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I am not Igbo but try and read with an open mind I think the fate that Igbo's are suffering is the handwork of their rulers who traded the yearnings of the populace with the minor political appointments.

During the 1st republic Tafawa Balewa contested, Awolowo contested but what did Igbo's do they(Azikwe) went under Tafawa Balewa as number 2 citizen,  fast forward 1979

2nd republic Shehu Shagari contested, Awolowo contested  what did Igbo's do they(Alex Ekwueme) went under the North again as number 2 citizens , fast forward 1992

3rd republic During the 1992 elections the front runners were Umaru Shinkafi and Adamu Ciroma (N.R.C) and Shehu Musa Yar'Adua and Olu Falae (S.D.P) where were the Igbo's probably waiting for number 2 post again before IBB disqualified oldbreed politicians.

Forward 1993 During the 1993 elections the candidates were Bashir Tofa (N.R.C)and M.K.O Abiola (S.D.P) where were the Igbo's they (Sylvester Ugoh) went under the North again.

As a result they have been taken for granted that we would always give them something

You know it was as a result of M.K.O palaver that the south west had a shot at it.

Now the south south becauseof its agitatation is ahead of Igbo's in the pecking order now

Imagine Yar'Adua uses 8 years and Goodluck if he behaves well uses 8 years then power to the North for another 8 years before coming South Probably South East that is 24 years wait!!

With people like Orji Kalu who are now not afraid to stand alone the future is bright for the IGBO's. Igbo's should stand alone and not let the ruling parties use them to gather votes and later give them minor posts instead form a party of their own and vote for it massively and stay with it. It would be better to be an opposition that to be in the ruling party without any say in the governance.

I am sorry if I offended anyone with this post just my feelings

Yeah the 3rd term was the most notable followed by NEPA, and interal security

I think the Ijaw people should forward their report with video evidence to the Hague and pursue it to a conclusion

Yeah OBJ killed people/commited genocide/ ethnic cleasing in Odi and Zaki Biamand the treatment meted out to Charles Taylor,Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosevic and other Serbian General should be given to him
When people on this forum like ijogbon and backslider now attempt to justify itmakes it more irritating I pray the Odi teatment would be given to their villages in Nigeria Since they are not in the country their relations would benefit from the govt/soldier gesture

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Re: Good Things Happening In Nigeria
« #154 on: May 17, 2007, 10:53 AM »  

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Please start the story from the beginning.

How come the 12 policemen were killed? Who were they there protecting in the first place?

I sincerely beg to differ on this issue. I was in the Niger Delta at that time and regularly travelled the road between PH and Warri on which Odi is and I totally observed what happened. I do not condone it neither can I judge it. The youths of Odi (Or somebody in Odi) killed those 12 men - who have families, and homesteads and villages. Did you expect the Federal Government to stand by while the sovereignty of the Nation is assailed by a few incompetent 'nincompoops' ?

Moreover there have been precedence in other parts of Nigeria and indeed the world. No NATION will stand by held hostage by a few ignorant peasants (Not the entire Niger delta obviously !!!! Just the ones who think they can kill other people and then flee into the bushes while their entire kindred is decimated). That is what is called WAR.
Odi was a WAR zone. Now any arguments? Is there anything that happened in Odi we have not seen in other war zones around the world? Iraq, Afganistan, Kosovo etc. I do not condone it, but when you scratch your nose with the head of a cobra you should have the venom antidote at hand.

Obasanjo did not start it. He finished it.

Stop whipping up unnecessary

ijogbon (m)   Re: Good Things Happening In Nigeria
« #182 on: May 18, 2007, 05:13 PM »  

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My kind Sir.

I see you are passionate about the Odi issue. I sincerely apologise for my insensitivity, you might have lost loved ones in that event.

I suspect you are from the Niger Delta and you therefore more than anybody should know that the so called Struggle has been hijacked by simple minded criminals !

Saddam was killed because he didnt have the guts or the decency to KILL his f**king self, Bush did him a favour. (Note they convicted him for the killing of Men and Boys in a town after an attempt on his life, not the Kurd issue, if I remember correctly)

What I was trying to point out was that though the particular issues escape me now, I know back then the start of the Whole Odi issue was based in criminality. I think they were robbing banks and summin like that? I am not sure perchance you might want to remind me.

And Yes. If some FOOL decided to make my life hell and KILL some soldiers, well, I would appreciate it if the government gave me a few days (Like was done in Odi) to get as far the f**k away from there as possible. Before they do their job.

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« #155 on: May 17, 2007, 10:55 AM »  

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You don't Kill a Soldier or a Police for No Reason at all Your area will be treated as a different nation or a Secessionist nation.

This was done in other places also not only in Odi. NEVER KILL A SOLDIER OR POLICE NEVER DO IT YOU PUT THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA AT RISK. GO AND ASK THE PEOPLE IN BENUE. A FRIEND OF MINE WAS VERY ANGRY THAT ASOLDIER COULD BE KILLED THAT WAY AND THEIR BODIES DRAGGED.

I have friends in the Military in Naija and they are very angry to die at the hands of a Civilian.

personally if you kill a soldier in a given locaton and i live there I will move away from that place immediately because i know true Soldier always protect their own irrespective of the tribe they come from.

Ok

Agbakoba is not dumb unlike Bayo Ojo who would go to ask OBJ for the interpretation of the law and constitution before taking action.

OBJ is not ugly only that he didn't complete the stages of evolution; Australopeticus, Homo Habilis, OBJ He wasnt patient to get to the homo sapiens stage

Dayokanu writing through my friend sleekdot

I don't have any quarell with Madejibo as long as he fulfill his word he said earlier which I would quote below

BUT LET US SEE IT IS JUST A PITY THAT I LL BE IN ABUJA ON THE 29TH OF MAY I WOULD HAVE INVITED You FOR A PARTY
BUT IF You GOT TO REACH ME FOR A DATE TO CELEBRATE KOROS EVENTUAL VICTORY CALL MY OFFICE JUNE 1ST ON 01-8738611 ASK TO SPEAK TO KENNY MY P.A. FROM NAIRALAND WE LL FIX A DATE FOR OUR CELEBRATION AND IF KORO LOOSES I AM READY TO DROP ONE MILLION NAIRA (I AM DEAD SERIOUS) CALL THE SAME NO. OK,
TILL YHEN I REST MY CASE

CHAO

So friends let us move forward in Lagos. Lagos doesn't want to join PDP but want's his right from the govt so that is what we are campaigning for.
Femmylangy and others, to be serious now, Can you give suggestion on how we can make Lagos better?
Anytime I go to Abuja I keep saying Lagos can never be like this Abuja is beautiful and peaceful because of its low population When Highway managers clean the road in Abuja it stays clean but if you do the same in Lagos I give you 30 minutes maximum and see what it would be like.
Lagos is so small in size and the influx of people into it from all over nigeria is awesome. 60% of secondary school and University graduates from the South west, East and South South move to Lagos without anything in mind to do they just beleive a miracle would happen in Lagos so how can proper planning take place? Is it possible for Lagos to shut its borders to immigrant?

Politics is over.Now lets give suggestion on how to improve Eko Ile

I am just wondering; Peter Obi was reinstated because he had an unserved mandate which he has used some months of so he would be leaving before other governors right?.

But look at it too Andy Uba too has a "mandate' though Obi's mandate predates Uba's own could Andy Uba now argue that He too should be made governor in 2010 after Obi? So Anambra now has it's next two governor Or what do you think?

dont try sexy naija,i met a girl there last year,she had a beautiful voice and lovely pic too,but my man shes damn ugly.good luck in your search

Abeg leave the guy alone! Which of you would decline if someone was foolish enough to sign that kind of contract with you; that would allow you to suntan at the beach with semi naked chics by your side and make loads of hard currency

And please don't mention Buhari because he's a religious bigot! He killed journalists via retrospective decrees

Can you recount what happened to Mrs Funmilayo Kuti and the unknown soldier scandal. You can't compare a military and a civilian govt a military govt was not elected so is not accountable to anybody. Was it not during OBJ military regime that he promulgated decrees to kill coup plotters and even ordered the killing of Mrs Kuti cos Fela criticised him. As a civilian he can't do it blatantly so he devised covert means like (Harry Marshall, Bola-Ige, Dikibo e.t.c)

If you follow Nigerian history well, you'll remember that OBJ was a big part of the Murtala Muhammed administration.

Muritala's regime different because how many people associate Diya with the misdeeds of Abacha regime?,
How many of you associate Aikhomu with the misdeeds of IBB?,
or how many people credit ATiku for some of the percieved OBJ's good works?
A deputy is a dormant post particularly
OBJ was very dormant during Murtala's regime Some deputies are active like Idiagbon but not OBJ
so when OBJ was given his own tenure after the murder of Murtala how many people remember what he did? but they still remember Murtala before him and Buhari/Idiagbon after him.
Buhari was known for bringing discipline though in the military way

Where is the joke? I cant see it
You now see how hollow the man is without those entourage of advisers. This man ruled Naija for 8 years no wonder we no develop. When he comes to the media to speak those are the kind of rubbish that fill his brain and he vomits out regularly.

@ The one,
You forgot one of the major achievement of Olusegun Frankenstein Obasanjo notably Odi town
Also OBJ left the educational syatem worse than he met it ASUU strike every time till now Varsity students are at home Well How can he ever value university education when he never attended one couldnt pass JAMB

@ Obasanjo2
A president failed in Education, failed in Power Supply, Failed in security provision and he is still the best we have had.hear yourself. without education we have no future as a country, without power no industry can function well. without security we are all better dead. We have had Buhari and we have had Muritala though their regimes were very short but Nigerian knew they were the face of change

@ Denex we love our country and we can't leave it for the likes of Frankestein Obasanjo we would speak out until our country is liberated

@ The one,
You forgot one of the major achievement of Olusegun Frankenstein Obasanjo notably Odi town
Also OBJ left the educational syatem worse than he met it ASUU strike every time till now Varsity students are at home Well How can he ever value university education when he never attended one _{couldnt pass JAMB}

A president failed in Education, failed in Power Supply, Failed in security provision and he is still the best we have had.hear yourself. without education we have no future as a country, without power no industry can function well. without security we are all better dead. We have had Buhari and we have had Muritala though their regimes were very short but Nigerian knew they were the face of change.

@ Denex we love our country and we cant live it for the likes of Frankestein Obasanjo we would speak out until our country is liberated.

You mean alphabetically arrangement

According to official records Osaze should be one of the oldest Super eagle older than Aiyegbeni, Utaka etc
Aghahowa was a police sergeant as at Nigeria 99 aged 19 I wonder how many years it takes to make Sergeant in police. Where are the U-17 guys that went to Trinidad 2001 Opabunmi set all of them have retired when they should be 23 years old. So who are we deceiving Taiye Taiwo has always been a regular feature at Pako stadium in Iyana Ipaja since the mid 90's now he is 22 years old He played for Gabros and Lobi stars before going to Marseille at the age of 20 guess he must have played Local Pro league at age 14.

Some under 17 players have played local league for 5 years so they started playing like age 11+

My Prayer for Mamajama

And I pray the next Odi masacre would be in Mamajama's village where all your family in Nigeria reside so that soldier would kill all your brothers and rape all your sisters because some miscreants in your area killed police. So that you would come to Nairaland and applaud the president
AMEN

I obviously think there is a misconception of what I am getting at here.
My attack on Wole Soyinka has nothing to do with the death of Ige, but everything to do with the resolution of him and his fellow Nobel Lauretts in far away USA that our elections should be cancelled.
On Soyinka supporting Utomi, that public declaration, which only exists on the pagesof the newspaper, came only when Atiku's chances of taking part in the election was looking blique. If you you followed Soyinka's comments in the past 18months you will know where am coming from.

On the Ige issue:
Go to the thread "Bola Ige killed by drug barons" I have refused to post anything there reason being that as much as I have never denied my love for OBJ you can't obviously exonorate him from the death of Bola Ige. If you do not blame him for masterminding the death of Ige you must blame him for failing to unearth those behind the death of a serving Atorney General of Nigeria. Though I do also think if OBJ actually masterminded the death of Ige then that is such a shame as it will be a school boy act from a General. He should have known that with the then political atmosphere he will be held responsible for whatever happened to Ige.

Politics and leadership is full of intrigues, sometimes lower officers or lower politicians in the rank of leadership tend to errorneously anticipate the desires of the head and execute some unnecessary acts, sometimes even the opposition could attack the enemy of the President to blackmail him, sometimes enemies of the President could be killed by the normal social vices. But trust conspiracy theorist they will always see the political undertones and sometimes the President might even be blackmailing himself more by trying to deny it, in times like this the best option is quiet diplomacy. OBJ should not have commented openly on the death of Bola ige last week since he is the no.1 suspect.
For me I am not going to place any prejudice on the deaths of Ige, Marshal harry, A.K.Dikibo, Rimi's Son when I have no proofs to back them up. I will keep an open mind until investigations are complete and no outcome will suprise me including indictment of OBJ.

Everybody in Nigeria knows that the elections was just too bad. every body rejects it except OBJ, Iwu and the beneficiary, even NBA is protesting, Labour is protesting, EU rejects it, the international community rejects it all stakeholders reject it, they are debating on it in House of rep, yet OBJ and his cohorts say we should manage the charade.
A trailer load of ballot papers intercepted in Kaduna, Deputy gov caught with ballot boxes in Ondo, 100% turnout of voters in Anambra, River Akwa-Ibom e.t.c, PDP won a seat they didnt present candidate . anybody with any sense of justice would reject the election results. And Soyinka joined in the condemnation based on what he witnessed during the election and the poster says he should be brought to order- The Bola-Ige way?

Ibom power plant or Zamfara power plant the reality is that we sleep in darkness perpetualy in Naija

I think the originator of this thread deserves a nobel prize for senselessness.

McKren,
Wole Soyinka replied to OBJ's attack on Bola-Ige What has that got to do with Atiku?

What happened to McKren or is another person using his ID. cos Mckren of last year used to be a very reasonable poster that I always look forward to reading his post, the McKren of this year can not even differentiate between Atiku and Bola-Ige what a shame. How come you now join psychophants like Mamajama, wa do moi e.t.c to praise every OBJ action even for killing Ige and coming out to insult a dead man why did he not say those stuffs when Ige was alive he would have heard the beffitting reply he deserve for the Cicero knows how to reply fools. Maybe you should go for a recess to rediscover your old self.

For your info Soyinka did not support Atiku he supported Utomi.

Mamajama is not worth replying, let him sit in the US and tell us in Nigeria to rejoice and applaud the insecurity in Nigeria where he lives in US, To manage El-rufai while in America Wolfowitz who committed the same offence has to go,We sleep in darkness everyday and he has light in America, He would advise us to manage the April charade of ballot fixing.

If Bola-Ige, Dikibo, Harry Marshalls Funsho Williams and others were your uncle or your immediate family member I know he wont talk like that

And I pray the next Odi masacre would be in Mamajama's village where all your family in Nigeria reside so that soldier would kill all your brothers and rape all your sisters because some miscreants in your area killed police. So that you would come to Nairaland and applaud the president
AMEN

What do you mean that Soyinka is not respected in his community? What is dignity in reforming the chaotic traffic case in the country then

@Mamajama
Seeing all the rubbish you write from day to day I cant but reply you
Soyinka came out to criticise OBJ for casting aspersions at the person of Bola-Ige that he does not know his left from right. Is that your own basis for judging Soyinka, He worked as road safety chairman and was never caught to be fraudulent so what are you talking about? Did Awolowo not work with Gowon Military?
So OBJ that has no scruples and is blaming an assasinated man who cant defend himself should be criticised why didnt OBJ send him out of his govt instead of killing him?

He who keeps quiet in the face of tyranny is either a coward or a traitor
and kongi is neither He was one of the most vocal critic of the despotic Abacha and OBJ
Kongi one on the greatest intellectual Africa has ever produced.
@ Poster You know the words of a wise man are nothing but foolishness to the empty headed so no be your fault.
See who is asking the question Check his/her signature. Are you not the same ABCDEFGH who post on the politics thread some weeks ago? Now you have a new name Impostor!! Add all the grey matter of your generation its not equal to one -tenth of Soyinka.
I am sure you have never been first in any exam in your life including nursery school now you can ask what/who A nobel Laurete thinks he is

Look out for some hemp smokers that they would bring out
Did they deceive you sure they didnt deceive me

He failed woefully!! What happened to the millions spent on Turn around maintainance of refinery $900million 1n 2000 we still import every drop of Gas in Nigeria, What happened to the millions spent on National I.D card where are the cards if I may ask, What happened to the millions spent on Census we were now give a fraudulent result computed in Aso rock, What happened to the millions spent on s[b]ELECTION[/b] given the fraud that we have in return, What happened to electricity, never been this bad, what happened to security if UNKNOWN drug barons can kill minister of justice and after 7 years no solution just like UNKNOWN soldiers did to Fela's mother

The outgoing president of Nigeria Olusegun Obasanjo has stated the the late attorney General of the Federation was killed by drug barons.
The questions are now; How did he know that drug barons killed Ige, Did the drug barons come to Aso rock to confess to OBJ, Then why have the drug barons not been caught or did the drug barons come from Heaven to Kill Uncle Bola?

When Lagosians decided that they dont want OBJ and PDP Is there a crime in that

@ Ijogbon Why was saddam executed? Because he ordered the killing of Kurds. whom he claimed supprted Iran during the war.
OBJ now sends soldier to Odi to clean the whole town because people in the town killed soldiers/police. How is that different from Saddams case.
If in your area some people killed police people. The best thing for govt would be to send soldiers to kill everyone including you and other people who are innocent right?
OBJ should be given the saddam treatment after May 29.

One of the GOOD things that happened in Nigeria under the OBJ administration

On the pretense of smoking out the alleged assailants of 12 policemen in Odi, Bayelsa State, President Olusegun Obasanjo, ordered the Nigerian Army to embark upon ethnic cleansing with the singular purpose of teaching the Ijaws a lesson. The army totally destroyed Odi, killing, maiming and raping over three thousand innocent and defenseless women, children and men. President Olusegun Obasanjo bears responsibility for these crimes against humanity committed on his orders during this invation.