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RisenPhoenix1:
In Nigeria, we believe that such 'philanthropy' is right. It is not. Assuming he did get confirmed, would they keep bolstering him up all his life at their expense? It doesn't make sense. Extreme generosity can be as destructive as extreme selfishness.

Good! Mr A might have done all that's needed to be done.

RisenPhoenix1:
Sure, that too. But in the case of Ms B, I believe that giving her a little extra advice to help boost her performance for old times' sake will not be out of place. It is good to return favours, but only as long as one doesn't break the rules to do so.

Let me let you in on something...there was this guy that was newly employed as an experienced hire, he was given a big grade because of his previous grade. He was placed on an initial 6months probation. If he meets his target he gets confirmed, if not he will be fired without notice. After the first 6months, he was performing below par. He was given a final six months to close all gaps. His colleagues tried, they gave him deals and all. Some even had to liquidate some portfolio and give it to the guy to build him....but he still did not cross at the end of the final six months. There is a limit to how much we can help

RisenPhoenix1:
Clearly, her old style techniques are no longer working, so he can teach her his more successful methods; eg how to assess bigger risks and when to take them. There is no law that says a mentee cannot become the mentor to his former mentor. The point remains that he was highly successful in a field that she needs her subordinates to be successful in now, so he can show her how to mentor them towards that objective.

If macro economic activities are the sole cause of her underperformance, then it will affect the other LMs as well; unless the company's performance tests are unfair.

This final point should be inviolate. All promotions and recommendations should be on merit, not out of a sense of gratitude or nepotism.

Good points! I believe Mr A has had strategy sessions with all the LMs. During these sessions there would be knowledge sharing and brainstorming.

RisenPhoenix1:
I'll present the problem to Ms B and recommend ways by which she might improve her subordinates' performance and therefore, her own as well; having worked in the same capacity earlier. I'll inform her where she stands in the rankings and what she must do to outperform the others. In other words, I'll mentor her as she mentored me, but that is the extent to which I'll help her. I'm certainly not going to recommend her for promotion over a more deserving LM if she doesn't merit it. Nothing kills company morale faster than nepotism.

Mentoring is good but no one will tell you how to take risk and close deals. No one can give you a clean deal because there is always a default risk embedded in every deal. Finally you need to search for your own client and stick your head. Mrs B knows all these you can't start mentoring someone that has spent over a decade mentoring other people. Macroeconomic activities are shrinking. Mr A took several big risks that paid off....some were just dumb luck

Hideki:
complex situation, sentiment aside he should do the needful. Let the highest performer get it. That was how he got it

We are first human, the person that have recommended you twice, you had a good performance yes but she could have denied you those recommendations. She could appraise you for lack of team work rather than laud your sterling individual performance.

bluskyee:
This is a tough situation. I will call for a meeting can let the other LM know that Ms B ought to be promoted becos log length of stay. I will use any means legal to ensure that she gets it. Give good appraisal in attitude and aptitude.

The other LM may get aggrieved and lodge a grievance against MrA. Management will see Mr A as incompetent. Never try this in a large corporate environment. It may bacfire

ATTAHDYE:
Ms B should have been promoted when Mr A was making the numbers since you said supervisor's performance is tied to her subordinates.

That aside, Mr. A is in what we call a prisoner's delima, if he fires Ms B, he will be seen as ungrateful. If he promotes another performing LM ahead of Ms B, he will still be seen as ungrateful and wicked.

Options open to him include:

1. If it is within his power, he can talk to management to move Ms B to another department so that she is no longer his problem, then he can run his unit as he wants.

2. Use years experience as justification to promote Ms B and hope that she doesn't come for him afterwards.

3. Or just nicely get ride of her.

I will recommend option 1.

fantastic! I like your analysis. Ms B was not promoted because she has 4 SO under her and Mr A was the performer under her unit the other three were only giving her average performances. On the average she was getting 2.5 /4 then. Moving her to other department depends if she has the required skill. Also, she is a middle management staff, that grade is quite heavy the department that will absorb her must have doubled their bottom line the previous year to create enough budget to accommodate her

This is a real life situation but I will make it as fictional as possible. I might also make it a bit difficult to comprehend because....I choose to.

Mr A was a sales officer quite good and all. So he was recommended for promotion and he got it. Ideally he was supposed to spend 9months on his new grade to be appraised again (mid term appraisal) and another 9months for recommendation. Fortunately, he performed above expectations in the mid term (in fact he had a perfect score) and that qualified him for another promotion and he got it.

Previously his line manager was 2grades above him. His line manager has spent 6years on her current grade without promotion. Mr A's rapid promotion now brought him to the present grade of his line manager.

Line managers >>>>RHs >>>>>CH...in that order. The RH position is not a grade but an office, unlike the LM position that is a grade and an office. (you must be a line manager by grade to be nominated for RH position). Recall, Mr A is not a line manager by office but he and his line manager are at par grade wise.

Also note that Mr A was getting those recommendations because his LM (let's say Ms B) was recommending him based on his performances. Now it is not unusual for you to perform outstandingly and not get promoted. Appraisals are based on attitude, aptitude and performance (Attitude cannot be quantified and to an extent subjective).

Before the lockdown, the regional head vanished (take it like that) and Mr A was appointed RH. Ms B will now report to Mr A. Ms B groomed Mr A and A was under her tutelage for a longtime. Ms B is still a line manager and has other reports like the initial Mr A under her. Sadly they are not performing hence Ms B is not performing cos individual performances makes up Ms B's performance.

Mr A has other LM reporting to him and he has issued Ms B several queries due to PF. During virtual strategy sessions Mr A will criticise Ms B approach and all. Now Mr A has a good heart towards Ms B. ( I know that because I am the one writing). The thing is Mr A is also other pressure to perform and all the LM performances under Mr A makes up Mr A's performance. Mr A is trying to proof he is good for the job.

It now looks like Mr A is ungrateful and wicked. Finally Ms B has spent over 7yrs on her current grade and badly needs a recommendation. The pendulum might not swing in her favour if she doesn't get it. Mr A has other LMs that have performed better and have stayed lesser years
than Ms B on their grade that also need recommendation. Due to budget size and Covid Mr A cannot recommend more than 1 person.

Mr A wants to be a good man....Ms B might be axed if she doesn't move on her grade.

How will you handle this?

paulGrundy:
A contract staff was queried on marketing report without prior notice/warning (they are to followup customers and prospects everyday and write a report on the outcome). he was accused of putting in some ficticious names and information. He was found guilty by disciplinary panel and dismissed on grounds of falsification of information, deliberately misleading panel and doubtful integrity.

He is looking for another job.
HR personel in the house, can he include the experience he has with the said firm on his CV?
will it affect his chances of getting another job?

note: its not a fraud case or money issue. The victim was witchhunted.

Companies do background checks for senior roles and middle management positions. Banks are also strict with background checks no matter the grade as long as you will be employed as a full staff and your position will influence your grade. However from what you have written no one really cares about a contract staff and all. If he is going to a new company to become a full member of staff, he would probably be given entry level position. If it is for another contract role, he should include his previous experience (no body is doing any background shit) it will give him an edge.

southniyikaye:
Op, why are you being tribalistic?
Do you think abroad people differentiate if you are igbo or yoruba or hausa?
Highlighting the name won't do you any good...


For those quoting me, I am yoruba

The thing is a lot of people think Europeans and Asians can differentiate people from sub-saharan Africa. Just as all Chinese look the same to you, that is how all black Africans look same to them.

internationalman:
Maybe he's a yahoo boy gone broke.

Nigerians place too much importance or values on cars..

Over here cars are considered luxuries and a yard stick for measuring how wealthy a person is.

In developed countries it's just a necessity.

No bro! everywhere in the world, there are luxury cars.

simigold:
I laugh. 18yrs in corporate world up to managerial level no be joke o. Don't just go there.

you are lying...see if you worked in corporate environment you will know that before you proceed on leave, there is a handover process. Your reliever signs that he/she clearly understands your job role. Intact if you have pending items, you both go through it together. Sometimes a handover process can take over 2weeks. So if I travel to Dubai during my annual leave you will call me back? Then HR will have to repay my leave allowance or i will have to reclaim my expense and extend my leave period. No structured organization calls you back from leave biko.

simigold:
Still beating about the bush. Get into reality. Whether standard or fluctuating management system, if you are not valuable to the system, your days are numbered. Did you read from the article where the banks realized that the system of workers working from home has actually exposed the fact that work can still go on normally with few staff on ground?

In reality there are core staff that are very critical to the growth of an organization, others are support staff. Take it or leave it.

the truth is you have never worked in a structured corporate environment before, so you will never understand how it works.

That man cannot make 30k a day and look like that...lie small small

Gerrard59:
But you reside abroad, why not relocate to Nigeria? Do you like the racism over there Mr Bayo of Nairaland?

will you advise a guy that is working with his also working both earn around 300k individually to relocate to say 'Canada'. They have a child...

favor914:
Maybe in Bakassi, Cameroon? 2014 premeditated deceit, What a waste of money, free money for pdp goons? No right minded person believes anyone has any intentions of holding any imaginary conference, similar to the sham orchestrated by Dr Ebele Jonathan.

It is quite apparent that you are an APC fanatic. So a Buhari confab will be better of? Your monicker is a disguise. Yoruba's Igbo's ND, North all support the 2014 confab except people with impaired thinking like you. Firstly the confab was not done be National Assembly. Every state brought their representative. They deliberated and in unison a report was birthed. So if Buhari makes a confab then the next president comes in and say it was a partial let us have a new confab...to what end? See it is good to play politics and reap instant gain but remember Providence will always favour the upright.

2-2

I was at my favourite lounge on Friday when a waiter cum acquaintance told me how he purchased correct scores and encouraged me to stake . Presently I am viewing the game (70mins played). No miracle can save this . If I catch that guy

Goalnaldo:
Marrying in Nigeria now is difficult let alone an Igbo girl. My elder brother will be tying the nuts in January and I can tell you it's only God that has been helping him. The drinks our potential in-laws listed amounted to over 300k!! I wonder why most parents see their daughters marriage as a means to amass possessions.

bros this list have existed long before now. No be because of your brother them do am. It is tradition! it is also negotiable

ModestGal:
I'm a digital entrepreneur now, I make videos, promotional video adverts for people, animated videos, and graphics

I don't know why I am so interested in your matter Modestgal. You see ehh working in a corporate organization will help you boost your business. My sis bakes cake and small chops. She wasn't doing really well until she joined banking. I believe that boosted her business because she now had a platform that gave her access to clients and recommendations. Your business is good but you cannot claim to be an entrepreneur yet (you are only self employed). Bad thing is you may have great difficulty in scaling your business due to funding. Now imagine you getting into big corporate organizations and you find yourself in their marketing and corporate communications department? All these your soft skills will be put to effective use and you will be seen as a performer from day uno. You can also run your business by the side and get the opportunity to attract liquid clients...I think I will rest my case on your matter here.

ModestGal:
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I didn't apply to those jobs you mentioned, not my field

Field? Who talks about field in today's world. I wrote CFA level1 with a medical doctor who is a chartered account and works with Citi bank. I studied building tech. I don't even know what the course entails anymore cos my career have span from Banking to Audit and presently Sales. Sis look...education to me is an investment and you must cashout from your certificate otherwise it is a bad investment. Please but your certificate to good use now that age is on your side.

techrola:
Yes it is wrong to hurt the feelings of religion believers, insulting the prophet hurt us a lot, if u don't desist more beheadings..

I blame france. Muslims can't try shit in China. In China Muslims are kept in labour camps. Myanmar have dealt crazily with the rohinga Muslims. Japan is one of the most peaceful countries guess what? They do not tolerate Islam. There is no mosque in Japan and no Islamic country has an embassy there. With time Europe will seat up and deal with the mess they created

SilverNorGold:
The title is better..

May God help us all.





This is Evil..

"Islam"? "cancer"? "Islamic terrorism?" Why drag Islam into this, as if it's what Islam teaches? I have lots of Muslim friends, and I must confess, they're the most important people I have ever come across in my life. I have made business with a lot of people, including Muslims, Christians and Atheists..

I have also read the Qur'an and nowhere does it support terrorism or the killing of innocent people. If you read any book, including the Qur'an and the Bible, to look for something to attack, you'll definitely find, as objective reasoning and contexts will be thrown out of the window.

While I strongly condemn the diabolical acts of the bad eggs in Islam, we should stop portraying them(the bad eggs) as though they are the exemplary Muslims.

Similarly, we should not portray the bad eggs in Christendom -- like The Irish Republican Army (IRA),The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), the National Liberation Front of Tripura, The Anti-balaka(who infamously said: “There are still nine Muslims here. We will capture them. We will kill them. When we finish here, we will go to the next village and kill the Muslims there, too".. ), Army of God(described by Wikipedia as "an American Christian terrorist organization), Concerned Christians., The Phineas Priesthood, the Ku Klux Klan(KKK) -- as exemplary Christians. It's wrong to call them "Christian Terrorists" because of the Unchristian activities of a few.

The truth is, no matter the religion, evil people will definitely justify their actions using any religious books, whether the Bible or the Quran. The Slave Trade, Colonialism, Crusades, Jihadist Conquests, etc.. They all cited or used the Bible and the Qur'an to justify their wicked acts! Such is life! Such is the evil nature of man! Anyone can cherry pick any verse out of context to justify whatever they want to achieve..

May God help humanity.

we had a Muslim roommate back in the university he was calm and peaceful. One day there was this joke about a teacher tearing a quran. He said "quite frankly the teacher should be beheaded". At that point I understood Islam. Islam is evil. U are a Muslim I understand your sentiment. But it doesn't change what it is, it is an intolerable religion hence it is violent. Accept it and move on

ModestGal:
Lol, it's the truth bro

I hope i am not meddling much, is that you don't apply for these adverts? or you were not shortlisted for tests and interviews....or you didn't pass the tests....with your age and class of degree at least you should have written about 8 tests from good coys in the last 2yrs

ModestGal:
Lol,why the thing con pain you like this

No be say e pain me...it is abnormal. Unless you probably are not saying the whole truth.

ModestGal:
I finished university at age 19
I don't think I was rushed, it just happened naturally, I was the best in my classes and thus the need to promote me, and when I registered for primary school exam, I passed more than all my seniors, so parents just allowed me to go to JSS1
I will be clocking 24 soon and yet, no Job even after finishing both Undergraduate and post graduate at 22. Not just graduating but graduating as the best student in both, what if I was still in 300level? Or I'm just graduating with a second class lower at age 24? It means I would never find a job in Nigeria.
Well, I don't hope getting any Job anymore, I have passed that age, I have bigger dreams now, very big ones.
I just look at my classmates but can't help pitying them, especially those doing their PHD already, they have no hope, no single hope

Useless country called Nigeria

Something is wrong. You cannot be best in your class and graduate at 19-20 and not get a good job. Aunty don't lie. Access bank recruited every year from 2014-2019, fbn 2016 to 2018...same with kpmg, PWC deloitte, Unilever etc..were you not applying? It is either you are lying or not smart. Cc ednut1 and other nairaland auditors abeg make una come audit this case

luvmijeje:
Anyway, make I waka pass before my mouth kill me. Thank God that I'm not a detective.

You would have been a crappy detective cos from the onset of your investigation, you are already making judgements.

Neddstark:
In the next few days, there is going to be a shoot on sight against suspected touts and hoodlums. Please dont move out unless necessary.

you always think shooting will end everything? There are shootings everyday in Somalia, in Sudan yet the countries ain't peaceful. Why is the president holding meetings and calling for calm? Yes you can shoot and kill hundreds or thousands but bit by bit the youths are also acquiring weapons hence it will get to a point of shoot me I shoot you. Don't also forget that the soldiers shooting have families that are soft targets for the hoodlums... You need sense now

sammirano:
Se were ni eleyi ni? Face the truth and stop this nonsense.

see you are not a Yoruba. Either you are a bastard or a northerner but not omoluabi.

sammirano:
Ala aye baje. Who will unify with you people? Only a fool will do that. Igbos will always be who they are. We the true son of Oduwa knows that.

you are not a Yoruba. This guy is from the north. Divide and rule tactics. All omoluabi can spell Oduduwa! These are Northern youth trying to divide us. Fagba is presently being looted why are you not telling us to gather and face the Hausa's causing mayhem there

Emman93:
I pity IBO people across Yoruba land in coming years , that hatred you spitting all over the internet will consume you all especially those in the East.

Guy keep your pity, as at yesterday, Hausa guys were looting Fagba and the Yoruba youths were all scared. Go to Fagba and save your people