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Roland17:
Our lack of flexibility is the reason why this is looking more herculean than it actually is. You can actually play the same formation with a different tactic/ instruction. You can play the same formation with tweaks to the instruction and tactics. Formations are broad while your tactics and instructions can be specific, flexible and adaptable. Irrespective, I just want good results as we end the season.

liveLongNprospa:
Some of the brilliant minds in bat's team😌

iamoyindamola:
Yes this is the best time to change as we have been grinding wins and draws
Zinny injury might be a blessing as our coach no get plan b

Roland17:
What choice do you have? Zinny is not available and has been the best at playing the LB inverted role. Now that he is unavailable, does that mean we should field 10 players since no other player can play that role like Zinny? Or do we force Tierney to play that role even though he is uncomfortable with it?

Invariably, you are saying we can't get a favorable result in an emergent situation like this, except our LB plays the inverted role.

Roland17:
My question to you and your MCM is this, must we play that same tactic? Must our LBs be inverted to play midfield all the time? Is that the only way to creatively utilize a LB in a tactic? Why can't we be flexible for God's sakes? Why are we constantly reacting while being incredibly predictable with our tactics?

mostob:
Vieira? E better make we kukuma play Tierney abeg. That Vieira ain't ready bro.

BlueRayDick:
I don't think Arteta trusts Tear-knee in that role, neither do I. Xhaka will most likely be dropping to the middle and back to the left. Xhaka will not be playing that advance role till the end of season be that

mostob:
Zinchenko and Saliba out for the remainder of the season.

mostob:
Unfortunately their squad depth is not as efficient as before. Aside Foden , Mahrez and Alvarez.. nothing much

mostob:
We await the second leg...
The battle of Pep and Don Carlo

PDPGuy:
As the Supreme Court has held that INEC is not mandated to electronically transmit results from the PUs to the IREV, you have to say that Obi’s petition, on the ground, has no merit now.

However, Obi’s strongest case is the fact that INEC’s website has Obi leading in Rivers as against what was declared by the Returning Officer. But with Rivers being the only state with that anomaly (so far), I seriously doubt whether the PEPT and/or the Supreme Court would invalidate the entire election because of one state

Itsrm:
I don't think so as well. Like I mentioned to BlueRayDick yesterday, using anything on IREV is dead on arrival because it either cannot be proven or difficult to prove.

The EC8A forms will definitely tally with what INEC announced. That's where the manipulations took place.

INEC is saying they are not bound by the electoral act to upload results to IREV. Whatever they may have said contrary to the provisions of the act is immaterial.

Leoniine:
Absolutely.

Here is also what the post says;



So basically, IREV is not reliable, but the (data on the) BVAS is (to ascertain over-voting).

And that was exactly what Obi's team requested for (to inspect the BVAS) before filing their petition, so if they have the CTCs of the results, I don't see a problem for them.

None of Obi's prayers is hinged on over-voting, and I doubt that they are citing the IREV as a source of proof for their case.

And let's agree that INEC is not bound to electronically transmit results from the polling units, but the fundamental problem of what is recorded on the EC8A forms and stored in the BVAS also contradicts what is on the IREV and what is on the IREV also contradicts what INEC announced in some instances.

So if Obi's team have their original polling unit results, and CTCs of the BVAS information, I believe they've got no problem.


All of this aside sef, this judgement is confusing to me. Why exactly is INEC not bounded to upload the results to IREV when they literally said this? What is on the IREV should naturally correspond with what is in on the BVAS.

Spy360:
First we must differentiate the Osun case with the presidential. Osun was a case of over-voting and not manipulation. Over-voting can only be solved using the voters register. APC came with an INEC report without even witnesses.

The INEC report was derived from the INEC server which was incomplete as at the time the report was made. The court has made it clear that BVAS is the primary source of data for voters registration and accreditation.

For results transmission, INEC is free to choose which ever way they want to transmit results.

The question A, is what process did INEC choose?

The case at the PEPT is that of result manipulations. The primary source to be used to determine the actual results will not be the form EC8A, but the process to having the EC8A.

Question B is what is the process?

Question C - Was there any violation of the process?

The reason PO's team requested for the CTCs was not to prove that he won, but rather to prove that the results were manipulated.

The INEC Process
The process chosen by INEC to transmit results is through manual collation via form EC8A. Every process should have a control without the control, the process cannot come to a logical conclusion. The control put in place by INEC is the BVAS upload and IREV. The BVAS upload and IREV failed and INEC announced a winner. That's a gross violation of the process and a suggestion that INEC colluded with the winner to manipulate results in their favour.

PO's team have already stated that they are challenging the process as well as the results.

Black44:
I am not coming from the Christian angle just the spiritual angle
I mean humans have spirits as I practically experienced my spirit leave my body
This is not about religion just natural observation

larride:
This is wickedness pro max. Wtf

Most of these our politicians deserve the hottest part of hell because how can you watch the state you are from suffering and you have a chance to make a difference and instead you embezzle the funds.

Itsrm:
I don't think so as well. Like I mentioned to BlueRayDick yesterday, using anything on IREV is dead on arrival because it either cannot be proven or difficult to prove.

The EC8A forms will definitely tally with what INEC announced. That's where the manipulations took place.

INEC is saying they are not bound by the electoral act to upload results to IREV. Whatever they may have said contrary to the provisions of the act is immaterial.

monerozi5590:
Spy360. This has already been confirmed by Ajuri Ngelale.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Can Tinubu really reduce the cost of governance?
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raumdeuter:
Recognizing Oyetola iRev as the legit source will be a problem for the Presidential Tribunal, Now with this precedence already set, If you are coming with anything other than BVAS, you are just wasting your time

monerozi5590:
What other thing do BVAS do? Ajuri Ngelale has explained everything in my first post you quoted if you answered that question correctly.

Leoniine:
LMAO.

Now that you ask, especially in light of the case being adjourned until the 17th of May again, I do know for certain that it'll be prolonged for as long as possible. And there'll still be many dramas and twists to come with it.

(Although, I noticed BATist boys seemed to have soft-pedaled on their propaganda against PO?)

And Tinubu will definitely be sworn in before a judgement is delivered (that is assuming none of those 'spiritual prophecies' about him being arrested come to pass LOL).

I also think from now until then, he has the backing of the incumbency, and when he gets there, he may have some constitutional power that will make the delivery of a swift judgment all the more hard.

Another part of me also feels like this case wouldn't end at the Appeal Court, but at the Supreme Court. Some weeks ago, if you'd asked me, I would have told you I was 98% certain that Obi will get his mandate back. Sure, I am hopeful and positive, but realistically, I cannot say anything definite. I will have to wait and see more development/progress in the case before I can confidently predict how it'll end.

On the issue of the forfeiture for example; it happened alright, but I wonder how the LP's team are going to make that stick as grounds for disqualification. The issue is not a new public knowledge no more, and it's hard to think that no one has ever tried to drag Tibubu to court for it and succeeded. Like, why hasn't someone taken him to court all this while? In the past? Does LP have other damning evidence that has never seen the light of the day? Obi doesn't strike me as someone who will pursue a course without him being sure of its success.

I do not recall the details of the double nomination, but it's about Shettima, right? I think he resigned from being a Senator a day too late, and that may be a valid ground.

As for the FCT ish, too, it is highly semantical, but generally, we know that 'AND' is a conjuction that places a condition on the thing mentioned after.

Purely, linguistically, there is nothing confusing about that. 25% of votes in the FCT is a requirement.

Now, some people argue that, 'oh, why should the FCT have a deciding power more that the rest of us?' and I say, the FCT doesn't have a governor, too. Is it okay for it to be 'inferior' to other states in that respect?

Abuja being the FCT isn't just symbolic; Aso Rock and the National Assembly and so many other governmental agencies are there. It's only right for the indigenes there to get their own consideration.

The argument/clause is just like the standard English and Math pass requirements.

It's self-explanatory.

'I gave sweet to Tola, Shola, Debbie, and Macy.'

'You must have 50% in Chemistry, Literature, English and the Fine Arts.'

So I do believe this one is a VERY strong case.

Someone on Twitter thoroughly broke it down in a thread, though, and some people are now saying that general English language is different from English 'under the law.'

Toor. If that is so, I have no f-king idea, but in standard English, the consequence of using 'and' is indisputable.

And finallyyyyy, Ikpeazu. (I thought he was the leading counsel, but I saw a Livy as the leading counsel on PO's team on F?P).

But anyway, whether he's the one leading or he's a part of the team, I believe he has an immeasurable value to bring to the case given his history of electoral petitions.

So, that's it...

sorry for the long talk i am like that sometimes

monerozi5590:
Election/voting can't take place if BVAS don't work. BVAS most accredited you before you vote na.

raumdeuter:
Recognizing Oyetola iRev as the legit source will be a problem for the Presidential Tribunal, Now with this precedence already set, If you are coming with anything other than BVAS, you are just wasting your time

IamNat:
I'm not sure of this news but I wonder why PDP won't just allow the real case to start immediately, they are there talking about live transmission, is like they want to play the spoiler for LP just like LP did for them.

iamoyindamola:

raumdeuter:
He is expected to win. Adeleke verdict has an impact on the presidential case as well

BVAS is the Primary Source and superior to any report tendered by the appellant, exhibit BVR dismissed entirely - Justice Agim JSC

monerozi5590:
Don't confuse things up please. BVAS was the real deal.

BVAS eliminated

1. Multiple voting / Over voting

2. Ghost voters.

BVAS really really eliminated fraud to some extent in our just concluded election.



3. He is talking about the IREV portal and not BVAS.

4. BVAS is an accreditation system. Designed to read PVC and authenticate voters.

monerozi5590:
About the glitched encountered during the presidential election on the IREV portal.

That glitch had no impact whatsoever on the actual conduct of the election.

I would liken it to somebody saying that because there was a problem with their television at home and they could not watch the Super bowl, they're now saying because their TV didn't work that Super Bowl was not played in the stadium. We believe that that's a foolish argument.

Ajuri Ngelale.

Leoniine:
^^ If I talk...

BlueRayDick:
Zinchencko needs to put his head more into defending ! 🤦‍♂️