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Roland17:
Rice was our player, his hunger and drive kept us going.

Moving to the base was good in providing the balance but once again, it did not change or trigger our offense. Your comment about Havertz buttresses my point about Trossard/ Havertz substitution.

The substitution as well as the reshuffle

Jodera:
He was not wasted there, instead we're just playing one man down in midfield because of anonymous Jorginho

Tbh, second big game in a row where Odegaard and Jorginho are underwhelming. Infact this is Odegaard's worst game this season

But I guess you'll see it as Rice struggling again

Playing that no8 is not best for Rice. He is a player that wants the ball not mark spaces. Jorginho affected Odegaard not Rice.

Odegaard needed a dominant DM who can hold the ball and drag players away. Without Partey or Rice, Odegaard will struggle.

Roland17:
Not doubting that but I would rather Trossard than Martinelli at this point. We saw Martinelli throughout the game struggle to make any impact with possession. He lost a ton of balls, did not help Zinny and don't get me started on his final balls and decision making.

Ok let me accept but you will change mouth. Na so their rivalry be. Today you tomorrow me.

Roland17:
Fair, but it wasn't what changed the game for us offensively. He did a better job defensively while inverting but it wasn't his substitution that triggered the draw.

It wasn't the trigger but it contributed. The trigger for me was Rice moving to DM and Havertz shadow marking Caicedo and Enzo taking them out of the game. This gave Saka room which he lacked all game.

BlueRayDick:


He don wet him trouser before baby arsenal shake bum bum

Imagine say geh don wet only to see say Itrsm too don wet

Roland17:
I still disagree. Martinelli will not make his way to the back for that goal.

have seen enough to conclude that Trossard is ahead of Martinelli, for me at least.

Against Man City Martinelli came as a sub and scored too. Honestly it's easier coming as a sub. Especially if you're a winger.

iamoyindamola:
You mean shamelessly running out the time toward the end of the game or doing community defending on our attackers
Go and sleep my friend, so your 1 billion team sef wan shake body
I blame raya

Itrsm small nyash fit shake o

ObaIgwe1:
Wey the instruments?

E still dey Lekki hold up

Roland17:
Not really. It wasn't Tomi's sub that changed our fortunes. Infact, we were still struggling after ESR/ Nketiah came in..

Trossard/ Havertz sub was the game changer in shape and tactics and the equalizer buttresses it.

Rice deserves a shout out... He never stopped playing.

Tomi provided a lot of steel inverting which is quite different from the technicality of Zinny. We needed that steel more.

BlueRayDick:
As u don do premature Ejaculat.ion ; how e come be for yr body now ?

Na still birth be the celebration for itrsm

Roland17:
There is no justification to keep starting Martinelli ahead of Trossard…. Not for me..

It's easier coming as a sub. Martinelli could have easily scored twice if he came as a sub.

BlueRayDick:
That sub is one stupid decision from Arteta . He's more concerned about defence than attack .

I think it worked

mostob:
I won't be surprised to see Havertz and Partey come on in the second half. If not Havertz, then Nketiah.

True

@Jodera as you can see we are wasting Rice in that no8 position. We need either Partey so he gets more comfortable or Havertz while he drops to DM.

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Akinbahm:
Evening famz, unpopular opinion from a Man u fan who said and I quote "the pass laid by sir Kai Kai, he's meant to turn and make attempt on goal but his lack of confidence and or him not stepping up his game forced him to play simple by laying the pass to Nelli"... I need u all take.

They won't argue that the lay off from Havertz ensured that their ticket didn't cut.

Jodera:
Lol, how can you agree Rice played his best game against Man city but claim it was only second half that made it so?

The only player presently in arsenal who can make a second half game his overall best game is Havertz and that's because the bar he's set so far is too low. Why you dey talk like say you no know Rice? It's just surprising that na only you dey see say Rice no really play well against Man city in the first half

Moreover, Nobody says it's an easy role but as a top club what we wanted is someone who can replicate and even better what Xhaka did for us last season. So far, Rice did it in one match (and there was no excuses) more than Havertz whom you've been writing epistles on just to defend him.


And for that your quote saying Tomi was playing where Rice was. Make I just pretend say I no see am. I don dey suspect say e be like say you no really watch that match

What I meant by the bolded is that Tomi came in as a left back and Rice was playing on the left. During the second half, Tomi was quite comfortable playing high up the pitch, this was possible because Rice dominated that side of the pitch from midfield to defense.

And let me reiterate that I did not say Rice was poor in that first half. Rather I said his second half was better than his first half performance. There could be several reasons for this, and I have attributed it to the difficulty playing that role.

Jodera:
Lol.... We have three Midfielders ( Odegaard Rice and Jorginho) and out of the three Rice was the one that played very very well with the other two not really excellent in the first half but you think just ONLY Rice's effort would be enough for us to dominate a Man city's Midfield coached by Guardiola. It's not as if those Man city's Midfield were even excellent sef with the way you're making it sound, it was just more of our duo in Odegaard and Jorginho being underwhelming. Odegaard with his rushed passes and hasty decisions while Jorginho with his safe passes and recycling.

The only reason why you felt Rice found his mojo is simply because others found their mojo in the second half and played up to his level. It's that simple.

Meanwhile, I never knew Rice was the second coming of Xavi

I still insist, Rice game against Man city Is the best game he had played in an arsenal shirt so far. If you watch him against Man u (which was actually his best game before this one), then you'll know the kind of quality he exuded that day against Man city.

It could be his best game but it was the second half that made it so. It's not like he was poor in the first half but he really struggled to stamp his feet like he usually does.

When Rice began dominating the game in the second half you saw how we pegged Man City back like they were Stoke City. At a point it allowed Tomi (playing where Rice was) to even take a high line which led to the goal.

By the way I am not arguing that Rice shouldn't start (God forbid), all I am saying is that no 8 role on the left which is a hybrid of DM and AM or simply a LCM is not an easy role.

Roland17:
For the entire month of September, after they made team of the season, I used both guys as my screensavers. Main screen (Saka)/ lock screen (Saliba).

I sabi wetin my eye see for house with jealousy after I change am but it was worth it. E Dey do me like make I use dem again but I no get strength for wahala

Jodera:
Lol... Try and watch the match again if you can.

He got both his groove and everything in both the first half and second half

If he did we would have dominated the first half. Lewis and Bernardo were controlling the midfield as Kovacic was pressing. When Kovacic dropped deeper for fear of red card that was when Rice found his mojo.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
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I like you

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raumdeuter:
The lesson from Lebanon happened to Egypt as well

Which is why all their fellow Arab brothers don't want them but want to force them on Israel

Exactly 💯

Jodera:


Thank goodness you said "to you". Probably it's just your personal bias speaking.

There's a reason all fans and pundits are asking questions about Havertz influence in arsenal. And there's a big reason he was dropped against Everton, spurs and Man city.

Nobody is comparing him to Odegaard but I'm just pointing the fact that the soft landing you're doing for him so as to give reasons why he doesn't score or assist, Odegaard was doing it 10x last season and he's still doing it now yet he still scored, was creative and assists when necessary.

Rice didn't struggle against Man City especially in that first half. In fact, he was the best player alongside our two CBs that day. His other two Midfielders (Odegaard and Jorginho) were really docile. If Rice didn't turn up that first half, our Midfield would have been overrun. Maybe you're mistaking Rice for Odegaard because it was actually Odegaard that stepped up in the 2nd half

I didn't say Rice didn't play well but rather that he did not get his groove until the second half. Man City actually controlled the midfield in the first half.
If all our players are fit, Havertz won't be starting, that's a fact.
But when he is going to play, I prefer him in midfield.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Please when will Israel conduct ground invasion of Gaza.?

Are you asking for the exact time to wail?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
whoever become the king or queen of jordan is their business.

Exactly. Palestinians have no business in Israel. They either accept Israel's existence or get fumigated.

My prayer for them is to accept. Whether civilians or babies die is sadly collateral damage.

Jodera:
Omorr, Saliba over tried. How we got that gem for cheap naim dey burst my head.
Since Saliba and Gabriel Pair started again, we've been a cohesive unit once more. I just hope for whatever reasons they shouldn't be disbanded again(bar injury).

But ehhh, Saliba and Saka dey make Roland be like one proud father when he sees both of his sons be a national treasure for always accomplishing different milestone.

He hyped those two when nobody knew them nor wasn't really sure they'll turn out this good. Yet they didn't just turn out good, they exceeded expectations

Roland argued favourably for Saliba. I recall opposing him when he argued against his second loan.

Jodera:
Tbh ehh, wetin you list up there for Havertz is something Odegaard does on a normals for us and he's still scoring and assisting. Let's us don't make it to seem as if Havertz is doing something new or extraordinary for us. It's good he's doing those stuff but he should add the goals and assists along with those attributes. Afterall he's not a DM.

I still feel Havertz as a sub should be coming in as a CF not Midfield. Though I've not really watched subsequent games (I stopped at Everton game) so I wouldn't know if he'd improve in his overall play sha. But all the whole times he played Cf here, he offers something compared to when he played Midfield.

While we don't and should not compare Havertz to Odegaard, Havertz to me have played better in midfield. He has been very good in marking spaces and blocking opposition passing lanes. That job is not easy. Rice struggled a bit playing there against City and only improved in the second half when Martinelli came on.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Whoever Jordan choose to make their king or queen is their business.

Jordanians did not choose who became their king. The king was chosen by Britain. The British handed Jordan to the Hashemites same way they handed over the land of Israel to the Jews.

If Palestinians cannot dictate to Jordan who rules the area, why should they dictate to Israel?

LordAdam16:
"I stand with Palestine" does not mean an implicit endorsement of everything Palestinian extremists do.

There is a spectrum of people on the "I stand with Palestine" camp as there are on the "I stand with Israel" side of the fence.

I acknowledge Israel's right to exist. As a people, they've gone through more than enough tribulations.
After all, the US, Canada, Australia were snatched from the natives. And it's not like the Caucasians ever had historical claims to these lands.
I'd have preferred if the Jews were given a parcel of land in the New World. Rather than placed smack dab in the midst of folks who hate their guts and further giving the same folks legitimate grievances. It was completely avoidable.

That said, we've had the Arab-Israeli wars. The Arabs lost and they've climbed down their high horses.
Egypt was the ringleader for the first three wars. It refused to recognize the State of Israel. It does now. Israel had to return the Sinai which they won squarely to secure the recognition.

This is the template that everyone is asking to be replicated.
No one is talking about the 1947 UN Partition Plan anymore. Israel can keep the land it won in the first Arab-Israeli War.
But there is no way Israel will be allowed to completely evict a people who had lived on a land for 2000 years. NO WAY.
Nor will it be allowed to continue its occupation and neo-apartheid policy.
There has to be a compromise. The compromise is a State of Palestine within its 1967 borders.
Hamas and many right-wing extremists in Israel do not want this compromise.
Hamas does not want Israel to exist. The Israeli extremists do not want a State of Palestine to exist. Neither is acceptable.

October 7th is a reminder that the sooner this solution is brokered, the sooner we can begin to move past this revolving door of carnage.
Hamas is like any of the dozens of militant groups sprawled out around the region. In Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen.
They're opportunists. And Israel's continued occupation is the primary source of their legitimacy.
End it and I can assure you that within one month, President Abbas of Palestine will launch an offensive against Hamas.
And he'd ask for help from US, Israel, and Western allies. And many Arab nations will send money for the task. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE.
In fact, like every microstate in the region, he will ask for an American military base with thousands of American troops.

So when folks say "I stand with Palestine", many are advocating for a better way to solve the crisis.
A solution that starts with recognition of the State of Palestine.
A solution that ends the continued persecution of the Palestinians.
A solution that guarantees that October 7 never happens again.

I'll implore you to stop gaslighting people who chant "I stand with Palestine".

-Lord

I'd really love a Palestinian state where everyone can live and practice the religion without fear. Israel gave Hamas freedom to rule Gaza. They pulled out of Gaza. Gaza has a coastline area and border with Egypt. They can do legitimate trading and improve their economy. But Hamas won't allow for peace. I stand with Israel to eliminate Hamas.

sageb:
Israel stands tall above them all
Tel Aviv is the capital of Israel but Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital.
Some Arab stakeholders became angry by that move.

The issue between Palestine and Israel is Jerusalem. We all know what Jerusalem mean to the Israeli. Why don't the Palestinians just let them practice their lives. Palestinians are not peaceful people even to fellow Arabs. That's proven fact from history.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
According to the July, 1950 Law of Return in Israel, all jews in any part of the world are essentially citizens of Israel. Then can relocate & settle in Israel & enjoy all citizenship rights.

Are all Arabs in any part of the world Jordanian citizens? Jordan & Israel are not the same case. Israel is a special case. Pls pick a side make we knw wetin we dey argue.

Whoever The State of Israel chooses to make their citizens is their business. Same as Jordan and any other nation.

But do you know what happened when Jordan tried to assimilate the Palestinians into their country? The Palestinians tried to topple their government. They had to drive them away to Lebanon. What then happened to Lebanon? There was a civil war.

Which means that the so called Palestinians are not peace loving people. They create crisis wherever they go including to fellow Arabs.

Jodera:
Well, consistent winning breeds confidence, it's normal

I don too miss our matches so I no know how to grade Havertz for that our Midfield so far(whether he's acclimatized to the role).

The Man city match I later watched, he didn't start but he did well with that assist when he came on.

I just feel Partey, Rice and Odegaard should be our Midfield trio. Except maybe Havertz don improve

Havertz is the errand boy if the team. He does the general work. He will press, he will mark, he is tackle, he is still expected to give assists and score goals.

Partey, Rice and Odegaard is a very good starting line up. Then Havertz as a sub.