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garfield1:
It will not be.take time and read the judgment,it is very exhaustive

Like canceling 10 witnesses because they didn't make their statement on oath before hearing? Despite that they were subpoena witnesses? That is witnesses by order of court?

The judgement was already determined before hearing and there were rumours that it was written by Tinubu Presidential Legal Team.

My brother justice is dead. Let's just pray that life will be good for us no matter the show of shame and illegalities of the government.

toluxe0075:
And he played so well today for Germany. Havertz is not that player you think he his. It’s been more than 3 years, yet no sign of improvement.

Which Germany player played 'so well' ?

Jodera:
Lol... I'm not surprised tbh and he's really doing a good job on it

I think he's really looking at the reward. If Havertz shines las las, he'll be like "I told you so".

Most of us are too much in a hurry to condemn seemingly underperforming players. The Giroud that we all condemned is he not still playing in CL? He left Arsenal to Chelsea and then to AC Milan. He has not dropped. Yet when he was with us we felt he was the worst striker. As it stands he has even broken Henry's France's record.

Jodera:
This is not the first time he'll be playing outside Arsenal shirt.

He played Euros and WC and he's not been spectacular in German shirt.
He has played numerous friendlies in German shirt and he hasn't been spectacular on most occasions.

I don't want to talk about his Chelsea's shirt cos anyone who followed his Chelsea's stint needs no epistle.

So please don't make it seem as if we bought one World class player that's just acclimatizing to arsenal's shirt.

A player that gets a call up for NT for Germany should be respected.

yarimo:
so if a candidate lost in all 36 state and win Abuja only he should be declared winner? Simple yes or no question

No. He will also need 25% in 24 states.

To be declared winner in the first election you need to have 25% in 24states and 25% in FCT.

Where no one achieves this, there will be a second election between the majority winner and the second person with highest number of states. This second election will be determined by a simple majority. Here no spread is required.

That's the simple honest interpretation of the section of the constitution.

garfield1:
I told you tinubu will prevail

Yes you did and I never doubted it myself. Just that I said justice will be dead.

Upon all our wailings Jodera, Kai was called up to German NT. What are they seeing that we are not? I hope we get to see him play actually and assess his performance outside Arsenal shirt.

yarimo:
so someone that votes in abuja, his vote is more special and superior than someone that votes in suleja LGA in Niger state with is less than 1 km to Abuja territory ?

If a candidate has 25% in Kano and another 25% in Imo, are they the same?

When the constitution says that a candidate must have the spread that's where 25% in FCT comes in. It has nothing to do with the value of the votes. It's simply a matter of spread.

larride:
Which hard copies did Obi submit? Where and when?

He submitted 10000 LP agent copies during the hearing. Google it.

Shaytun:
INEC result cannot be blurred, it was the IREV that was downloaded that was blurred.

The court were simply telling him IREV was useless as it was secondary evidence, he should provide the result that was blurred on the IREV .

If you followed Adeleke Vs Oyetola you would know that IREV is primary evidence.

Even the justices yesterday affirmed it that those copies as long as they are certified by INEC remain primary. The flimsy excuse they used was that Obi didn't mention each of those 18088 polling unit as if it makes sense. How can anyone mention polling unit from a blurred unreadable document? Nonsense.

Shaytun:
Lol, Maybe you need to read the court judgement of how Natasha akpoti of Kogi state reclaim her mandate yesterday.

She tendered hard copy result from her Polling unit agent to show that the one declared by INEC is wrong and she was the winner of the election.

The results were recalculated and she was declared winner.

First of all are you saying that agent copy has a high probative value?

Secondly, for your information Peter Obi submitted 10000 hard copies of agent results. But the Tribunal used it against him. That if he was saying INEC results were blurred where did he get his own results from.

I believe you followed the judgement.

mycar:
With what happened yesterday, I think appeal court in their wisdom played safe knowing fully well that their decisions, either for or against the defendant will have little or no impact in the case since the case will still end up in the supreme court and while the case is in the supreme court, they will still depend on the same government for their security and you know how the judges were delt with by the the Buhari administration.
The judges that can sack a sitting president and get away with it is the supreme court judges and not the appeal court judges.

From the embarrassment I noticed in the faces of the judges this is correct observation.

creativehubb:
You sound naive, na you go court, na you go prove and explain, the burden of proof lies on you. Nobody send you message.

Meaning it is impossible to prove or what?

Did you even understand my question?

muykem:
I will recommend you read the case of Oyetola vs Adeleke in Osun. Oyetola proved his case and succeeded at election tribunal but lost to technicalities at appeal and supreme Court for relying on INEC accreditation print out and not refer to BVAS.

If this case is your recommendation then know that the lawyer that won the case for Adeleke is Peter Obi's lawyer.

I don't need to make any other comment.

Emaprince:
There was nothing the petitioners would have done or brought to make the verdict go in their favour.

This is Nigeria first. You gotto have that in mind first.

I wonder how some of you were so optimistic about this whole tribunal issue. That's a futile struggle if you know the forces you will be fighting..abi the judges are from Europe?

They even condemned the EU report...lol...and were acting like they are the real Inec and APC lawyers. Pouring emotions everywhere. Judges for that matter!!!

Who was optimistic? Not me.

I was only interested in seeing the show of shame happening.

DMerciful:
We must appeal!

We actually want to waste our time and resources.

We also want the judgement to be set as precedence and there's no better place for precedence to be set good or bad.

We want the Supreme Court to say INEC can change the mode of transmission during election.

We want them to say Thuvb drug case was targeting his accounts and not him

We want them to say Guinean citizenship was not included initially

We want them to say IREV and electronic transmission is optional

We want them to say you can forge your certificate

We want them to say a political party cannot sue another whether pre or post election

We want them to say even if you supply INEC certify true copies, you still need polling unit witness and EC8s tendered

We want them to say you must prove polling unit by polling unit upto 100 thousand even if you have 2 months.

Once the Supreme Court upholds these dangerous precedence, then we can rest but we will not rest before then!

God bless you.

This is what Tinubu supporters don't know. They don't know that they have sold their destiny to an 80 years old criminal.

muykem:
Charge and bail lawyer want more money. I will say this again. The only way to upturn president and governorship election at tribunal is to prove with an evidence that you actually won the election. That the candidate INEC declared as winner didn't win majority of valid votes. Any other grounds, certificate issue, past records e.t.c can only succeed as a pre election matter.

Help us by telling us what one needs to prove he won an election. What are the things needed to prove it?

Nostradamus1:
Agent copies are not secondary evidence?

Why didn't the lawyers present it now? Are you aware that you can't present new evidence on appeals

If you think justice was served then I pity you because there will be no hope for any of us as long as election petitions are concerned.

I asked a simple question, tell me what Atiku or Obi could have done to prove they won.

For your information, Agent copies are secondary evidences. Primary evidence are INEC CTCs.

The trick the justices used was to ask Obi to calculate his results before petition. How can he do so...
1. INEC refused to release BVAS for inspection.
2. INEC cleaned the BVAS and asked them to use IREV.
3. INEC did not release the IREV copies until petitions were filed.
4. The IREV copies were unreadable

So in essence, the justices blamed Obi for what INEC did.

Apart from this, in order to ensure that the LP petition does not rope them, they knocked off witness statements of 10 of the 13 witnesses called including those on subpoena.

Jungle justice.

Nostradamus1:
How did Obi know that he won?
What were his total number of votes?


If you provide this info, it will go along way in helping Ikpeazu

Are you asking based on the mutilated results in favour of TInubu or the blurred results by INEC. Which one?

If Obi presents agent copies they will say they are secondary evidence.

If he presents unreadable INEC CTCs they said he didn't calculate his scores.

Tell me what can Obi or Atiku do to prove that they won?

Shaytun:
It’s not the duty of the respondent to teach the Petitioner how to draft his petition” - PEPT

So all the petitioners don't know how to draft petition. So only Olanipekun and Fagbemi knows how to draft petition?

Dey play for Nigeria .

Nostradamus1:
In every court case, the onus is on the plaintiff.
Next

In every court case the judge is on trial. Next?

Duro4chang2:
Justice Tsammani: INEC did not provide any system for electronic transmission of results.

So what was the BVAS for!

What this means is that the next election will be free for all rigging and violence and who is the highest manipulator of results. This is because no matter what INEC says or does, no matter who votes or did not, just make sure you win.

As for me, I am not longer going to take part in any more elections, I am waiting for the next revolution.

Nostradamus1:
PEPT strikes out all 7 petitions of Atiku

They came to defend Tinubu.

Peter Obi failed to prove...

Atiku Abubakar failed to prove...

APM failed to prove...

But APC and Tinubu that didn't submit any reasonable evidence was able to prove.

Super Story.

Nigeria is gone like subsidy.

raumdeuter:
E be like say this PEPT mean spy360 today.

There's evidence that the judgement was leaked before today. If not explain why Peter Obi and Atiku were not represented and all APC stakeholders appeared in court laughing even at the time the addresses were being heard.

Besides, I already knew that justice isn't going to save Nigeria from criminal elements. You could even see how the APC lawyer was reprimanding the justices.

Nigeria alarigo

A001:
Lols, why should I? Have you seen me on this forum where I told I'm an atheist at any specific time? Since leaving religion around 8 years ago, I've never been a pure atheist. Don't mistake my support for atheists, who are fellow freethinkers like me, to mean I'm an atheist.

No wahala

A001:
Human life is very cheap in Nigeria. While many inmates in Nigerian prisons were jailed for crimes they actually committed, some inmates were jailed or remanded wrongfully.

For the latter case, there have been a series of examples of people that were remanded or jailed unjustly, who regained their freedom, and their time in prison actually assisted them in achieving greatness later in life.

Wole Soyinka is a good example. When you visit Nigerian prisons, you hear different stories.

If some people weren't remanded or jailed, they could actually have died if they were free.

Sometimes, what a person sees as bad is not, and the converse is also true.

Funny enough, even some people, who think they're free because they're not in prison, are even in a much worse cage, the mental type, than those in a correctional center.

Nevertheless, crime doesn't pay, and for those scheming, plotting, and planning the downfall of others or how to defraud others, may the forces of the Universe make them "use their head to carry their evil plans", or nature or the law will catch up with them.

Isee

A001:
Lols, very funny. Islam is my religion of birth. I was indoctrinated and forced to engage in it from childhood.

If I had a choice and knew everything I know now as a child, I'd have remained an agnostic, which is the state of every human when they're born.

Fortunately, on reaching adulthood, I was lucky to interact with some highly intelligent people on Nairaland, which allowed me to research the history of the religion deeply and left it some years ago.

Now, I don't immerse myself in a specific philosophy, however great it's. So, yes, if I go deeper into Ifa and become initiated as an onifa (a priest of Ifa or babalawo), I'd still leave it later and become a freethinker.

But I don't really have the time or interest for such things. So, I don't immerse myself in a specific philosophy.

I read wide from diverse philosophies. Only a low-level thinker worships his mate as a god/God and immerses himself in that god's philosophy, which people call a religion, instead of creating his own philosophy to live by.

I don't worship any god/God. Now and in the foreseeable future, I'd always be a freethinker and an agnostic. Some people might call themselves pure atheists in the West.

However, I pity any freethinker in Africa that embraces pure atheism. It doesn't make sense and is a risky position to adopt in Africa.

Agnosticism, whether leaning towards theism, deism, or atheism, is actually the most reasonable position for freethinkers.

Some m.orons actually think my support for Otem means I follow his philosophy. But Otem himself knows I regard his works critically and put them through a test of scrutiny and logic.

Those that gave the book to him even urged readers to adopt this critical/skeptical approach as all of them were atheists and agnostics during their times on Earth.

You should thank and acknowledge me for the bolded

Tinubu is a criminal and should be no where near the presidency of Nigeria. Those supporting him are supporting the continued desecration of our nation. This will never be well with our country and the future generations will live in a hell.

But...

Evil will not triumph over good
Injustice will not rule over justice
Darkness will not quench light

God and well meaning Nigerians forbid

Jodera:
No deh argue this thing na.
Even Blueray showed you new EPL rules and it contradicts with FIFA and you're still holding onto what I don't know.

Sometimes, it's doesn't take anything away from you to admit you're wrong.

Are you saying that PL offside rule includes any part of the body?