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ActivateKruger:
I gotta say I have respect for these guys. Developing a simulator is no joke. Myself and GreenandGold tried it (because the world wasn't producing "enough" games for us). You literally have to develop a game engine first then create the world with attention to detail, then fill it up with realistic textures before you even create the models (people, vehicles and all).... The game engine on its own can take a team of software engineers a year to develop (provided they're motivated by great salaries), the world can take years.... Then when you're done you'll get a 14-year-old online bitching about the gun sounds.. WTF

Whether the Denel simulators are built in house or procured is "beyond the scope of this course", but I get you.

lionel4power:
glorified video games..... mtscheeeeeeeewwewww

That will save a life. Pew pew

Its called entering the 21st century.

ActivateKruger:
Talk about simulators, I'm currently replaying Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising. I'm playing US Spec Ops in variety of missions from disabling SAMs, radio towers behind enemy lines to clearing flanks for mechanized (surprising the Chinese flanks on foot). Forget about Call of Duty and Battlefield rubbish, this is the approved simulator deal. 1 bullet takes you out at 400m. Bullet simulation is real, tactics are real. I feel like Frumentius for a second

NB: Operation Flashpoint and Arma 3 are what they use to train US soldiers while sitting on their butts.

You should see what they have at Denel Dynamics to train drone pilots. Stare at those multiple screens long enough and you'll start looking for a wall to lean against, getting dizzy, thinking you're a few thousand feet up. I say no more.

ThoroughTec delivers Badger simulators

Denel Land Systems has begun receiving high-fidelity training simulators for the South African Army's new Badger Infantry Combat Vehicle (ICV). The SA Army is set to receive 244 Badgers in different variants over the next few years and from the outset, simulator based training has formed an essential component of its mission system.

Durban-based ThoroughTec Simulation has spent several years developing and testing the latest evolution of its CYBERWAR range of Tactical Training Simulators, with the first production units now being delivered to Denel Land System's Lyttelton facility where Badger assembly takes place. In due course, these will be deployed to the SA Army's mechanised infantry training units.

Ultimately, ThoroughTec will deliver 28 Badger Training Simulator Systems, comprising both driver and turret crew training simulators, all of which are 100% locally designed and developed. Simulator variants for the Command, Missile, Mortar and Section variants of the Badger will be delivered, each replicating their unique capabilities and all designed to interact in a vast 1500 square kilometre virtual world.

The Badger simulators integrate vehicle, weapon and sensor performance models with ultra-realistic physical instruments and controls, so as to authentically replicate the Badger operational experience and completely immerse vehicle crews in the simulated training experience, ThoroughTec said.


"The training requirement for Badger crew members to successfully master their new mounts will be significantly higher than we've seen with older vehicles. Simulators are the natural choice to cost-effectively bridge this gap", said David Cooke, Vice President: Military at ThoroughTec.

"These simulators represent the culmination of more than two decades of simulator use by the South African Army," said Cooke. "In spite of the present focus on low-intensity, infantry-focused peace support operations, the SA Army is committed to maintaining a conventional, mechanised warfare capability. They have long recognised that simulation offers a cost effective and highly efficient means of keeping our armoured soldier's skills honed in the complex and costly art of high-mobility mechanised operations.

"The Badger Simulators will place trainees in a 'world' where they need to apply all of their equipment knowledge and tactical skills in order to 'survive', let alone win. The AI-Enemy is pretty unforgiving, so the guys really need to know their stuff and function as a cohesive team if they want any hope of getting through the exercises in one piece," noted Cooke.

GreenandGold:
1. The "Witvalk" going through smoke
2. Rooivalk flares from a different perspective.. Amazing

Would be very difficult for most IR homing missiles to get through that from this perspective. Sensor overload. Like trying to drive with the sun in your eyes.

Algerian1:
Mine Clearing Line Charge (MICLIC) used by Algerian army in the last exercise probably the M58

on the video at 1:33 and detonation at 1:38


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xog_EghJg-I


M58 Mine Clearing Line Charge (MICLIC)



pic2 : illustration

For once South Africa has something "better" than Algeria . Doing a mini happy dance. Just kidding.

Plofadder Mine Clearance

They are mounted on special SANDF Casspirs vehicles I believe, although there is a smaller mobile unit for a two man team.

"The Plofadder mine clearing system fires a rocket to create a ladder-like demolition zone, which is capable of cutting a 160-metre-long, nine-metre-wide lane through a minefield, Rheinmetall said, indicating the order is for the vehicle-mounted version."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQLsWqnmeII

Navy Marines

Are they still called "ground crew" in the navy?

Badger

The old and new...

SupremeCourt:
Lesson for ignorant noisemakers. Read every word carefully in the official American government report below and learn not to talk imaginary opinions from your poorly informed minds about details you do not have.

The USA State Department approved sale of A-29 Super Tucano attack planes to Nigeria in a deal worth $593 million. News release from Defence Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) reports it includes the 12 aircraft as well as “all associated weapons and ammunition, training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, hangar facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program".

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov.

Everyone has read it. If you want to be in denial so be it. How many aircraft did Indonesia get, what package and at what price? Go google it. Keep in mind Indonesia operates F-16's, so there was no "ummm...but....maybe" in selling such technology to them as was the case with Nigeria.

gottfried21:
Nam army
15th intake 100km march

100km?

South Africa's attempt at building a main battle tank in the early 90's. I wonder how far this would have gone.

Last few milliseconds of this Mokopa's life....

Odunayaw:
I don't know how you don't get it
See it like this

We buy them at Surface value of $14m a pop,operate it for 30years
We pay for its full support infrastructure from day 1 and use it for 30years

Both end up at the same expected end

p v q = q v p

******
Or better still u air your view by mailing HQ NAF

Who signs a 30 year contract? You sign short term contracts with options of renewal. There's no guarantee that Coca Cola or even Apple will exist in 30 years time, let alone a company providing aircraft maintenance. Someone somewhere tried to get as much money out of the NAF as possible and they succeeded.

Vikkie14:
It's looking longer for my liking. Anyway, it fits their requirement, that's why they have it(them).

If its bullet proof (as opposed to just a normal windshield) I guess they'll ask whoever is firing at them to please stand directly in front of the rider. As opposed to just taking a step to the side and firing at the 99.9% exposed rider.

Rooivalk gun can


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH5_m2PUWyQ

newafricaken254:
Egyptian army task force 777 member on a Sand-X T-ATV 1200 All-Terrain Vehicle

What's the point of that bullet proof (I assume) windshield? Looks dum.b

jakeporeshenko:
https://theaviationist.com/2017/07/23/what-these-pictures-of-two-russian-yak-130-jets-that-crash-landed-almost-simultaneously-in-russia-say-about-the-causes-of-the-mishaps/
This happened in June it’s old news.
Russian didn’t start building planes yesterday

In terms of aviation crashes, June is not old news. Its only August . The investigation is probably still on going. Plus the crash in Bangladesh, it raises eyebrows.

The Russians aren't paying you, there's no need to defend them. They could have been building planes for the past 500 years, but if there's something wrong somewhere in the design or systems, they'll simply fall out the sky regardless.

Vikkie14:
Off Topic:
Two Russian Airforce Yak130 conducts Emergency landing

Hmmm...there might be something fishy with this aircraft. Didn't one crash last month in Bangladesh or something?

Adminisher:
This is a lie.
Please mention the country that has our package apart from Brazil, Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq and Afghanistan are in the same boat. There is local presence and existing support US military infrastructure . Brazil is the owner/ developer of the aircraft.
Most Nigerians don't understand this notion that so e military aircraft are "flying networked sensors " in a network of systems. It is not just engine, airframe and bombs.

Please go and watch all successful NAF strikes on Boko Harem again. Usually at least three planes or two planes and one uav would be involved : one detecting, another engaging and the last one assessing. This is the new way of doing this. The Super Tucano can do all these within same platform just like the chopper MI 35

What package did Indonesia get? And no its not a "new" way of doing things, its what people have been doing.

iblawi:
True talk bro.

All I want to see is super tucano, Jf17/JF17B and the SU30. I don't care about the price as long as we can have them.

I just want to see improvement.


The British and others feel the same way about F35.

Afghanistan isn't the only country to purchase these aircraft. There are many non U.S aligned countries that have purchased them, with similar packages as Nigeria, for way less money. It's a rip off, simple. So there's no true talk in what he said.

The only true talk is your post..."I don't care about the price as long as we have them". That's an honest statement.

iblawi:
No need for that bro, am just happy that we have improved.

I still remember when we laughed at SA getting Gripens for $60m while we are getting Jf17 for half the price with just a little difference in terms of capabilities.

How much would that equate to per Gripen roughly? $2m per Gripen...great deal :-)

ActivateKruger:
Do you have an idea when we could have those built and delivered?

Probably build 2019, deliver 2020-2021

rka2:
I suppose you were there when the deal was penned. Anyway I will enjoy, thank you

I could have been on vacation on the moon. The only thing that matters is the $600 million price tag. Thats the final result. Its a pleasure.

American defence procurements are generally very overpriced, primarily because of the engineering methodology they follow during design and testing. (I'm talking in general now, not specifically about this deal)

SAN OPV preferred bidder. Funding has been moved to 2018/2019 financial year.

SAN Project Hotel vessel. Construction meant to start next year. 60% local requirement during construction.

rka2:
It includes hangers, aviation equipment/infrastructure, maintenance apart from training and ammunition, which would include precision guided ammo.

This is what comes with operating a 4th the generation aircraft. Even in the West, upgrades are being done to aviation infrastructure at no small cost to introduce 5th generation aircraft.

The sale also includes all associated training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program, DSCA said in a statement Friday.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/20143/Trump_Administration_Approves_12_A_29_Super_Tucanos__Weapons_Sale_To_Nigeria_For__593M#.WYQTUajTVcs

They could have included an entire submarine with the deal, its still a rip off. But like they say, its your money. Enjoy.

Interesting side note which probably means nothing.......

Botswana had purchased 100 Strela-3/SA-14 SAM systems in 2012 (pic 1). In 2016 South Africa purchased 50 FN-6 SAM systems (pic 2) from China but no one knows who actually purchased them...CSIR, Denel? SANDF says it wasnt them. Online speculation is that South Africa wants them to test/develop electronic countermeasure systems against manpad's. Who knows.

According to Defenceweb Botswana has purchased the MICA Vertical Launch system.

ActivateKruger:
It seems like the Americans came prepared... The South-Africans weren't interested in the show... Them being in Lohatla I thought they (the SANDF) would bring out the big guns, roll over some sh#t and invade some imaginary country like they did in the Eastern Cape.

Well the "theme" for this year's Accord was Humanitarian/Peacekeeping.

ActivateKruger:
It's officially the most boring Shared Accord by far... No beach landing, no night assaults, no urban warfare, no machinized, no air jump assaults like last time... I'm disappointed.

They should take it back to the Eastern Cape, maybe they can add jungle warfare as well and make it interesting.

Well at least there was this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilx0FrPVAqU