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DaddyCoool:
How do you know? Are you wiser than Christ who took it literally? There are many things we don't understand and will never understand, and the universe is stranger than we can ever imagine. So just because something has non sequiturs doesn’t mean it didn't happen.

This one didn't..

Like he said, it is an allegory. We are expected to read it and learn the hidden messages..

DaddyCoool:
1. How can they know eating the fruit was bad if they didn't know bad from good

2. Why didn't they eat the tree of life all that time - and they were NOT forbidden from it. It said clearly they were banished so they won't eat it (NOT so they won't continue eating it)

3. Why was the Serpent created wise and tricky but not them, and then allowed access to them, knowing he can easily deceive them

4. Eve, who was the one deceived, was not yet created when God gave Adam the instruction

5. Omniscient God already knew they'd eat the fruit even before they were created

6. Life also became difficult for animals even though they didn't eat any fruit

7. The Serpent's punishment was crawling on the ground, but that's what Serpents do, that's just their nature, and they do it effortlessly, and they're not the only ones who crawl.

Add yours

**Added:

8. What was Adam supposed to do, his wife now knew he was a slowpoke who did not even know he was naked. If he didn't eat the fruit, if you were his wife, would you stay married to a slowpoke with no self-awareness?🤣

The story does not make any sense. That's because it's not an actual historical story. It is a retelling/re cast of an earlier Babylonian myth. In the Babylonian version Adapa/Adam did not eat the food/fruit in both cases, man lost the chance to dwell indefinitely on earth.

Gabrielshow24:
I am not suprised why you will be predisposed to such book.

Can't you not empirically figure that out yourself?
Or don't you have critical thinking? 🤨

Well it's nice.
Anything that helps Patrick Star become Plankton, I am cool with it🙃.

Lol...

Readers are leaders.
You don't come across as learned.

DaddyCoool:
Of course all things are from the same source. Where did you want them to come from?

There is no devil and evil being as Christians do.

Okezie5Regs:
I understand your point but let me tell you something; what is the value of worth of knowing the names of two criminals as to the message of salvation and the mission of Christ or are you now saying that the bible should record all the names, why is the name of David's mother not found in the Bible or why is the name of the woman with the issue of blood not mentioned? If all this things were included then I don't think the Bible was meant to be the word of God but just a collection of antique stories.

Now you said that no real scholar would accept that Genesis was authored by Moses, that is really funny 😅😂 😂

The guy was claiming inspiration from the wholely spirit..

Gabrielshow24:
This should be the best 'piece' you have ever written🤨 if truly you didn't plagiarize it from somewhere 👀.

Have you heard of the kybalion. Get it and read it.

Gabrielshow24:
This should be the best 'piece' you have ever written🤨 if truly you didn't plagiarize it from somewhere 👀.

You never understand anything then.

Every now and then, I pray for people to get on the right track, especially when I see people preaching on the street.
Most people here don't understand anything. I just weak to my bones, when I read their post.

So sad.
Maybe my post are ahead of its time.

The Principle of Polarity, a core concept in Hermeticism, states that everything has two sides, two poles, and everything has its opposite, with opposites being different degrees of the same thing, not entirely distinct.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Duality and Opposites:
The principle emphasizes that everything in existence, from the physical world to emotions and concepts, has a dual nature, with opposing forces or qualities.
Examples of Polarity:
Common examples include hot and cold, light and dark, love and hate, and positive and negative.
Opposites as Degrees:
The key point is that these opposites are not entirely separate but rather different manifestations or degrees of the same underlying principle. For instance, hot and cold are simply varying degrees of temperature.
Reconciling Paradoxes:
The principle suggests that apparent paradoxes and contradictions can be reconciled by understanding that they are simply different perspectives or expressions of the same fundamental reality.
Application to Life:
Understanding the principle of polarity can help us to shift our perspectives, embrace duality, and find balance in our lives.

DaddyCoool:
Satan here is a synonym for evil. Do you agree that evil is bad? If so you get the idea. Feel free to give it whatever name u wish!

Both good and evil originate from the same source. They are exclusive properties of the creator of heaven and the earth.
There is evil in Good and good in evil. That's what the ying yang means.

delkuf:
So this is who Jesus is to you. My own Jesus was not a creation of the Romans empire. My Jesus is the son of God who came to earth and died for our sins. He was born into born this world and became a human being though he was a God. And he died on the cross and on the 3 day He resurrected from the grave. With his death, we are saved. Our sins are paid for.

And after he resurrected, he ascended to heaven to bring down the Holy Ghost and the eternal life, so that can live sinless in this sinful world

Ok.

Okezie5Regs:
I understand your point but let me tell you something; what is the value of worth of knowing the names of two criminals as to the message of salvation and the mission of Christ or are you now saying that the bible should record all the names, why is the name of David's mother not found in the Bible or why is the name of the woman with the issue of blood not mentioned? If all this things were included then I don't think the Bible was meant to be the word of God but just a collection of antique stories.

Now you said that no real scholar would accept that Genesis was authored by Moses, that is really funny 😅😂 😂

Is that not what it is?
Is it history?
We are expected to read it and learn the messages in the story.

Yes, no real or serious scholar believes Moses wrote the Torah, because of its parallels to Babylonian myths which where incorporated into it. From the creation of the universe by Marduk to the two brothers Enki(Jacob) and Enlil(Isau)...and to the flood.

delkuf:
so who is Jesus to you

He is a creation of the Roman empire...
Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire, he gathered religious leaders to Nicaea so they could fashion out a religion or adopt an existing one. They had to choose between The worship or serapis (Christianity) or mithriaism. After arguing for almost several days, they voted to go with the worship of serapis and Isis. Serapis became Jesus at the council of Ephesus and Isis became Mary his mother much later. Same old paganism. Just rebranded. .

Egypt, which you commended to me my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent and continually wafted about by every breath of fame. The worshippers of Serapis here are called Christians and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find) call themselves Bishops of Christ.

Hadrian to Servianus 134 AD.”

delkuf:
you don't believe in Jesus Christ and you are saying am being deceived. The one reason why the Lord Jesus came us to die for the sins of the world.

Guy, let me continue to be deceived and you continue today and ask forgiveness and sin tomorrow and ask for forgiveness. Then sin next year and ask for forgiveness. But know that there is level to the patience of God. And God gets angry

God is after a contrite heart. A broken spirit you will not spurn. Psalm 50.
Jesus came from where? Jesus dying for sin is nobody's plan. It is not God's plan. Why do you believe in it?
No body sent him to die(that's if he even existed) God already gave the Jews the solution to the problem of sin. It does not involve human sacrifice. See 2nd chronicles 7:14. Is that not sufficient for you? Or you don't believe God's word.
Why are you advising or imposing on God to accept a human sacrifice?

Petalss:
Please show us where Allah says kill or sacrifice so your sins will be forgiven. I found one that says otherwise: But whoever repents after his wrongdoing and reforms, indeed, Allah will turn to him in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (Quran 5:39)

I mean command his followers to kill unbelievers...

The Torah and the Qur'an are on the same page on this one.

delkuf:
this is not kill. No body is killing any body for God. This is human sacrifice of the sins of the world. This is the price to pay for the sins of the world. And there is no other way. Only that a human being would die and pay the price of the sins of the world with his body. And Jesus has done it once and for all. Now we are save

When did God plan all these in the Tanakh?
This idea is pagan. God said "confess and forsake....I will forgive,

When did he say he would send his son to die for sin. You are being deceived my friend.
How can a God who hates human sacrifice and even goes as far as calling it an abomination suddenly turn around to ask for the death of somebody as a remission for sins.
Death is the wages of sin.....does not make sense at all

Ubenedictus:
there was Christianity before Nicaea

They were the worshippers of Serapis.

delkuf:
1, if humans sin and there is no human being ready to pay the price of their sins, how will the price of there sins be paid. Or are you ready to die for the sins of the world. Can you die for someone else.
There is no human being that is ready to do what Jesus did not even you. You cannot take a slap for your neighbor not to talk of dying for him. If there is no human being that is ready to die for the sins of the world how would the sins of the world be paid.

Are you advising God to accept a human sacrifice after he calls it an abomination?
I need your answer please.
2, human sin and ask God for forgiveness, if God forgive human and human sin again and again, how long will God continue to forgive human. Don't you know that God also run out of patience. That was why you see God keep destroying this world and repenting of it. God destroyed this world with water during the time of Noah. He also destroyed sodom and Gomorrah with fire, what do you think God would use to destroy this generation. God would have wipe us away from the face of the earth. This generation that is full of sin. By now I don't think there would be anyone in earth. God is a merciful God but he also grow out of patience and get angry. If not for the death and resurrection of Jesus, there won't be any Earth by now. That life that you so like would be blown away by God.
So this world needed Jesus

Where did you get the idea that God want us to kill somebody for him before he forgives us our sins? That sounds like what Allah will do,, not the creator of heaven and earth. He said confess and forsake, I will forgive. Is that not ok and sufficient for us. Or are you advising God to accept human sacrifice?

delkuf:
I need him. I can't do without him. My very existence depends on him. One pray I wish to pray every day is that every day of my life I should be looking at only Jesus. He is the center of everything

Lol.
I laugh in pidgin English.
Jesus creat anything??

Don't worry. The time is not far again. The deception will be revealed.
Then you will start running to the Jews to teach you their ways. It's not far again.

DaddyCoool:
Soo, God can dismantle what man created but man can't... Tells you who is really God.
Once again, why waiting to get rid of Satan?
Answer: no answer that makes any sense.

Stop arguing nonsense. In our world of dualities bad Satan must exist to counterballance good God

Where did you get the idea that Satan is bad?
See Isaiah 45:7 for more clarification.

delkuf:
it is under this your torah that say that about my savior Jesus but in Christianity, Jesus is the perfect plan of God for mankind. Without Jesus this world would be long forgotten. We won't have this world.

In your torah you may not have Jesus Christ but in Christianity he is the pillar. He is our life. So please don't mix your Torah with Christianity

So got nothing to do with God.
He is just a creation of the church fathers. I understand that.
I don't need him. He is useless to me.
I follow my creator and his laws. That is ok for me.
Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
OK!

Learn, unlearn and relearn..

May you have peace.

MaxInDHouse:
Dude abeg pack go one side Jesus really walked this planet and established what is called CHRISTIANITY.

Continue to deceive your self. The story said he was a Jew. So he must have followed the Torah. Who then created Christianity? Answer: The Roman Catholic Church. It was the product of the council of Nicaea and the orders of emperor Constantine, who wanted a single religion for his empire.
Got nothing to do with God.

delkuf:
what is this Torah that you normally mentioned. There is need for Jesus

God's divine laws. He has already given humans everything they needed to live in peace and a fulfilling life. It also includes taking responsibility for your actions. If you are sincere enough to confess and forsake your sins, he would forgive and remember them no more.
Jesus is useless to God's plan. If you ask me, he is an idol. And God hates idolatry.

delkuf:
1. The sacrifice of Christ is beyond death. The death of the Lord Jesus gives us the life to live beyond death.
2, who are those that sin Are they human or spirit
3. The crowd didn't know that they were doing the Lord's work. If it be for the sacrifice of my sin, yes I would want the Lord Jesus to be crucified

1. First and foremost where did the idea of God sending anybody to come and die for the sins of anybody come from? It is pagan if you ask me. Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer. It has got nothing to do with the creator of heaven and earth. Who forbids us in one of his commandments "Thou shall not kill" it does not make any sense? God already provided a solution to the problem of sin...see 2nd chronicles 7:14. It does not involve any human sacrifice. That is what a loving God will do, not ask for a human to be killed to please you.

2. Humans sin and humans are to ask God for forgiveness. That is what he asked. Not human death or sacrifice.

3. Lol. When did God plan that a human has to die before he would forgive us our sins. Looks like what Allah would do. Not the creator of heaven and earth.

lawani:
JW in their outlook to life are more similar to early Christians than others but not necessarily doctrine wise

Maybe. But they where condemned at the council of Nicaea.

delkuf:
i ask him to die for me. I will continue to thank God for giving me his son to die for me. That is the greatest thing ever done for mankind. You may not understand it but there are millions of people that has realized the importance of his death and they are grateful for him dying for our sins. I will forever be grateful. If I was there I would ask him to die for my sin.

What is death?
And when did God start accepting human sacrifice?

So if you were in the crowd, you would have been shouting for him to be killed? The heart of man is really wicked.
Are you a yahoo + guy?

delkuf:
you know that you are 99% right. Are do you know this

1. There was never any need for jesus. God has provided everything the Jews needed in the Torah.. The Jews don't have the idea of gods impregnating women. It only exists in Greek/ Roman mythology. I think jesus and Perseus of clash of the titans fall into the same category.
2. As for Muhammad, there was no record of him until 200+ years after the so called higra. There were no prophets in arabia prior to Muhammad who prophesied his coming. Every thing in the Qur'an are all stories lifted from the bible.

GothamCities:
Please answer the two questions o asked you.

I have ....now answer mine.

GothamCities:
There's a spiritual body my friend. The spiritual body is the soul and not the breathe that returns to God. This is the soul that the Bible says shall.die. It shall be eternally separated from God.

I don't understand you anymore.

Go and read Ecclesiastics 12:7 again and make sure you understand it. You don't understand it yet.in fact read the whole of Ecclesiastics. It has many information that will be good for you.
Try and read the creation of man and understand what man is and what God is too..
You don't understand yet.

GothamCities:
We're on your assertion that soul = body + spirit.

Now, answer the question, if soul = body plus spirit, what is meant by the verse "...the soul that sinneth shall die"?

The man is spirit plus soul plus body

Does man not die. Every soul must die at some point.
Man is a soul. We do not have a soul.
When God breathed on the statue it became a living soul. When it expires, the spirit returns to God who owns it and the body to the earth where it came from. Did you not quote that Ecclesiastics 12:7. There is no third entity. It is just spirit of God plus mud.

geoworldedu:
I will do so when due. What should the thread topic be?

What is on the other side of death...or something like that. I will tell my own too.

Okezie5Regs:
to explain this let me remind you that the authorship if the Bible is the Holy Spirit, perhaps the Holy Spirit revealed to Luke what happened at the place when there was no body with clear consciousness to prove the event

A statement like this disproves Moses authorship of Genesis, how can he knew what happened in chapter 1 when he was not there

Moses never wrote Genesis. No serious scholar believes that. The Torah was written by a group of priest lead by Ezra, that's why most of the information are from Babylon myths.
The gospels began life anonymously, meaning no one knows who wrote it. If you claim inspiration, why are the names of the two thieves unknown?
It just a poorly written story, little wonder they have been editing it since Nicea....