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Swissh:
I very much preferred the Puyol and Ramos dragging. Spillo1 come and drop more about them using Phil Jones, eph12 greatest player as reference

LMFAO....

Godx:
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He does that in a smart way, cutting off the angles and basically forcing the attacker into a bad choice. He is incredible in 1 vs 1 situations. Committing to the tackle is for guys who aren't confident of their ability to force a striker into a bad position. i can smell your hatred for him all through your post. You have sworn never to admit anything about him so let's just end it. I don't like people that can never be objective.

LORD.......I wish I can like the bold a million times. What a perfect explanation. Last season Van dijk attempted 38 tackles and came out with a perfect score of not being dribbled past. What Van Dijk does is ensure that he is not fully exposed by commiting recklessly, and he instead looks to stay with his man, force a decision, intercept or block the ball. This highlights his superb reading of the game and near-flawless defending. Ferdinand was similar. He used to go on many matches without committing a foul, 30+ games sometimes, because he didn't have to engage attackers physically to shut them down.

kendrick93:
Are you saying he's the same as Sergio Ramos but with less red cards?

LMFAO.....Ramos, Puyol are descent defenders at best with poor positioning ability that's why they are caught out of positions regularly and always lunging into tackles recklessly. Some of their defensive mishaps would have Phil Jones shaking his head. But I actually like Ramos.
As Defenders i dont consider them as good as their trophy cabinet might say.
However as players, captains and what they bring to their various teams they make up for their faults as defenders.

popizaino:
You think the dribble from Dimaria will erase the fact that he was an excellent defender? His accolades speaks for him. Whatever you think your perfect kind of defender was good at Puyol was definitely better at it. Be it on air, composure on the ball and defensive organisation Puyol was excellent at it all.

LMFAO.......Bro rest I watched Puyol all through his prime. His reputation is all about his winning mentality and fighting spirit not his ability as a defender. He is massively overrated and his positional sense is very poor, which forces him to lunge into tackles and do last-ditch tackles, which people self-service themselves silly over, despite it being a result of his bad positioning. He is Caragher with a little more brain.

popizaino:
Lol. I was actually agreeing with your previous points before you decided to include the bolded.


Puyol garbage
Stop this joke

LMFAO.....Yes Puyol positioning was absolute garbage. For anybody to rate Puyol more than just a decent defender is delusional.

raumdeuter:
Organizing is what all top defenders can do. Its now left if when called to act and get stuck can you do it without faltering or you will be running from attackers like VVD and Rio

Boateng Nesta, Canavaro Maldidni, Ramos, Puyol, Pique Vidic Carvalho can all organize and can still excel in getting stuck in, Its useless defenders that claim their key strenght is organizing defence

LMFAO.....Sorry I had to come back to this. Is that puyol I am seeing lmao. Puyol that couldn't read a game to save his life and his positioning was garbage. Puyol the Spanish Carrager and last ditch tackle merchant. Small boy are you even up to 20.

Expert17:
He is not good Leeds united paid 18m (Transfer record), made captain at 21 years old,....... left for Manchester United 2002 @ 30m, breaking the transfer fee again....

From this range 1992-2013........ 2003 - 2006 was fergie worst time @ united because of those stupid keepers and defenders .......P.neville, Heinze, Howard, Caroll etc

It's baffling the length people will go to sell their agenda. Unlike Vidic who was the last piece of a world class defense, Ferdinand found himself the main man in a very weak defense. Mick was a poor man's Rojo, our goalkeepers were garbage, Blanc was finished, Oshea was blowing hot and cold and Wes brown had a long term relationship with the treatment room. The only two solid
defenders that were manageable was Neville and Heinze,

Expert17:
2002 i was old enough to know how good Ferdinard was for Sir Alex to break our transfer record....
Why wont he struggle, he will partner Brown today, Oshea tomorrow, Silvestre next tomorrow, Blanc another time
Caroll, Howard and Barthez dropping album week in- week out

Evra is attacking, also got the energy to recover..... If you dnt know Evra was an upgrade to P.neville and Heinze, i cant help you again.

For the last time Vanderser, Vidic and Evra improved our back-line not just Vidic.

Fergie last season 2012/2013 Ferdinard and Evans played most of the matches.

At your first sentence. I was mad when Ferguson sold Stam. Stam/young Rio would've been a one
partnership that would've brought 1-2 premiership titles more instead he had to partner dross in our defense.

Expert17:
Big lie.....

Caroll, Howard and Barthez committing blunder every game ......costing more than 7+ points per season

Even left back was rubbish,.... Oshea, Heinze, P.Neville managing there...

Vidic, Evra and Vanderser solved the back line isssue, not just vidic

LMFAO.....Spot on again. Ferdinand actually won the league playing alongside old man Blanc & Silvestre, with Neville and calamity Barthez if I remember correctly. That was how good
he was.

Leyqute:
You’re funny. When I provided stats on and compared Harry Kane and Aguero you disappeared.

What level has VVD reached to justify comparing him with Vidic? He’s intelligent and reads the game well, I agree but level pass level.

You were provided with official stats from the EPL you say they’re fake.

What level has VVD reached? Let’s discuss that first.

LMFAO.....What was my business with your Aguero and Kane comparison? You made a statement that Kane won't fit our style of play and when I asked you what style of play is that instead of giving a direct answer you twisted and asked met he exact question because you had absolutely nothing to say. You have done the exact same thing here again.

Leyqute:
LooL. What level has VVD reached? Let’s discuss that first.

LMFAO......I was expecting this. You have done twice before. You won't answer the particular question but ask another question as cover up. You did it with the Harry Kane issue and you have repeated it here again.

Leyqute:
Don’t compare VVD with Vidic abeg.

I asked a simple question. What level did Vidic reach that Van dijk hasn't gotten to?

Expert17:
Yes.....some can both defend and help in attack

Some of vidic statistics is missing,.... but cant be upto Van dirk

LMFAO.....How can Vidic have 0 passes forward and backward. That site always does stupid things.

raumdeuter:
Can anyone open this link and help educate him
When I told you I have forgotten more football than you have watched this is an example, I am even willing to educate you on the club you claim to support while you LMFAO

https://www.premierleague.com/players/2935/Nemanja-Vidic/stats?co=1&se=17

LMFAO.......This is garbage. I asked you what level Vidic reached that Van dijk has not reached and you pulled out this crap lol. Small boy rest

raumdeuter:
Something like this not just traffic warden pointing on the field and forming community organizer

This is why Vidic will always be better than that Dutch Sanwooolu

Fake stats. We have never conceded only 16goals in a league season.

raumdeuter:
At the level watchers of football who watched both keenly will know and tell you Vidic is head and shoulders above that traffic warden

LMFAO.....OK.

raumdeuter:
There is no top defender who does not understand positional play, they dont need an external person to tell them where and how to position themselves

That is why none of those will ever get to the level of Vidic Ramos never mind Nesta and Canavaro

LMFAO....And what level did Vidic get to that Van dijk hasn't reached.

Same reason why a player like busquet is not rated here enough compared to someone like kante because he doesn't run around fouling people.

raumdeuter:
Interesting

I am sure I have forgotten more football than you have watched

Tell me your first football game you watched, I will tell you I have been watching since the 80s before LMFAO became a thing

LMFAO. ....Keeep your audio 80's to yourself. Your football knowledge is as bad as trump presidency small boy.

raumdeuter:
Organizing is what all top defenders can do. Its now left if when called to act and get stuck can you do it without faltering or you will be running from attackers like VVD and Rio

Boateng Nesta, Canavaro Maldidni, Ramos, Puyol, Pique Vidic Carvalho can all organize and can still excel in getting stuck in, Its useless defenders that claim their key strenght is organizing defence

LMFAO. .....small boy so much of defending is about positioning not those rubbish you typed. Many times it won't lead to be tackle or interception but to the opponents passing elsewhere or delaying it long enough for the midfield to get back in shape. Failure to understand positional play results in players like Ferdinand,dijk underrated in comparison to more brute force players like vidic etc.

raumdeuter:
No one is downgrading them, we all watched them from the beginning of their careers and we knew some of them were bang average who are just trying to launder their images post retirement

Na new generation youtube fans like you think football is played by pointing

LMFAO. ....Stop showing your young age small boy. People like you who don't know anything will be the first to type rubbish about generation. It's young boys like you that believe every defender should be diving into reckless challenges all the time. Guy rest. You rate vidic keep it to yourself and let others rate who they want.

larride:
Lol. You must be trolling.

Ok and you must be a wum.

raumdeuter:
Then you tell us who was acting as the thinker in those scenarios

Defenders will be on the field forming activiy and claim to be thinking and doing leadership. You think Vidic Carvalho Ramos and Kompany getting stuck were also not thinking and leading their defence? But all dem Rio Terry and VVD that have no function on the field will claim their major job is to point like yellow fever

LMFAO. ....Oga defenders are not restricted in their abilities. They can poses both and excel in one or both. Ramos is a perfect example of that You are not the governor of football and people that have to follow your biased Phil Jones sense in rating defenders.

raumdeuter:
You that you have played ball and won balon dor 10 times

I have asked you who was the thinker between Varane and Ramos
Who was the thinker between Kompany and Lescott, Demichelis, Mangala Otamendi

LMFAO..And in your thick Head you believe players can't have both abilities.

nitrogen:
Forget opinion jare, we watched both of them.

We all know that English players get hyped big time....

We also know people like you who are there to downgrade them. I am not even castigating you for saying vidic is better as its totally valid same as well is saying Ferdinand was better.

raumdeuter:
Xavi left there was still Busquets and Iniesta.

With your logic was it Johnny Evans or Oshea that was reading the game for Vidic to win the league

LMFAO.....No it was dayo the brother of Phil Jones.

nitrogen:
He is rated above Vidic because he is English. Vidic was better.

And you are doing the exact opposite by underating him because he is English. it goes both ways bro. Vidic was better that's your opinion. others have theirs.

raumdeuter:
That is a big fallacy, You play football its not powerpoint presentation. You go out there and put your body on the line. Its easy to point here and there

Shebi all of us go dey studios and viewing centers pointing what this person should have done or not. Shebi all dem Neville go dey carry touchpad dey talk what someone should have done or not

Remove these so called brains and the agressive partners can still hold the defence like Vidic showed in Man Utd, but any defender whose game is based on pointing and pointing how will he cope

LMFAO.......It's obvious you have never played football. It's no wonder you just keep analysing like a typical keyboard warrior. You are all about brute force and diving in rather than being smart and composed. If you were a defender you will be worst a version of Phil Jones.

raumdeuter:
Who will watch the game and rate Ferdinand higher? Maybe because he is English

Ferdinand left, Vidic is still pairing Evans OShea Brown to win league titles

LMFAO. .....Believe Whatever rocks your boat. Lol what an old statement. Xavi left and iniesta Was still winning league titles with rakitic. Xavi must have been useless. Rest with this your agenda.

[quote author= post=88913512]They are 2 different positions in central defence....5 & 6.
One is the first to tackle/mark/intercept (Vidic, Carvalho, Kompany), the other cover up, organize the back 4, and also the brain of the defence, good with the ball, can join attack( Ferdinand, Terry, Van dirk).

You can't just say one is better than the other....

The vidic/Carvalho/Kompany will struggle against skillful attackers but overcome strong attackers...

Ferdinard/Terry will struggle against physical attackers but overcome skillful attackers.[/quote]Can't believe I am agreeing with you but you nailed it.In modern defending the centrebacks act as a partnership, one attacks the ball, the other tracks the runner. Both Centre backs dont do the same job. Most people will always believe the more aggressive partner is better than the calm ones who read the game better that's why it always comes down to preference and style of play we like.

larride:
Will always be rated higher? By who?


Who rates Ferdinand higher than Vidic?

LMFAO.....Ferdinand is always rated above Vidic by United fans and will make a United greatest xi before Vidic.

Leyqute:
It’s not a debate. If you you’ve watched these players play you’d know who the backbone is and who the hyped player is.

LMFAO......Once again it remains your opinion as others will also have their own contrasting opinions. None of what you wrote are facts.