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CatfishBilly:
You called it its name and explained it. In our last conversation, you didn't even mention the name, so, that's acknowledgement.

Lazarus Syndrome is a known entity in medicine I say again. So many explanations have been brought forward and they are being evaluated. That there's no foolproof explanation today doesn't mean there won't be one in the next 3 years.
Then, you'll have to chalk off "rising from the dead" from your list of miracles as every single medical phenomena that has confused humanity in the past and move on to the next one.

Why would I not call it by its given name or should I have constructed a non existent name for it? My calling it by name does not show acknowledgement but it shows reference to another position which wasn't mine. Get it?

Lazarus syndrome is a known entity in medicine which is shrouded in mystery so do not make it sound like its a known entity as a fact of medicine which is empirically verifiable. That would be dishonesty.

Why don't you try this. The next time a person dies on your watch and you try resuscitation and it does not work, do not put down time of death but leave him to experience the Lazarus syndrome since all who came back according to you all had resuscitation attempts first carried out on them.

Try this on 100 dead people under your watch then state your observations. Deal?

CatfishBilly:
It has been found to occur in patients in whom resuscitation was attempted with medical literature to back them up.
Isn't that significant?
At least, you now agree that Lazarus Syndrome is a thing. In our last conversation it sure didn't sound like it.

Sorry I agree to nothing. Where did you see me agree to it being a "thing"?

Lazarus syndrome is called a Phenomenon and you know why? It's because it's cause or explanation is in question.

So I ask again is Lazarus syndrome empirically verifiable in medicine?

By the way the Lazarus phenomenon also occurs in those who did not receive resuscitation attempts as well especially when nobody who was specialised in that was available.

CatfishBilly:
Shey you see, other healthcare professionals are calling out Space.tacular, let it not be that I was saying that I'm ignorant of.
Maybe you 2 can learn a thing or two.
Lazarus Syndrome is not a miracle.

Is Lazarus syndrome an empirically verified medical position?

Lazarus syndrome is called a Phenomenon and you know why? It's because it's cause or explanation is in question.

So I ask again is Lazarus syndrome empirically verifiable in medicine?

laudate:
Na wa, o! One medical doctor says she believes that this case is a medical miracle. Another one claims there is nothing like that, and goes further to attack her credentials. Why??! Can't people hold on to their beliefs, anymore? Does it make you a bad doctor, if you believe in miracles?

@spacetacular, you have made your point. Abeg, leave the atheists to continue disproving the man's testimony, without adequate proof.

Believing in the miraculous as a medical practitioner makes one sensitive and very compassionate as against all the monotony and lack of compassion from those who don't.

A lot of doctors who do not believe in Miracles would always offer you extremely depressing words even when ones health condition is true to their diagnosis. Instead of them to offer you hope via alternatives such as "Prayer" or "Make peace with your maker", they rather tell you to go home and wait till you die because medically they have nothing to offer and as such since they have nothing to offer then as far as they are concerned, you have no hope elsewhere since medicine is supposed to hold all their answers.

I go against the grain.

adepeter26:
Mr man, you're killing yourself over nothing oo. I knew deep down you're only trying to make up for past mess...

Did I say you were wrong? Hell no.... Why the online lecture.

Like I said, mission accomplished but you could keep romancing the topic for all i care

You are overly blind to obvious things. Despite the fact that F is clearly displayed beside my ID you repeatedly address me as a sir or a dude or a Mr same way you could not clearly see the difference between SURGERY and SURGEON.

Yet you want anyone to believe you are "intelligent"?. Dream on!

OtemAtum:
Are you a female...

No! The "f" by my ID stands for Friday.

adepeter26:
This guy won't kill me oo.

Why do you need to impress me? Ohh, to clear up the mess of "PHARMACOLOGY definition". Eyah. Ndo

All I requested was, "WHAT CAUSES MALARIA and not WHAT ARE THE parasites that CAUSES MALARIA".

Facedesk when face-palm couldn't help..........

Eww, trying too hard to impress me won't help you Sir

Proof that anyone knows their onions in medicine is when detailed responses are given to definite questions.

What causes Malaria? The answer is Plasmodium which are in different strands and occur in specific regions geographically. Their symptoms vary based on the strand and if you do not fully understand the individual symptoms and strands then how would you offer effective treatment?

By the way, I gave you the simplest definition of pharmacology the other day and just to get your pound of flesh from me you called it a faux pas even when you knew it wasn't.

So now can you share with me the medical research you have carried out as the acclaimed pharmacologist you are which explains all these medical mysteries and out of what knowledge you are using to criticise me.

I am patiently waiting.

adepeter26:
All the plasmodium you listed are uncalled for. Plasmodium species is ok. You can't impress me by listing them cos they are biota of me.

Anyways, I disagree with you....

God causes malaria. How about that?

Medical ignorance reeks all over you. Plasmodium species?

So since all you needed was for me to say Plasmodium species, are all their symptoms the same and are all treatments the same for all?

Why do you even think that each strain of Plasmodium had to be individually identified?

With each comment you make you keep sinking into the murky pool of "dumb" people.

adepeter26:
I ever said that to you or you decided to frame it up?

Mission accomplished.... I gat no discussion. I just played your cards at you.

Aurevior

How can anyone complete a mission they never even started? How old are you?

adepeter26:
Ewww... Me not gonna banter/trade words.

What is/are the Difference(s) between surgeon and surgery abeg, then relate it to speciality and specialist.

Now combine general surgeon and general hematologist....


Ó dull gaan

Lmao so you think SURGEON and SURGERY mean the same thing?

You really need to stick with being dumb. Trying to be smart does not look good on you sir. Be known for something and be proud to declare it even as you are currently subliminally doing so.

adepeter26:
Now I disagree with you....

God causes malaria. How about that?

I thought you said you were a Pathologist?

God causes Malaria? Really? I guess you would say that since he created all things including the malaria spreading mosquito then he is culpable.

Remind me you aren't "dumb" again please.

adepeter26:
You dae fall hands bro...

General surgeon, a speciality?
General haematologist na specialist as well.

You truly do have a "dumb" head on your shoulder.

It's GENERAL SURGERY and not GENERAL SURGEON.

surely you couldn't have missed the difference because it is right there in front of you in black and white.

adepeter26:
I love your type, the lazy ones. Swallow anything they tell them. Since you can't fathom the reason behind the cause, therefore it's God.
Have you ever done a research to know the mystery behind those unknown/hidden/uncommon medical conditions?..

If only Archibald Garod followed your footstep, the cause of Alkaptonuria wouldn't have been known.


Anyways, I have just a simple question for you;
What causes Malaria?

I will do you one better. Why don't you share with me your own research unravelling these medical mysteries. I want to believe that for you to criticise my position surely you must have carried out your own empirical research or have you not?

I see you wish to have some trickle down knowledge passed on to you.

What do all these have in common?

Plasmodium falciparum, Plasmodium vivax, Plasmodium ovale, Plasmodium malariae and
Plasmodium knowlesi

Can you now correct me on the cause of malaria? Mr Felixomor already defined you to me so your question simply buttresses his statement about you.

felixomor:
Dont answer that man.
He is one big ignoramus, who takes pride in his folly.

Sorry to say.

It shows in the way he composed his comments.

ExInferis:
You keep hammering about being in the UK like that somehow validates your fallacy.

Your UK and US don't faze me. You've no idea where I am or where I've been.

Meanwhile I've nothing against god or those who believe.

But I've a problem with shallow minds and ignorant fools who fight against logic to believe in what is scientifically, physically, even ethereally impossible.

Some asshole says he dies, wakes up, and is miraculously healed. And you swallow it hook line and sinker and yet you've a problem with my disdain for your stupidity.

Believe all you want, but don't attack me for not believing and calling this hogwash for what it is.

Keep wallowing in your cuckoo land.

This is my diagnosis for you free of charge.

Wake up every morning and repeat 50 times (ExInferis is logical) x 50

Do this every day for a month and maybe, just maybe you would begin believing that lie.

adepeter26:
Them use speciality disclosure swear for you?
That was how you requested for CatfishBilly on a particular thread yet didn't provide yours.

He uploaded a scanned copy of his license but your dumb headed skull couldn't be decipher it wasn't the original

My practice is not in Nigeria and I never studied medicine in Nigeria so how was I to know what a true Nigerian medical licence looked like?

Your "dumb" head which you try to deceive many with as being logical should have inferred that to you.

dalaman:
What is your own specialty? Answer it and don't run from it.

Run from what? How and why would I run from my truthful assertion? My specialty is General surgery.

OtemAtum:
Here I shall not be actually placing little gods side by side Almighty their creator, but I shall take only a very very insignificant aspect of God and place him side by side with Yahweh and let's see who achieved more.
I pick BILL GATE, a little part of the UNIVERSAL ENERGY called GOD.

1. Bill Gate developed windows app, Yahweh killed humanity(millions of years back).

2. Ask Bill Gate(google) any question bothering you, within seconds he will provide the best of answers. Yahweh is a dumb part of the Universal Consciousness.

3. Bill Gate gave billions for charity. Yahweh destroyed billions of assets.

4. Bill Gate donated money for Africa development, Yahweh through tithes and offerings consumed money, using his pastors.

5. Bill Gate is among the richest man in the world, Yahweh is the begger in the holy book.

6. The star of Bill Gate is shining brighter, the light of yahweh is growing dimmer and on life support.

7. Bill Gate lives in a PARADISE ON EARTH, Yahweh is currently in his SPIRITUAL PRISON.


Wilgrea7, Asuustrike2017, Junia, Jacksonville, Muafrika2, Kingebukasblog, Felixomor, Luvmijeje

Who else thinks this person is clearly educated yet still an illiterate?

How shallow can anyone be?

infolekan:
The force is poverty my friend on one end and the need to show off on the other end.
Ask how many go to church when they travel out. You'll be shocked. The love for God is easier measured when you don't need anything from God than when all your prayers are for material blessings and protection from village people.

Going to church is and has never been the yardstick for measuring Christianity. Going to church is just like attending classes in school for instruction so you can step out and begin to practice what you were taught.

However the Bible also said in John 14:26 and 1st John 2:27 that the Holy Spirit will teach you all things. You can actually sit with the word of God in your room and allow the Holy Spirit to breathe God's word on you and in you and your mind would be blown away. I do this at least twice a week and also go to church but I discovered that I receive more and get better grounded when I receive directly from the Holy Spirit.

Poverty isn't what draws People to God, Love is! Those who come based on poverty and other stuff outside of love are like the seeds that fell on the rock. They sprout quickly because the soil is shallow but their root was on the surface. Those ones get pulled away easily because situations of life brought them and same situations of life can take them away. But a man who loves God regardless of those situations of life is a good soil.

ExInferis:
Your case is hopeless.

You're too far gone.

Too far gone to where please? You are actually the lost cause here. You hear the word GOD and you get all panicky and begin to loose your mind and this shows in how badly you wish to discredit anything and everything verifiably linked to God's intervention.

I was like you even as a Nigerian resident in the UK but it took my colleague who happens to be a white British man who preached me into Christ and in Christ I am resolute and saved which I cannot say for you being the lost cause here.

In my line of work I see medically unjustifiable and unexplainable happen regularly and it further digs me deeper into Christ. I see people receive hope in their situation and a new lease of life the moment they embrace Christ which is something they never had when away from Him and you have to wonder, what or who could cause such a tangible radical change in such persons if he wasn't real? What or who would give verifiably self experiencing track records of change and growth if it or He wasn't a part of the change process?

You need to take several seats.

jesusson22:
At 8 years old, Andrea Grant was the victim of a gas explosion at home which burnt her and her brother. Last year, her pregnancy shoot went viral after doctors said she wouldn't get past the 4th month of pregnancy.
The mum of two has defied odds.

See photos below...

http://www.lubeynaija.com/2017/06/meet-beautiful-burn-survivor-who.html?m=1

I read about her case when it happened in 2001. She is a gem and a glory of God's making.

She is an American, resident in America and the doctors who told her she would not go beyond her 4th month of pregnancy are American medical specialists yet she beat the odds. She suffered 3rd degree burns to about 90% of her body.

Cc Iamanigerianguy

feel free to tell me that medicine has all the answers. I am also a medical practitioner with general surgery as my specialty. Studied and resident in the UK and even I know my place when it comes to God and medicine. So iamanigerianguy come here and share your medical knowledge here and put me to shame.

ExInferis:
We all know how it starts.

Have you forgotten the pastor who called heaven on his mobile phone?

Or TB Joshua who fought satan's lieutenant?

It's all on YouTube.

I am unaware of these examples you just gave. However regarding the person who claimed to have called heaven on his mobile phone, knowing how people upload on YouTube I am sure they only uploaded the part featuring the alleged phone call and not the entire video from the beginning. I am sure an explanation would have been seen if the entire video was put up and for Pastor Joshua his case is a possibility because even here in the UK we see demonically manipulated and oppressed people a lot.

People who in their time of possession can tell you where you were and what you did even those times when you were all alone. We see them cry out that they belong to Satan when being prayed for (and these are white people, not black) so with such similarities how and why would I doubt pastor Joshua? Should I doubt him simply because he is "Nigerian"?

You say "we" all know how it starts but as far as I am concerned you are alone in that position because he has not mentioned anything about running a church and you should stop with the hasty generalisation.

Maybe you should try attempting to actually see things for yourself, by yourself rather than depending on YouTube.

IamaNigerianGuy:
You keep on shifting the goal posts. First God did it now it is a case of Lazarus syndrome.
I am a christian and a doctor. I separate my concerns. Not once in my training did I come across God as an explanation for a medical occurrence.
In fact summoning God to explain your cases is a certain recipe for failure.
Don't bother I wont engage you any more.

You were the one who first mentioned Lazarus so I had to help you with an expansion.

Medicine tries to use anything and everything to explain what is clearly known and seen to them as unexplainable simply because they want to always have an opinion and feel they hold all secrets to the human body when the very foundation of life which is DNA is yet a huge mystery even with all the advancement we have made.

When did I allude all to God? You stated your observations and I did same and simply because I do not agree with you then I am a medical "disgrace"? You must be a clown.

Since you allude this to autoresuscitation, can you explain how it occurred via your conclusion Since you claim to know everything about how death and resurrection occurs via autoresuscitation.

Clearly state the methodology involved so we can be guaranteed of the same results every time anyone dies and we want him to resurrect.

By the way I ask again, what is your specialty?

IamaNigerianGuy:
At times like this I am ashamed to be a Nigerian. The country is covered by a cloud of ignorance.
Can you believe there are actual medical practitioners on this forum who believe that rubbish ?

And they should believe you? What is your specialty?

IamaNigerianGuy:
I am a medical doctor and if you are in any way, shape or form allied to the medical profession you are a disgrace.
We are supposed to educate the citizenry not add to their ignorance.
When you start believing people wake up from the dead, it's time for you to look for another profession.
No wonder Nigeria is sh.it

You sir are THE disgrace to medicine. Even medicine is blank with regard to a lot and yet you sit there and claim to have cracked it all?

I asked you to educate me on the Lazarus syndrome phenomenon since it holds all your answers. Can you do that now?

I am in the UK and it's people like you who make medical practice shitty over there. Do you think doctors hate God?

IamaNigerianGuy:
I am a medical doctor and if you are in any way, shape or form allied to the medical profession you are a disgrace.
We are supposed to educate the citizenry not add to their ignorance.
When you start believing people wake up from the dead, it's time for you to look for another profession.
No wonder Nigeria is sh.it

So you "claim" to be a medical doctor? Prove your claim sir by stating your specialty.

ExInferis:
Pure lies.

Not only was he resurrected, his heart miraculously healed as well.

Next he's gonna start a church and rope in the gullible fools that abound in christendom.

Does it make sense to you bringing a future argument when nothing you mentioned has happened? Did he say he plans to run some church? You say Christians are gullible while you are being gullible through ignorance and hearsay.

IamaNigerianGuy:
Respond to my points with valid medical reasoning. Stop making ad hominem attacks.
I am waiting for an intelligent learned response befitting a medical practitioner @spectacular

I am not like those who fancy debates with people. I say you are ignorant and you say I am and I am fine with that.

If I choose to go full medical with you, you would need to go back to medical school for an update "that is if you are even medically inclined"..

felixomor:
The guy is funny.
He says he wants to see the images himself like he is a specialist.
He believes the story on nairaland, but doubts the diagnosis on Nairaland also.

What a joke.

He is being unavoidably silly to say the least. Yes he thinks himself as the final authority who can put his seal of approval on this as if anyone appointed him for that.

I remember reading about this some days ago and saw where some even said his hospital picture was photoshopped and a fake and I just laughed. If he gets the imaging results he would also claim they were falsified.

IamaNigerianGuy:
You are a medical practitioner and you believe he was raised from the dead ?
The Raising of Lazarus was a textbook or course in your days in medical school?

Are you Shocked? I am a medical practitioner and yes people die and return a lot which was how the medically unexplainable phenomenon called Lazarus syndrome was coined. Have you been able to crack the Lazarus syndrome phenomenon yourself?

Share this profound knowledge with me please. Lol

IamaNigerianGuy:
You are not writing like one.

I stand by my statement that the patient was erroneously categorized as dead. That is very clear to me maybe not to you. If you have taken an ACLS course at the minimum you would have come across this explained.
No retreat on that point.EVER.

I also state that to prove that a VSD in this adult has closed spontaneously, I must see evidence, and not oral evidence from a layman, journalist or the patient viz IMAGING supporting the claim with comparison data taken before the alledged closure.

Is that an issue for you ?

I

Word of advice and caution. Rather than your current display of ignorance based on your inner vexation why not make some effort to reach out to the young man or his doctor and prove or disprove him.

You sound like you need antidepressants.

IamaNigerianGuy:
This is not a miracle. It is a phenomenon well documented in the medical literature. It has happened before and will happen again.

The patient was mistakenly diagnosed as deceased after what was probably a cardiac arrest. He in all likelihood had spontaneous resumption of cardiac and circulatory activity. The technical term is ROSC
"A patient is not dead until he is warm and dead" is what you are taught in emergency medicine courses because cold preserves the vital organs and can allow recovery later.

In 19th century Europe and America , there were so many cases of people mistakenly thought dead who woke up, that a practice was established of keeping the 'corpse' in a room for 24 to 48 hours with a bell beside him/her. Friends and relatives would gather expectantly waiting with hope. If he awoke he was supposed to ring the bell.
That is the origin of the term 'wake keeping'

You talk about "warm and dead" when he was put down as "dead" in Australia and flown from there to India which was a 13hr flight and his corpse was not "iced". Surely he was "warm and dead" for over 13 hours before being put in the mortuary in India. So can you medically explain how "warm and dead" is out of place here?