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ASS-NAL FANS, please consider this quote from football365 -

However, both Chelski and Liverpool can at least take one comfort from Ferguson's barbs - i[b]t is a measure of just how far Arsene Wenger's Arsenal have fallen that Fergie didn't even bother to mention the Gunners[/b] or his time-honoured adversary.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_2115442,00.html


Now I dont blame you guys for firmly holding on to history. Its all you've got.

@loyika

"I'm sure he understands that winning and losing are twins and you have to deal with them in the right way. If you win, you don't need to gloat and, if you lose, you don't need to go bananas about it. You have to accept defeat - we all suffer them. And he has done that this time."

Nice interview here;

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2074324,00.html

So the sir knows how to give good interviews and would not gloat or victimise opposition hey?
Well why dont we have a peak at this -
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_2115442,00.html

A clear attack on two chelsea players - Ballack & Shevy and on Liverpool.

Well to be sincere i dont even mind the attack. He just maybe right about those buys and I sincerely hope liverpool goes ahead to loose the finals. Some how i feel sad for ASS-nal fans Fergie did not even bother mentioning the arses -

However, both Chelski and Liverpool can at least take one comfort from Ferguson's barbs - it is a measure of just how far Arsene Wenger's Arsenal have fallen that Fergie didn't even bother to mention the Gunners or his time-honoured adversary.

from thesame link.

cheers and congrats!!!
PS: DO NOT EXPECT THE FA CUP

@Salvage
It is really nice to hear. Thanks.
What cities are they currently in? My folks at PH may want to migrate to its cheaper options - they've been complaining of DSTV's ever-increasing prices.

i have just looked and the links and seen babs787 among other statements refer to our salvation as -

Is it that one promised by Paul to lazy christians like you that you should just believe and you will be saved?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-51734.32.html#msg1100541

I would prefer to give him a benefit of doubt since he has not shown such lately.

@Salvage
Your link does not confirm most of the claims you made. Please where did you get most of the information. A source confirmed the spanish la liga screening but the EPL packages but still remains your word.

Agreed the DSTV pricing is expensive compared to HITV, but the packaging is superb. The fact that you can instantly know the menu (and a short explanation of each programme) for most of the channels is worth praise. There are a lot of features and services DSTV offers that HITV can not presently. With creative and efficient management, however, HITV may get there in about five(5) or more years. So right now I dont expect much from them.

How much are the equipments?

Will DSTV cease to show live premiership matches?

@babs787
I would go through your links and send replies but it may not be soon but would try my best. I suddenly have a tonne of stuff to do and heading for a meeting over the weekend. Please bear with me.

One thing i'd like to know is if you really want to gain knowledge from all this or you just feel you are doing yourself(and/or your religion) a favor by questioning (purposedly used a more diplomatic word) christianity. I also consider the fact that i too am biased due to religion but i am sincerely researching, studying, asking and replying - or so i think.

We also are engaged in two threads (bible contradictions) That may slow down too. With your indulgence in every thing anti-christian i seem to think you are fighting a battle.

Stay connected.

Cheers

Afam:
@Mckren,

Since you have tactfully avoided the simple questions that would have helped clrify the issues continue with your line of logic and let Afam be.

Rolling on the floor and laughing profusely
Look who is avoiding.

otokx:
I have my doubts, have you tried mytvafrica?

No i've not. Who are they?

I'm relatively new to this and have never been banned but with the stories i hear from so many banned people (and the reasons behind the imposed bans) I have come to wonder, i'd better stick to the status quo.

Erm, seun is a very nice guy. Nothing to hate about him

Also i was looking at the your author's claim that the bible is corrupt from deut 4:2 and jer 8:8. Cant remember his link, mistakenly closed it. Will search for it. but still this claim is simple laughable. Let me explain this one now -

Deuteronomy 4 (NIV)
Obedience Commanded

1 Hear now, O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

3 You saw with your own eyes what the LORD did at Baal Peor. The LORD your God destroyed from among you everyone who followed the Baal of Peor, 4 but all of you who held fast to the LORD your God are still alive today.

5 See, I have taught you decrees and laws as the LORD my God commanded me, so that you may follow them in the land you are entering to take possession of it.

Explanation - people are advised to obey exactly the commands God gave out and not disobey hence verses 3 and 4. When you disobey God you literally write your own commands - add to His. You can also explain 2 literally - dont add your own instructions to Gods written laws in the bible,

Jeremiah 8

1 " 'At that time, declares the LORD, the bones of the kings and officials of Judah, the bones of the priests and prophets, and the bones of the people of Jerusalem will be removed from their graves. 2 They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried, but will be like refuse lying on the ground. 3 Wherever I banish them, all the survivors of this evil nation will prefer death to life, declares the LORD Almighty.'
Sin and Punishment
4 "Say to them, 'This is what the LORD says:
" 'When men fall down, do they not get up?
When a man turns away, does he not return?

5 Why then have these people turned away?
Why does Jerusalem always turn away?
They cling to deceit;
they refuse to return.

6 I have listened attentively,
but they do not say what is right.
No one repents of his wickedness,
saying, "What have I done?"
Each pursues his own course
like a horse charging into battle.

7 Even the stork in the sky
knows her appointed seasons,
and the dove, the swift and the thrush
observe the time of their migration.
But my people do not know
the requirements of the LORD.

8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,"
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?

9 The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the LORD,
what kind of wisdom do they have?

10 Therefore I will give their wives to other men
and their fields to new owners.
From the least to the greatest,
all are greedy for gain;
prophets and priests alike,
all practice deceit.

11 They dress the wound of my people
as though it were not serious.
"Peace, peace," they say,
when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct?
No, they have no shame at all;
they do not even know how to blush.
So they will fall among the fallen;
they will be brought down when they are punished,
says the LORD.

13 " 'I will take away their harvest,
declares the LORD.
There will be no grapes on the vine.
There will be no figs on the tree,
and their leaves will wither.
What I have given them
will be taken from them. [a] ' "

Jer 8:8 (NLT)

How can you say, "We understand his laws," when your teachers have twisted them up to mean a thing I never said

Isreal disobeyed God and he metted out their purnishment (Deut 4 warned this). Verse 8 of the chapter shows clearly that even teachers (or scribes) were involved in taking the people astray by instructing things that God did not say. The verse's figurativeness is implied by the rest of the chapter and how you can link this to the fact that the bible is corrupt is absurd. These scribes did not rewrite jeremiah or any other part of the bible. They were then clearly stupid to leave this verse out. They instructed the people wrongly and encouraged their disobedience. Other part of the bible prophetical write-ups (isaiah, ezekiel, jeremiah) around this period confirm the facts.

If anything this verse warns what can happen on earth when a nation choose to disobey God.

I will not die of laughter. babs787, i actually went to the site you prescribed to see his rebuttals and the following are what I noticed -

I got to understand Jochen Katz's reason for not removing some contradictions. As far as he puts the link where these contradictions has been responded to by muslims, i see no problem. However this is one reason why i think they should be left on - I was looking at your guys answer to the first contradiction - Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/astray_rebuttal.htm I do not understand (or know how the author understands) which verses are meant for him and which ones are for all muslims. It makes God seem wrong. If you are sincere you'd know its not clear at all, even to you. So i'm still having problems, trying to understand a verse that i cant. My best bet is to do another research by searching another site or you could care to explain.

looking at his links on women, i can pick up a lot of cases where the author was misguided or plain wrong. There are however some cases i can not explain but will read through the passages in the bible again. Please reply my previous post (about nossycheeks) then we can talk on this very contradiction and the women.

@nossycheek
That is wonderfull. I knew the quran mentions the bible and Christ but i'm amazed how much it mentions and what exactly it says. Thanks

@babs787
Before going on to the contradictions of both the bible and the quran, do you care to respond to nossycheek's previous post on statements from the quran about The bible, Jesus and mohammed? Or would it be better for you to simply ignore it?

@Afam

It seems you lack home training as you tell lies without thinking twice, do you have any shame at all?

It is a very strong claim you make here that Chidichris was infact lying but you did not care to refute any of his numerous claims. Infact Chidichris took time to mention a lot of incidences, but this was the best you could do -

I am not a crowd follower, I am an independent thinker so the rubbish being posted by chidichris about Afam supporting those that other hate or praising those others condemn is a thinking that only comes from a mentally retarded human being.

To me that sounds like an excuse for taking the stand which chidichris outlined in details. Do you know the meaning of lying or implying that someone is a liar?

You should do well to check your language in future.

And concerning the rest of your post TayoD's reply was more than efficient.

I'm out of here.

@fynewaka
Seems we hurt your pride with your personal name calling reaction. Anyway it is uncalled for. I think Damose deserves an apology, dont you?

@fynewaka
As usual i have to contemplate before replying "know-it-all" ignoramuses like you. Should i or should i not? These thoughts keep coming.

Mourinho would have won his return leg against Liverpool if he were to be insightful. A drogba was marked out, a kalou could not find his feet, a Mikel that wasn't and has never been creative. Why not gamble in the same Boularhouz and let Essien move forward from defence and win your game? Shame unto this infamous manager who lacks the techincal clout to win a match as easy as that .

The game with ASS-nal last sunday should explain this one. Mikel has never been creative? Shut up and sit down, you've not watched a match in years.

A mourinho who does not have a long term plan, whose result is a win now and after that nothing, the truth is that this man lacks technical skills. Please go verify your info and not misinform us here.

You made a spurious claim about mourinho not havin a long term plan, can you care to prove your pointlessness?

Tell your manager the difference between wastefulness and prudence, he should borrow a leaf from United and things may just swing to his favour, who knows?

[center]Why dont we look at some manutd poor buys in the last four years-
[/center]
*Did not buy a central midfielder for 3 years
*Veron
*Forlan
*Liam Miller
*David bellion
*Mikael Silvestre
*Tim Howard
*Roy Carroll
*Djemba-Djemba
*Kleberson

[center]Lets look out how much they splash on players[/center]
Saha, Smith, Rooney and Heinze - a combined outlay of over 50 million pounds
Rio - 30 million pounds
Carrick - 18.6 million pounds

[center]Wrong sales -[/center]
Ruud - No one scores his tally for manutd
Beckham - No matter what you say about Beckham today, three things cannot be disputed:

* Manchester United sold David Beckham because Alex Ferguson had problems with him.

* David Beckham was in excellent form towards the end of the 2002-2003 season, and would have continued that form for United had he stayed.

* David Beckham (who is earning Madrid 25 mil per season) could have allowed Manchester United (thanks to his sponsorship deals) to buy a big (Ronaldinho, Gattuso, Essien big) player every year - just from the merchandise revenue his presence would have generated.

babs787:
@babyosis
I weep for your soul. Did I complain to you in the first place? Are you not the one that extended handshake when you felt that your falsehood has been exposed and you kept apologising? Never mind, you will explain them to me one after the other. Apart from the 101 posted then, I have another list with me here which will be served you one after the other.

@Pilgrim
I will be serving them to you one after the other and we will see who will run or beat about the bush
Stay glued.

While u are at it why dont we talk about the contradictions in the Koran.
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html

@SMC
ASS-nal is truly dead - No aspirations, No goals, No dreams, No need to contend - just look up at Chelsea and hope they fail.

Go through Afam's post in other islamic-related issues (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52087.0.html) and we understand his focus on Isreal through a shoddy journalist. We need not go further on this matter as in his head all he needs is anything whatsoever that says non-islams (especially christians, isreal and the west) are bad, bad people.

iincarnate:
what a site address! if u want to advertise your site, go straight ahead & stop all this ,

Simple, he wants to promote the web site. Browsing thru it, you'd find that its really empty of interactive users(members)
Anyway this is the vacancy

Company:
ICT Company (Unknown)

Position:
Trainee Engineer

Requirements:
B.Sc Electrical & Electronics Engineering from recognised universities
Minimum of 1 year post NYSC
Not more than 28 years

Interested applicants should send their hand written applications with their CVs including email addresses within a week oft his post to the:

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I hope they have good management so they can grow to be like DSTV because right now I dont think i'll trade my DSTV for it.

@K A G

Bcause the Big Bang, according to the theory, wasn't an explosion, but an expansion.

I stand corrected

That's not what he said, and he certainly wasn't implying that.

1. Please look up the link again. It is written clearly that the early part of the BB is speculative and different scientist have different speculations about it.

While, non-scientists and Creationists have the luxury of making up or "inventing without due cause" non-answers to cosmology and other sciences that deal with origins, scientist don't.

The bible does not go into great details of Creation and NO one will insert speculations into the bible to answer things the bible leaves silent. The bible simple states God did it and not necessarily how it was done. I think this points to something - We dont make things up.

So, the evidence shows: space, time, etc, were caused by the big bang; and at one point there may have been a singularity.

Most evidences are observational and based on theories not yet proved. Why are we going over this again? Yes there are evidences for it but i pointed out that there are evidences against it too. Some of the issues have been explained but not up to an acceptable level, since they depend on on assumptions, principles and theories that have not been proven. Most however, have not be explained at all. I noted all this.

Due to physical and other constraints it isn't possible at the moment to go beyond a certain point in time. However, there are some very good hypotheses for what was "before" the Big Bang.

Lets put it this way - Numerous speculations dont question them because smart scientists say so.

Einstein's theory of relativity has been shown to work and has testable evidence behind it. The others work mathematically, IIRC - that is evidence in its own right (although I think Heisenberg's goes further than that).

Sticking to the theories mentioned,
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle - was not accepted by Albert Einstein and some other physicist (such as Alfred Lande). The only reason why most scientist accept it today is

Whether Einstein's view or Heisenberg's view is true or false is not a directly empirical matter. One criterion by which we may judge the success of a scientific theory is the explanatory power it gives us, and to date it seems that Heisenberg's view has been the better at explaining physical subatomic phenomena.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

So if tomorrow this is proved empirically wrong, think of how many of their ideas - subatomic and cosmological - will go down with it. Maybe i can start a conspiracy theory about this

Einstein's Relativity Theory - It still has its issues. I'll give you just 2 sites (trust me there are many) to explain -
Theory is true - but not much said about it, so a forum discusses it.
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Einstein_s_relativity_theory_proven_with_the_lead_of_a_pencil

Theory is false - http://www.physics.semantrium.com/relativity.html

You can do your search for more.

I haven't come across some of them, but I do know Dark matter isn't an assumption and there are working theories for Baryogenesis. And so on.

Dark matter ( i think, from what i read before my last post) is not an assumption but it counts against BB. I think it is observed some where in space. Baryogenesis (again i think from what i remembered reading before my last post) is more of an hypothesis ( purposedly did not use the word "speculation" that explains stuff mostly in favor of BB.

Cheers.

@ricadelide
You are a source of knowledge. Even I am learning from your posts. Keep it up!!!

Mustay:
Arsenal has Killed them? What's d definition of kill please

[center]Definition from manure perspective[/center]
Anthing that is close to draw (against ass-nal) or penalty shootout (against liverfools). Please note: This definition holds for ONLY chelsea, for example we being battered 3-0 by ac milan or loosing both home and away to ass-nal does not even come close to "killing"

[center]Definition from ass-nal perspective[/center]
Anything that says - Thank God we have not lost to chelsea again! Note: So what if we've not won anything for two seasons in a row.

@babyosisi
The guy is clueless. To cover up his failed regime he seeks to appease the imams before he leaves and these so called "non-muslim notherners" are here acting like stooges.
How absurd and silly!

@babs787

If you are saying the bible is complete and without going to the number of books in the protestants and catholics bible, without making reference to Encyclopedia Britannica about the removal of some books, apocryphal books etc
, tell me why these verses are not in some bibles apart from KJV.

a.Mathew 17 v 21 (b) mark 11 v 26 (c) acts 8 v 37 (d) Mathew 17 v 21 (e) Mathew 21 v 44 (f) Mathew 23 v 14 etc

Do you even read the lettered subscript references of bibles ( they are mostly on all the page)? All i did was bring out my bible (which by the way has four versions in it) and i found the answers to your question. I'm guessing you just picked those up from a site without further research.

a)because the verse is omitted in many of the ancient manuscript.

b) Many ancient manuscripts add verse 26, ALL include this in matthew 6:15

c) Many ancient manuscripts omit verse 37 wholly or in part.

d) YOU REPEATED QUESTION A.

e) Some manuscript do not have vs 44

f) Some manuscript skip some add.


One thing with putting the bible up is that a whole lot of different reliable manuscripts are used. If something is omitted, depending on the number of the manuscripts were omissions exist these decisions are taken, i think.

One thing you notice is that whether present or not, the message is not corrupted and fundamentals in christianity are not affected.

Please look up on papyrus (ancient manuscripts)look up on it)

Once again i will completely stay of this senseless batter engaged in by the ignorant and innocuous fans.

These completely clueless ones seem to thrive off absurd ramblings forgetting it shows their complete ineptness and disillusion of the game of soccer and their preposterous hatred of the unbreakable bond forged by the hands of Mourhino in the Chelsea team.

We are with the carling cup, we are in the FA cup finals. We spiritedly fought on 4 fronts and fell short by a little margin. NO OTHER TEAM can boast of contending for four cups talkless of coming this far. ASS-nal cant boast of even being in contention this season.

ONE CHELSEA! ONE SPIRIT!
TRUE BLUE!!!

Danmasani:
Davidylan and all the rambling hullabaloo in this forum, Respect my tradition and way of living before you match words with me. This is not about discrimination against women or anything. It is a culture we Northerners have imbibed and practised for years. What is wrong if we insist to preserve our culture? For God's sack, it is only a veil, Not Hijab. Take an analogy, will u term the Eyo festival which disallows women from seeing the masquerade a discriminatory act? No, Neither will u complain when Ibos do same. A true show of double-standards is always in play here. Just like Christ said " Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Every self-righteous imp here can rant all they want, we'll live our ways they way we want to!

Oga, you've turned it into a tribal thing whilst calling us names already? Why did you not come out and say you were northern all along instead of masquerading as non-moslem. How you can compare this to a festival is simply laughable. Is everyone forced by law to actively participate in the festival? Haba oga, you are better than this now. Like Davidylan said, you are just on the defensive but i fear your so called defense is baseless.

I see you've accused us of double standards? What next - we want to annihilate notherners and their culture?

You are clearly biased in your views.

pearl2:
@somze. Where were u when we scored a record 7 goals against an Italian team?
The truth is Manchester United has played better football this season, and are deserving champs.
It would be a fantanstic feeling to have all Chelsea fans, players and that offensively, loud-mouthed clown of a manager of yours mount a guard of honour for us on weds night when we enter Stamford bridge.

Your final heartbreak would be in Wembley on 19th of May, when your so-called unprecedented Quadruple would be officially a pathetic Single despite your billions and profligate spending.

UP MAN U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have changed the game from by how much you lost heh?
You are devoid of reasoning or tactics but just keep jumping from one thing to other. I dont engage in such useless arguments. Sorry.

@ mazaje & Danmasani
Whether you are infact non-muslims is hugely debate-able. That however is not the point. The directive clearly infringes on a person's constitutional and human rights. I hope earlier post by davidylan and stimulus have proved that to you.

What would be the penalty if this directive is disobeyed?

I also think that schools should be tackled for forcing students to cut their hair or attend religious service.

@SMC
Sorry

@9ja4eva
Come on! You lost 3-0. Even the media had a go at you guys. Penalties can go either way, great teams have done poorly in penalties, i dont even need to start becuz i know you are not being objective but you want to raise another blind and ignorant war. Why dont you concentrate on celebrating your new title?

SMC is an arsenal supporter with a largely distorted view of the real world of the BLUES!!!

He also seems to be happy with arsenal consistent show of mediocrity for the third year in a row.