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raumdeuter:
That is a big fallacy, You play football its not powerpoint presentation. You go out there and put your body on the line. Its easy to point here and there

Shebi all of us go dey studios and viewing centers pointing what this person should have done or not. Shebi all dem Neville go dey carry touchpad dey talk what someone should have done or not

Remove these so called brains and the agressive partners can still hold the defence like Vidic showed in Man Utd, but any defender whose game is based on pointing and pointing how will he cope

LMFAO.......It's obvious you have never played football. It's no wonder you just keep analysing like a typical keyboard warrior. You are all about brute force and diving in rather than being smart and composed. If you were a defender you will be worst a version of Phil Jones.

raumdeuter:
Who will watch the game and rate Ferdinand higher? Maybe because he is English

Ferdinand left, Vidic is still pairing Evans OShea Brown to win league titles

LMFAO. .....Believe Whatever rocks your boat. Lol what an old statement. Xavi left and iniesta Was still winning league titles with rakitic. Xavi must have been useless. Rest with this your agenda.

[quote author= post=88913512]They are 2 different positions in central defence....5 & 6.
One is the first to tackle/mark/intercept (Vidic, Carvalho, Kompany), the other cover up, organize the back 4, and also the brain of the defence, good with the ball, can join attack( Ferdinand, Terry, Van dirk).

You can't just say one is better than the other....

The vidic/Carvalho/Kompany will struggle against skillful attackers but overcome strong attackers...

Ferdinard/Terry will struggle against physical attackers but overcome skillful attackers.[/quote]Can't believe I am agreeing with you but you nailed it.In modern defending the centrebacks act as a partnership, one attacks the ball, the other tracks the runner. Both Centre backs dont do the same job. Most people will always believe the more aggressive partner is better than the calm ones who read the game better that's why it always comes down to preference and style of play we like.

larride:
Will always be rated higher? By who?


Who rates Ferdinand higher than Vidic?

LMFAO.....Ferdinand is always rated above Vidic by United fans and will make a United greatest xi before Vidic.

Leyqute:
It’s not a debate. If you you’ve watched these players play you’d know who the backbone is and who the hyped player is.

LMFAO......Once again it remains your opinion as others will also have their own contrasting opinions. None of what you wrote are facts.

raumdeuter:
Some opinion are almost facts e.g Ronaldo better than Zaha

For those particular comparism he mentioned they are not facts.

Leyqute:
Carvalho >>>>>> Terry
Vidic >>>>>>> Ferdinand

LMFAO....... To say one is better than the other will ALWAYS be a matter of opinion not facts. Ferdinand will always be rated higher than Vidic.

Skimpledawg:
Thats true man. I think one time that period we met at a final, Quarters/Semi final two-leg and then EPL again. The vibe then was hot

2006/2007 we met fa cup final Chelsea won then the next season 2007/2008 we met again Community shield we won and later that season champions league final we won on penalities.
Even in the league we only topped Chelsea by 2 points and won the league on the final day of the season. Very hot vibes back then.

timbros:
Man Utd's players hated Chelsea and Jose Mourinho so much they celebrated when Liverpool knocked them out of the Champions League in 2007!

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/23/wayne-rooney-manchester-united-squad-celebrated-liverpool-beating-chelsea-reveals-jamie-carragher-12597359/?fbclid=IwAR0aWON6QAS5GBIDQypIvn3zX3bn69qygUntAwIUfWCN6k1Z1caL6lkpb4k

Imagine! They preferred to potentially play a bitter rival in the final than Chelsea.

But Kaka and AC Milan had other ideas

Why am I not surprised lol. Every United fan hated Chelsea during that period from 2006 to 2009. Your guys were so annoying and became a nightmare for us every time we met. We should have faced each other in 2 consecutive Champions final during that period.

Swissh:
Eph12 come and see your Ighalo

LMFAO......I am very sure Odemwingie is still West Brom All-Time Premier League Goalscorer same with Yakubu at Portsmouth.

kokaneprodigy:
verily verily I say unto you

this issue has been over flogged, even your fellow scummies can’t deny this. Reason they panic since more clubs are reading from the scummies best selling hand book, titled

“Do it the United Way”
Written by Ferguson
Edited by Howard Webb

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kokaneprodigy:
is that what you tell your lecturer when you miss his class?

I ask again explain how United bought our league titles and provide concrete proofs to go along with them or else keep shut.

kokaneprodigy:
this issue has been over flogged, even your fellow scummies can’t deny this. Reason they panic since more clubs are reading from the scummies best selling hand book, titled

“Do it the United Way”
Written by Ferguson
Edited by Howard Webb

LMFAO......Please flog the issue one last time with me in attendance.

kokaneprodigy:
Where was FFP when u scummies were buying the league.

go to court and sleep there.

LMFAO.....Now explain how United bought our league titles and provide concrete proofs to go along with them.

CapitalCee:
I have actively watched all world cups from 1994, but France 98 was the best. See stars.

-Valderramma and Asprilla from Colombia.
- Beirhoff and Klinsmann from Germany.
- Kluivert, Seedorf, Davies, Bergkamp, Stam, De Boer brothers from Netherlands.
- Brazil was lite. Ceaser Sampiao was the unsung hero.
France was laden with stars, the only surprise was Stéphane Guivarc'h starting.
Mihajlovic of Yugoslavia.
Croatia has Suker, Prosinecki,
Denmark has Sand, Laudrup and Schmeichel.
Italy was overloaded.
Romania with Hagi and co.

I just remembered this post from kimbeast a while back. The 1998 world cup was something else from defenders to midfielders to attackers

Kimbeast:
De lima Ronaldo was playing against the best defenders of all time.

Here are some of the defenders present at the 1998 World Cup.

Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Costacurta
Fabio Cannavaro
Alessandro Nesta
Gianluca Pessotto
Bixente lizarazu
Marcel Desailly
Lilian Thuram
Laurent Blanc
Carlos Gamarra
Fernando Hierro
Miguel Nadal
Jaap Stam
Frank de boer
Jurgen Kohler
A very old Lothar Matthaus
Sinisa Mijhalovic
Ivan Cordoba
Sol Campbell
Tony Adams
Roberto Ayala
Javier zanetti

.

CapitalCee:
True true, Football that time was hard ooo, those attackers that period de try oo. See intensity. Where is raumdeuter? Come and see World cup final defensive performance, no be dat audio one wey you de dash Boateng for 2014.

Lol back then intentionally elbowing a striker in the face was a perfectly valid defensive play rather than a penalty and red card. Some of all these ajebutter strikers and players of today won't be able to cope.

Kimbeast:
I know he was immense in 2002 but What if I told you he was better in 98 than 02?

Ronaldo had a great World Cup 98 and was the best player I still believe if he didn't had that seizure Brazil would have won , but it was not entirely his World Cup; Rivaldo was immense, as were the french team, Vieiri, Luis Hernandez, Salas, Suker, Bergkamp and Frank De Boer, Laudrup brothers, etc... This was a World Cup where almost every team brought in something to the table.

CapitalCee:
- Neuer did not dominate 2014. He might be the best Keeper but did not dominate that world cup.

- Likewise Buffon in 2006, though he conceded 2 goals(zaccardo own goal vs USA and Zidane penalty in the final), and he was phenomenal, but dominate? No. That world cup belongs to Zidane, and Cannavaro.

- 1994 world cup Baresi was the best defender and among the best players overall in that tournament. But Romario and the Holy Pony tail Baggio were the dominant figures in that tournament.

It's not a comparism between those keepers/Defenders and the players you mentioned. Baresi was the best defender in that tournament likewise Buffon in 2006 and Neuer in 2014. Dominate respective of their positions.

chic2pimp:
Let me throw this out there. We all can name several Attack minded players that dominated a tournament or another. Now what If I asked you to name a Defender or a Goalkeeper that either dominated a Tournament or came closest to doing so, who would you pick? One of each preferably.

Neuer at 2014 World Cup and Buffon at 2006 World Cup.
Defenders - Cannavaro in 2006 World Cup, Baresi in 1994 World Cup and Nesta in 2003 Champions League.

chic2pimp:
Most will say Maradona in 86 so I'll take a different route and say PLATINI 84.

His achievement of 9 goals in just 5 games in Euro '84 won't be beaten any time soon.

afrodoc2:
The man was finished by 27 at the latest.
The last season at Barca and the whole Milan experience was executed by the carcass of Ronaldinho.

Despite being an all time great he has to be in the running for greatest waste of talent ever.
Alcohol, Junk food, Late night partying will do that to you.

Just to add to that I think his mentality became to just have fun and lost that competitive edge to his game.

If you look at Romário, who also liked women and booze and was known to be the first to arrive the training ground because he came directly from the night clubs, he hired a personal trainer and a nutritionist in order to keep himself fit while doing exercises and also he had a very competitive personality. Ronaldinho was exactly the opposite. It's laughable that considering all that he won both individual and collectively he is still considered a wasted talent. That says alot.

Godx:
I have this random question to ask. Anyone interested give and answer with your reason. What in your opinion is the greatest individual performance in an entire Cup tournament( World cup, Champions league, Euros) etc.

Maradonna 1986 World cup.

This has to be the greatest individual performance by a player in a tournament. His 5goals and 5assists don't even tell the whole story.

Swissh:
For me it's definitely Ronaldinho. He was a magician.

Ronaldinho was an absolute artist and you could see that he was doing it with such fun and happiness. Bad thing he was finished at 29.

odizeey:
Same here. De lima was the deal.

His injuries robbed us from witnessing the greatest player of all time!

What's your favourite player of all time? Not who you think is the greatest, just your favourite to watch. Mine is Delima Ronaldo. Combination of speed, strength, power, dribbling and finishing. He was too much of a beast.

Swissh:
Chelsea reaching and winning this champions league final should be a prove to everyone that God exist. That's the greatest miracle of the 21st century.

LMFAO.....The worst team to ever win the champions league.

Leyqute:
What is the style of our current coach and how will Harry Kane fit into it?

LMFAO.....I asked you a question and instead of answering you twisted it to ask me the exact same thing lol. Guy Harry Kane will fit into each and any style we currently operate. He works hard, Can drop into midfield, create for others as well, play as a target man + his hold up play is superb and most importantly can bang in lots of goals as well. He is a complete striker by all proportion.

Leyqute:
Get the point dude.

United should not buy players that don’t fit into the style of the coach or into the team.

You think it’s all about buying players. Aburo Ed Woodward.

LMFAO......What is the style of our current team and tell me how Harry Kane doesn't fit into it.

ChristineC:
since Bruno Fernandes' first game against Wolves in January, United have scored 35 times in 17 games all competitions. approx. +2.06 goals per game all without last season's top scorer and assist leader in Pogba, and without this season's top scorer in Rashford; but I'm being asked me where the goal scorers are.

LMFAO.....I asked you just two questions and you didn't provide an answer so I will ask again.

1) if it was to be Lewandoski United was going for will you say he is not needed or you only have a problem with the Harry Kane?

2)Can you list those in our current team that are guaranteed goal scorers?

Leyqute:
We need to stop buying players because they are available. Sanchez’s purchase should have taught us enough lessons.

LMFAO.....Is United the first club to buy a player that didn't work out as expected? So because Sanchez flop United should not buy world class players that are available or what.

eph12:
That amount they are quoting is too much. If Kane is going for a bit half of that, we won't be having this discussion. Sanchez is still on 350k+ weekly

If his argument was the price being quoted then I have no disagreement about it. It's the part of United does not need Kane that I am trying to figure out. That's why I am asking him if the striker was lewandoski will he say we don't need him and should stick with Martial.

ChristineC:
the topic isn't about Lewandowski. United don't need Kane.
he's going to score, of course, yet I don't think he's an essential. it's a commodity United can afford to overlook and still be on track.
In case you didn't notice, there are goals in the team and the missing component has been creativity. we have it on the left, we have it through the middle, we have it from deep if Pogba stays. we just need to find it on the right as well and we wouldn't require a 25-goal CF to have success.

The topic is about United going for a top striker and you saying you don't think United need a top striker which is why I am asking if it was to be Lewandoski United was going for will you say he is not needed as well and Who are those in our current team that are guaranteed goal scorers?