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Jodera:
Wait, You're claiming it's a hypothetical skillset? Like you are watching something and you're still doing hypothesis in something we all are observing?
And same you still claim it's personal and when you wanted to start your article you started with :
"There are three categories of skills for footballers. They are physical, technical and cerebral"

Imagine you stating the above in italics and still claim it's hypothetical and personal.


You're not serious Spy. I no dey argue hypothetical and personal things.

How you want make I argue 1+1= 11 with you when it's your own personal calculation.

When you bring something that's general instead of personal and you bring something that's observatory instead of hypothetical we can have a discussion.

Gracias!!

I don't understand what you mean in the bolded because both are part of the same process. It's like asking me to make omelette but I shouldn't have broken the eggs. It's from observation that you generate hypothesis. Why I said it is personal is because I didn't read it anywhere. Ii came from my head. After all whatever you will bring must have sometime originated from some body's head. Are you jealous of my hypothesis?

mostob:
Both maybe under physical or technical.
But Cerebral? No. They're not the brain of the team as you claimed. Replace them with Tomiyasu and Jesus and we will still be fine. Those are not the kind of players you termed as cerebral.

We will be fine, but have you asked yourself why Arteta will always play White and Kai? That's because they make the game easier for others.

Meanwhile that I said they are cerebral players does not necessarily interpret to mean that they are the brain of the team. I have also stated that some players I consider physical or technical may be more cerebral than some considered as cerebral. For example, you may be a carpenter and I a mechanic. But you may know the mechanic work more than myself.

The keyboardist in the band may be a better drummer than the drummer himself. But the reason why he is in the band is to play the keyboard and not the drum. I used to be part of a musical band where one guy knows all the instruments more than every other person playing whatever. He is the pianist but is better than the bassist, better than the drummer, better than the lead guitarist etc.

So when I say White is cerebral it does not necessarily mean that he is more cerebral than Rice for example even though by my assessment he actually is.

Let's compare Rice, Partey and Jorginho (the highest gets max points as the standard guage)

On physicality
Rice 10, Partey 7 Jorginho 3

On technicality
Partey 10 Rice 8 Jorginho 5

On intelligence (cerebral)
Jorginho 10 Partey 7 Rice 7

From here you will see that Rice and Partey are more balanced in their skillset than Jorginho but if you need a cerebral player you call on Jorginho.

Have you noticed that Arteta always uses Jorginho against big teams like Man City or Liverpool where his brain is needed more?

daveP:
Are you saying that the coach is very aware that Kai is not expected to finish 1v1 or big chances? He doesn't need to play that position to score either(false or actual cf)

Every coach would want any player to score 1v1

But if that's not his primary role, then it cannot be used against him. Besides many top strikers have missed 1v1 including Haaland on several occasions.

akwesenana:
Boss, please what's inverted midfield?

How can someone play there?

Inverted fullback actually. Playing RB and drifting into midfield. Other examples are TAA and Walker

Emaprince:
Why are you scared to be called what you are - suffering and smiling

Even in the face of all the suffering and all the ebi mpawa, your concern is always Obi, who is not even the president of Nigeria or, by any chance, the cause of the people's misery.

People.can no longer afford to eat well again...your defence is to bring Obi into it as if the man is hoarding food?


Abi una dey punish people to teach Obi a lesson?

A BAT supporter norbsget sense naturally

White played inverted midfield against West Ham. Which was what gave Odegaard the freedom to destroy their defense.

mostob:
No need for unnecessary drags. You mentioning White and Kai as cerebral players is what I'm arguing against. The explanation of cerebral you put up there doesn't correlate with their attributes.

What then are their attributes and how will you classfy them?

mostob:
Ok..
Let's check your examples. You classified Kai as the brain of the team and Jesus as the 'hand'. Meanwhile, both actually does the same thing and play the same role.

You mentioned White as a cerebral player but he had nothing to do with all the goals that was analysed in that video.

Infact, going by your last paragraph, Gabriel, Martinelli, Zinchenko and Saka should be classified as cerebral players. You can see where you're contradicting yourself now.

Lol. I think you didn't understand my analysis in what I posted. You should be asking questions and not trying to argue, it an analysis OK.

Now first look at the players as individuals first before looking at their roles.

What are their attributes?

Then tell us why you would consider Gabriel, Zinchenko, Martinelli and Saka as cerebral players? Why?

mostob:
There is really no need to discredit the manager with all this Kai slander.
Fact is Auba was never serious. Like he lost interest in everything we were doing. How many months did it take the like of Xhaka, Saka and even Martinelli to adapt? Auba was not the only one... Pepe and even Sambi failed to adapt. That your second paragraph no follow abeg.

Was Auba a failure? Football wise that's very far from the truth. Auba's problems were off the field issues not onfield.

mostob:
But I won't deny that there is an iota of truth in what he said. Though the way he classified them and his examples may be debatable. Spy na one of a kind.

It open for debate.

You ask yourself, what's special about this player. Is it his physical attribute or his technical or his brains.

Saying that White and Havertz are cerebral players does not suggest that they are the best. That's is just what makes them unique.

Ordinary the best player should have a high dose of all three skillsets and not just major on one. For example, Saka has a lot of pace and stamina, he can also dribble and curl the ball, but he is also very good with his brains in his spacial awareness and movements.

Saka, Odegaard and Rice have the best combination at the club.

Jodera:
Actually, I knew he formed all those things from his head especially with those accompanying examples but I just wanted to give him benefits of doubt to prove me wrong.

Him no disappoint at all

Off course it came from my head. There was never at any part of that post did I say it is an established scientific law. It came from my head. The question you should be asking is if it was right or wrong.

I'll also like to see something that came from your head.

daveP:
That's tue more reason coach playing him as CF is wack. If football was 12 men i wouldn't mind having him in any free role on the pitch. What's painful is he's missed 16 chances to bury balls this season. If we didn't win most of those games by others scoring, even you no go wan talk or defend him. But yeah, off the ball.

It would be nice if he were a good goal scorer and finisher. However those are not the reasons Arteta plays him as a CF. In fact he is not really playing CF. He is just occupying a space to create chances for others. Our main goal outlets in that team are Saka and Martinelli/Trossard. The earlier we get this the better our analysis of the game.

Jodera:
Is the bolded you trying to indirectly tell us you formed those terms from your head yet you want us to just gobble it up because you're the alpha and omega of football?
Even people wey dey embark on project, write articles and essays always have references to show yet you couldn't even bring one. Typical you, always forming words and definition of football terms from your head then turn around to accuse me of always rejecting it.

NB: Just because Havertz was instrumental in the first goal against Liverpool doesn't make him the "brain" in our team. I've watched that video a day after our win against Liverpool and because of you I have to rewatch it again, no where was cerebral ever mentioned (which was what I asked you to bring).
I guess you didn't watch his analysis Vs west ham where he specifically said it's through Odegaard our football flows and it was an in-game decision from Arteta that White have to play the Inverted role just so that Odegaard would be accessible. To put it clearly, Arteta basically have to bring Odegaard into the game for we to break their defensive shape.
If you've not watched it, see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5beivGJWHFc?si=4v65V5EPBhoo_3QD


Also, try and watch this too and see how Rice is also the brains behind this team. It also answers why we always need a false 9(in this system) instead of the traditional 9 most of us are always clamouring for here.

A traditional 9 won't make this system flow well. It's one of the main reasons arsenal got better when Auba was exiled and it's also one of the main reasons Nketiah isn't seeing match presently again (Jesus, Havertz, Trossard in that order). I'll encourage all of us to watch it if we haven't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPEJlPKWY84?si=5UEvVbh_JeAYR34f

Lol. You will always go off point trying to catch up with my intelligent analysis.

Mind you, my hypothesis on players' skillset is a personal and not a scientific principle and so you have no obligation to accept it. However, you were not able to refute it either. You failed to give one single logical reason why you rejected it. You simply asked for a reference which I gave for showing that players can be cerebral.

As for the video you posted, it was not about Rice but about Arteta and his tactical formation. You are right that a striker will not do well playing in that formation. I have already seen and talked about this since like months ago when you were still a tactical toddler and argued about why Gabriel Jesus isn't scoring goals like every other striker. Remember?

In that same video you posted at the end of it, it was obvious that though all the players must be involved, the main deciding factor in Arteta's positionless tactics is Havertz and not Rice.

Like I said before Havertz is a space controller and interpreter which you argued for days with me. It's funny how you argue with me but still prove me right by trying to prove smart. 🤣

mostob:
Excellent analysis. That Liverpool game was one of Arteta's best from tactical POV.
However, TBH, this video didn't categorically states who is cerebral, who is cerebellum and who is medulla oblongata. It is just a match analysis.

No the video was referenced to show that some players especially Havertz and Jorginho are cerebral players. I guess you and Jodera missed the first few seconds where he points to his head saying that Havertz is full of brains.

What that analysis aimed at is that it was our cerebral players that made the difference against Liverpool otherwise that game was a balanced draw.

daveP:
What this analysis impresses on me mostly is we need a pacy finisher in that place. Dazall. Once again, he's very lucky that Saka was there to finish that move.

Kai is terrible with finishing. For all his brilliant off the ball movements and awareness he lacks in that vital aspect. That was as poor as a school boy miss.

liveLongNprospa:
Lmaooo.. You dey see lamba.
So buhari could not jail anybody linked to that fictitious 16b dollars.

Something that CBN has confirmed that it wasn't up to the said 16bn dollars oo😭😭.

When someone ha write an epistle for a single line question, you know.

Jodera:
Yeah White is very much underrated and underappreciated with respect to what he brings to this team

But

While your analysis of different categories of skills in football is beautifully crafted, I don't quite agree with it.

1. In your categories, I believe it should be only two (physical and technical) and that the categories of cerebral should be given to technical cos that's essentially what technical skills is all about (spatial awareness, positioning and movement).

2. You concluded by calling Havertz, Jorginho and White "the brains" of the team.
Hmm, We all know that title belongs to Odegaard presently and to some extent Rice.
This duo are the ones that's making this system tick cos they involve much in the buildup, control, shape and press of the system, transitioning of attack and understanding the use of space well.
Calling them hand and leg or whatever is a great disservice to the work they're doing at arsenal.

Take out Odegaard and put Havertz (your brain) in his position and take out Rice and put Jorginho (your brain) in his position and let's see whether this system won't crumble.
The only person who can confidently replace Rice in this setup for long is Partey and that's because he also is another brain of the team.

Meanwhile the people you termed as Cerebral or the "brain of the team" players are the players that can be easily be replaced without feeling any huge drop in form. Everyone knows this. White for Tomi, Havertz for ESR/Trossard, Jorginho sef na bench player.
There's a reason they're called "brains" to start with.


3. I would love to see any article, site or blog (or even videos) where you at least referenced this write-up from, for clearer understanding, cos I've searched and searched and I didn't see any Cerebral skill in any category of skills for footballers.
I will be expecting.

I have no issues if you don't accept my idea. I can also say that you were unable to refute them.

You always ask for references but when you see them you turn around again to deny them or reject them.

The YouTube video below is fourfourtwo (I don't know if you're conversant with the magazine, but they have a strong reputation with Arsenal FC). It's a short video analysing our game with Liverpool. Listen carefully.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPnwo9cY1e8?si=gRnYehytSqCpPT84

raumdeuter:
This is an article from 2009 way before APC that the House was investigating Obasanjo for 16bn for power project led by the house committee

The 16bn power issue has been known in public domain sine early Yar Adua days from 2007

What was the outcome of the probe?

liveLongNprospa:
Whether it was stolen is not an issue.
But these guys want to paint a picture that everything was looted before them hence their incompetence.
Na the same propaganda monerozi5590 dey battle now against BAT supporters😂😂😂

You know that when there is a bank robbery, the amount of money declared as stolen is usually more than the actual because the people that go to verify will also collect their own.

Don't let Agbados drag you into this kind of argument as it is a diversion and cheap excuse from reality currently on ground

liveLongNprospa:
There was someone here that tried to project me as a liar when I said the CBN gave Dangote dollars at a subsidised rate. An apc supporter.

Now imagine my surprise seeing another strong apc supporter using it as a point to attack meffy😲

And what sort of lie is this.

OBJ spent 16b dollars on light?

Make una dey lie with sense abeg.
OBJ spent about 2.6b on light.
I know this because I followed the argument made by apc people that you lifted that figure from.
The guy corrected himself before going offline for 2days when he could no longer lie again.

Fucking liar

Whether it was 16b or 2.6b, the fact is that it was misappropriated. A kind way of saying stolen. Either of 16b or 2 6b could have gone a long way in solving our power issues if well utilised.

I agree that Obidients are not necessarily LP supporters. The reason they support LP is because of Obi. If Obi leaves LP and joins another party (especially a non popular one) Obidients will withdraw their support for LP.

Personally, I feel pissed about the attitude of many LP members of parliament. I hate them. I doubt I would support them in any election. That is why I didn't counter Okupe's claim that LP was just an SPV. He is very correct.

mostob:
I like your analysis but going by your explanation of cerebral, Ode comes first, then Rice. Jorginho too if he is in the starting lineup. White is just like Gabriel and Saliba. And please Rice is not just 'bone' , he is a cartilage and muscle too.

Like I said players have a combination of all three skills in them. But one usually dominates the others. It's like temperament.

Odegaard is very cerebral but his technicality dominates his brain work. Howbeit he is more cerebral than many cerebral midfielders.

As for the description of Rice in the bolded, goes to show that he is more of a physical player.

Jodera:
Lol... You don catch me


But it's obvious na

It is obvious that fans underrated White.


There are three categories of skills for footballers. They are physical, technical and cerebral.

Physical - stamina, speed, endurance

Technical - ball control, dribbling, crossing, shooting (especially curling the ball), finishing

Cerebral - positioning, movement, spacial awareness

Every player has all three but one or two will dominate their skillset. When you look at Gabriel, you know he is more of physical. When you look at Saka he is more of technical, when you look at White you see that he is more of cerebral.

Please note, that a physically or technically inclined player may even be more cerebral than a cerebrally inclined player. For example, Rice is a physically inclined player but is more cerebral than Elneny who is a cerebrally inclined player.

Cerebral players are the ones the manager uses to determine, control and direct their onfield tactics. At Arsenal, Arteta uses White to a great effect in controlling how he wants the team to play. Other players include Havertz, Jorginho etc.

The reason why you would almost certainly see White and Kai in an Arteta line up is because they are the brain of the team. The likes of Gabriel, Saliba, Rice may be the bone, while Saka, Martinelli, Jesus, Zinchenko are the hands, White and Kai are the brains. They will always find a space in the line up.

mostob:
You should know the reserves i.e. the bench players will always come first before the youngsters. There are those coming back from injury that need minutes to get back into shape. Let him do whatever he wishes to do...

Every letter and title here just makes sense. I don't see how anyone shouldn't understand this. It is even visible for the blind and audible to the deaf

He will forfeit his seat as governor

Trossard is the most efficient Arsenal player this season already.

iamoyindamola:
The last time arsenal scored 4 first half goals we drew the match against Newcastle

Bad memories

Havertz back to his more critical position.

Cc Jodera, Mostob

yarimo:
No I mean capital NO

You lack wisdom.

Racoon:
Hehehe. Shege promax! Renewed shege promax. Shege banza. All mixed together and schooling the ronus

Person wet get erectile dysfunction go snatch another man wife. Time to do the do.... Story full bucket

raumdeuter:
Actions have consequences everywhere

We cannot use our oil fortunes to create shell companies for harvesting subsidy proceeds

Sell oil income of the future to spend today

Service debts with 90% of income and think it won't have repercussions

I repeat the problem with this government is not it's policies. The problem is that members of the government are acting on personal interest and 'emi lokan' mentality. It is expected because of their general criminal tendencies to loot.

Afospecialk:
We are sophisticated and not online mobs who praise politicians as Messiah

We voted Tinubu bcs we believed in his capabilities and he fails we don't hesitate to checkmate him.

That's Yoruba for you. We don't praise a failure as someone people do see a failure Pandora Obituary as their Messiah 🤣

We Igbos are enjoying this government. There must not be protest any where. Never. Emilokan must complete his 8years

afrodoc2:
We argued this thing for weeks then. At a time i could not understand people's line of thinking. Nigerians living in Nigeria were supporting immediate removal of subsidy BEFORE any palliative measures were in place. I just had to raise my hands like Mr Ibu.

To be sincere I saw your argument then and you have been proven right by every sense of the word.