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Kukutente23:
You and Lukuluku69 and honesttalk21 keep equating commentary and exegesis for scripture. Even in Acts 17, Paul compared Yahweh the Hebrew God with "The Unknown God" being worshipped in Athens by the Greeks. This is why I told you that the worship of Zeus had ceased after Roman control since the Romans replaced Zeus with Jupiter. Does it mean Paul was saying the Unknown God was copied from Yahweh or vice versa? No. He was only drawing a parallel in terms of worship and devotion. He was asking the men of Athens to substitute the Unknown God for Yahweh. So when you take exegesis and commentaries as if they are scripture, you are simply confusing yourselves. Justin Martyr might have been drawing a comparison. It does not mean he was writing his own gospel. He could have even been wrong in his attempt!

That's a lie, its either you are ignorant or just plan deceptive, Christianity was just been formed, it was still at the early stage. and during this time a lot of Greek philosophy was greatly involved. from philo of Alexandria to Augustine of Hippo. the bulk of the new faith is 95 % based on platonism and Neo-platoism. since they have the Greek translation of the Tanakh, they were scouting everywhere for passages to pass of as messianic. Christianity did not start in Judea. there was no mention of Jesus throughout the first century.

Gabrielshow24:
😅 It's nice when God prepares a table before you, early in the morning as you awake. Such logical feasts are lovely😁.

I appreciate the effort both you and your LLM as put into this🥱but it still fails miserably. I say this for the umpteenth time, “the bible doesn't have such claim of supposed one language purity“; Ergo, appealing to it doesn't help you. The English is clear, your eisegesis is irrelevant! It makes its own claims which obviously shows the ’first believer’ failed to account for the hundreds of borrowed words😮‍💨.

We know he had all his enemies executed🥱as usual and we also have hadiths that depict clearly the words of the daughter of a poet alleging he plagiarized her father's works. None even needs to take such challenge serious as Satan did that convincely😅—the prophet didn't know any better. He was bamboozled 😅, this is a sign to us that he couldn't differentiate nor discern between jubril's words and those of Satan. Surely, he is no prophet! Jesus says my sheep knows my voice but unlike your prophet he didn't know jubril's words 🤧. Let's not also forget the error in the Quran by making Satan omnipotent 😅by dwelling the noses of the believers🤧.

You never truly read what is generated😅, this is the umpteenth time I have told you this. Your dependence on LLM is double-edge with most of the time it backfires🤤. Surely, such stories are bad texts and weak tales!

No ’old talk’ ways as ever been seen to use such non-existent idioms😅, even the prophet when addressing his wife used, “Moses is my Father and Aaron is my uncle“. He didn't tell his wife to say, “Moses is my brother“— an obvious ahistorical reference. But when it comes to Maryam, you all start ascribing this non-existent idioms to your prophet—How convenient? No where in the ’old ways’, do they use terms such as ’sister of Aaron’, ’brother of Moses’, ’brother of David’ without it being taken literally! If you have show us🤨. Stop with the lies. 🥱

The same way, a whole part is named after a cow🤨. I guess by your logic cows are more honored above all animals for a surah to be named after them—Stop with such scripts. You should know better that this don't work on me. This solely comes from your plagiarized book that didn't know any better. In the bible, many women were praised but unfortunately for you, it's only Mary you know has such claim😮‍💨. The truth of the matter lies in the fact that the surahs are not named after the ’greatest subject ’ contained within them with some exhibiting random names. Isa was mentioned many times but yet he doesn't have a surah after him. Such logic that surah naming means prominence is awful.

The Quran didn't know any better, it just cleaned the apocryphal tales it copied from—When I mean ’cleaned’, it should be taken as gleamed 😁and the statement above should be conceived as ’apocryphal tales gleamed on the Quran’.

It lost it idols, yet there is command to serve and kiss the black stone😳. The same practices done before your ... Fill in the gap, it shouldn't be hard for someone of your caliber🤧. The toned down excuse to return to the God of Abraham is amusing, may I ask did Abraham kiss any black stone? 🤨 You continue to amuse me with your logic. Obviously such claims to Abraham is just to justify their ignorant ways. History suggests Abraham never went to your city 😂. Pls, tell us another lie.

Abdallah was one of the scribes until he figured out that Mo didn't know any better as he added his own flare to it. There are times when he will exclaim something and Mo will immediately say, it was revealed as such🤨. Can you see his logic? No wonder he said that if Mo received divine revelation then he too receives likewise! That was someone close to him. The poet's works are still alive till today, some expressions used in the Quran are found therein. The fact his daughter challenged one of the prophet's wives that Mo plagiarized her father's works is evident. I can continue to write but time won't permit me, but it's enough to make the reader come to his own conclusion that Mo didn't know any better and just wrote(had them write) tales down! If you appeal to one western scholar then I can appeal to millions of scholars that affirm the Quran was formulated from oral traditions regarding Jewish and Christian tales among others 🤨. This is enough for the time being, if you commit other errors or fallacies I will add more😁. If you are under a ’sharingan’, I am not. I see clearly!

from Gemini

Greek philosophy, especially Plato and Aristotle's, profoundly influenced Christianity by providing a conceptual framework for early Christian theology and ethics, shaping ideas about God, the soul, and reality. Early Church Fathers, educated in Greek thought, used philosophical concepts and logical tools to explain Christian beliefs, leading to the integration of Greek ideas with Christian doctrines. This synthesis is evident in concepts like an omnipotent, non-physical God, the immortality of the soul, and the use of reason to understand faith.
Key Areas of Influence

Concept of God:
The Greek philosophical idea of a transcendent, non-physical, all-powerful, and eternal being was foundational for the Christian concept of God.

The Soul and the Body:
Greek philosophy emphasized the importance of the soul or mind over the physical body. This concept was integrated into Christianity, contributing to beliefs in the soul's immortality, which early Christians adopted from figures like Socrates.
Rational Inquiry and Faith:
The integration of Greek philosophy provided Christianity with tools for rational argument and logical thinking. This helped early theologians defend and explain Christian doctrines, thereby bridging faith and reason.
Theology and Doctrine:
Philosophers like Plato and Aristotle influenced the development of core Christian doctrines. For example, the concept of the Logos, or divine reason, and the development of the Trinity, show significant Platonic influence.
Ethics and Morality:
Stoic philosophy, with its emphasis on reason, virtue, and ethics, found resonance with Christian ethical teachings.

How it Happened

1. Hellenistic Context:
As Christianity spread throughout the Hellenistic world, many converts were educated in Greek philosophy.

2. Application by Church Fathers:
Intellectuals and early Christian leaders, such as Justin Martyr, used their understanding of Greek philosophy to articulate Christian beliefs to a wider, educated audience.
3. Synthesis of Ideas:
Early Christian theologians synthesized Christian teachings with Greek philosophical concepts, which proved to be a crucial step in the development of Christian theology and doctrine.

In essence, Greek philosophy provided a much-needed intellectual framework and language for the nascent Christian faith to be understood and developed by its followers and their philosophical interlocutors

Lukuluku69:
It is true that there were some Jews in Arabia before the message of Islam was preached. History had them their for between 350-400 years, and some historians placed them in Arabia when the Romans exiled them. Of the fleeing lots, some prefer Arabia for so many reasons, chief of which the fact that, Arabia because of it terrain is impenetrable to the Romans and also, the Jews believed that their Promised Messiah will rise from Arabia! So, also, is the fact that some Christians also reside in Arabia, but the question is: how effective was there Teachings on the Pagan Arabs? Remember that Judaism is not a faith looking for converts. You must be born a Jew! On a scale of 10, Christianity and Judaism scored zero on impacts in Arabia after centuries of being there, so the stories had to be retold to the Pagan Arabian who shared common ancestry with the Jews via Abraham.

Going by your logic, when Jesus mentioned Noah, was the story of Noah lost on his listeners? When his disciples referenced Enoch, were they doing it just for the fun of it?


On Zoroastrianism, I can see that you are utterly ignorant of that faith. But I don't/can't blame you. You are only parroting the centuries of brainwashing done on the African Christians.

Do you remember the Three Magis at Babe Jesus crib? They were Zorasatrians, and what were they looking for? A Deliverer and Reformer of their Corrupt Faith as foretold in their scriptures the Upanishad and Avesta. So, they came to check out Babe Jesus if indeed he was the Deliverer of their faith.

For you to say that God told Abraham to abandon the Persian Faith shows the level of your ignorance. Abraham was a Semite and was of the Sumerrian stock, or if you like a Hebrew: Someone from beyond the River Eber. He was never a Persian, and Abraham predate the Zoroastrian Prophet known as Zarathustra by at least 2,000 years or more, so how can he be of that faith?


A simple Google search with tell you that the Truine Godhead predates your Christian faith. If you don't know that, it shows your knowledge of world history. Try and get a copy of An Encyclopedia on World Religion on know of other faith.

Also, you don't know that Christmas, Easter, and Santa are of Pagan origin befuddles me. Even here in Nigeria, there are notable G.O. that says Christmas is of Pagan Origin. Kumuyi and Mountain of Fire people say so too, and they are filled with the Holy Ghost oo.

Lol

You said Zeus did not exist in Greek myths at the time of Jesus? Is that a joke or deliberate attempt to be ignorant? Greek myths predate Christ by centuries!

Gods have been begetting sons by the tons way before the Pagans foisted that idea on you Christians.

Use Google if you can not visit a library. It will cure many of your ignorance.

Justin Martyr compared Christian beliefs about Jesus, particularly His unique birth, suffering, death, resurrection, and ascension, to the well-known stories of the mythical sons of Jupiter in his First Apology. He argued that Christian accounts were not novel but were instead paralleled in pagan mythology, with Jupiter's "sons" like Mercury, Hercules, Bacchus, and Perseus serving as precedents for claims about Jesus. Justin used these comparisons to demonstrate to his pagan audience that Christian beliefs were not uniquely strange but followed a pattern familiar to them, despite his overall purpose of defending Christianity.
in his famous quote:
“And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter.''[b]

who they host the next one?
make we begin prepare now, our golden eaglets will form the bulk, lets make sure we groom them well

we started poorly in this one, well maybe nah punishment for our lackadaisical approach.
miracle still dey happen sha, we don dey 4-0 down before, equalize the match still win on penalties...

no wahala.

erniok:
Isa 53 that was about the messiah is a what again? I'm done with this conversation as you really need to understand prophecies.

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. and in so many places, Isaiah told you who the servant is. why do you still looking elsewhere. see Isaiah 45:1-7 and 41:1-9. the servant was Israel/Jacob. Isaiah 53 is not a messianic prophecy. it is a soliloquy by the kings of the earth.

erniok:
Isa 53 also happened since the prophet used past tenses right? This shows you know nothing about prophecies. The prophecies about the messiah in psalm using past tenses were also never about him.

Continue...

let us also look at Isaiah 53 shall we.

i will put it in perspective..without the verses. the whole narrative started from the last line of Isaiah 52.
lets check it out.

So shall he cast down many nations; [b]kings [/b]shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed. Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed? And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him? Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account. Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed.But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were healed.

i have removed the verse numbers for you to read it as it was written by Isaiah, it is the kings of the earth that are soliloquizing..when they witness the salvation and redemption of Israel. when they heard it...after shorting their mouth in disbelief, that is what they would now say. so Isaiah 53 is a soliloquy.

erniok:
Seriously? Did you read the scripture verse reference or it was a case of itchy finger.

let us look at the whole of Isaiah chapter 9, shall we, just the way Isaiah wrote it.

1.The people who walked in darkness, have seen a great light; those who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, light shone upon them.
2.You have aggrandized this nation; you have magnified the joy for them; they have rejoiced over You like the joy of harvest, as they rejoice when they divide spoils.
3. For, the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of the one who oppressed him have You broken, as on the day of Midian.
4. For every victory shout sounds with clamor, and garments wallow in blood, but this shall be burnt, consumed by fire.
5. For a child[b] has been born to us, a son given to us[/b], and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
6.To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.
7.The Lord has sent a word against Jacob, and it has fallen in Israel.
8.And the entire people shall know-Ephraim and the dwellers of Samaria-[the fallacy of what they spoke] with haughtiness and with arrogance, saying, The Lord has sent a word against Jacob, and it has fallen in Israel
9. "Bricks have fallen, and hewn stones we will build; sycamores have been cut down, and we will replace them with cedars."
10. And the Lord strengthened the adversaries of Rezin over him, and his enemies He shall incite.

that is past tense. if you want me to teach you English tenses, then you have to pay me. it means something that happens in the past.
the son has already been born and they know it is a male child who will be king, because he is going to sit on the throne sometimes in the future and during his reign, the people will be prosperous, because he would be a righteous king.

erniok:
Tanakh contains the prophets no? The scripture is referenced is a prophet no?

The Tanakh is from Genesis to Malachi.

please show me which prophet prophesied that God was coming in human form?
Because, Amos says in 3:7 'God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant, the prophets.
so which prophet prophesied the coming of Jesus.

erniok:
If Judaism d9esnt recognize it, then from what is the prophet talking about in Isa.9:6

It is referring to future king Hezekiah who was the sone of king Ahaz and he was heir to the throne. The child in question has already been born. Infact he was already close to 6 years old when Isaiah was prophesying .

gohf:
Why not share said scriptureS

By the way, hope you know what the septuagint is
Isa 9:6 LXX2012UK For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

The Septuagint is only the Torah.
But the passage is a reference to future king Hezekiah, who was a son of king Ahaz and a prince and heir to the throne of David.

erniok:
The jews knew that God was coming in human flesh because it is in their scriptures. Study the scriptures.

Please can you provide the exact portion in their Tanakh, where it says God was coming in human form. I will wait.

Chibuezem:
I knew it lol this human is not a Christain..... 😂😂😂 So sad well God is ever ready to make you His own.

Only the truth can set you free, but before that it will piss you off.
It is only the seeker that has always denied the truth, the truth haS never denied the seeker.....

One step at a time bro, one step at a time. Milk for babies like you, meat for adults like me.....

Hhh4444:
Not me. The last place I existed wasn't this evil,toxic,selfish and wicked. I could feel it even when I was a child.

Humans just became more evil and wicked.

i think religion is to blame. it is the one bringing division amongst us and making us see ourselves as enemies.

Chibuezem:
Yes God is one in three persons 😍


If you like sing your opinion from January to December, use Ai and go to the Tibetan monks for spiritual guidance you cannot falsify the truth which is..... God in three persons 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙏🎉❤️

it is your business.
God is consciousnesses....it cant be divided.

God is not a man or human being. several times the prophet reminded the people.
it is a pagan idea. There is no truth. it is an insult against GOD.

Hhh4444:
You decide to come back or tricked to come back? With the crazy things happening in the world,who would decide to come back to this prison earth?

You ...Me.
It is the Ego speaking now. The real you yearns to be back here.....

Humans are the forms through which God(consciousness) experiences itself. We are Gods just having a human experience.
What this means is that we are spiritual beings. That is our default state.
We come here to experience the physical realm.
So earth is where the judgement takes place. Earth is where the heaven and hell is, they are the state of our minds and guess what, it is us that is going to manifest it and build it ourselves. While it is still day.
There is nothing like death, it is just a return home. death is an illusion. A deception. That's why she is our enemy.
If we choose to come back, we can reenter at any time and go through the process again . Babyhood, teenage hood. Adulthood..parenthood....then finally ancestorhood.
You decide to come back, you forgetting everything about your past life.....that is the law we placed on it. It is just a game....

If you fulfil the Torah.....and gain enlightenment. You become a grandmaster. And come in to guide humanity in the right direction. ....like the prophet Jeremiah. He was a grand master.

Oblongata:
What if the ‘old earth’ is just your former life on earth, and the ‘earth being destroyed’ means death, and the new earth is your reincarnation?🤷🏽‍♂️

You are a genius extraordinare....

for a fictional character, you sure do have a lot of materials nto write a book.
i wish you good luck.

The concept of life isn’t something you ‘get’. It’s something you live.
God is infinity.

And infinity has no beginning, no end, no clear cause.
To ask why is like asking the ocean where the first wave began.

But here’s the possibility most miss…
What if God expands through us?
What if every thought, every tear, every act of love and cruelty adds to His unfolding?

Not a ruler above us, but consciousness experiencing itself through us.
Metaphysically, that means your existence isn’t random.

It’s part of the expansion of infinity itself.
You are not here to find the answer.
You are the answer being written in real time.

ZombieDredd:
you must be an epicurian.

whatever that means.....

the only purpose of life is to enjoy it.

anything anybody tells you again is a lie and the person wants to steal your money,in other to increase his own merriment.

groove your own money, you should not neglect the genuinely less privileged...

so if life gives you lemon, make lemonade and invite those who it has given orange and grapes to a party.

these pastors, nah your money dem they after, so them fit dey groove well and leave plenty for their children, wise up.

zoedew:
Scriptures say it is celestial ie heavenly while the present one is terrestrial ie physical and that is the major difference between the two.

What is a celestial body?
how is it different from our own?

because still have the wounds of his cruxifiction.
and one of the gospel story recorded him eating and drinking after wards?

zoedew:
Elijah did not die.
Lazarus rose up with the same body and he still died sometime later
Jesus rose up never to die again. He rose up with an incorruptible body.

those this body require food and drink to grow?
how is it different from our own?

Chibuezem:
All I know is I believe in God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy spirit

well, you are wrong.
God is one and indivisible.......
he alone exist of himself....no partner .

zoedew:
Then issue is the taste of death and the faith involved in believing that God will raise him from the dead something that has never happened before.

What about Elijah and lazarus?

Maximus692:
You try jàre!

You did not answer it.

please try. humor me

gohf:
It's not just for arguments sake or about who is right and who is wrong, it's about life, eternal life and the salvation of our souls. I get it that some argue to catch cruise or show they are wise and right but at the end of the day what reward is there for that.


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one of the prophets in the Tanakh, i think Hosea or so stated 'My people perish for lack of knowledge' this was made because the jews where worshiping the Baal and the Asherahs, that is the gods and goddess of those around them thinking it was the real GOD. Same thing is happening now, people worship Baal thinking they are doing worship to Creator.
The idea of the logos is a Greek philosophy. we can see how easily it came to be part of the christian theology. it was borrowed.
several times in the Tanakh, the prophet warned the Jews that there is only one God. no one beside or in front of him, not even a son., there is no devil or Satan that is a dual opposite of God, everything he created, is sovereign to him and under his will. whatever happens whether good or bad, happens because it is his will. NOT BECAUSE SATAN DID IT.
but as an insult to him, Christianity created a son and a Satan that is his rival......and people are drinking it.

MaxInDHouse:
So after a careful reading, diligent study, thorough meditation we can say the holy spirit could be defined as God's active force which He uses in many ways to accomplish His purposes.

The breath that God breath to man that is the same image and likeness as God is called?

It is just a weekend getaway.
It is not a sacrifice.....nothing was lost.

AngelahFlo:
Thanks I appreciate but I rather stick with blind faith on this one.

Suit yourself..

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