selective amnesia like you.

naijapips02:
Before Rivers, Bayelsa would be delivered to APC.....it's CHANGE brother the constant condition.

The Bayelsa own I am indifferent about, I cannot support Sylva who was terrible the last time he was governor. Don't care about political parties, just good governance. And as per Rivers State Wike is obviously a thug and a known failure in the last administration, what did he achieve at the federal level? Princewill or Dakuku are the only reasonable looking options to me.

naijapips02:
this shii reminds me of the GEJ till 2019 crew.

Then it was "no vacacy in Aso Rock".

You are funny, you think appeal is like garri you just keep collecting from a bag? If he appeals to the highest court and the court nullifies his election it is over. That doesn't have to take 4 years, this one took only a few months. I don't know why you people like telling yourself lies to support what was obviously wrong, do you people have no iota of conscience? The people that died during election, were they not from Rivers State? Someone suported statewide thuggery to force his way into power and you are here making him look like the victim. These are the kind of mentalities we need to expunge for Nigeria to move forward, very backwards.

Dolypson04:
We Africans are hypocrites and damn inferior. Just imagine if tribal mark was a Western culture, people will still be spending a lot of money just to have their face marked. Tell me the difference between tribal mark and permanent facial tattoo.
I am not in support of tribal mark tho but if tribal mark should be stopped so tattooing also should be. The last time I checked, tattoo was a means of identifying animals.

Lame argument. Tatoo is a choice, scarification is not. Babies and children do not ask for it.

Nobody in UK is on the run . . . .

mrsmith11:
Oil price is falling everyday so why the need for subsidy? Stop fuel subsidy and use the money to subsidize electricity tariff which will be beneficial to us all.

Nigerians are really suffering at this time so why increase our expenses with electricity tariff

Remove one subsidy for another subsidy? I do not support that or see any wisdom in that, it is very short sighted and myopic. Removing subsidy and using the money to develop infrastructure or improve on the building of more power plants makes much better sense. Nigerians should chill out with this whole subsidy thing, subsidy is not meant to be a permanent situation. Nigeria is poor and has limited finances so you need to prioritise. You can't be asking for everything to be susbsidised for you and asking for magical transformation of infrastructure as well, the money has to come from somewhere . . . . . . .

Would be more inpressed with facilities and staff and other things that make an insitution worth anything. Buildings and cut grass don't produce scientists and engineers and researchers, except its a university more focused on the arts and humanities?

lagmostkuit:
It won't still change anything..

And that statement does absolutely nothing and dare I say is even daft. If they were going to win anyway why rig and intimidate voters?? We need to start jailing people for wrong doing to act as deterrent, there is too much indiscipline in Nigerian society and reasonings like yours are only a symptom of that larger problem.

That is the Jonathan legacy. Because he was not happy with Amaechi he dragged on a federal airports project forever while others were finished years earlier, thinking he was somehow paying back Amaechi. That is how petty things were. And yet some blind bigoted tribalistic small minded petty idiots would come and give lecture on Amaechi the betrayer and Jonathan king of the Niger Delta. Sometimes being affiliated with Nigeria is depressing, suck backwards mentality.

TonyeBarcanista:
Oga, the gubernatorial contest is the issue of the tribunal. We are not the judges na. This thread is about prosecuting financial thieves.

Don't be patronising, just calling you out on your duplicity and the many contradictions in your positions which paints you as a hypocrite not to be taken seriously.