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This is another lesson on why NL girls should always put their pictures on their profile and be lady-like in the way they talk. One day, it might just be their turn! Of course, although it is common knowledge, Ibo ladies can not do without Yoruba guys (we still love and keep our Yoruba women) and I am speaking from experience. If you want a good loving man, you better look for a Yoruba man, that way you can avoid all the sad stories in the romance and family section.

noblezone: It is very ironical.

When we say some part of Delta belongs to Biafra, they open teeth like vampires, but in matters like this, they remember and even "support" Biafra!

Biafra is dead, Effiong signed the document that formalized the capitulation, destruction and death of biafra! People like you were the types suya'ed in those days and I think you will make a good suya - obstinate goats usually make the best suyas, you know. If you said Ibos are in Delta, well that could be true, because Nigeria is still one country. However, when (if) Nigeria does divide, ibos would have to go back to their lands. The only lands you may get from Delta is if the people who are deemed to be natives and living on the border between SE and SS vote to be classified as SE, that is the only proviso. Otherwise, it would be said that the Ibos who were in Asaba were chased out in 1967 - 1970 and that is partly why Ibos always cite the Asaba massacre. The only thing they like to hide is that the massacre was started by a fo.olish ibo man who attacked the commander of the Nigeria troops right in the presence of his army. This is the definition of bravery by ibos and they got the response to their stupi.dity. The commander did not die but I am sure he taught some ibos are big lesson they will never forget as long as the earth remains! Now cry me a river!

mysticgal: Really please tell me more

What more do you want to know? You are a hypocrite!

This is why kidnappers should be killed on first trial! Most Ibos (and sadly some SS) folks are usually the ones that are usually doing this kind of terrible crimes!

This league of hard core thieves were Ibo, Yoruba and Edo / Benin of those days. Benson Iyamu was Edo, Anini Same. Oyenusi was Yoruba or so? There were also Ibos too and I can come back later with exact names. Capital punishment needs to be re-introduced for crimes like these, kidnapping, armed robbery, murder, high corruption, drug smuggling, oil bunkering, terrorism, gun running or smuggling, etc. Fraud must carry long jail terms of dozens of years and for big fraud, capital punishment with complete forfeiture of all assets. No plea bargains again.

Funnily and curiously, it is Ibos who are criminals today! In fact, they boast openly about it most of the time that they are very bold and most courageous people in Nigeria.

I know some people cannot wait to attack me now! Sorry, I am gone from my computer!

bloggernaija: That is our history.
That is our heritage.
Many of those homes are over 800yrs old.

UNASHAMEDLY AN ODUA STATES NATIONALIST

Blogger, I think you meant 800 but there is a typo. Kindly fix!

[quote author=Omo_Tier1]The truth is, SE is living in self delusion and if they think they can feast on the wealth in SS, then they must be living in fool's paradise. With all the noise they make, you would think when the wealth of Nigeria is analyzed, their region constitute about 70% of it, whereas the reverse is the case.

It is now ever clear why whenever there is issue with Federal allocation, none of the SE states are able to pay salaries of the state employees!

With the year on year massive investment in roads, schools, hospital, water works Edo state is witness, should this continue for another 10 years, no doubt the state will witness huge surge in economic activities.

I have always wondered why most of the mega industrial projects embarked upon by private investors recently are hardly in the so called 'INDUSTRIAL' states of the country [/quote]Spot on! It's really gratifying to see Edo State up there...showing up the way on how a state should be viable! The IGR/Total Revenue is indeed very impressive! This is a more accurate way to measure who is "hardworking" and planning for their people and state. Carry go joor...see you folks at the TOP!

MajeMedia: This is the two different cultural philosophies in practice for anyone doubting my theory that igbos believe in less tax and less government to produce more private participation.

Example of Igbo Republicanism in Nigeria


[size=16pt]Cost to Register a Business Per State[/size]


http://www.doingbusiness.org/data/exploreeconomies/nigeria

So business registration fees is now the reason why the IGR of SE states are mostly the lowest in Nigeria? Spin it again until you spin out of control! LWKMD! The SW continues to attract huge investments and businesses based on requirements that are well-researched and standardized and used all over the world! You want to be like New York City but you don't want to make the kind of investments NY makes or demands from its people? It's funny, assuming if your post is true, it shows that even for almost free (aside hidden red-tape in the SE), investors would still rather pay a mere 50K in the SW to run a profitable business in an organized society with some of the lowest crime rates in the country! That alone is an indictment on the SE and their myopic ways of life! At least you now accept your IGR is low and you have to find a reason to justify it! LWKMD!

[quote author=Omo_Tier1]Breeze don blow... fowl yansh don opeh oohhhh

Now it is more obvious why most people from South East always want to claim South South! With this data, the South East is time bomb waiting to explode, because their so called industrialization is fluke and they are only deceiving themselves.

See my Edo State generating nearly N19bn, ranking far above all of the South Eastern states in IGR. We only need purposeful leadership for the next 15 years and our IGR will increase by 10 folds.

Let the chest beaters continue to beat their chest in deceit. Now wonder they can afford to construct massive schools, hospitals, water projects, like you see happening now in Edo, Lagos, Ogun, Jigawa, Rivers and Kano.

Time will always reveal the truth.[/quote]Yes, Omo you're spot on! That is exactly why the need to continually lay claim to the SS (because of their oil wealth) or what exactly will the SS gain from the SE that they cannot do themselves, I mean in the REAL sense! Yes, they call them "lazy" today but the "industrious" people are the ones who are lagging behind the so called "lazy" ones! The Ibos have their eyes on the oil wealth of the SS and they will surely do nothing than transfer that oil wealth to build their lands and when push comes to shove, tell off the SS! The Ibos had a single objective of unitary government back since the days of Zik and the so called "nationalistic" Zik was only true for as long as an Ibo was the one in unitary top authority! Otherwise, how do you explain away the fact that no other part of Nigeria accepted unitarianism but Ironsi assumed power unconstitutionally (and he went ahead to promulgate his useless decree 34) when he knew he was in power and surrounded by mostly Ibos at the very top.

If SS were ever conned into any arrangement with the SE, they will overwhelm you eventually, claim that they developed your states (not your oil wealth or the labour of the natives which dates back to since God know when), in fact if you want to know what Saturday will be like look at Friday. If the SS wants to know what a future Ibo country will be like, look at what it is now! The SE is clearly lagging behind but here they are already changing the goal posts saying it is smaller government, less taxes! Even if all Ibos do is to gain 40% of the economic opportunities of the SS, the SS would have already lost several millions of jobs and billion of dollars to an ungrateful SE. The jury is out anyway and it is left for everyone to make their best decisions!

MajeMedia: This is the result of the two philosophies and why igbo land looks the way it does.

You are obviously deliberately spinning the debate and topic in your self-chosen direction to satisfy your ego and come up with justification for the abysmal economies of Ibo SE states. That said, those buildings in Yoruba land were built in the 1700 - 1800s, MOSTLY! The Yorubas lived in urbanized settlements by the 1800s, go and check history! You therefore cannot compare those houses to the ones built by Ibos in the 1970 - 2000s! You already know that Yorubas outnumber Ibos in Nigeria alone by not less than 5 - 10 M but what you fail to mention is our cities are far bigger than Ibo cities! If you go to Ogunpa to go and take sample pictures to post on NL but you ignore that the first churches in those areas were built in the 1800s! You ignore Bodija, Oluyole, Basorun, Agbowo, Oju-Irin, Iwo Road, Idi-Ape, Jericho, Dugbe, Ashi, etc to post pictures from Ogunpa and Agbeni does not mean those places don't exist but you actually seek to misinform your fellow Ibos who prefer to hear and see the type of misinformation you posted!

[quote author=Okija_juju][b]Obi is a fo'sho governor..

In the course of his administration, he has handed out more cheques to people than all other governors put together..

He handed out over 30million Naira Cheque to Chikason for road construction
he handed out 200 million Naira cheques to 2 private Universities in Anambra for no apparent reason.
He handed out billions in cheque to the Anglican & catholic churches to rehabilitate mission schools
He handed out a 50 million Naira Cheque to saint Charles Bonnereo hospital


Infact, google Peter Obi hands out Cheques and see what you will get..

Thats why in my village, we call him Gov. Peter Donatus Cheques Obi.. [/quote]He is doing it to increase the IGR of the State. Plus, it is for less taxes and smaller government. I am sure you know what I mean.

agbameta: Low taxes and less government? Is this dude for real?

They prefer these mediocre clowns, but quick o blame other people for their problems..

That is the US Republican Party mantra or sing-song they are just copying! LWKMD!!

superstar1: God bless you Sloan. Don't be surprised when they contest the source and they will bring out some under the mango tree sources to back up their fictitious claims.

Thanks man! I know them very well.

Afam4eva: I'm insulting your ignorance and not you and you don't want to repent. Show us where the OP mentioned Igbo being an official language?

Where is the source? Not Wikipedia, I mean the official source in the post which is still absent? I know you must be so ashamed to have been so exposed but pride and emptiness cannot let you see it! Show me the "official" source oh "moderator"!

ontarian: Una see wetin I don dey talk since? Someone posted that Ibo language is this or that in Equatorial Guinea, and here we are wasting our resources debating it.

Even if Ibo is recognized as an official language( for the sake of this discussion), isn't it a credit to us as Nigerians? I was so happy when I went to Cuba and I saw them worshipping sango, ogun and all other Yoruba deities.

I am a Christian and I know what I believe. I am not Yoruba either. I am a nigerian and was happy that a nigerian culture/religion was being practiced in far away Cuba.

As Nigerians, we should celebrate anything nigerian. No matter which part of the country it comes from. Likewise, we should mourn with those who mourn, irrespective of their tribe and religion.

We are damn too tribalist as a people. Na wao.

And you live in Ontario, Canada? Do the Canadians build their advanced economy which you proudly co-opted "Ontarian" by make-believe stories that are not backed by factual data? Your should be so ashamed of yourself! Did you ask for official sources for this information or you just read the topic, saw the Wikipedia entry and that is "official"?? If you were educated in Ontario, you should have your certificate withdrawn and deleted as I am sure no university worth its salt in the most remote parts of the world (let alone Canada) would accept a reference from Wikipedia as "official". Except of course, I know you accepted because it massages your ego, makes you feel more important or panders to that false sense of larger than lifeness of the ibo. That is why you hear things like "Ibos are doing well" whereas everyone and people in Nigeria doing so well on a world scale are the last to even respond directly to any question if they are doing well or not. Would you ever see the likes of the Americans, Canadians, British, etc or even the people who are ahead in Nigeria ever make a statement of how "they are doing well"?? I think the genetic make up of the ibo is mortally flawed!

doc sholz: Sorry to ask when did allocation become part of IGR?

I gave you information + link, I cannot read the table for you! I am talking only about IGRs here and you can read whatever else you want but that is the focus here only!

Finally, all the data is up folks! The floor is open for you to analyze and interpret the data.

Here, I will elucidate on the key points and I enjoin debaters to speak from facts only! Do not derail the thread with inanities.

This represents the latest statistics (2012) from the CBN, the FG's most complete source of financial information with data sourced from appropriate government departments. The focus is to answer, from published data once and for all, the leading states in terms of the Internal Generated Revenue, a key measure of the domestic economy of each state or a measure of the earnings coming from the economic activity within each state.

From data, Lagos (non-oil producing, South West Nigeria) clearly leads all the other states of Nigeria. Next, is Kano (North), Ogun (South West), Rivers (South South) and Oyo (South West). All revenues from these South West States have no 13% derivation components because they are non-oil producing states. This is the basic top 5 economic centres of Nigeria as at 2012 Official Statistics from the CBN. It is interesting that if you made the analogy of the best 11 of Nigeria, the South West and North make up 10 out of 11 with Abia (SE) squeezing in only barely ahead of Gombe! I think the north deserves a bit more respect from the rest of Nigeria especially the people who insult them the most from the South of Nigeria (no need to mention names).

Now it gets more interesting: the crown jewel of the SE of Nigeria Anambra, comes up abysmally short at number 21, soundly beaten down by Osun State (SW) and Ebonyi (one of the last states created in Nigeria). This either means the touted productivity of Anambra is either imaginary and non-existent or the state is cooking its books and stealing its people and nation blind by not declaring tax revenues and consequently stealing it or the leadership is inept and unable to be accountable to the people and the nation. It is specially important that the oft-derided Osun State is doing better economically than Anambra.

It is important to mention Delta State because recently some NL have lopsidedly touted it as being somewhere at the top of the Nigerian economy ladder - a falsity given there is no data that supports it and no mention by the official data of the CBN. Delta State surely takes a lot of billions in allocation revenues but the internal economic activity is completely abysmal coming it at a ridiculous 29 out of 37! It means without its oil revenue, it cannot survive or depend on the human resources and their creativity to regenerate and sustain its economy.

Finally, I must mention that while Ekiti is doing relatively okay, it needs to do a whole lot more! The South West MUST not find ANY excuse for not being at the top of any ranking! Yes, Ekiti may have been created last night and having no oil revenues, fine but we must strive to put Ekiti so far ahead and we Yorubas want it up there neck-in-neck with Lagos only! Yes, believe it and Lagos, oh you're pushing the limits and we commend your efforts but it still not enough for us! We need you to be competing neck-in-neck with New York and London! Ondo State has done far worse than Ekit, with no oil revenues! Again, it shows that presence of oil does not imply the presence of good management and effective intellectual resources! Ondo, we YOUR PEOPLE cannot accept your position struggling at the bottom of the pile, some people may accept that but NOT US! I urge US South Westerners not to bat an eye lid until we wake-up to the fact that our fathers did not run an empire for over 500 years huffing and puffing at the bottom of the pile! Ondo get your game on, please! To all of us, I say see you at the TOP!

Seth89: what is special about Equitorial Guinea?

No man, don't make it about EG (though I get your point). Check the distribution of the people of EG, you will see that there are lots of people there who are in higher numbers. But let us keep this on point until the "official" source is provided from the government of EG.

Summary: Ratio of IGR/Total Revenue for 36 States + FCT of Nigeria. This analysis compares the level of revenues from domestic economic output to total revenue. More is better!

Here is an except directly taken from the report. Note, the mentioned key states!

Recently, there has been a lot of furore about IGR of the states of Nigeria. I would much prefer to keep my exposition brief but post data directly from the OFFICIAL CBN 2012 Annual Reports and you can make that of whatever you want but I will make separate posts to drive home my observations! I urge people who feel they need to come into this debate to speak from facts ONLY, not emotion or unrelated history. If you are a voracious, curious reader and want to drink directly from the firehose, knock yourself out, here is the link:

http://www.cenbank.org/Out/2013/RSD/2012%20Annual%20Report.pdf

django1: Afam4eva don enter yawa. Lol Lol

Notice Afam4Eva and NO IBO has responded with official sources (not Wikipedia editable by anyone with a computer), yet he (or whatever ignorant person) took this to the FP to misinform people! This is a service to his fellow Ibos who are usually quick to jump on things like these without hardly thinking or asking any probing questions. Up till now, they've not responded but they will term you a "hater" for not being a sheep led around by the nose!

Afam, I'm still waiting for your link. Pistol, you are already seeing my asking you to show me factual data as "hatred" but that won't make this question go away! I wonder why Seun allows NL to continually depreciate in quality by the quality of debate and information on this forum. It was not so in the beginning!

Afam4eva: Can you show me proof that idoma is recognized as a Nigerian language?

This is not about Idoma or Nigeria: show me from the official source of the government of EG that Ibo is an officially recognized language! If you can't say it plainly, and if you can't this thread is a gross mis-information, a total disservice to NL and everyone who might have learned wrongly and not probed for the truth. Tell me directly, here is the link: www....! Show me now!

POPE II: Exactly: there's no igbo version of their constitution, national anthem etc . Igbo is just a lingua franca in the markets .that's all

I get your point but it can never be lingua franca when they do not even constitute a majority of the population! In a market, you speak the language the buyer wants and is comfortable speaking and not the other way around! Ask for a link, goddamnit, don't just believe everything you read! Wikipedia is NOT a link, I can go right there and add "Fuckall" as a language there and come to post that BS on NL!

Afam4eva: Are3 you ignorant that you don't know the meaning of "Officially recognized"?

Where is the official recognition because I hope you don't mean to pass an entry in Wikipedia as "official". You are a moderator, so you should be less ignorant that Wikipedia is NEVER an objective source of information! Yes, you could use it as a quick source of information you need to find out in a hurry but you can never cite it as official. So, show me a source from the government of EG if you have it. If not, this post is thrash and gross misinformation! It is at best an attempt to falsely inflate the ego of the average emotional Ibo who panders to his frail emotions than facts. Now show me a real link and put this issue to rest oh moderator because you certainly know better than to put a topic on the FP when it clearly provided no objective information!

bigfrancis21: Nobody is saying that other Nigerian languages are not also spoken in EG by Nigerian immigrants. They are, however, only Igbo out of all of them is officially recognized by the government of EG as a national language.

Its a simple logic.

You asked for a link, have it:

Languages of Equatorial Guinea:

Igbo language is a recognized language of EG.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Languages_of_Equatorial_Guinea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Languages_of_Equatorial_Guinea

Sorry, that is NOT an objective source! I mean a link from the page of the government of Equitorial Guinea? Are there human beings who still do not know that Wikipedia is edited by anyone who has something to add, so you can basically write anything, and that is often you will see "citation needed" for any key facts you mention? This is why Wikipedia is NEVER accepted as source in any thesis in any standard university on the planet and I schooled in North America, NOT UNIVERSITY professor or supervisor will ever accept a source from Wikipedia! While I was in Ife, you could never cite a source on Wikipedia so, NO it is NOT an official source!

I had already seen the Wikipedia entry but I gave you folks too much credit that you would be smart enough not to cite it as an "official" source!

pistol: Your hate will consume you.
I now believe this yoruba antagonism towards anything igbo is jealousy and envy.
Tufiakwa.
Why can't you just scroll past if you don't like the news or it makes no meaning to you.
Tufiakwa.
Mind you,
Unbridled Hate kills faster than Aids.

Why not post the link if you have it? How is it "hate" to ask for factual data or are you an illiterate, slowpoke dumbass ni?

sir willy: Hello readers, there is a difference between "officially recognised" and "spoken" languages. That Igbo is one of the officially recognised doesn't mean that people speaking hausa, french, spanish, yoruba don't reside and speak their language there. For all those SW and N regions citizens trying to derail this topic, think twice. If you don't like the topic, it's either you delete your nairaland account or you go and meet the EQ govt to make your language officially recognised. Besides, you find igbo people in US but their language is not officially recognised there.

Where is the source of the information because the OP forgot to post it. Do you have the information? Share if yes.

I wonder what the standards for FP material are these days? Did anyone notice that a 2-line statement without any verifiable source by the OP was posted and in a jiffy, it's on the FP? Where is the objective source of this information, we shouldn't live by hearsay!

ckc: I wont go to any link. I am telling u frm the country's direct site that Igbo is officially recognized and mentioned. Hausa and Yoruba weren't mentioned. That i travel to say USA and decide to speak my native language there is different frm an officially recognized country lanuage. Hausa and Yoruba might be official in some countries but not Equatorial Guinea.

Hmmn, interesting but why not provide the link?

Note that people will speak whatever language they know and I hope your aim is just to start a thread to tell Nigerians that Ibo is spoken EG and nothing more? In any case, there are many more people in EG that Ibos and it's great to see they speak many languages. Here is a sampling of the peoples of EG: