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Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 1:55am On Jul 24, 2023
Lotanna2:


A sentence of imprisonment or sentence of fine sir.it is conviction as a convict is either imprisoned or fined.yiu don't know law so I don't blame you
You are on point.
Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 1:54am On Jul 24, 2023
Penguin2:

Then tell Tinubu to tell the Tribunal that the fine is for red light.

Sha remember that you lots denied the existence of this case when it came out. Now you are analyzing the degree of its consequence.

Same way you denied that Tinubu had Guinean Citizenship, only for Olanipekus to go to court and say that “once passport expires, citizenship expires.”

THE $460K WAS NOT A FINE WHICH MADE IT A NON CONVICTION TRAIL BUT A SEIZURE.
Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 1:46am On Jul 24, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
Hehehe..



Source: Cornell Law School..
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/civil_forfeiture



Thus,, for him not to prove himself NOT-GUILTY as required by Law,, then, he remained Guilty..
This is a niece piece that actually cleared Tinubu rather than nailed him. It shows clearly why USA didn't see him as a criminal as they understood people may fall victim if being in custody of drug money. Once they establish your innocence the USA government just seize the money first until you prove to them that the money eas not illegally obtained. .Since it dawned on Tinubu that the $460k was illegally obtained by the drug criminal that put it I his bank account he did not contend for the money not to be seized

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Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 12:21am On Jul 23, 2023
Penguin2:

Look at the encircled again, did you see anywhere the constitution said the fine must be criminal in nature?
Did the circle part not referring to Nigerian law? Was the forfeiture made under Nigerian law?. Also, the next section says any conviction must have happened within the last 10 years. This happened 30 years ago. So even if Tinubu was convicted he was now free to contest since the 10 years status bar was over
Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 12:13am On Jul 23, 2023
seunmsg:


In a criminal matter arising from a trial and conviction.
Don't mind replying to the Obidients again. Firstly, this was a case in USA which the prosecutors who had all the details of the matter didn't convict Tinubu and they have officially established that in 2003 through the response to IGP Tafa then. The USA forfeiture case was to allow govt take the money belonging to the drug criminal that he put in Tinubu's account. This is after they have established that Tinubu was innocent in the entire saga.
Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 11:56pm On Jul 22, 2023
sharpsecret:
so what is the 460000 dollars fine for? nothing concern us with the money...if you forsake 5k to frsc for traffic offense...why did tinubu pay a fine up to that amount
It was a forfeiture and not a fine. The USA government seized the $460k belonging to the drug trafficking criminal that put the money in Tinubu's account. Tinubu was not fined as it was established that he was not involved in the narcotics biz. So the hovt filed a civil case to seize the funds I Tinubu's account.
Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 2:22pm On Jul 22, 2023
paramakina202:


So traficking narcotics is not criminal and dishonet in nature?
That is the reason why the drug lord should have appealed the forfeiture since he was trading in a legal substance that is not criminal in nature.
The US prosecutors who tried the case and had all the facts already ruled that Tinubu did not commit a crime. That is what matters. And they opened a civil case for the forfeiture of the $460k which they already determined Tinubu has no hand in it as he was not among the actual criminals who traded in drugs and put that funds in Tinubu's account. All the acrobatics or conjectures by Obi's lawyers and any other interpretation on the matter by a third party is just an academic exercise. Moreover in 2003 President Obasanjo mandated the IGP Tafa Balogun to contact the USA online matter and they wrote back that Tinubu didn't commit a crime.

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Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 2:02pm On Jul 22, 2023
BERNIMOORE:
that's a strong point, I think the Obi Lawyers are actually doing a diligent work here, ....I have read over and over again the submission of the Tinubu group about the forfeiture,and I discovered that they have only been flogging over & over again their own interpretation, mere guessing & often imposing their own views on the Matter, but we all know that the case itself, and of course the res of the case, actually originated from a criminal proceeding, and since it hasn't been challenged to mean otherwise by any Court of jurisdiction, it can only humbly concluded that the case still sits on its originating status...that is ''criminal case''
You are partially right in the the primary case was of criminal nature. Investigations revealed that the criminals kept $460k with Tinubu who was not counted as one of the criminals. Typically the prosecutors approached the court to seize the funds and expectedly Tinubu raised no objection to the request because the money was not his. It was a civil case and fully determined and it is not at originating status. I believe that the primary criminal case end as well and the criminals jailed.
Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 12:28pm On Jul 22, 2023
Okwyjesus:


If you're way no pure you go sharp sharp ignore the forfeiture.

But if you sure say you pure , you will want to clear your name and integrity.

That's how innocent people approach injustice
In this particular case Tinubu knew he has been put on trouble by allowing his bank account to be used for receiving drug money. He was thankful that they didn't find him culpable for criminal offence. So, in this case Tinubu chose not to sue the government because in their records he had not committed a crime that would materially affect him which is why he could freely go to the USA and the USA ambassadors in Nigeria used to pay him visits even as a private citizen. Do you think USA will allow his officers associate with someone with a criminal past, especially a Nigerian?
Politics / Re: Tinubu Never Challenged Forfeiture Order - Peter Obi Tells Tribunal by solreb: 12:16pm On Jul 22, 2023
Penguin2:

The question is was VIO supposed to charge you a whopping N5million for mere traffic offense?

And this is a wrong analogy because Tinubu’s (not his bank account) offense was clearly written in the charge sheet - he was charged for narcotics. There’s nothing comparable between this and traffic offense.

Now, not only was he charged, he was ordered to forfeit a whopping $460,000 dollars and he never protested against it if he was truly innocent.

No legitimate hustler will allow the court confiscate his $10,000 dollars without threatening fire and brimstone, not to talk of when the money is above $400k.

Is Tinubu a Father Christmas?
You need to understand the source of the $460k. The funds belonged to his uncle with whom he stayed while in school and new in the USA. That person and others were the ones involved in the narcotics biz. When the funds were traced to Tinubu's account, the authorities seized it. However the investigators did not establish that Tinubu was involved in the narcotics biz in anyway which is why he was jot prosecuted criminally. So, it was up to the uncle and not Tinubu to challenge the seizure.
Politics / Re: Unverified: Justice Ugo Resigns, Citing Demands To 'kneecap' Democracy. by solreb: 2:09am On Jul 20, 2023
helinues:
Source?
@jackson ude, the peddler of fake news on twitter.

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Politics / Re: Peter Obi Failed To Show He Scored Majority Votes, INEC Tells Court by solreb: 7:15pm On Jul 19, 2023
Amah70:



If a software develops a fault while you are working with it on your computer, will you resort to the discarded typewriter to continue the work knowing full well that the typewriter cannot process the job?
You must stop the job until the software issue is rectified; of course, you must annull whatever results thrown up by the faulty software.


Corollary, Mahmood Yakubu should have no business resorting to the discarded system of manual collation of votes results when he saw his computer glitch or whatever. He should have stopped collation of votes results until the glitch is rectified, knowing full well that no reasonable person will accept the results he prepared from manual collation which the Electoral Act of 2022 discarded.

You got it wrong. Manual collation was never discarded. Manual collation is how all the candidates were pronounced to have won. IREV was more to ensure transparency and prevent rigging at the collation center should there be a discrepancy between what what recorded at the PU and transmitted and what is announced during collation.
Politics / Re: Peter Obi Failed To Show He Scored Majority Votes, INEC Tells Court by solreb: 7:05pm On Jul 19, 2023
danijesus:
he brought the original pu results...you didn't follow the court case
I follow the case and I now that he brought some results in boxes and dumped them in the court. His job was to present them in a summary sheet to show how those original results make him win. To my knowledge and acclaimed by both APC and Inec he failed to do that.
Politics / Re: Peter Obi Failed To Show He Scored Majority Votes, INEC Tells Court by solreb: 11:56am On Jul 19, 2023
Amah70:
It's only a baby who cannot see that Alhajis Bola Ahmed Tinubu, Abubakar Atiku and Rabiu Kwankwaso, shared the votes of their religious and ethnic constituencies and made Peter Obi win the last presidential election in Nigeria with a wide margin.
INEC on observing earlier that Obi was leading by a wide margin yanked off the system for electronic transmission of vote results of presidential election; concocted votes manually to pronounce Tinubu president-elect.


Yet your OBI could not bring to the tribunal the original PU results his agents got and prove that he won. Or at lest showed how many votes that INEC "alloted" to Tinubu that should be deducted. He failed to do this. It is the available result that is transmitted. So, if INEC failed to transmit you bring your original results to prove your case. Very simple. The reason why Obi did not do that is because he knew he did not win nor have any evidence to show INEC alloted votes to Tinubu.

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Politics / Re: Peter Obi Failed To Show He Scored Majority Votes, INEC Tells Court by solreb: 11:47am On Jul 19, 2023
Igwe9:
INEC also failed to prove how Tinubu won an election
You missed the point. The onus is on Obi to prove that Tinubu did not win or prove how he, Obi, won. He did neither at the tribunal. Obi has taken the Obidients for a ride.

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Politics / Re: Peter Obi Failed To Show He Scored Majority Votes, INEC Tells Court by solreb: 11:41am On Jul 19, 2023
DoTheNeedful:
A lot of Obidients thrive on conspiracy theories, lies and misinformation. Unfortunately, many unscrupulous elements are feeding on these weaknesses to grow their social media and YouTube following e.g. NedMedia.


We have been telling them that Obi didn't prove anything in court for the court to rule in his favor. He has not been able to show the court the number of votes that he was deprived of, the number of votes to be subtracted from Tinubu's and/or Atiku's votes. He has also not shown how the non-transmission of the votes to electronically has affected him. If you are familiar with court judgements about elections in Nigeria, you would know that these are usually the things judges base their decisions on.

I can bet with everything I have in this world that the court will not deliver victory for Obi, maybe a rerun at best. The very intelligent ones among the Obidients know this and that is why they are looking into disqualifying Tinubu based on other technicalities like the so called Shettima double nomination and so on.



The court will not also grant a rerun, because there is no basis for it. Obi and Atiiku just came to waste the court's time and entertain their followers. I know form the onset that Obi went to court just to still be relevant to the Obidients and for them to hang on hopeless hope. Obi is very wicked to take the Obidients for a ride.

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Politics / Re: Peter Obi Failed To Show He Scored Majority Votes, INEC Tells Court by solreb: 11:35am On Jul 19, 2023
Feintline:
Political party INEC is dumb.

With all the compelling evidences of over voting, blurred results and actual results poured out by the super intelligent legal team of Podatti, shameless , disgraceful , fraudulent and disgusting yakubu inec alongside hired political propaganda medium , premium times are still vomitting saliva.
Have you heard of the phrase "the law is blind". It means that it is what you present at the court that the justices will rule upon and not what is reported in the news media or eye witness accounts. The court gave opportunity to both LP and PDP to bring evidences related to all that you alluded to above and they failed to do that.

Instead of you to accept the reality, you were attacking the news paper that reported the INEC final address. Bolded is the key information for you to digest. Perhaps that will cool you down. *“Petitioners neither pleaded nor demonstrated at trial any unlawful votes of the 2nd respondent (Mr Tinubu) to be discounted from the computed scores of the parties.

“… And did not present any lawful vote to be added to their own. This clearly shows…failure to lead any evidence to support same.”*

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Politics / Re: LP Replies Tinubu Over Threat Of Anarchy, Reveals Next Move by solreb: 2:21pm On Jul 18, 2023
TheRealestGuy:


Did Tinubu win 24 states? undecided

The Constitution says 25% in 24 states.

Tinubu and Obi both won 25% in 24 states.
That Obi had 25% in 24 states above must be your own record from the dreamworld. It is better you go get your record straight.

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Politics / Re: LP Replies Tinubu Over Threat Of Anarchy, Reveals Next Move by solreb: 10:13am On Jul 18, 2023
maintenant:
Nigeria has a federal constitution which stipulates that for a candidate to emerge as the winner in the first ballot in a presidential election, they must garner at least 25% in FCT in addition to 25% of votes in at least 24 states.

That is the law with a manifestly unambiguous provision.

We cannot the rules of the game midway in the process....

We have to set a precedence that impunity and self-help will eventually be pushed back...
That is your own interpretation. The matter is already before the court to interpret so chill when the justices will throw your interpretation out of the window
Politics / Re: LP Replies Tinubu Over Threat Of Anarchy, Reveals Next Move by solreb: 10:11am On Jul 18, 2023
maintenant:
Shallow-minded views...

The US uses sundry state caucuses to select party flag bearers of the two major political parties in addition to the electoral college.

The requirement of getting 25% in Abuja in the first ballot will only consolidate our democracy so keep your narrow-mindedness to yourself.

You should go and take a more balanced look at the provision of the constitution: the 25% in Abuja requirement does not apply in a runoff...

In any case, the law is sacrosanct and must apply...

Nigeria is bigger than any desperado...
You were using USA party flag bearer ((primary elections) selection to compare a general election requirement. That's not right. You should compare apple to apple. In Nigeria, it is the party's prerogative how they select their flag bearer in line with their constitution. And that is by the way, it is Nigeria Constitution that will apply here and the bone of contention is the 25% vote of FCT which every sane person knows that it is absurd to give FCT special treatment so definitely the Tribunal will rule in favour of PBAT on this. Olanipekun has put forward very sound points that cannot be overlooked.
Politics / Re: LP Replies Tinubu Over Threat Of Anarchy, Reveals Next Move by solreb: 9:55am On Jul 18, 2023
Iamgrey5:
In my years alive, I have never seen a more brainwashed set of people than the supporters of labour party.

Firstly, the problem been referred to here is the likely pandemonium the 25% in Abuja debate if ratified by the Court will create for future Elections.

> It will elevate Abuja voters above all other states in Nigeria.

> It will go against the constitution of Nigeria that states all votes cast in Nigeria are the same because it will mean casting your vote in Abuja is more important than casting it in Akure, Onisha or Kano.

Secondly, a runoff doesn't itself guarantee that the winner of the runoff will still get the 25% requirement in Abuja. So will we simply continue to go for runoffs until the winning candidate get 25% in Abuja even if he gets 25% in all the 36 states of the federation.

Furthermore, this will put a weird spotlight on the democraphics of Abuja in future Elections which might create an ugly situation. Politicians might just import people from other states to make up the 25% in Abuja which might create an unwanted national debate in the future. Tribes will begin to fight over who should be allowed to vote in Abuja etc.


In conclusion, Tinubu's lawyer in his final written argument to the judges is only pushing his legal points with real life likely scenarios that might
Sam1d2 post=124492213:
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come out of the judgement.
Excellent write-up as to picture you painted with respect to future anarchy and chaos it will cause at election periods if FCT is given special status and elevated above all the other states. That is the chaos and anarchy right there and that is what the eminent lawyer Olanipekun is alluding to which the Obidients in their shallowness or mischief twisted Now, your first sentence clearly defines who Obidients are. In fact I am taken aback that LP as a party will issue this kind is statement when clearly it is a standard court process for a lwayer to bring forth arguments or pleas before the Court so that the justices can rule in the favour of his client.

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Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 5:06am On Jul 18, 2023
43Ronin:
did not win Lagos, PHC, Abuja & Kano how d he'll did you become president. INEC should nor bring Nigeria this low abeg.
It is not compulsory you comment on a post if you don't have a graspl of what is being discussed. Now let me educate you. To become president in Nigeria, you must have the highest votes and 5obtai 25% in at least 2/3 of the 36 states and FCT. Tinubu's camp is saying FCT is like any other state and as such it is 2/3 of 37 states and not 2/3 of 36 states and 25% of FCT which Is the position held by Obi and Atiku. Should FCT have a special status such that to become president you must score 25% in FCT is the bone of contention which this post is all about. It is the written address of Tinubu's lawyer to the Tribunal that contained the words "anarchy" and "chaos" that has been twisted by the OP's headline as if it was Tinubu that said it. I am sure yiu didn't read the address.
Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 4:47am On Jul 18, 2023
jaxxy:


Obi no fit loose. Na make tinubu get sacked and try rubbish.

The judiciary must follow the constitution and law.
Obi knows he has already lost even before he started the Tribunal charade just to give a hopeless hope to the Obidients and remain relevant. He sure knows how to press the mumu buttons of the Obidients.
Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 4:38am On Jul 18, 2023
rummmy:
This man and Mr yakubu should be on jail by now.
How can one man select another man for over 200m people?
I don't understand.
You said you are a president and almost every one is against your presidency so how did you win if not fraud.
As per those against PBAT's presidency, you are speaking for the Obidients and not Nigerians because we voted him into power.
Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 4:31am On Jul 18, 2023
Dunionk30:
Is it Wise for a President to say This ?

I thought Judgement are given by Judges base on Justice .


Na Waooo ,Sentiments ,Pity is not Law and Justice ooooo
Did you the entire original post where PBAT's lawyer, Olanipekun, gave his address? It is very possible you read only the sensational headline of the OP. Please go back and read carefully then comment. I am sure your comment will ve totally different than what you have just written here.
Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 4:30am On Jul 18, 2023
zinaunreal:


😆😆😆 they said go to court. We go court now them dey talk anarchy 😆😆

Coward yorubas wey no get one single strength. Them lucky say north and foreign powers backed them during the war. We for just level lagos . Nonsense. anarchy what? My friend nothing dey happen
Did you the entire original post where PBAT's lawyer, Olanipekun, gave his address. It is very possible you read only the sensational headline of the OP. Please go back and read carefully then comment. I am sure your comment will ve totally different than what you jave just written here.

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Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 4:29am On Jul 18, 2023
Vitally123:
Which chaos? Abegi, someone should stop the unnecessary intimidation, “Shakara…!” When the tugs were snatching the 2023 ballot-boxes, why didn’t the beneficiaries call them to order? Who didn’t see the level of violence, ethnic profiling and mutilation of electoral result documents, during and after the 2023 general elections? How about those killed and maimed before, during and after the elections? How about the shops, properties of non-indigenes destroyed and still, being destroyed in Lagos? Oh, someone thinks the world was not watching? How about the required academic qualification for the office holder? Oh, the minimum qualification is for the poor only, and not for the top office holders? How about inconsistent bio data? Oh, someone still thinks age is just a number? How about personal conduct: past, present and future? Oh, someone calls it “Youthful exuberance and smartness and doesn’t matter in life? The word of God is explicit! “Young man, enjoy your youth, but know that there will be a day of reckoning” (Ecclesiastes 12: 1-14). How about twofold or more nationalities? Oh, someone calls it “International networking?” There are rules for everything in life. How about the various reality shows brought to the court? How about the constitutional requirements of majority votes and 25% total votes in FCT? How about the 2022 Electoral law reforms as approved with BVAS, iRev immediate upload? Did anyone forget that the most recent is 1999 constitution as amended, and Not 1979 outdated / redundant constitution? Please, wake up; but too many moral burdens to be swept under the carpet, before the entire world! However, it will only make sense to quietly step aside than intimidating anyone; and so, let the peace of God rule in our lives! It is often said, “Who comes to equity must come with clean hands”. Process is very important in everything in life. God bless Nigeria!
Did you the entire original post where PBAT's lawyer, Olanipekun, gave his address. It is very possible you read only the sensational headline of the OP. Please go back and read carefully then comment. I am sure your comment will ve totally different than what you jave just written here.
Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 7:17am On Jul 17, 2023
ginggerxy:
you will understand better if anything happens to any Igbo person. You will understand
Why did you pick out only Igbos?. What about other tribes including Yorubas that voted for Obi. They can go to hell. One can then infer that Obi's presidency is IGBO's agenda and only seemly hope for SE to rule Nigeria which is why Igbos want to die there even in the forthcoming glaring defeat at the Courts. Nite this that Obi can never be president of Nigeria because he doesn't just have it He can't even become the president of Biafra where Kanu and Ekpa are calling the shots. Only spot left for him is to be senator in Anambra or Twitter/Threads president where most if his followers live.
Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 1:24am On Jul 17, 2023
happney65:
"I like Obi,but his supporters are unruly and abusive. All they do is to abuse people,yen yenyenyenyen".

This is Tinubu threatening the Judiciary but you won't see them utter a word.

grin
Hey. Ho and read The body of the post and not just the headline. Tinubu was nit threatening the judiciary. His lawyer defending him in court wrote this in his address and that is standard court process. I am amazed that all the Obidients never bother to read to understand and will quickly jump on sensa8posts to comment.
Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 1:12am On Jul 17, 2023
Psoul:
I thought his lawyers maintained that he scored 25% votes cast in FCT. 🤣🤣🙆😆🤷

Go to court. Now you're crying. Go and beg Obi.
His lawyers never said he scored 25% FCT. That assertion was coming from one of the several Obidients sensational news outlets.

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Politics / Re: Tinubu To PEPT: Nullifying The Election Over 25% FCT Could Cause Anarchy, Chaos by solreb: 1:08am On Jul 17, 2023
Guynexttdoor:

But truth be told he's against the constitution, he has no right to judge. To me he's indirectly presiding over case. While he's not the judge.

You have.limited yourself to the sensational headline without reading the body of tge message before commentin. I think it is better you read the address that Tinubu's lawyer made to the Tribunal which is his arguments before the court. What the lawyer did was the right thing to do. Tinubu was not the judge and he was not instructing the justices. His lawyer was making a plea before the Court why they must rule in favour of Tinubu. I believe that helps

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