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MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah!

You go and worship the God that's within you after all others have the same thing within them but chose to do otherwise, why must it be that it's what your own mind says that others should do?

What does a worship consist of??

MaxInDHouse:
So in the Bible book of Job 1:7-12 it was God's positive side that's chatting with God's negative side?

Who was there to record the meeting?
Because you keep thinking God is a thing. Go and find out the message in the story..
See Isaiah 45;7
Stop derailing..

MaxInDHouse:
PROPHETS PROPHESIES simply as ABC.

Prophecy about what?

MaxInDHouse:
Did Israelites CONGREGATE to worship their God?
Perhaps Moses and Aaron were cults since they congregate the Israelites to have the same line of thought about what their God requires of the assembly!

They only meet to offer sacrifices to God. Especially those who has committed one sin or the other. As long as you keep the laws, you are wise and righteous in God's eyes..

MaxInDHouse:
These two totally negates each other, how can a God open the mind of another God?

You once said you always do whatever pleases you yet you want to dictate how others should think.

Ọmọ na wah for you o!

You still don't get it..do you..

We are God's spirit dwelling within a body made from Dust. And that spirit is the same image and likeness as God. So I am not wrong to say we are God's dwelling within a body made from Dust..

You see that is why God gave us the Torah, to remind us of this truth and also remind ourselves of what is required of us.
I only try to remind those who have forgotten of our identity and where we are coming from and where we are going. It's all about the experience...but we all need to know to enjoy it...
If we are looking for who to worship...let's look within us...God is there.

If Harry Potter is not a wizard, he wouldn't have had a book written about him....

If Jesus was not god he wouldn't have been able to do these ...

So I am not allowed to make the characters in my book do anything?. Is that not what makes a good writer..

MaxInDHouse:
There are billions of people claiming they are doing what God wants based on each person's belief or conviction but one thing makes all of them IDOLATERS:
They can't present one group having the same line of thought on the standard set up for right and wrong.
So as long as you can't present any visible group practicing what you believe ọmọ you are a confirmed idolater!

Where and when did God promulgate that membership of a cult is a prerequisite for being his son or being righteous?
Be deceiving yourself. Don't come out of that cult...

MaxInDHouse:
That's not what prophet means prophet means someone who PROPHESY so you are wrong!

That is secondary...

The primary purpose is to tell the truth and encourage people to keep the Torah..see Isaiah 1 &2

[1] The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah. [2] Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

Is it clear now?

Rapture!
Rapture!!
Rapture!!!
Yet another white man lie to deceive poor African who can't think for themselves. It is such a a pity.
Man oh man...black man or black man, who did this to you. You that built the Benin wall with no morden tools. So sad.

I have been opening the minds of the black man and still they come up with this...one woke black man at a time...one...

We are God's spirit dwelling within a vessel made with dust. So says a popular Catholic prayer "send forth your spirit, and they shall be created"...which is taken from Psalm 104:29-31.
We are not this body...it was given to us to adapt to earthly conditions. Just like a NASA astronaut needs a special suit to adapt to conditions in space...
We are God's spirit experiencing life in multiple ways. We are Gods...that is why it is called human BEING. We are trying to be human. And to do so we need the Torah...to remind us...
The purpose is to enjoy while it last...

GothamCities:
Are you talking about what God meant or what God said?


Yes, that's at the second coming of the Messiah.



Can you tell me the solution God gave you to the problem of sin? Is it the same solution that makes you see YHWH as Marduk and ifa as been superior to the Bible?

Why only Jesus gets a second do over.
Why not all the other men who claimed to be the Messiah in the 1st century CE. If Jesus gets a second coming pass, they too should still get a second coming arrangement.
You see the reason why the Messiah has to do those things the first time?

MaxInDHouse:
Who is an idolater?
For your information IDOLATRY comes from being unable to associate and stand firm with worshipers who have the same line of thought regarding pure worship.
No matter the God you worship you become an idolater once you can't present your fellow believers who can boldly speak for what you believe.
So my friend since you worship what you don't know and can't present your fellow worshipers you are a confirmed idolater!

Do you seriously think I am the only man that follows the Torah on planet earth?

You must be daft.
Do I need to be in a cult first ?
Or wait till I get information from the GB?
Nah
And moreover you guys disobey God's laws, you can't belong to God.it is not possible. You can't be breaking God's laws and claim to be for him? It does not make sense. If you are for him, then obey his commandments...

MaxInDHouse:
Even the Jews believe that all utterances made by ancient servants of God are prophetic that's why they refer to the tanakh as the prophets!

No boy..only part of the Tanakh is prophetic.
A prophet is not somebody that predicts the future. He/she is somebody that tells the truth and leads people to God by advising them to keep the Torah...

Captain4Jehovah:
I have someone like you in my place of work who argues points out of context, uses sweeping statements in arguments. In fact, he is a talkative. What I do is to listen attentively to every of his words. He believes so much in ISESE. Do you know what, he was once a Christian in fact he was born in CAC.

Why all these? One needs to arrive at a conclusion in an argument with a proper definition of a statement whether it is false or true. Two, it is a good thing to fight for one heritage or cherish one culture and religion but you jumped from the name of God to Ifa. Is Ifa a god? If so, is he superior to Olodumare?

Olodumare is the creator and source of all things in YORUBA PANTHEON. Ifa, according to the pantheon is a god of divination who is a word of Olodumare and a channel to him. In other words, he(being a god) is an oracle of Olodumare through hidden things can be known and understood.

Having clarified that, the meaning of "Olodumare", "the creator" is not the same as YHWH(I EXIST, I AM). A professor even presumes it means "splendor, majesty-light and glory which God wears as king." This clearly explains his charisma personality(grace and favour) as king rather than who he is in ESSENCE personality as ETERNAL BEING. He also suggests Olodumare is a name that should be used for YHWH instead of OLUWA.

Judaism does not teach or uphold pantheology but rather a believe on one god:Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:Deuteronomy 6 : 4 unlike Yoruba pantheology.

All tongues and tribes of the earth ascribe God(from Germanic root) with various names but the ONLY PERSONAL NAME of the Creator of the heaven and the earth is YHWH. Consider Acts 17

[22] Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

[23] For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

[25] Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

[26] And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

[27] That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

[28] For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

[29] Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Acts 17 : 22-29

So, OLODUMARE IS NOT YHWH IN LITERAL MEANING. Also, IFA IS NOT SUPERIOR TO YHWH because if you claim Ifa is superior to the Jewish propaganda, then he is superior to OLODUMARE which makes your argument invalid because according to Yoruba belief he receives from OLODUMARE

The YouTube have a name for The creator of heaven and earth...whether Oluwa, Olodumare, or Eledumare. They reverence the creator of the universe...
Contrary to popular belief, the African traditional religion is not Polytheistic in nature..They believe in only one Creator and God. What you think they call God is what they refer to as ORISHA, which represents the laws and principles of life. The Tanakh calls them the "sons of God" of which Satan is one of them who happens to be the ORISHA of the wind. He is Enlil in Babylonian mythology and his consort called Ninlil. I think his equivalent in yoruba mythology will be Ayao and osain. I might be wrong. I need clarification from yoruba people..
They are part of the universe. They are part of God's creation..
They do nothing outside of what God has created them to do.

The Jews also recognizes the Orishas and also their position in the scheme of things. See the book of job.
They are not God. Only Olodumare is God.
As for ifa, which is the word of God same as the Tanakh of the Jews. They are both the oracle of God. Since God is not a man or a human being, the only way to communicate with God is through an oracle(ifa). If you are conversant with Nollywood movies, when the chief priest want to deliver his message to the king, it is usually through parables. It is those parables the Jews built into stories. They all contain spiritual truth as messages in the story. They are not historical stories, but spiritual stories. Little wonder Paul said " The letter killeth"..

If you still don't understand...let me know.

AntiChristian:
So the moon God created the moon and everything that exists right?

How does that make sense to you?

Well, that is what the people who wrote the Quran want you to know, it is all deception..

AntiChristian:


I quoted what Allah says and you will be giving me evidences from wikipedia or where that Allah is otherwise! And make i believe you?

Once again, Allah is above His throne over the heavens Qur'an 20:5!

That makes Allah the moon God...
That is his domain..

MaxInDHouse:
So continue WAITING for his arrival!

I might have gone before he comes..

That is not going to make me commit idolatry like you..

I will continue to follow and obey the Torah...
Whether the Messiah comes in my time or not, does not matter.

GothamCities:
Lol. Who says Psalms are prophecies?

Your illustration further proves you're not really balanced with the knowledge of scripture. Right from your talk about ifa and marduck, up to the ancestors were enslaved nonesense, I already knew that you're not to be taken serious.

According to you, the choir master received a song from David and started singing it as his own song, and therefore must say "The Lord said to my master king David". Was he a reporter? If that's how it is, the Psalm immediately becomes the Psalm of the choir master, and no longer a Psalm of David. Nobody receives a song from a writer and then renders it as a reported speech. And also, why should this particular verse be different from all other verses in the book of Psalm where David's speeches were given directly and not reported? See? That's because you want to deny the truth of that particular verse and remove the message it bears. The Messiah isn't a mere man. The choirmaster didn't report David's speech as song. He wrote exactly the song David sent to him word for word. Don't lie to yourself if you love your soul. The Messiah isn't completely human.

There's nothing in the Book of Zechariah that I've not read. I have read that book more than 100 times. You don't need to tell me to go read from the beginning. Just tell me why the Israelites will look on Him whom they pierced.

It is not a messianic prophesy..

Psalms are meant to be sung during worship..
What about the rest of the Psalm 110, who is it talking about?
You just don't want to learn because the brain washing is really strong...it is very very strong...

GothamCities:
Lol. We don't worship the same God okay. You're still too brainwashed to see that? How else can I break it down for you?

The two genealogies in Mathew and Luke are not contradictory. Mathew focuses on the lineage of Joseph while Luke focuses on the lineage of Mary. Both came from David.

If the Messiah is not a deity, why did David prophesy of him "The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies." Psalm 110:10.

If the Messiah has no second coming, how do you explain Zechariah 12:10? If indeed Israel would accept the Messiah as soon as he appears, then what would make them "look upon Him while they pierced"?

Psalms are not prophecies. They are meant to be recited during services.
The Psalm you quoted was written by David and given to the choir master..
So from the choir master point of view when he is reading it ...it means The Lord (Lord most high) said to my master (King David )......
Do you understand now..

Read zachariah from the beginning you will get the real gist...not take text out of context..

AntiChristian:
That's your own concocted version of Allah which contradicts what Allah says in:

1. Qur'an 21:33 - And He (Allah) it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.

2. Qur'an 7:54 - Indeed your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and then He Istawa (rose over) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty). He brings the night as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly, and (He created) the sun, the moon, the stars subjected to His Command. Surely, His is the Creation and Commandment. Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists)!

You have been deceived...

Wake up...
Allah is Nanna/Sin the moon God. It is just the Arabians who elevated him to that position. He does not create anything.

GothamCities:
Are you talking about what God meant or what God said?


Yes, that's at the second coming of the Messiah.



Can you tell me the solution God gave you to the problem of sin? Is it the same solution that makes you see YHWH as Marduk and ifa as been superior to the Bible?

My friend, there is no second coming arrangements anywhere in the Tanakh.
The Messiah will do those things, that is how they will know he is the Messiah.
The Messiah is not a deity to be worship, he is an ordinary man like you and me...
From the line of David through Solomon his son. The two contradictory genealogy in Mathew and Luke can't produce a Messiah....
The Messiah will come at the end of day to usher in an era of world peace.
Like I told you, there is only one creator of the universe..it is just the name that is different.... because we have so many languages on earth. So they all have the name of God in their languages...
I don't know how else to put it in your head. You have to loose the brainwashing..learn. Unlearn and relearn...

GothamCities:
You're very confused my friend. Very very confused.

So, God gave ifa and idols to every tribe on earth, then, He told the Jews that He hates idols? He even told them not to have anything to do with heathen nations that worshipped those idols. Even called Abraham out of an idol worshipping nation to reveal Himself unto Abraham as the only true God. My dear, you're very, very confused.

Another of your confusion is that you said the whites enslaved your ancestors and gave them Christianity. That's a high level of confusion because the whites who colonized Africa were different from those who spread the gospel.

Among those who colonized Africa were Atheists, Idol worshippers, Cultists, Muslims, Christians who only came to plunder Africa. Those who brought Christianity didn't belong to this group.

Those who brought Christianity included both whites and blacks who were missionaries. They built hospitals, schools, orphanages, etc and never colonized anyone. They were all Christians.

Keep deceiving yourself..

You think if there was really power in the name of Jesus, the slave masters will share it with their slaves ?
So they will use it against them..

If you like don't use your tongue to count your teeth .

Learn history and stop behaving like a toddler..

Broveens42:
It baffles me how grown adults take mere tales/allegories for real life experiences

We have a lot to do to educate them...

I don't relent or pass up an opportunity..

I guess that's the least.

GothamCities:
Who told you God gave ifa to the Yoruba people? If God gave ifa to the Yoruba people, why did He give something else to the Jews? And something else to almost every ethnic group?

Which Europeans enslave your ancestors, and how did that enslavement concern Christianity?

Well God gave ifa to the yoruba people.
Just as how he gave every tribe their heritage . No one is above the other. They are all ways to bring us together and for us to live in peace..
The European that came to enslave your ancestors brought Christianity to them and they passed it on to you. And you are going to pass the lie to your children too..if you don't learn the truth and end the madness..

GothamCities:
But you've been making a case for ifa as the word of God that is superior to the Bible. This U turn is interesting.

So, you believe in the Torah? And you did not know that the Scriptures promised a Messiah whose soul would be made an offering for sins? A man who has no human father?

God promised a Messiah from the line of David. What this means is that he would have a father and mother who are both Jewish. He is coming to usher in an era of world peace as Isaiah said " They will hammer their sword into ploughshares....and learn of war no more. That has not happened and we are still waiting. God already gave us the solution to the problem of sin, and it does not involve human sacrifice..see 2nd chronicles 7:14.

Luciii:
All these tangents and mental gymnastics just to escape providing a source 😅. Maybe if you had bothered educating urself you would have known that yes we dont have first hand accounts. like i said i don't particularly care if you believe or not so you "crossing/ swinging over to my side" is not my concern, that would be a fools errand. Just wanted to show you were talking unverifiable baseless rubbish. The evidence, sources, scholars and communities are all there in my prev comments, you suddenly getting selective amnesia cause you couldn't refute them or provide yours to cointer them just makes the coward hat fit perfect.

Only few comments above you were happy to provide sources when you ignorantly and confidently thought it supported your claim with Bart, Carrier and Humprhey's(this is still funny). When it was found that the few sources you managed to come up with where rubbish and contradicted you suddenly "can't provide sources for a negative claim" even though you're clearly making an assertions all over the place.😅 Typical flat earther and religious folk energy. Not one of your claims/assertions could you provide a source, consensus, evidence or just a general scholarly perspective for.

From the assertion that Jesus did not exist, to Ezra wrote the torah, to enlil/enki = jacob/esau or the new rubbish up there that no one heard of Jesus until the Nicea council, not one. Or are they're all "negative claims" ergo you wouldn't provide? What a Joker. At least anyone reading this knows you're clearly talking out ur ass. The irony of the staement "Educate yourself" is def something. Knew you would take the cowards way out by going on a tangent.

You have not provided the evidence that he existed..

I am still waiting..

Steep:
Jesus is God, he is not a creature who became God.

Ok..

Since when does a man becomes God?

God is God

Man is man

Which process does it take a man to become God..?

GothamCities:
Show me how ifa has ever exercised any control over the nations the same way I have demonstrated to you on this thread that the God of the Bible is sovereign over the nations and therefore, He is the Creator of the world.

In what way exactly ifa superior to the Bible?

God gave ifa to the yorubas people just as how he gave the Torah to the Jewish people...
I only said it was above the bible because it is indigenous to us African. And that is what we would have been talking about if the Europeans did not come to Africa to enslve our ancestors

GothamCities:
My challenge to you what not based on what you belong but what you do.

Do christians make human sacrifices of any kind? No! Has any Christian in the history of Christianity ever made any human sacrifice to appease or please the God of the Bible? No. If anyone does, he or she would not remain a Christian.

You do make sacrifices of all kinds including humans, appease witches and worship demons. You carve wood and stone to bow down to, yet you consider yourself a human being?

I am not Yoruba

I just follow the laws of the creator of heaven and earth as contained in the Torah..
It does not include human sacrifice of any kind. It is Christians who worships a man that was executed on a tree which God considers an abomination...

I don't gather anywhere on Sunday to see women shake their bombom..

That is not what worship entails. It is about obedience to his laws and statues..

Nothing more.

GothamCities:
You need to first show where you found men making human sacrifices to found Christianity.

Is Christianity not based on the worship of a man that was nailed to a cross
And Christine believing that he was sacrificed to God for the forgiveness of sins. A sort of human sin sacrifice for sins?

Or what is Christianity based on...

GothamCities:
I have thrown you a challenge. Would you please respond?

Which is??

Luciii:
😅Typical empty vessel, all bark no bite, i still don't see any sources or evidences to back your claim just deflecting and going on tangents cause u've been caught talking nonsense and can't back it up. I purposefully mentioned the fact there were 2 mentions of Jesus in Josephus antiquities, the second, testimonuim flavonuim was a later interpolation by Christians to prove Jesus' divinity and is well know by scholars as an interpolation, the first mention is proven and legit as shown by every scholar mentioned in my previous post.

But u've got no evidence for you own dross claims so you had to find a way to deflect, by zeroing in to try and find faults in one out of the numerous citations, evidence and scholary consensuses which, just unfortunately happens to be verifiably countered by numerous scholars 😅. No source just words, ive told you i don't even believe in the bible but you try to deflect making it seem like i do simply beacuse i have common sense to put my bias aside and recognize fact, im not religous, my comment history is there 😂.

Just as there are morons out there who believe the earth is flat, we know what is fact and are ok with their delusions. Its just awesome though to demonstrate they are talking baseless nonsense without any verifiable proofs. Provide sources, evidence, scholarly backing and consensus for your ludicrous baseless claims or cowardly tuck your tails between your legs and go on a tangent admitting you were talking unverifiable baselsess nonsense. Over to you!😁

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The burden of proof is on you..
You are the one saying jesus existed...provide evidence.

I don't have have to provide proof for a negative...


Provide an article or document written by somebody who actually met him. And I will swing to your side...if you can't, then jesus is as real as Harry potter..end of story..

GothamCities:
I didn't ask you to sing a poem.

I asked a question. I gave you a logical challenge.

You are the one who chose to shot your eyes to reality. Because it does not tally with what you have been brainwashed with...

Be there..