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Ofodirinwa:
Bro if someone is offering you a visa to Latin america and your immediate plan isn't walk to the US, be careful LOL. Latin America has the world's worst gangs, most violence cities and is the epicenter of the drug trade. I don't know if you're trying to justify some sort of decision you have already made but I've debunked your data and you're continuing so be careful over there.

You’re salty at this point as I’ve proven that Africa is nowhere Latin America in terms of development. If a country like Mexico on its own is around 2/3rd’s of the GDP of the entire African continent. You realise as to how crazy and embarrassing that is for the African side?
You debunked nothing 😂😂!

1. Africa is more violent than Latin America and it’s not even close. African crime is more likely to underreported as African countries have worse freedom of press and are more corrupt compared to the ones in Latin America. They also do drugs in Africa. Africa has a higher criminality index
https://ocindex.net/rankings?f=rankings&view=List&group=Continent

Africa and The Middle East are found to be the most active warzones on the planet

“Africa comes second in the number of armed conflicts per region with more than 35 non-international armed conflicts (NIACs) taking place in Burkina Faso, Cameroon, the Central African Republic (CAR), the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Mali, Mozambique, Nigeria, Senegal, Somalia, South Sudan and Sudan. Several armed groups – fighting against government forces and/or against each other’s – are involved in these conflicts”

https://geneva-academy.ch/galleries/today-s-armed-conflicts

On top of the fact that Latin America is far more stable which is essential for development. Africa won’t be able to emulate the Asian tigers because there is far too much corruption and instability in the continent.

2. Latin America has Africa beat on every socio-economic indices.

‘Sub-Saharan Africa is, by nearly every measure, behind Latin America in regard to socio-economic development. It is much poorer; by most measures, Latin America's combined GDP is between two and three times greater than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and it's as much as seven times per capita’

https://www.isi-consultants.com/insights/doing-business-in-latin-america-vs-africa-how-do-they-compare#:~:text=Sub%2DSaharan%20Africa%20is%2C%20by,as%20seven%20times%20per%20capita.

3. Latin America’s Economy is not like Africa that is based entirely on the extraction and sale of raw materials. Latino countries are more self sufficient as they are far more industrious. The value of Mexican exports ALONE is almost 2 times as high as the entire African continent. Mexican Exports in 2022 were $574.1 billion compared to Africa of $378 billion.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/africas-exports-1995-2020/


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico

Latinos are also far more productive and harder working. You Afrocentrists and Pan Africanists live in a fantasy land. Africa’s future is not bright

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_labour_productivity

They are the laziest countries on earth.

4. Nothing you’ve suggested reveals that Africa has a meaningful future. You cannot build an economy where the masses lack the basic amenities like common electricity, adequate roads and so on. You’ve no evidence that Africa can industrialise.

5. Why on earth are you bringing the US Into this? You just don’t want to admit that Latin America is far more prosperous. Geopolitically, the US and other Western powers are waning in global influence. There is a new world order forming that’s no longer going to be US-led. That’s what the formation of BRICS is hinting at. But that power won’t shift won’t be to Africa. It will be to Latin America and Asia. Latin American countries like Brazil and Mexico are definitely going to be world powers. They arguably already are.

So please accept it, Africa is finished. It is a lost cause. Don’t make me embarrass you anymore online.

jelel6:
Don't play the religious card like other countries who are highly religious don't prosper. I don't understand if that's suppose to make you smarter than Religious folks by default.

It does hold Africa back

Gerrard59:
China is richer than every African country. Heck, she is a major lender to these countries. How many black dominated countries can be compared to China? You might call it inferiority complex or whatever but globally, a Chinese is more respected than a random black person except when it's discovered that the black person is an American or British. The consequences for disrespecting a Chinese far outweighs that of a black person. Currently, many companies kowtow to Chinese leaders and her people, how many global companies kowtow to Africans? It's because Africans are poor! No has to like a black person rather what ought to be done is respect which is earned by proffering value, something the vast majority of black countries ditto people aren't doing. Racial discrimination like any other form of discrimination will continue to exist because humans are naturally discriminatory but there is a limit which can be done when the other party contributes invaluable portion.

All the black countries on earth are poor. Black countries were/are ruled/dominated by Asians and Europeans

Nova1988:
In the 1960's or Soo Nigeria was far better than Dubai which was just a desert with a few buildings, they even wanted to learn from us on how we successfully made a great airline (Nigerian airways). Few decades later we cannot stand near them, and as for SA they started having electric before France and Portugal that is during the South African gold Rush.

You’re correct with Nigeria vs UAE but not France vs Portugal. The problem with the UAE is that it was built too quickly. Dubai was almost empty like 30 years ago.

Portugal had electricity in the 19th century

France was 1881

South Africa was 1882

https://histoire.bnpparibas/en/bnp-paribas-and-the-electricity-industry-1881-1950/#:~:text=If%20the%20founding%20event%20of,the%20electrical%20industry%20in%20France.

https://www.edp.com/en/edp-stories/a-history-two-centuries-portugal-lights-first-lamp#:~:text=The%20history%20of%20the%20electrification,the%20streets%20with%20street%20lighting.

https://www.eskom.co.za/heritage/the-early-years/#:~:text=Mrs%20Cornwall%2C%20Mayoress%20of%20the,evening%20of%2015%20February%201882.

Ifeoluwav:
Let us not be deceived, especially by the external media. Africa has been lied to about themselves since the beginning of slavery and the time of colonisation.

We have been lied to and manipulated that we aren't great that nothing good has come out of the black man. African traditions and culture were very much demonised by colonialism so that we hate ourselves and not bother tracing
our roots .

What Africans don't know is the offshores know our history very well and control our narratives using the media and our school systems and ensure we aren't thought our history. Jesus was painted white whereas he's black, and the devil painted black, perhaps to brainwash us that black means evil which is not so.

For 400+ years the great history of our people have been hidden. Civilisation started in Africa and Africa has ruled for 10,000s of years, technology, science, medicine, mathematics, all started in Africa even Plato, Aristotle and other offshores figures learned in Africa from the black man. Black people have ruled Europe, there were and still are indigenous black people in every continent, but we aren't thought so, perhaps so that we can keep looking down on our selves, potentials and perhaps maintain the exploitation.

We need to learn the black man's history because many of our history is hidden from us. It will help us know what has been, what went wrong and understand our days. It is then we can start to understand what is currently wrong with or happening to us and think of what to do.

A PEOPLE without the knowledge of their origin,
past history and culture, IS like a tree without roots - Marcus Garvey

You Afrocentrists are delusional

rationalhuman:
Dont say such sane practice words, otherwise our village people will label you a White worshiper.

Anything bad about about Africa is white man or western propaganda. I’m intrigued as to what Afrocentrists/Pan-Africanists will say about this especially considering that it wasn’t even a white man that said this.

GreaterFuture:
Not in the Physiological or biological sense of course, But religion and Illiteracy holds the people back.
The "Mentally superior" Chinese should know that.

Asians might not be huge but you should never underestimate their strength particularly the ones that are trained in martial arts which tend to originate from that region.

Karlifate:
Why won't they open their mouth wide to call Africans, "weak" or "mentally inferior" when Africans still depend heavily on them to solve their problems.

Ajaokuta was built by the Russians & Ukrainians. It became dilapitated after their depature, now, the foreigners are being consulted again inorder to make it functional.
Several old, well built & functioning infrastructure in the Government Tertiary Institution were built by these foreigners BUT they're now in a sorry state cos we kept on managing them without building our own. When they collapse, we run to the same foreigners for loans & helps that our unborn generations will keep on paying for.

When we get it right, the Chinks & others will STFU.

Africa will never get it right

rationalhuman:
So true,
The same China was also Colonized and ruled by several nations and several times, yet they rejected all crap , Sane and Intelligent people rejects crap.
We have not contributed a single positive thing to this world, how we can expect the respect? We Blacks are most unproductive people on this planet.

Height of our stupidity is ,A lot of the Folk accepted the same Religion (Islam) that justifies and validates slavery. oh the Irony. (Disclaimer. i dont belong to any religion)

China was able to go from the levels of an African country to a country that can challenge any country on earth. They’ve became so powerful that essentially no country bar the United States can stand up to them.

sexylassie2:
I know some Nigerians will believe the nonsense.

China isn't developing, there is lot of poverty in that country that the media wont show you.

Stop using the illusion of their big cities to judge china, many cities in china are nothing to write home about.

If an ordinary letter will convince you that you are mentally slow then you have a big inferiority complex

I’m glad that the Chinese company Zhongshang is seizing Nigeria’s assets globally because Nigerians have too much ego and bravado.

Nigeria and Africa is not on par with the west and not by any stretch of imagination. You can’t even Africa to Latin America.

In the case of China, they are the ones whom essentially own and are building Nigeria and Africa. China’s economic dominance in Africa is something that Nigerians and Africans can’t ignore. They just repressed another Nigerian aircraft another day. Africa is a joke 😂

Throwback:
You actually think they need all Nigerian masses to patronise them, when the few upper-class of the over 20m Lagos population is enough?

Or you think their specific location in Lagos is not strategic? Or the other partner stores for Adidas and Nike in Ikeja City Mall and The Palms Lekki have shut down all these years?

How many of the struggling immigrants in UK can afford to spend £70 on a shoe?

I’ve even seen homeless people wear adidas apparel. Bruh £70 in the UK is nothing.

lightskinnigga:
Kenyans are doing great things in their country.

They’re doing so without noise.

Some pictures of modern houses in Kenya is surreal

Lagos Nigeria should humble themselves

Kenya whilst impressive for African standards is not Dubai nowhere near. It’s hardly any more developed than Congo.

MkenyaMatata:
Lies, am Kenyan we got other cities too. Check out Mombasa at the coast(indian ocean), it's very famous and more touristy and the beaches there are out of this world. There is Kisumu City too, which is located in the west, at the shores of the biggest lake in Africa, Lake Victoria. Nakuru City with the lake and the flamingoes is an iconic city also.

Most cities in Africa have some form of slums and informal settlements. Because of rampant migration from rural areas, but that doesn't define everything that is this continent of Africa. Last time I checked Makoko was the biggest slum in this continent, dwarfing by far any other slum. Atleast slum dwellers in Kenya receive electricity 24/7, 365 days a year, good access roads, water, cheap health services and free education for their children.

You hyped this place too much

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

HellVictorinho8:
No network

😂😂

angelfallz:
Why do we equate fine buildings and skyscrapers to development?

For real
Kenya is a country with a medium level of human development, ranked 152nd out of 189 nations in 2022 with HDI of 0.598.

HellVictorinho8:
Try again later

But you are now, your just another misguided Afrocentrist.

HellVictorinho8:
U think using d word truth makes any difference




Dey play

Nope your just incredibly delusional

blueAgent:
True.

The Fools would keep blaming the West and colonization, while the rest of the World have moved on.

Don’t mind them, was Africa the only part of the world to be colonised?

aribisala0:
Russian oligarhs have been in the news .

What is an Oligarch?

An oligarchy is a small group of people who control and run a particular country or organization. You can also refer to a country which is governed in this way as an oligarchy
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/oligarchy#:~:text=An%20oligarchy%20is%20a%20small,the%20rule%20of%20an%20oligarchy.

Does such a group exist outside Russia e.g

In Nigeria is there a small group of people who control and run Nigeria ?

It seems those who want to be president must go and "consult" certain people . Are those oligarchs ?
Are they vulnerable to sanctions and or threats of sanctions and does that make them the oligarchs behave in a way that favors countries or powers that can sanction them over Nigeria?

Nigeria is definitely an oligarchy. It’s a country where a bunch of old men control all the economic and political power in the country. The country’s wealth is in a few bank accountsz

HellVictorinho8:
Yeah china gives u oxygen 2 breathe


Theyre superhumans on earth


Keep preaching dem gospel

Spouting the truth is not worshipping.

Ofodirinwa:
Direct quote from your links

Mexico
$2.017 trillion (nominal; 2024)[4]
Increase $3.434 trillion (PPP; 2024)[4]


Africa
$3.1 trillion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Africa#:~:text=$3.1%20trillion%20(nominal;%202023%20est)%20$8.86%20trillion%20(PPP;%202023%20est)
$8.86 trillion (PPP; 2023 est)



Growth Rate - Latin America (Last of all world regions)


Growth Rate - Second of all world regions.





idk if someone is selling you the dream of getting a visa to Peru or what but you will just find yourself unemployed and trying to sneak into America.

Growth Rate - Africa

Latin America is by no means a paradise but it’s far better off than Africa and its problems be it in the current and in the future are nowhere as severe as Africa’s problem.
another reason why Africa won’t catch up with the world is because it has an unsustainable population growth. Africa can’t even support its current population and its population is going to double or triple in the coming decades.

Not all Latinos are border hoppers. In fact, with some Latin American countries there has been a reverse in immigration. More Mexicans leave than enter the US.

Ofodirinwa:
Direct quote from your links

Mexico
$2.017 trillion (nominal; 2024)[4]
Increase $3.434 trillion (PPP; 2024)[4]


Africa
$3.1 trillion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Africa#:~:text=$3.1%20trillion%20(nominal;%202023%20est)%20$8.86%20trillion%20(PPP;%202023%20est)
$8.86 trillion (PPP; 2023 est)



Growth Rate - Latin America (Last of all world regions)


Growth Rate - Second of all world regions.





idk if someone is selling you the dream of getting a visa to Peru or what but you will just find yourself unemployed and trying to sneak into America.

Growth Rate - Africa

With the GDP, I apologise I confused the nominal with the PPP. But the point still stands anyway. If just 1 Latin American country is over 2/3rd of the GDP of the entire African Continent. That reveals as to how much wealthier, more advanced and prosperous Latin America is to Africa. No one is selling me a dream but I’m giving Africans like you a reality check. Many Africans believe they do or could measure up to the western world but they don’t even measure upto Latin America.

Latin America and the carribean is nowhere near as rich or developed as the West or East, but at the same time it’s nowhere as poor or undeveloped as Africa. African countries still suffer from problems that Latin American countries got rid of in the previous century. Latin America has a way brighter future ahead of it than Africa especially if the West decides to funnel in more funds and set up businesses there to act as a counterbalance to China’s growing power.

Africa having the highest growth rate is hardly impressive because it is the least developed continent on earth.

There is a global power shift, but power is not moving to Africa LITERALLY 😂😂. The new world powers in this century are going to be from regions such Asia (India,China, Philippines, Vietnam) as well as Latin America (Brazil, Mexico,Argentina and Chile)

Africa is the toilet of the world. It’s where other countries dump their s***

Ofodirinwa:
You have no numbers or facts to support this. You just feel like this and that's ok to feel something but you can't make your feelings facts. The whole of Latin America has been economically stagnant for 40 years consecutive and this is a well understood reality about world economics. This is why I know you're jus saying things because of your emotional condition.

I do
1. Africa’s GDP stands at $3.4 trillion which is smaller than Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Africa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico

2. Latin America is way further ahead of Africa. It’s not close. That’s a middle income region. They aren’t on par with the west but they are heaps and bounds ahead of Africa
‘ Sub-Saharan Africa is, by nearly every measure, behind Latin America in regard to socio-economic development. It is much poorer; by most measures, Latin America's combined GDP is between two and three times greater than that of sub-Saharan Africa, and it's as much as seven times per capita’

https://www.isi-consultants.com/insights/doing-business-in-latin-america-vs-africa-how-do-they-compare#:~:text=Sub%2DSaharan%20Africa%20is%2C%20by,as%20seven%20times%20per%20capita.

There is far more potential and opportunity in Latin America compared to Africa. It’s not even close. Why do you think the US and other western powers invest trillions into that region and are setting up manufacturing there? It is counter China. The West is behind China’s rise as their businesses came to China. But now they are moving their business into Southeast Asia and Latin America.

4. Latin America’s growth is identical to Africa and bear in mind Africa is far less developed.

5. The point is Africa is not developing. It’s not catching up to Latin America and it’s certainly not catching up to any other region on the planet. Never in a trillion years.

blueAgent:
True.

Africa is a big mistake.

I think our problem has to do with IQ.
Google IQ and development of a Nation.

They are crazy and Africa is truly a crime scene, even the high brow areas of Africa are still third world. You see a politician with a heavily armed convoy of luxury cars passing by beggars, crippled people and starving children. The continent is sick.

wirinet:
Which amenities are you talking about? Maybe you have not left the shores of naija to the western world. There are homeless people with no amenities whatsoever littering the streets of London and Los Angeles that beg to eat.

Heck I rarely ever lived in Nigeria and I’m in one the high brow areas of Lagos right now and it’s still like a third world country. Even being affluent in Nigeria or Africa still sucks as those parts have third world conditions. The affluent areas of Lagos like Ikoyi, Via, Banana Island etc still have third world conditions like naked kids begging for money on the street, poor sanitation, bad roads, intermittent power supply, terrible drivers, lawlessness etc

wirinet:
Which amenities are you talking about? Maybe you have not left the shores of naija to the western world. There are homeless people with no amenities whatsoever littering the streets of London and Los Angeles that beg to eat.

Basic Amenities such as reliable power supply, adequate infrastructure, sanitation, decent roads etc. no African country actually has basic amenities for their masses, even the high brow areas of Africa tend to have third world conditions like intermittent power supply, starving kids on the street, bad roads etc.

Relative to Africa, There is no poverty in the West. Even the poorest people in the western world live better than most of the world. The US alone spends over $1.4 trillion on social security for its citizens. Europe has an even more generous welfare programs. They actually take care of the disadvantaged in the west or at least much better than the rest of the world does. The homeless advantaged in the US, UK etc are offered benefits that you will never find in any African country. They are in a modern and advanced country.

Afrocentrism is an absolute joke and Africa is a big mistake to humankind.

blueAgent:
True.
Clowns keep fooling themselves with the idea that they have the most mineral resources, why their peers are creating worldclass multi generational wealth and companies.

I could go as far as saying that there are even individuals that are richer than African countries which is crazy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nigeria

https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#73fbdd3c3d78

Musk is around $5 billion off Nigeria’s entire GDP.

The 5 richest men of America are around alone 1/3rd of Africa GDP. Africa is a crime scene and what’s painful is the natural resources that Africa has, yet it doesn’t know how to use them. The Chinese, Russians and Westerners use it instead.

Ofodirinwa:
It's literally the fastest developing continent in the world

Asia and Latin America are more promising, any attempts to rival the East and the West is going to be met with failure. The future of Africa is just worse than what it currently is. African economies are not growing when you look at how devalued their currencies are. Africa will always be the toilet of the world. World powers invest into Africa for geopolitical competition not investment. Africa is not doing a China, not by any stretch of imagination. Afrocentrism is such a joke. Many Africans like you deceive themselves by thinking that Africa could ever measure up to the rest of the world. It won’t. Never in a trillion years.

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wirinet:
Not every one enjoys a better standard than us. That only applies to the highly or moderate educated Americans. Poor and non college educated Americans have poor standard of living. Many Nigerians who go and are unable to work with their certificates have really tough lives. I know some people (graduates from Nigeria ) that do 2 to 3 jobs just to survive. One told me, 4 of them rented a self contain apartment, because the monthly rent for a self contains is as expensive as a yearly rent in a 3 bedroom apartment in a suburb in Lagos.

Even the poorest westerners have access to amenities that most Africans don’t have.

KingAzubuike:
Lol the problem with you people is that you seem to generalize things. An American can visit ikoyi or banana island in Lagos and go back to tell his people Nigeria isn't that bad, people are living good. Another can land in makoko, mile 12 or ikotun or even nassarawa and maiduguri and go back to tell his people Nigeria is a very dirty country filled with filth and poverty and also filled with bandits and dry land.. Majek was probably at the wrong place at the wrong time . See everywhere can't be good, in any country on Earth, everywhere can't be 100% perfect. So always learn to see different perspectives before passing judgments. You can go to Michigan and come back to naija and say America is a poor country filled beggars and the media is just hyping them. Another person can travel to Las Vegas , Florida, Chicago or newyork and come back to give testimonies of how America is a beautiful country filled with sky scrappers and buildings towering into the heavens. It just depends on how we view things.

isthatso

Relative to Africa, America and the Western world is heaven.

hermesprogidy:
98% of Americans cannot afford a $400 emergency. Am not joking.

It’s a lot better than Africa where they just leave you to die.

Kennydoc:
You're extremely ignorant. I don't know if you've lived in America before, but you lack knowledge of what you're talking about. You're just quoting useless figures up and down without sitting down and doing a little calculation.

What is the cost of a used 2005 Toyota Corolla in America? Let's say about $4k. For a minimum wage earner in the US who works only 40 hours per week, it will take him about 4-5 months to buy the car with his whole salary.
In Nigeria, the same car probably costs about ₦1-1.4m. It will take a minimum wage earner in Nigeria about 3 years to buy the same car if he's to save up all his salary.

Americans and people from other developed world live on credit because they acquire the best quality (often newest) products. Some of them can't afford such if you ask them to pay cash, but their counterparts in Nigeria can't even dream of them in the first place.
A brand new Samsung Galaxy Note 10 is around $1k. An average US worker can afford to buy the phone with one salary and still have enough change to sort out his rent and other stuff. How many average Nigerian workers can afford to buy a phone of about 360k from one salary? Absolutely NONE! The credit system in the western world means they don't have to pay for everything cash, but can pay in bits over some years still leaving enough cash to sort out other pressing needs.

In terms of housing, the quality of residential houses in Nigeria that can remotely be compared to the average American or European houses are probably the houses in high brow areas in Abuja, Lagos and other big cities in Nigeria. How many average Nigerian workers can afford to live there? Even junior doctors who work in government hospitals in Nigeria can't afford to rent 3 bedroom flats in Maitama, Wuse, Asokoro etc, yet these are some of the top 20% highest earning Nigerian workers.

The fact is that compared to the quality of life in the developed world, many Nigerians are not even living.

Even the high brow areas of Nigeria still have third world problems