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Jokerman:
Age and time started counting after fall of man... Do you know how long Adam and Eve stayed in the garden before they sinned??

See my previous post..

cruxgemmata:
St Peter stated in his epistle.."that 1000 years is like 1 day, and 1 day like a 1000 years in God's sight".

Which means the 6days God created the universe shouldnt be taken literally.

If we can calculate or prove its not a normal 6days. Then we can calculate Adam and Eve existence on earth using same formulae

Adam lived for 930 years... Which is not up to a day.... He left the other 70 years to his children... Lol..

Most of the stories in the Torah are adapted from Babylonian epics and myth. Judaism as a religion was created when the Jews left the Babylonian exile. Ezra and possibly nehimaih were ordered to write the laws of God since there where already familiar with it and take it along to teach the Hebrews.. Most of whom never even knew who the creator was as they worshipped the Baal's and asherah ie the sons and daughters of Enlil.. That is the gods of the cananites...
The Adam and Eve story was adapted from the Adapa story in Babylonian religion.. It tells the story of how man lost the chance or forfeited the chance to stay on earth indefinitely..

Adam simply means man and Eve means woman..

In the original tale, he was the one who sent the flood to wipe out humanity.. That is why he is the destroyer.. Enlil.. The original Baal.

In as much as I know, that black people are the original people on this planet.. You do know there is something called propaganda..

tipscogreen:
I'll not waste my time to reason or argue with you because I consider that worthless.
The fact remains, spiritual things can't be understand with human wisdom (science).
How will you understand the history of creation as recorded in the first book of the Bible?
How will you understand the crossing of the red sea. In the second book of the Bible? (which even the historians agreed with)
With your human wisdom, you'll never accept or understand the virgin birth of my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
Christ death, burial and resurrection will sound unbelievable because you'll not find any scientific theory to back that up.

which criteria did you use to accept them as truth?

what pleases God?..obey his commandments...

Kobojunkie:
Just making sure we are even talking of the same God here since mine is a power not limited to the one universe,

i dont know yet if there is any other universe..so i cant speculate...

Kobojunkie:
I can tell you that in my universe, there are many gods, but there is one God. And He is the source of everything else.... good, evil, light...darkness etc. everything is from Him and is Him. There are infinite universes as well but the same God.

So what is it, I have been saying all these while..?

Or you just love plagiarism... Lol

Kobojunkie:
Just wondering if we are referring to the one that starts and ends in your mind, or the one that starts and ends in my mind...

Same... Same bro, they are the same...

Kobojunkie:
Do truly know of any yourself? For all you and I know, your universe may begin and end in your mind... your perception of your world. And mine begins and ends in my mind..

Are you diving into the metaphysical now... Or we are still on queue?

Kobojunkie:
So the power only applies to this universe?

Now your catching on..

But again, do you know any other universe?

Kobojunkie:
You mean biblical mention of multiverses and how even your power assertion fit even that?

You dull Sha.... I am talking about universe..

In other universes they might be multiple Gods, that responsible for it, but this our very own.. There is only one.. He is responsible for everything, both good and evil, light and darkness, right and wrong... Even if Satan exists, he is not a dual opposite of God...

My point.

Kobojunkie:


Are you sure about that ?

100%

You want biblical quotes?

Kobojunkie:
Invalidate? No, simply trying to inform is all. There is likely more beyond that which you know as your universe.

Might be... But that does not negate the fact that ours is a universe... Does it?

Bringing a tithe / מעשר -- only applied to Jews, not to gentiles. The Christian concept of tithing bears scant resemblance to the Torah concept of מעשר / ma'asér which required that 10% of produce grown in Israel and 10% of any privately owned (by a Jew) kosher domestic farm-animals (cattle, sheep and goats) and poultry (e.g. chickens, geese etc).

The food stuff was to be given to help maintain the Levites (who did not get part of the land, but were dependent on this food to live).

Christians were NEVER commanded to separate ma'asrot (plural of ma'asér).

"The Scriptural Commandments for tithing are addressed only to Jews. The Commandment for a Jew to tithe his kosher livestock (Lev. 27:32) pertains only when there is a Holy Temple in Jerusalem where the tithed animals can be sacrificed to G-d. The Commandments for the first tithe (Num. 18:24), the second tithe (Deut. 14:22), the Levites’ tithe (Num. 18:26), the tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28) pertain to a Jew’s agricultural products that grow within the boundaries of the Holy Land of Israel. Although Jews are always required to separate those agricultural tithes, the tithed produce is not permitted to be eaten unless there is a Holy Temple in Jerusalem." From "Ask Noah" link provided below.

Today, even though there is a modern democratic country (Israel) the land is not divided into the historical tribes so the idea of tithing produce and animals is not existent. Instead Jews donate 10% of income to charity (unless one is too poor to do so).

Judaism is founded on tz'daqah - often translated as charity but really meaning more of doing good for others (it isn't just donating a bit of money).

D'varim / Deuteronomy 15:7 "When, in a settlement in the land that G-d your L-rd is giving you, any of your brothers is poor, do not harden your heart or shut your hand against your needy brother. . . 11 The poor will never cease to exist in the land, so I am commanding you to open your hand generously to your poor and destitute brother in your land."

Tz'daqah is required of every Jew. If one is poor and needs tz'daqah it is a sin to NOT take it. Likewise if one can't afford to give money then one should give time. . . The Rambam (Maimonides) wrote that there are levels of tz'daqah from the lowest to the highest they are:

Giving begrudgingly
Giving less that you should, but giving it cheerfully.
Giving after being asked
Giving before being asked
Giving when you do not know the recipient's identity, but the recipient knows your identity
Giving when you know the recipient's identity, but the recipient doesn't know your identity
Giving when neither party knows the other's identity
Enabling the recipient to become self-reliant

There are many passages in the T'nach that tell us how important it is to bring tz'daqah -- literally "righteous deeds"; here are just a few:

עֲשֹׂה צְדָקָה וּמִשְׁפָּט נִבְחָר לַייָ מִזָּבַח׃
"Doing charitable deeds and being just is more pleasing to HaShem than sacrifices" (Mishlei / Proverbs 21:3);

...לָהֵן מַלְכָּא מִלְכִּי יִשְׁפַּר עֲלָךְ וַחֲטָאָךְ בְּצִדְקָה פְרֻק וַעֲוָיָתָךְ בְּמִחַן עֲנָיִן...
"...so, O King, let my advice be acceptable to you - redeem your sins through righteousness and charitable deeds to the poor and your wrongdoings will be replaced with tranquility..." (Daniyyel / Daniel 4:24);

...כִּי חֶסֶד חָפַצְתִּי וְלֹא זָבַח...
"...I delight in kindness rather than sacrifices..." (Hoshé'a / Hosea 6:6).



https://asknoah.org/faq/is-tithing-required

and a second link:

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/580598/jewish/Why-is-Charity-the-Greatest-Mitzvah.htm

Kobojunkie:
Well, has anyone reached the boundaries of it all to know this for a fact? No, hence why it is theoretical. The multiverse idea suggests that beyond the boundaries of our universe may lie other universes

So ours is a universe... Just like I said.. So your point does not invalidate mine...

Kobojunkie:
So is the concept of a universe.

So our world is not a universe?.. With the Stars and planets and sun....

Hmmm.

Kobojunkie:
I see someone hasn't heard of a multiverse.

.. It is just a theory... It does not invalidate my comment. .

There is no concept of Satan in the old testament, the way the Christian define it... There is none too in African spirituality..

The Europeans created Satan as a mockery against the creator.. There is just nothing God created he can't control... To think differently is an insult against God....

The Romans created Christianity as a dualistic ideology.. Rather than a monolistic one..

There is only one power in the world.. That is why it is called a universe.. Comprende??

petra1:
You don’t use human interpretation for prophecy

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.




Prophecy is not academics .present tense or past has not been issue . Abraham didn’t have a child yet when God gave him the prophecy below .

Genesis 17:5
. . . for a father of many nations have I made thee.

He should have rather told Abraham “ a father of many nation will I make you”

You compare scriptures with scriptures . That verse is talking about Jesus the God in human body

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel.

And what is Emmanuel . It means this child is “GOD WITH US”



Come off it. Then your tenses would have been wrong . It should have been a child has been born . Not a child is born that would have been appropriate on the day of the child birth .

It is not Hazekiah , it’s Jesus , Hazekiah was not referred to as MIGHTY GOD . but Jesus’s God incarnate EMMANUEL.. Hezekiah was not prince of peace , he was not mighty God .

I really don't know where to start this lecture from... One thing is sure, you do need help...

petra1:
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You have to understand what it means to be almighty .

Exactly..
So why are you boxing him inside what he created..?

veeshock:
Forget about me or what I need or not and face the real issues.
These are from books written by muslims:

Narrated Aisha:
Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 400)

Narrated Aisha:
Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect). Then one day he said, "O ‘Aisha do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other, ‘What is wrong with this man?’ The latter replied he is under the effect of magic. The first one asked, ‘Who has worked magic on him?’ The other replied, ‘Labid bin Al-A’sam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.’ The first one asked, ‘What material did he use?’ The other replied, ‘A comb and the hair stuck to it.’ The first one asked, ‘Where (is that)?’ The other replied, ‘In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan.’" So the Prophet went to that well and took out those things and said, "That was the well which was shown to me (in a dream). Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of devils." The Prophet added, "Then that thing was taken out." I said (to the Prophet) "Why do you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660)

Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268)
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.

According to the Quran, God sent Muhammad with truth (God's message to humanity), and as a blessing to the whole world (Quran 39:33, and 21:107). The Quran uses the designation Khatam an-Nabiyyin (33:40) which is translated as Seal of the Prophets.

As for the numerous confabulations...too many, geoccentric universe, misconception about meteors, biology, geology, history, etc...but your sentiments wont let accept plain truths because you believe in a certain allah who is the best deceiver...that same serpent from the old days.

We domt need another epistle of how muhammad tortured and killed many people in his life time making helpless women and children his slaves. What you need is to learn psychiatry and symptoms of mania and cross check before calling anyone a prophet.

You Really need to see a psychiatrist.. It is getting out of hand.. When last did you treat for fever?...

Rozz:
infact I just don't want to write about some things,i think Christianity was tampered with along the line. I wept in my closet, though I'm still a sinner too.

God only gave us laws to guide us in making good choices.. Christianity is nothing but idolatry worshipping a god created in the image and likeness of a man, something condemned in the, 2nd commandment..

God gave us free will, but gave us laws to guide us in making good choices, so that we can have a better and fulfilled human experience. End of the day the body will return back to Earth and the spirit back to God, who gave it....

Numbers 23:19..God is not a man or a human being... Jesus if at all he is a real historical figure can't be God... People should learn to draw the line.. THE tanakh is the Hebrew scriptures.. The Romans stole it and added their paganism at the end of Malachi.. With the sole intention of deceiving just as Daniel prophesied in 7:25 and make mockery of the creator.. Who is outside space and time...

Rozz:
Im not a JW but this Trinity stuff is somehow.You can never win an argument on Trinity with a JW,they seems to have alot to back up their argument.

Yes nah... How can God be the creator and still be part of creation... Does it make sense?

petra1:
Jesus does not need to say he was God God because that will defeat the purpose of his coming. He didn't come to the earth as God . He humbled himself as man even though he was God.

Phi 2:5 — Phi 2:8
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be[b]equal with God,[/b] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

God is the creator.. He is outside of space and time,.. He is not part of creation...

It is not possible at all..

veeshock:
So I am the deluded one? So tell me where is King Hezekiahs everlasting kingdom then as you have claimed? You obviously didnt go through those passages but made rash conclusions from what you've heard from others...you now want to talk about "The Son of God"? Oga when you are ready we would know.

You muslims are very ignorant, love self deceit and hypocrisy and have zero logic or else you would have seen the fraud in the one you call a prophet, but you are forbidden to think otherwise, wether you accept the truth or not it doesnt change a thing, one thing is clear from your own books, muhammad was hallucinating obviously at some point, they claimed a jew bewitched him...your most powerful allahs most reverened prophet was bewitched by a sorcerer to the extent of hallucinating...1(hallucinations)
He is also said to have the sexual prowess of about 30 men, and usually goes round all his wives in one night, besides the sex slaves he had...2(high sex drive)
He claims to be the last and most special prophet among all, yet he didnt see the sorcerers plan ahead, your quran is riddled with fallacies yet you claim it is pure and directly from The Most High God...3(delusions of grandeur and confabulations)
He was a violent man who beheaded about 700 jews in one day and raped the wife of one the jews forcing her to be one of his numerous wives...4(sociopath and violent tendencies).
1-4 above are obvious signs of mania, he was more likely a bipolar, those with him were ignorant of these offcourse, but you guys today...are competing for who is the best muslim that you cant see the charade behind all of it. Who is deluded? Me or you who follow a deluded hallucinating sex maniac?

You really need to see a psychiatrist asap

Just follow the Torah... No more no less.. Psalm 119..is a long love poem about the Torah.. Quite interesting

veeshock:
You are not even serious, what are messainic prophecies then? The ones that have the heading "messainic prophecy" Dreams are not prophecies? The intepretation of dreams are also symbolic as in Dan 7? You must be joking. Dan 9:24-26 talks directly about the Annointed or Chosen One, The Messiah, and gave a precise time frame He was to come and what would happen after that.
Isaiah 9:6-7 is about who? Did you read verse 7 that says His Government and Peace shall have no end? Same thing Ezekiel 37 says. It is all about The Messiah Jesus Christ, you are free to believe whatever you like sha, but those passages are clear enough.

Yes.. Just wallow in your delusions.. So did the passage say he will be God son,,?..

Brunicekid:
Satan is part

How?..

There is this song we used to sing in church, when I was still a sheepie.. It goes

"when God says yes, nobody can say No... "

When God says No, nobody can say yes...

It was when I left, I really understood it..
It means that God is the only power in this world.. Hence it is called a Universe.. Rather than a duoverse or something else..

He decided virtually everything.. Both good and evil.. So, Satan can't act without God saying yes or no.. Just as lamentations puts it in 3:38.."out of the mouth of the lord proceeds both good and evil" and Isaiah sums it up in 45:7..i form light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil.. I the Lord do all these things...

So Satan, if he even exist MUST always bend to the will of God..

freshboi88:
Deal with it Ur founder is an idol worshipper and is currently paying for his sins of idol worshipping in hell

What is the difference between somebody worshipping a man as God and another who worships a snake...?