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raumdeuter:
Yet some fans are trying to compare this to Pep

There was deadwood in City that needed clearing out. Pep recognized it and cut them off he wasn't offering them extensions. Silva as brilliant as he is, has been told this is his last season

At Man Utd did the manager recognize these players as deadwood?
Rojo negotiated an extension in April 2018
Valencia negotiated a contract extension in April 2017
Darmian negotiated an extension early last season
Phil Jones same thing negotiated an extension early last season
Smalling negotiated an extension early last season
Ashley Young negotiated an extension early last season
You cannot call them deadwood and you are still extending their contracts or signing old players

Jose for some reasons trusted older players than younger ones. He was given backing but he trusted Young over Shaw, He bought Matic and Alexis who were very close to 30 Zlatan who was mid 30 and chased a 29yr old Perisic. 2yrs later you are seeking replacements for Zlatan Matic and Alexis

Woodward should have allowed Mourinho to sign Alderwereld and Boateng probably to 5yrs contract each with an automatic 3yrs renewal
With Mourinho, Kompany and David Silva will be negotiating to sign a new 5yr contract

At this point Lindelof and Pogba who are young in age are the only usable players acquired by a manager who spent about 400M on transfers

The damage Mourinho did to Man Utd will take 3 seasons to clear out..

Even though OGS is not top notch tactically, the clearing of Sanchez Darmian and Smalling out of the team already gives him 3/10. If he can add Jones, Young, Rojo, Bailly to the clearance he will get to 5/10 regardless of position on the table

You cannot be asking for new signings when you have a lot of dross on the team collecting salary and consuming oxygen

Go away with your biased write up. Any manager who starts with having Aguero, KdB, David Silva, Fernandinho and Kompany already in team has a great spine, talent and experience already at disposal. Not to forget Yaya then. On top of that Pep spent more. Pep also had advantage, since Txiki and Soriano were there and the plans to bring Pep to City was in place continuously, it would have had impact on how City shaped team building, behind the scenes.
For Mourinho, though he too had some decent talent, the rebuilding job was far bigger with United switching from directionless lunatic Moyes to stubborn LvG to him. United were in far worse shape when Mourinho took over than City were for Pep.

Swissh:
Neymar never wanted to leave Psg. Barca and Madrid were fighting to sign him but he rejected both. Now Psg has the 2nd deadliest strike force in Europe.

Neymar behind icardi - mbappe

This should be illegal.

Kimbeast:
Definitely. Zidane is simply overrated.

Never forget when the Laudrups brother destroyed us at France 98.

gensteejay:
I don't have time to waste on dolts. Big bang has nothing to do with belief, but knowledge — evidence-based knowledge.

Don't quote me again to spew your tripe.

You need deliverance from stupidity.

gensteejay:
Why don't you follow the research of the geneticists, biologists, physicists around the world, who are part of the Project 2045?

At least common sense should tell you that we, homo sapiens, will not be here forever, just like earlier species became extinct.

Only a fool will not know that scientists will one day create man. Look at advances made in robotics, stem cell technology, genetics.

You are high. Is people like you that believe in rubbish things like big bang theory.Keep deceiving yourself

gensteejay:
Homo sapien (our specie) will face natural extinction sometime in the future, the same fate homo erectus suffered.

New (eugenic) specie will arise, who will have advanced abilities, be it football, entertainment, science. They will be superhumans.

Too much sci-fi movie is worrying you

Swissh:
Rank Rijkaard,Makelele and Vieira. I know my boy is top5 in his position of all time.

Roy Keane who was better than Vieira is not among top5 of all time talkless of Vieira.

Kimbeast:
3 champions league final in 4yrs says otherwise.

Despite the number of world class players they boasted, they hardly won many trophies. Of course they went to 3 Champions League finals in 4 years but their league trophies during that period diminish their status as a great side.

Kimbeast:
Milan dominated close to three decades in world football. Sacchi/Capello's Milan in the late '80s and early '90s - Ancelotti's Milan in the mid 2000s. People could make a case for Van gaal ajax or pep barca but in my opinion no team has dominated like Milan. It's a shame what Milan has turned to in recent years.

Dude Ancelotti's Milan is overrated.

raumdeuter:
Neither Rivaldo nor Romario was as good as Ronaldo

No doubt.

Ibime:
I don't think he's been forgotten. In his era, he was behind Maradona and arguably one or two others so by them time you compare history as a whole, he will be shunted down the pecking order. Zidane will also face the same in a couple of decades time, although recency effect, social media and his exploits as a coach are keeping his name in the spotlight for now.

Football clubs and National federations and your countrys' journalists are who keep your name in highlight. Neither Milan nor Holland have over-promoted Gullit as he left them in acrimony. They also have other bigger names to promote, whereas the likes of Eusebio will always be promoted by Benfica and Portuguese journalists while Zidane would be promoted by the French.

True and I also think being from a nation that has produced some great players down the age some will be left behind for others who are more prominent or better. Brazil for instance I think rivaldo and Romario has been shunned to some extent to promote Pele and De Lima.

odizeey:
person when convulse bfr 98 final, dem inject am to play by fire by force. It small wound for 2016 dem package ororo out of field.
Someone that came from two years injury and still went on to perform in 2002. Please please let no one compare my Ronaldo to his counterfeit.
Ororo made me support man u, Ronaldo De Lima made me love football.

Just imagine the insult my friend. One even said he was overrated .

Kimbeast:
At the time, Gullit was seen as the best between basten and rijkaard He captained the Dutch to win Euro 88 and was very much the marquee player in that team. Van Basten was a better player (an incredible goal scorer) but Gullit usually had the limelight in that era. Van Basten wasn’t even first choice for the Dutch in Euro 88 where Johnny Bosman was planned to be their starting striker.

The fact that Gullit is somehow underrated now have more to do with the competition. Van Basten's competition in an all-time debate is Ronaldo, Müller,Romario, — pure number 9s. Gullit as an SS/right winger is "competing" with the likes of Pele, Maradona, Messi etc.

Kimbeast:
I think A.c Milan once won the league scoring just 36goals lol.
It's truly Amazing how Milan once had a team with 5 all-time greats — Van Basten, Gullit (a bit of a stretch as his competitors in the all-time pool are literally the greatest, but he was such a unique player), Rijkaard, Baresi and Maldini.

Gullit is a player I feel the passage of time has been less kind to. He has been forgotten.

Kimbeast:
I hope people realize Back in the 90s, scoring 30 goals in a season was a bit of a rarity and a great achievement Players often reach those heights these days without much fuss.

Serie A between the mid 80s and the mid 90s was ridiculously good and financially unsustainable. Nearly every single club in it had 1-2 World class players. At one point it bordered to the ridiculous were top players like Hagi and Maradona would leave top clubs like Barcelona and Real to join minion clubs like Brescia and Napoli. Seria A then was ridiculous.

Kimbeast:
Lol.... seriously who are those defenders? Godin,juanfran Bwhahahaha. Defenders that even Zaha will destroy one on one. De lima Ronaldo was playing against the best defenders of all time.

Here are some of the defenders present at the 1998 World Cup.

Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Costacurta
Fabio Cannavaro
Alessandro Nesta
Gianluca Pessotto
Bixente lizarazu
Marcel Desailly
Lilian Thuram
Laurent Blanc
Carlos Gamarra
Fernando Hierro
Miguel Nadal
Jaap Stam
Frank de boer
Jurgen Kohler
A very old Lothar Matthaus
Sinisa Mijhalovic
Ivan Cordoba
Sol Campbell
Tony Adams
Roberto Ayala
Javier zanetti

You think it's playing against John stones and boateng.

Perfectly Said.

Kimbeast:
I hope people realize Back in the 90s, scoring 30 goals in a season was a bit of a rarity and a great achievement Players often reach those heights these days without much fuss.

Yet a young de Lima was scoring 47goals for Barca and 40goals in Seria a in a season. Indomie generation full this thread.

nihilistjnr:
Eredivisie? Good?

There seems to be something wrong with your numbers or maybe there's just something wrong with you

It's like you haven't see the numbers ororo posted in England or Madrid

49 goals in 75 games?

Go and check how many league goals alone Ororo scored in 14/15 and check how many games it took him.

Also, how old was Ororo when he collected his first The Best in 08?

Youre clearly not well.

You nor know ball.

Serie A Context
97/98: Ronaldo scored 40 goals with Inter Milan - all competitions - with a dysfunctional team (for many reasons). the only offensive threat was Ronaldo. No collective play and Seria A was the best league in Europe. This was the only season he was injury free at inter and he banged 40goals in the toughest league in the world go and sit down somewhere you don't know ball

De Lima in this era will score 80goals yearly in la liga if players like Suarez can score 50 playing for barca.

nihilistjnr:
This kind of idiotic nonsense infuriates me.

CR7 no reach?

Have you watched CR7 actually play?

I'm not even talking about the fact that the man was banging 40-50 goal seasons consecutively for fun.

Or the fact that the man has 4 UCL medals, and 6 domestic league medals

Have you actually watched him play?

54 goals in 57 games for PSV when Eredivisie was actually good. Then went to Barca - 47 goals in 49 games. Then to Inter playing with bunch of dummies - 49 goals in 75 games in the strongest league ever. In the meantime tearing it up in World cup and winning balon dor All that before hitting 23... Thunder punish injury if not de Lima will not have been insulted to be compared to 21st century Gerd Muller.

raumdeuter:

Yes when talking about all time greats his name is rarely mentioned.

weedtaker:
The ororo i watched nearly give me asthma

De lima put the fear of God into any opponent.

BlueRayDick:
The question we've been asking is what is more to football u want ororo to possess he doesn't? Is it match winning performances? Is it inspiring the team to title challenge or what?

U claim u've watched De lima's performances take Ur breath away, but we can argue same for ororo

Put Ur thoughts to paper and let's see if it will stand proper scrutiny.

The mistake you are making is that you think I am trying to convince you about de Lima being a god when honestly I could careless what you think. You probably didn't even watch Him in action.

BlueRayDick:
What do u mean by he was unplayable? U people need to do better to convince us how he was better than ororo because if na by goals scored ni ó, assist ó, individual awards ó, MOTM performances, cups won, etc....Ororo full ground gidigba ó. At 33 ororo still dey jump 7feet dey score acrobatic. Shey that one no take Ur breath away? Abeg!

I rever De lima so much growing up, but them messi and ororo Don carry football pass where dem De Lima do reach abeg

There is more than numbers in football, otherwise C.Ronaldo is a far inferior player than Bican, Di Stefano, Pelé and others. Nobody rates Gerd Muller highly yet he is a better goal scorer than Cr7. Use your head

BlueRayDick:
As if messi never do pass dis one.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion I guess, even Wrong ones.

Coutinho14:
Ok let's cut it out the bs, R9 is one of the goats and with that being said, don't disrespect CR7 like that. I think R9 might be the greatest cf in history (I don't trust pele 's numbers and the competition during his time) but he's NOT better than cr7 and I don't even like that mf.





Messi - goat


Pele and maradona


Cr7 and Cruyff


R9 and Dinho and ZZ and Xavi

See clown

afrodoc:
De Lima Ronaldo is the greatest pure no9 in modern football, and it is not even close at all.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FFCqP8nTTw

This is what I was looking for.The guy is the best pure striker in the game's history in my opinion. The sheer bravery to not only score from distance but to round the keeper numerous times in high pressure situations (more than any other striker spoke volumes of his ability and talent level) Look at the video of Zlatan admiring him and that would give you an idea of the sort of respect he commanded. He was just not only phenomenal, he was truly an icon of immense proportions and it does not matter how many goals Cr7 has over him, I have watched both and I truly know who I would love to defend against. De lima is the better Ronaldo.

BlueRayDick:
I really do not want to enter into the argument of the two Ronaldos, but all these attributes/qualities/benchmark u listed here Cristiano Ronaldo has them. At least we've seen him exhibit almost all in the past 10 years or thereabouts.

I noticed most people talking about Lima use the word "if" so much. Like ; "if òróró had played back then he wouldn't have survived the career-tgreatbing injuries serie A defenders dish out", "If De Lima was playing now, he would've surpassed everything òróró has achieved now".....etc. But are we to to based our judgement of the players on "if's" and "but's"?

Even the argument that ororo may not have survived the serie A doesn't hold water much. At least players still suffer broken ankles, broken legs and all in this modern Era. U can't use not having injury to knock ororo hustle. It may be debatable if you say he played with a better team ó....but say because he no get injury lailai

De Lima was unstoppable at his peak, often playing for less cohesive set ups and even very limited cast (Inter). He was unplayable in a Seria A which was the best league at that time - stacked up with talent, especially defensive one.
He made a mockery of defenders like Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro at their peak.

Cr7 nor reach

weedtaker:
Lol, warisdis?


de disrespect Ororo gets is just... as in I just can't explain.

5time balon d or winner and 5time CL winner with over 600goals and he's below de limas level? like Wtf!

dis guy and zidane are the real definition of overrated.

De lima on his day was something else. I’ve never seen anyone terrorize a defense like he could in my life.
He was my favourite player back then and he will always remain my favourite ever player. I don’t care how many Champions league CR7 has won, how many years he’s scored X+ goals, or any of that.

What I watched with my own two eyes with De Lima took my breath away in ways that CR7 never could.

Melvyn11:
The rate at which people over elevate De Lima Ronaldo is laughable.

De Lima is the real Ronaldo. Any other Ronaldo na counterfeit.

This coach deceived Us.

Ole as a permanent Manchester United manager
3 wins 3 draws 7 defeats
23% win rate.

We need a midfield full stop.


Pogba is great obviously but he's something of a luxury player if you want consistency out of him (he does have the odd extremely boss game but those are few and far between) unless you surround him with quality. Pogba is the only source of creativity and when he screws up, the whole team does because there’s no one else to step up.

Mata is past it, Lingard isn't good enough, Perreira is a bit of a non factor, Fred is crap, Matic is past it and Garner & Gomes are only children.

odizeey:
abeg no let banters here dey shape your thoughts. Great footballers have played there and are still playing there.

Yes all I am saying is the league is not that strong. Average players will be made to look World class. I don't just see the hype about this Sancho.