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A very interesting development, so it begins . . . Here is hoping it will be swift and all the instigators and perpetrators behind the scenes and otherwise are brought to book. Odili and co, it is like there time is finally coming, i desperately hope.

@Sagamite if you were referring to other states i might take that whole infrastructure arguement as a serious one but you paint a picture of a state that has left things the way they are and just put these fines to make money because the standards are unattainable. However knowing that infrastrucure is being seriously addressed i won'tt be so quick to paint the picture you want to paint. Why not ask wirinet about the numerous rehabilitation projects that have been completed and those that are going on? Are the standards that unattainable though? Is it so hard to not abandon your car or overload it? Are the rules that ridiculous? Don't drive one way, wow that really is difficult. What wirinet narrated was an example of the system being easily abused because its implementation leaves a lot of room for this. I have not dispeled this fact and have said the success of such lies in its implementation. I was not in the car so i cannot state authoritatively. However the fines i will continously state seem at this point necessary to me.

When i say 'at this point', i mean at the point whereby there is not yet a tight nationwide system to properly identify cars etc, so taking registeration numbers might not be so succesful. Also the situation is not yet at the point where there are cameras everywhere. That could be worked on right now so what is going to happen at the interim with all the new roads springing up to ease traffic then? Continued breaking of the law from all directions? Even if there were cameras everywhere then you will have a situation whereby the police will be overswamped with offenders because people flout these laws like no mans business, why? Partly because the deterrent is not in place. Taking of licence points as was suggested earlier is just silly when the system is not in place to check this. Even if cameras are put everywhere as people have suggested, a deterrent is still needed to instill a better road safety culture.

LOL, @Sagamite you claim i did not read the document but i think you might be guilty of that. First of all at what age in Nigeria does the law begin to regard a person as an adult? So out of all the fines in the document is it only the driving against traffic fine you are against? What is the point of a deterrent exactly? And just to show that this seems to have been considered did you actually notice that all the other fines have what seems to be a fixed fine payment, however in only the one way driving does it state that the fine is not to exceed a certain ammount, did you not see that? What do you gather from that then? It seems to me it is up to the disposition of the officer and actually shows that this particular issue was thought of, it seems more severe in the sense that it involves passengers because for such a dangerous traffic offence (as i have continuously stated) it is common practise. However you paint the picture of teenagers getting fined which we both know is simply not going to be the case considering they are not regarded as adults under the law. So what about people who habour criminals that are liable to prosecution for doing so, could they not also be regarded as "passengers"?

Is the system open to abuse when put in a Nigerian context? Of course it is. But does that then make the problems the fines themselves? What i just did not get was the shock and horror factor attatched to the fines at the first page.  I simply did not get that, it is as if we were all living in denial as to how bad and dangerous the Nigerian style of driving is and how it continously causes traffic due to inconsiderate and toutish driving. It is just complete lawlessness. Can the fines be regarded as steep? Of course they are, but if it is going to make people more cautious when driving then i will not dismiss it considering how bad driving actually is.

Considering that this is Nigeria and lagos we are talking about, with the level of disregard for others on the road and the obscene height it has reached we can't just without putting a system to seriously deter people in place expect people that are used to the chaos to automatically behave. Something has got to give.

@Niga Love it is interesting that you ignored all previous questions but skipped to this one. So the IMF is what sent this man and his party on a violent rampage against his own people? Or was it also world bank that caused Mugabe to give the farmland which were so vital to the country's economy to family and friends? I just don't get how one ignores all of that and then blames the west. Are you not being selective? You will ignore all this man has done and absolve him from all of this but will see clearly the hands of others except his in this? How invokved was the world bank in the development of places like china and some notable middle eastern countries and provinces?

@Lady T, never underestimate the cowardice of Nigerians. Please name one dictator or bad leader or situation that has ever been fought against in Nigeria. Odi killings? Abacha? Adedibu? IBB? June 12? Obasanjo? The second coming of Obasanjo? The sham elections? Odilli? Ibori? should i really go on? Hence i just see laughing at Zimbabwe because of their so called cowardice as a very big and heavy dose of irony. You really think Nigerians will draw the line somewhere? For your sake please don't hold your breath, they will continue to even redraw the line to accomodate and tolerate more trash.

Did suicide bomber finish abacha or Adedibu? We had to wait for 'ladies of the evening' from other countries at that to come and finish off abacha for us. So please don't talk as if Nigenrians are not cowards too.

@Blatant and Uche, this is the thing i don't get though. You say the west peaked interest in Zimbabwe after the whole land fiasco. I won't disagree with this but fail to see how any of this matters or how it has stopped Mugabe from being such a total dictator with no interest in the welfare of the people he is supposed to be leading. I just wished africa would focus on its stuff and stop focusing on what others think about them. Some people have said let us work hard to prove that we are good, i don't think that should be our reason. Let us work hard to build a place we can all be proud of, a home we can be proud of so that we don't have people dying just to escape abroad, not becuase we want to prove a point that we can be a nation not only made of 419ers but because we want to build something that we can be proud of.  All this undue focus on outside matters when the inside is rotting i just don't understand.

What is being displayed here is that saying i remember from when i was young, in church when you jokingly accuse somebody of opening their eyes during prayers they ask, 'how did you see me'? Does this whole, "the west, the west" stop people from seeing what Mugabe is doing to his people? God Help us all.

If the government had any common sense they will use this strike as a means to properly privatise PHCN right now and enforce things like pre pay meter!!! Before strikes were threatened by PHCN workers against pre paid meters. This is a window of opportunity to implement ideas that were being stalled before and i suggest the government takes it.

@Niga_Luv for a country that claims to want to stand on its own to be using the reasoning that it does not enjoy credit facilities from the west and that is why it is failing is simply peddling a pathetic excuse. So if Africa was the only continent then Zimbabwe won't survive? So what about the east? They can't trade with asia?

Does the fact that britain is more concerned automatically make Zanu PF a saintly party with the interest of the people at heart? Don't you see that it is you that is actually going out of your way to make this about the west? Why avoid all those questions which go to show a country that has been very badly managed and run by a party which has killed of any opposition and hence removing choice and freedom from the people of the country? If Zimbabweans don't want Zanu PF is it by force? So where exactly do you place the interest of the people who are dying everyday and are being subjected to violence to force them to vote Mugabe even when they see no logical reason to given the state of affairs?

@Niga_luva instead of deviating from the topic why don't we focus on it as a seperate issue? With the way the country has been now for quite a while with inflations running in the tens of thousands and violence instigated by Zanu PF, don't Zimbabweans have a right to refuse such a party? If Mugabe is so confident in the so called support he always claims to have from his people then why the need for the violence instigated by him and Zanu PF on his own people? In all of this i have not mentioned the west have I? So when does that become the over riding and fundamental issue that is so powerful that we ignore the people that are dying and suffering everyday due to funny enough not the inactions of the ruling party, but its instigated actions?

@texazzpete when did i ever casually allow that the law be abused by policemen and how? I have on numerous occassions had the Nigerian Police Experience and rituals of "thanksgiving" and "offering time" at illegal police "check points". You were so quick to point out that the system is open to abuse by the police and i stated that it has been open to abuse by Nigerians too. What you don't seem to see is that again, your problem is with the implementation of the fines and how it can be abused, but with the lower fines that have been in place and continuosly abused. My suggestion for this is that people inform the government with regards to this and i have stated on previous posts what could be addressed about the implementation so i won't repeat.

So exactly which law among the listed ones are you worried about? Is it that easy for the police to fake that your car was abandoned if it was not parked by the express way? What about overloading? What about one way driving on the express way which does occur? The thing is that if the fines are reduced as i have continuosly stated what makes you think it won't just be a matter of reduction of bribes whereby people will be more willing to risk breaking the law because they know the bribe is less? You yourself know how crazy the road system is, as long as signs are put up and the public is well informed about the whole issue and fines are paid to latma (or even better the government) not its officials then i am fine with this. If well implemented, by the time the fines has shocked order into the system and enough time has passed then the fines can be reduced.

@landis just some simple questions for you, if the people of Zimbabwe decide to vote for the opposition and they decide they don't want Zanu PF anymore, shouldn't there vote count even if it is for what you call "western stooges"? If the Zanu PF is so confident that they hold the support of the people then why the violence, why not prove this point you keep on going on about throught the polls to really "stick it" to the west? Why is it that after last elections it took a month for the votes to be counted and results released while in previous elections the results were announced in days? The excuse given by Zanu PF was that they wanted it done right this time around, does that mean that they were accepting that previous elections held were rigged and just basically non standing? Wouldn't that be them incriminating themselves? If so then how on earth could such  party be trusted this time around after taking a month to release results which then conveniently called for a rerun? Please do enlighten us with your answers and the questions are free to all

It is quite shocking when people continuosly subscribe to play partisan politics and politrickery with human lives even when it is down to the bare essential. Is it not a democracy? But someone is suggesting that a suitable replacement should be found within the Zanu PF party? So what if Zimbabweans don't want Zanu PF? Election results were cast and it took them a month to count it and conveniently it required a run off? So why did it in the past take days for the election results to be announced, are Zanu PF now accepting that those elections were therefore rigged and the people defrauded? Are these claims true or is it just again BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera, NTA and everybody else that are lying? Why is violence then being used by the Zanu PF against the people if the party is so confident that it enjoys the suport of the people?

Also, keep in mind that the report i just posted above was an interim report, meaning it was sort of a progress report. The investigation was not even completed and this is what had fallen out of the closet so far. Imagine what was yet to be published that he went to get restrain on EFCC from publishing. And this was OBJ's godson. When this report was published what happened? What did anyone say to the said to be best serving governor in Nigeria? Was there any protest? Did the militants go and attack Odili? Who did the militants continue terrorizing? Nigeria and its selective blindness. His defence was all fluff and no substance and was all fireworks and i was far from dazzled and refuse to fall for such. The proof is in the pudding, when next anyone has time and they can afford to, travel around the country and see places, go and see Port Harcourt the so called oil city of Nigeria. Go and look around Rivers State that enjoyed the highest state derivation among all states for all this while, the so called "treasure base of the nation" according to number plates. Get that perspective and you will begin to wonder what all the "oil money" was spent on? DISGUSTING

@Truequest, is it these reports and those speeches he gave that gave you doubts of his hands in these issues? Were you that easily dazzled? He asked for evidence of embezzlement and that means he did not embezzle? What about the EFCC report that OBJ used as a leverage to get Odilli to give up his presidential aspirations? Over 100billion Naira was proved by EFCC to be embezzled and the way such was done was intricately detailed in the report. After that report no one heard from Odili for a while, but i guess he banked on the short term memory of Nigerians because after about a year he has the audacity to ask for evidence and people are getting dazzled by this? What an insult. Given the fact that his wife is a judge why would one be surprised that he was good at answering questions? Someone that with his ill gotten influence was able to get a restraining order against the EFCC in which the order also interestingly explicitly restrained the EFCC from publishing their finds on him. What does he have to hide and what is so terrifying about the information the EFCC has not yet published? Should i post the EFCC report already published early 2007? And then knowing that no such law (eg FOI) is available to the citizens, after restraining EFCC he is now asking for evidence knowing the normal person on the street will be denied acess to this? SICKENING.

Peter Odili Dazzles at TRC
June 17, 2008 by Felix Ashimole

Sir Peter Odili, one time governor of Rivers State 1999-2007, made himself available to adopt the written submission by his Counsel Ifedayo Adedipe SAN to the Justice Eso led Rivers State Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC). The RTC had to relocate to Abuja, to enable Sir Odili and Sekibo to testify. The duo had cited security reasons for their inability to attend the sitting of the TRC in Port Harcourt.

Earlier testifiers, had insinuated that Sir Peter Odili was responsible for the death, of Harry Marshal and Chief A.K. Dikibo. The weightiest of these testifiers, is Asari Dokubo. Asari Dokubo, was the leader of the Niger Delta Volunteer Front, the forerunner of Movement for the Emancipation of Niger Delta (MEND). Asari after a long sojourn awaiting trial, claims he is born again and have shunned violence.

While he reigned, he was a terror and the twin names of Asari and Ateke Tom is synonymous to evil in the creeks of the Niger Delta.

According to Sir Peter Odili, he first met the duo of Asari and Ateke on October 1st 2004 at the Presidential Villa, after he was summoned by the then president. Odili denied belonging and sponsoring any cult group and challenged anybody with contrary evidence to step forward.

According to Odili, there was an apex group made up of 16 members, which included Rotimi Ameachi the present governor; Celestine Omehia; the two past PDP chairmen of the state. Each had a free hand to control any organization that was used in his area to mobilize for PDP.

Sir Peter Odili, swearing in the name of God, denied any knowledge of the death of both Harry Marshal and Dikibo. In Asari’s testimony reported in National dailies, Asari said he was told that Odili was responsible for the death. Asari’s testimony was based on hear say and Asari’s believe. Asari never made known the names of those from whom he heard that Odili was responsible for the death.

Odili, also threw an open challenge to the whole world to come up with evidence of embezzlement by him or his administration.

In a rapid departure from the testimony, Sir Odili indicted the Chairman of the commission of bias, rhetorically asking if he can get justice from a panel headed by Justice Eso. This indictment was a reference to the opening speech of Justice Eso to the effect that he used the instrumentalities of the law to frustrate prosecution.

In response to questions from the counsel to the TRC Chima Bovis, Odili reasserted that there was no need to use cultists in the 2003 election as there was no credible opposition in Rivers State.

Throughout the lengthy denial, Odili appeared well schooled in the act of cross examination and made a mice meat of the accusations. Sir Peter Odili’s wife, Mary Odili, is a Justice of the Court of Appeal Abuja division.

It is quite obvious that a mighty fat big can of worms is just waiting to opened to expose most if not ALL of them. Just read some of the responses given by Odili, shaky and unconvincing at best. The news emanating daily from this truth comission is just laughable, I really don't know what this commission is supposed to achieve but it is like they have all gone to Abuja to stage a play and each day they all keep indirectly indicting, incriminating and accusing each other.

Rivers truth panel a witch-hunt, says Odili
From Lemmy Ughegbe, Abuja

THE Rivers State Truth and Reconciliation Commission began sitting in Abuja yesterday, with former Governor of the state, Peter Odili, accusing his successor, Rotimi Amaechi, of setting it up to witch-hunt him.

But the state Commissioner for Information, Ogbonna Nwuke, described Odili's statement as "laughable, amazing and unmeritorious," insisting that Amaechi desires reconciliation.

Testifying before the commission, Odili said peace would not reign in Rivers State until Amaechi was ready for genuine reconciliation.

He insisted that the commission was set up to smear his image, even as he accused the Chairman of the commission, Justice Kayode Eso (rtd), of bias. He also denied links with cultism.

Odili said: "At no time between 1999 and 2007 did Governor Amaechi advise me against the use of cult groups for elections because there was no need for such advice.

"At no time did I attempt to use them (cult groups) for any illegal and unofficial purposes. Let us remember that the governor has no commanding authority over these personnel. Why then should any law enforcement failure be attributed to Peter Odili?"

Odili said the allegation that he was into oil theft was also false.

His words: "I have neither been into bunkering (oil theft) nor do I have interest in community or chieftancy problems anywhere. I therefore, had no need to set up or support any armed group. I challenge anyone who thinks I armed or supported any armed group to step forward publicly with his evidence.

"I have watched with amazement, disdain and pity, the melodrama that has emerged from the public hearing. It is absolutely clear, my lord, that this commission was set up for only one reason - to attempt to smear the image and hard-earned good name and reputation of Dr. Peter Odili, discredit his government and the good works he did as governor.

"Clearly, no truth and reconciliation was intended by those who conceived the idea of this commission, and given the trend so far, I dare say that no reconciliation can be achieved."

Amaechi, early this month, set up the commission to look into the grievances of the people of the state between 1999 and 2007. The commission is also expected to engender a lasting peace among the people.

Odili said he was introduced to the militants at a meeting arranged for him, Asari Dokubo and Ateke Tom in 2004 by the Presidency.

His words: "Late afternoon on October 1, 2004, I got a call from the Presidency to come urgently. When I got to the Villa, I met a group of young men, apparently from my state, who had been brought to the Villa for the purpose of making peace and stopping the violence in the state.

"They were said to be representing Ateke and Asari groups and both men (Asari and Ateke) were also present. That was my first time of sitting with Ateke in my life."

Odili denied having a hand in the death of Chiefs Marshal Harry and D.K. Dikibo. His words: "I deny, in the name of God, that I had anything whatsoever to do with Marshal Harry's death. The trial of the suspects for his murder is going on in Abuja."

On Dikibo, he said: "We had no personal quarrel or disagreement whatsoever. I was devastated to hear via a phone call from his nephew (Soe Dikibo), who was then a commissioner in the state Executive Council, that Chief A.K Dikibo had been killed on his way to Asaba."

He said his administration received a total of N708.3 billion in eight years, contrary to claims that he collected N1.3 trillion.


http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/news/article04//indexn2_html?pdate=180608&ptitle=Rivers%20truth%20panel%20a%20witch-hunt,%20says%20Odili

HE HE HE, it is like these people are purposely trying to lose their jobs for real. They think them striking is going to make a difference or cause an impact? Or have they forgotten that almost everybody now has generator? They better go and start begging to be forgiven and accepted back unless they have employment at the side, LOL. Power Holding Company of Nigeria.

confederacy for the freedom of Zimbabwe ke. What about confederacy for the freedom of Nigeria?

LOL, @naijaking, i think we would all secretely like to think Nigerians were sufering from some complex psychological disorder to explain such behaviour that continuously defies reason instead of calling it what it really is, which is good old fashioned simple craze. Plato's cave ke 

@HolyMic, i hope you are confident because you actually have a serious and sound business and economical plan of action and you are not relying on the fact that you caught snakes with your bare hands in you 'younger days'? There was no need to air all your stuff on nairaland but since you did i hope the land is not too far from the people you are going to be supplying and also i hope you are already asking people back home to start getting list of people you can supply to? If you can offer a lower cost because of shorter distance and hence a reduction in transportation then better for you as you can make good profit and supply at a lower cost and hence increase customer base. These are things to be thinking about and finally i hope you realise that farming IS hard work.

@naijaking but absolving the people of the blame which they rightly share, is that not living in denial? Who are the people? We are the people, you and I as well as millions of others. You don't have to tell me whether you felt outrage at certain issues or what you have done etc but think about it. That sort of social awakening is needed. OBJ has a lot of blame sure, i never said he did not. But who let him wreak such havock? Was everyone sleeping? When will Nigerians stop selling their rights for a plate of rice? People will come to a village after stealing all the money in the world and such will be welcomed etc. It is just sickening and i will never be a part of such. So in the midst of all of this where are such people supposed to feel shame for what they have done before we even begin to speak of prosecution, etc? You give a child a pat on the back for stealing and then expect him and others not to steal? I am still desperately trying to attatch some logic to it.

@SENATOR JD please explain that 7 point agenda so that we can understand. It is just like me being appointed president tomorrow and i write down,
1-Education, 2-Power, 3-Transport, etc and then calling it 3 point agenda. What exactly are the policies that would be put in place for these areas to be improved? In fact what are the plans for these areas? What goals were set so that one can measure wether the 7 point agenda was a sucess or not? That is just a vague list of very obvious problems that should be tackled anyway which a 3 year old could make up. What is being done to address those 7 points? Again, did Yaradua campaign during the elction? When was he selected for the elction? He had a chance to say no and he didn't why? Just because he did not say no does not automatically mean he had a plan. When did Obama start campaigning for presidency, how far from the election? When did Yaradua start campaigning if he even did such?? How many months or weeks even to the elcetion if not days? PDP does nbot seem to have an agenda as a party. It is a party which after all their history seems best buried as one of the Nightmares of the past.

@naijaking i never absolved OBJ of any blame but let us be honest and fair too, are the Nigerian masses not to blame too? Somebody steals blindly from them but buys them a plate of bole and they will give this person chieftaincy title and throw owambe for him calling him "my son". So what happened when OBJ foisted somebody on the whole nation? Where were the serious protests? Something that should have triggered a nationwide protest simply because it was fraudulent and because we have had enough quickly disintegrated into tribal sentiment of it was the norths turn anyway, etc. And then we are shocked that people continue to have the audacity to do these things to us when we don't complain or fight against it? NIGERIA! So what were the masses doing when OBJ was doing all of this? No one wants to stick out their neck for the right thing and then we cry bloody murder? It just completely defies logic. Don't worry, just you wait. there will be no campaign for electoral reforms, even if supreme court rules that last elections were perfect, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, no one will raise a fist to demand better but when election comes and they are rigged AGAIN, you will see people expressing shock and horror. LOOOOL. Only in Nigeria.

Demanding to reap where we did not sow, we are going to wait for age to kill everybody from IBB to Atiku then we will say it was god. Someone will take his or her time and loot the nation and slowly kill a people for decades, no one will say anything. Such a person will take time to go on holiday to take  break and comeback to continue such, will do this to his hearts satisfaction and live to be 100 and when he dies from old age after living much higher than the average life expectancy in the country people will start praising God. God must really be frustrated with such a nation he so richly blessed that continues to willingly (yes willingly) suffer. Even if it is to go and buy tomato from the market people will ask God to do it when he gave them legs. Nigeria.

@texazzpete now we are definately going round in circles lol. You keep on bringing up reasons of how the implementation will fail without actually bringing up solid reasons as to how the fine itself would not if properly implemented serve as a means of scaring people into being more cautious and doind the right thing. You keep on using excuses of how there is room for the police and officers to abuse such a system without aknowledgng that Nigerians also always find ways to abuse the system too. You reason that if the fine was reduced then people will be more inclined to pay. What makes you think if it was 1000Naira fine that people won't pay the officers 500Naira bribe or are you just speaking for yourself?

I still don't see the problem with the fine and have stated numerous times that its success lies in its implementation and aggressive info campaing to inform the public of the way these fines are to be implemented, etc. Yes it is if allowed very easy for such a system to be abused by not just the police officers but also by the citizens and drivers. Take some responsibility too.

To be honest i was expecting to see something like Yar Adua gave 300 positions to people from Katsina state and gave 5 or 10 to people not from the North. But ratios like 145 to 122? or 124 to 123? Come on, are we not really just trrying to fuel a tribal controversy? I won't say anything till these appointed people have taken a first action or presented their plans of action. At this stage in Nigerian history i really don't care who leads as long as the job is done. Odilli was from his state and what did he do for his so called people? What about Ibori? Should i go on?

People shouting for Yaradua to be removed now just amuse me because they expected much from the result of a fraudulent election whereby the person elected did not even plan to be president. And then we are all surprised he seems to have no plans of action?  DUUUUUUHHHH? And then when the election tribunal so cowardly with the most contrived reasons in the midst of all the evidence did not annul the election, the reponses i saw on Nairaland and the rejoicing is just something i can't forget, if that was the response to the judiciary standing by the wrong thing in the midst of all that evidence then we are really in trouble. And then now saying "Making Yaradua president was OBJ's worst mistake" really shows we are in trouble. Since when did OBJ speak for 140million people? Is election now accepted to be what OBJ wants? Sure Yaradua is frustrating me with his inactions and actions etc but what is most shocking is that we planted banana and all of a sudden people are shocked that we are not harvesting oranges, i  . . . .just . . . i just don't understand this.

If people want to start acting to remove anybody they should be working to remove house of rep members in their state and from their state representing in the state and federal house as well as senators because we are really in trouble there as well. How many bills have been passed? FOI has STILL not been passed with the most silly reasons given while they have had chance to delibrate dress codes and Obama commendations. Let us see what the supreme court would say about Yaradua and worst case scenario if he is not impeached then people had better start looking for better candidates for 2011 and start campaigning now for such candidates and for solid ELECTORAL REFORM or do we want to start waiting so we can demand to sow where we did not reap YET AGAIN? LOL typical Nigerian reasoning of blaming everyone but wanting to always wash hands clean from the situation.

@Truequest so where can one listen to his defence so that we can see how convincing it is or was? The whole point is that you don't have to even hear everything, go to the state that was governed by him for eight years and see what progress was made, interview area touts and people of such in the state and listen to the response they will give you. Cultism and militancy during that administration was government sponsored, have you been listening to the chief militants themselves? What was all the money the state got from government derivation and revenue used for? Port Harcourt is just one big market square and to be honest nothing changed in those eight years, one can basically see NO DIFFERENCE. Before you watch that so called defence familiarise yourself with the EFCC report on things we know he did because that is a report even him did not deny, a report showing how much EFCC knows he stole and how this was achieved (in the range of 100billion Naira), it then makes you wonder about how much did such a person wielding that much power unchallenged steal that is not even known off?

With these kinds of leadership africa is in trouble oh, LOL. After being used to leadership which continues to redefine logic, at times when you hear news like this the shock quickly disintegrates when you remind yourself that you are dealing with africa afterall, you don't know what to do but to laugh. I can't really say anything afterall Nigeria is no better, by the way happy nationwide black out day. I am feeling the darkness in spirit and would make sure i turn of all lights this evening to mark the occasion and arrange for my neighbours to rob me in the night to give it that extra special nigerian feeling. 

@texazzpete you want to compare paying very stiff fines which is used as a deterrent for easily potentially fatal road behaviour with beheading and you think that is a fair comparison given the context?

@SENATOR JD just to make you happy i went back to that thread to read it. Very defensive stance you took considering i was genuinely asking you for the source of your own story for something i read from three different online sources so that you could verify your own side of things. Did that really warrant the patronising response? Its cool, i don't get offended by such, .

@SENATOR JD that news that was reported on like 3 different papers and news sources whereby you said some information was wrong after i posted the link? The one you said you had the newspaper somewhere and that the manwas speeding away from police and you will prove there was more to it but you never did? You have a pretty selective memory. LOL. Fine, thanks for asking.