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oduzbaba89:
Visiting visa

Introductory letter from your office, 6 months bank statement, invitation letter from sa, hotel booking preferably paid, yellow fever card, pls guys add more

lalabu:
So when you help Femiaction with his critical skill,why then are you condeming him studying with is critical skill permit?you are just confused,i dont know you,you dont know me so stop forming big man of South Africa here and leave anybody with their decision.

I did not help femiaction to get his critical skills he got it via his diligence and hardwork. I only called at a point to encourage him. I do not condemn him for studying, I just feel he should also get a job. I feel bad he can't get a job

lalabu:
See immigration lawyer...As if our country has greener grasses.Abeg shift and leave anybody that wants to leave the shores of Nigeria tk make it,its none of your business,am not related with all this people but i always come to this forum and i do see how you dicourage people of what they want to do to better their future,why will you be discouraging people not to go and study in SA when you are,

for the sake of your ignorance, I can not count the number of people have helped on this thread to get visas, people PM and I am fast to reply and give my whatsapp number, have helped people on this thread with accommodation papers, how they will go about it, When Femiaction was in doubt of his critical skills and the approval in lagos, I was in doubt too, but when someone i knew got his in Lagos I called Femiaction in Nigeria to tell him the success story of the person just to encourage him. I do it for humanity and not for human gratification. so when u talk thrash about people, mind who u talk about cos this is a faceless forum. some guys here dont even know who I am but later they find out somehow.

lalabu:
See immigration lawyer...As if our country has greener grasses.Abeg shift and leave anybody that wants to leave the shores of Nigeria tk make it,its none of your business,am not related with all this people but i always come to this forum and i do see how you dicourage people of what they want to do to better their future,why will you be discouraging people not to go and study in SA when you are,

You are just scared of reality, you just get bad belle chai

lalabu:
You talk as if you have been leaving in SA forever,I perceive some untruth in your talk as well,although i dont know the guy you quoted but i know someone that got his critical skill permit of recent too,so dont talk as if you know it all in SA.. Different folks with his or her story..stop discouraging people from leaving nija to look for a better life anywhere they like, go home if you want to go they are not forcing you to stay in their country..i dont know what is good about our country,we dont benefit anything as a citizen.Do you think if we enjoy the luxury of light and some little little things some countries enjoy we will leave our country to go to another country to look for a better life?You are talking as if Nigeria is heaven on earth,forget that thing bros

I compared Critical skill visa to exceptional skills, critical skills is much harder to get please try and comprehend my grammar. Can someone that studied Political Science or Human Resources or Business Admin or IRPM or English and many other courses get Critical skills, all the guys here that have critical skills are all engineers. if you are not in STEM (Science, Technology,Engineering or Medicine) forget critical skills. I think you just a beef person. I will pass

lalabu:
Leave anybody that wants to sell their grandpa property to go to SA its none of your business,stop discouraging people...You can as well leave your job ans phd in SA and come back home,afterl there are places you can do your PHD apart from SA.

this guy take am personal o

lalabu:
God bless you,so on point,no any benefit we derive from our so call gaint of Africa country...its just full of shit

Nigeria is not full of sh.it! haba because you are in another man's country you start sayig derogatory words against your country. I hope you have torn you naija passport o

femiaction:
You said I think I sent femi the info. I did not see any info. I need the info. Thanks

I sent it via whatsapp, Job opportunities in Naija, I asked if u had anyone back home and u said no

justwise:
Bro there is no need for that lets argue politely.

not everyone that has a degree or gone outside the country is civil. dont stress yourself on correcting people. The same person shouting by God's grace is calling a man made by God foolish. Nigerians I hail

oduzbaba89:
Good afternoon my fellow niralanders , I just got into mess over the issue of SA visa as I was in a mess . I met this agent who applied for SA visa for me in march 2016 as I was denied on forged documents on the letter that came with my passport, e said Lagos is bad that I need to re apply from abuja which e did visa denied again on the ground that documents can't be verified.

Am tired as I need to go SA for contingent reasons. Please when is the best to re apply to SA again or what is it I can do. I need candid advice. Thanks

you dont need an agent to get an SA visa. what category of visa are you applying for so i can assist.

Shine1177:
It is not by course you study. God can make a way for any man. Their is this Sister in our church who shared her testimony. She is a school teacher, she has been in Southy for years and she has Permanent Resident Permit but due to work politics towards foreigners they stopped her salary in January and told her her job has ended except she bring South African ID unknown to them she applied a long time ago. She went to Home Affairs and it was discovered that her application was abandoned because of a single document she did not attached, she got the document and within few weeks her ID was release. She went back to work, presented her ID and those devils were put to shame. Her salary was paid even for those month she did not work because those people were only carrying out the instruction of the Principal not of that the government.

Since Femi has gone to Home Affairs office and the officials told him to go because they did not know how to do their job according to you. Is Femi to be blamed? If he got school admission with his work permit how is that a problem to any brother from Nigeria? I think every man should know their limit.

My point is that you should stop celebrating your Permanent Resident Permit but work hard towards getting your ID, these things are not difficult as you paint them. For your information, I will hold my PR before this year end despite the fact that I'm less than 2-years in SA. Your belief is not necessary.

Don't let anyone misunderstand me, what I am saying is that you still make it here. I have met people who have spent 6 year in SA and their life have no colour, they still beg for money. One told me in 2015 that I should not consider staying behind after my studies because their country is now bad. I replied him that this country, South Africa will favour me and work for me. It was not as if I don't have anything doing before I came, I was working in a University in Nigeria but I think and I know I will become a better man if I add value to myself by studying in SA. It has paid off to some extent. It can work for any man or woman also but make sure you come with enough money for your rent at least for a year.

If you call me Mr. SA ambassador what should we call you? Please we need you back home to help Buhari fix Nigeria. For your information every minute you spend in South Africa you are delaying the progress of our fatherland. Please take the next available flight. Safe journey. Bami ki Tinubu ati Buhari pe won ku ise ilu o, Oluwa a ma so agbara won dotun. O da bo.

Na wa o see insults cos you are defending another man's like this. You keep on saying miracle, God's favour as if all these are not applicable in Nigeria. You said a teacher got PR by stroke of miracle that shows that its not the norm. when u say miracle or testimony that means it is an exception.

I have never come here to gloat over my PR, I consider it a privilege a rare privilege and am grateful. Thank you for your rare "concern"over a SA ID, yes I have an SA ID and an ID book. ose

Shine1177:
That is where your problem lies.

You don't know and you don't want to agree that you don't know.

femiaction reported himself at the DHA and the official told him what he wanted. He said he is just trying to fulfil all the conditions on his Work Permit. The official told his to go, that he does not have any business doing in their office since he has already gotten his Work Permit he should go and work or do whatever he wanted with it. I am a living witness.

You think everybody is cursed. No! I repeat it again. You sound PAINED! Face whatever brought you to SA and leave other Nigerians with their life. No body advised you not to travel to SA when you came, so you should not make yourself Solicitor-General of Department of Home Affairs.

E se sir.

The condition for critical skills visa is to report to dha with you contract, even a lot of dha staff are not even aware of this condition and they ought to give u a letter to this effect. I know a guy that went to centurion the dha staff didn't know what to do until he wen to jozi before they did the right thing, mr SA ambassador am not mocking femi, I actually feel pain he hasn't got a job and I pray he does. You talk of those opportunities u have, u are an engineer, u are exempted from the harsh reality. What abt pple tgat study other courses like in arts, do they have the same opportunities

Shine1177:
I have always try to avoid you on this platform due to the way you go about your advise to in-coming Nigerians and if you check my profile, I hardly make comment here, I only come here to read comment and go. Femiaction is my neigbour and church member and he knows that all I have said on this forum is true. I live in Durban CBD (see the attached picture. I took that picture from my bedroom both day & night view of Durban Seaport). Sometimes last year when Wizkid and his friends came to Durban Seaport to celebrate that All-White birthday party on a Yatch, i told my friend that see what our celebrity are dying to flex, the same Yatch I can rent for R1000 - I mean it is at my backyard.

You make everything seem hard to get in South Africa. You know what I usually tell people like you anytime I meet such? I always say since you say South Africa is bad now, it is not as good as it was 5 or 10 years ago. i use to ask them "What good did they achieve those years they claim the country was good? Most of them wasted opportunities, now that those things are gone, they started complaining. For your information foreigners are making it big time in SA and foreigners will still continue to make it big time in many years to come in South Africa and foreigner will never stop to come into any country for that matter for life. Ilu to k'o waju s'eni kan, eyin lo ko s'omo e'lo mi (The drum that faces a man is also backing another man). It depend on the side of the coin you get. You sound PAINED. No be by year wey you don spend o, nah the grace of God wey we carry, the grace different as our face differs).

Femiaction got registered as ECSA member from Lagos, Nigeria and he was issued his 5-years Critical Skill Work Permit in Lagos. His wife is doing her PhD while he is doing his PG studies now. I remember you told him on this forum that it is not possible to use Work Permit to study in any SA university. I remember he replied you that it is God doing. We should learn not to be dogmatic. I came to South Africa with a 3-year Student Visa in March 2015, now I am a registered member of ECSA that is why I could submit my application for 5-years Critical Skill Work Permit towards obtaining my Permanent Residence Permit. I read you advising one guy like that not to think about it because it is not possible to change from Study Permit to Work Permit, I just look and pass, 'wetin concern me'. When the Permit land in my hand in a matter of weeks, I will buzz you brother. The new guy that I said just came from Nigeria in February 2016 to my department, I have been putting him through the processing to get his Work Permit also. He has done his MIE evaluation within 8 week, he should be submitting his application for ECSA evaluation next week when he collect his Tutorship salary. Dey dia dey form I know it all.

As much as some of your statement are valid about working in government parastastal, you should learn how to believe other Nigerians when they tell you their stories. Imagine how you think I live in KwaMashu. For your information, I meet a Nigerian in RCCG last month, this guy is a Master student like me and he drives two (2) cars. Another lecturer when he came some years ago as a student drove 3-cars as a studet, he is now a Professor in Mogosuthu University of Technology. You may say they are doing drugs. Nay so people wey no se front dey also talk. I asked that guy how come he has two cars as a student, he told me how easy it is to get a VW Golf for R35,000 and how he bought his Honda 2010 R45,000 from the the fund he got and junior lecturer slot that his Professor gave at UKZN Howard Campus. I that just came in last year can afford to buy a car of R50,000 as a student now by the Grace of God. Those who don't know anything will say I am doing drugs. Well if you decide to close your eye to the the good of the land, it will definitely pass you by. At least I have meet Samtol and femiaction who are Nairalander in Durban.

Mr. Nigeria, make you hurry go help Buhari fix Nigeria.

Abeg make dem no discourage you if you get good plan and Baba God for you. Just look dem and pass.

I laugh at your folly for you to think I am pained about the system. I have benefitted so much in the system. I have a very good job, my job takes me round the globe, same with my wife who even has a better job than I do. But I won't use my situation to categorise every other person. By the grace of God in a couple of weeks am bringing pple into SA from naija to come and train. Mechanical engineers (Nigerians) I think I sent femi the info, so bros am doing quite well. SA has done a lot for me and I have also done lot for SA. Like a guy said, someone had cumlade yet can't get a job, I know tens like dat. So don't ever think pple here that rant are frustrated we just say it as it is

femiaction:
Mr staggerlee please not everybody tells lies okay. What shine1177 said was truth.(As per his accommodation is staying in DURBAN CITY and not bush nor township as you said) This forum is for us to share our experiences not to discourage people. Sir there is no any stress to get critical work permit when you have all necessary document required for the permit and God's favour. Then less i forget you said you are doing your PhD in SA now, i believe you can still continue with your program in Nigerian now to join your friends and enjoying what they are enjoying at home. I know there is no job in SA not even in Nigeria and throughout the world. But you are not the position to discourage people because you are still in the same country that you are condemning. Please share your experience and your testimonies not to discourage people. As far as people are coming on academic ground please don't discourage them because you are a student there. Thanks.

I do not condemn any city rather I promote my country. SA has tried for all of us and I will always be grateful.

You came here with critical skills as an engineer with mad experience, you couldn't get a job but you still couldn't get a job, now u have gone to study breaking immigration rules because u have not reported to DHA that you have got a job. Or don't you know that's a condition on ur critical skills? I am only been frank, I am not discouraging anybody. SA is beautiful but it has no greener grasses

femiaction:
Mr staggerlee please not everybody tells lies okay. What shine1177 said was truth.(As per his accommodation is staying in DURBAN CITY and not bush nor township as you said) This forum is for us to share our experiences not to discourage people. Sir there is no any stress to get critical work permit when you have all necessary document required for the permit and God's favour. Then less i forget you said you are doing your PhD in SA now, i believe you can still continue with your program in Nigerian now to join your friends and enjoying what they are enjoying at home. I know there is no job in SA not even in Nigeria and throughout the world. But you are not the position to discourage people because you are still in the same country that you are condemning. Please share your experience and your testimonies not to discourage people. As far as people are coming on academic ground please don't discourage them because you are a student there. Thanks.

My job is tied to my PHD. I can not leave SA now. I am not making this personal, my point is don't stress ur self to come to SA. U can come and do masters or phd here and if u get favour its fine. Critical skills is much more difficult in comparism to exceptional skills. SA is not worth selling ur property to move to. Dony leave naija planing on u will get a scholarship

NaGodwin:
Can u compare it to the number of jobless graduates in Nigeria that can't even find menial jobs to put food on their table?

My brother it is better to be jobless in Nigeria than to be jobless in a foreign country like SA. Ofcos there are more jobless gradutes in Nigeria, no doubts, but a Nigerian being jobless in SA is like a death sentence, in naija u can go and sell gala u can't try that as a foreigner here. So no basis for comparism

Shine1177:
Don't let anyone discourage you if you have a good intention to study and stay in SA thereafter. I am a practical testimony. I came here in March 2015 for my Master degree. I applied for my school scholarship and waited for nine months but it was not forthcoming. I was living on the little cash I brought from Nigeria. My rent was R2,000 per month, I cook my food by myself so I spend less than R1,000 a month. I am a quite person, so I don't go out that much, all I spend on Taxi a month is less than R200 (Taxi is R5 per trip in my city) sometimes I walk to school, maximum 15 minute. Taking that into consideration I spend R3,200 per month (N64,000 per month). Mind you, I don't pay for electricity and water, that is part of the rent, I don't pay school fee, my school offer tuition-free for Master by Research. Sometimes in September 2015, all PG students got a mail from the Research Office that we should apply for NRF (National Research Fund) 2015, I applied and among the 22 Master degree students that got it, only 2 Nigerians were on the list and I was one of the two. What amount are we talking about here? R80,000 (Eighty thousand Rand). I got that in December 2015, I couldn't access it before I traveled down to Nigeria for Christmas holiday. When I returned in January 2016, I got the money in my account. Then come February 2016, we got another mail to apply for renewal of our NRF scholarship (for Master it 2-years; PhD 3-years), I did and in March 2016, I got another R80,000 (Eighty thousand Rand). All these without knowing anybody or speaking to someone. All through God's grace.

Not everyone earn R2,500 for tutoring. I am also tutoring and I earn nothing less than R4,000/month it's 20 hours per week at R50 per hour (Although you can only tutor for two and half month per semester). Another Nigerian just got registered in my department February 2016 and he is already tutoring for minimum R4,000. That pay his rent.

Now I will be graduating come September 2016 by God grace and my supervisor, an Indian, who happen to be a nice man, he is also an Executive Member of ESKOM Board, his already advising me to go for a 3-year graduate training in ESKOM with a good pay to go before I begin my PhD. (I know say I go get am. Not every man dey suffer, our head are not the same).

My Critical Skill Work Permit will soon land in my hand in a matter of weeks (I read sometimes ago on this platform where that guy said it is not possible to change from Student Visa to Work Visa - I just dey do my own thing jeje) and my wife and children will be following me to SA permanently in January 2017 when I return to Nigeria in December 2016. At least I have a plan to live in South Africa for maximum 12 years before I return home to play politics. My senior brother, a Professor, who came here in 2013 got his Work Permit and Permanent Residence Permit within 18-month. He left SA after he finished his Post-Doctoral Fellowship in 12 month, he is doing fine in Nigeria as always. His friend, a lady from Unilag also got her PR and relocated her husband and three children. So everyone with his or her own destiny and desire. Nobody should dissuade anyone from relocating to any part of the world, so far it is legally done.

If you have a VISION and you commit your PLANS into God's hand. If all foreigners are complaining, I tell you, you will not have a reason to complain.

My candid advise to anyone coming, make sure you process your Student Visa yourself, don't pay any agent. I did mine all alone. Come with cash that can pay your rent for minimum 12 months, so that you don't sleep on the street (No padi-padi for Southy, even if your brother get all the Rand) before then you will find your level.

DON'T BE DISCOURAGE BY STORIES.

I find some untruths in yours story, first I find it hard to gulp that you pay rent of R2000 in todays SA, with electricty when electricity went up April 1st by 9.4%. U must be staying in a bush or one township like Kayaleisha. I have never doubted the fact that u can't get scholarships but how many do get? And also for what courses? Is it available to every foreigner in every field? You shout critical skills WP, have you joined ECSA, do u know the stress to get critical skills now compared to getting exceptional skills WP, 3 years ago. Look at the new immigration act of 2014, you can't work in ESKOM unless u have an I.D that is a PR holder. You can't be in any govt parastital with WP unless u are a consultant. You claim to have gotten NRF, how many do get it? Your case is an exception not the norm. U claim to earn 4.5 per month as a tutor, do u earn this amount in jan, feb, june, july, nov, dec? Don't come here and paint sa like its one heaven abeg.

justwise:
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Then you don't have to wait for 3yrs you can start moving back to Nigeria to enjoy the wonderful life there this year.

Its very easy to visit and make judgement but when you have to live there permanently to see what people go through then you understand better.

Tell me one thing that works in Nigeria that you are proud of?

Survival of the fittest by hook or by crook is not life

I think you have taken this personal. I don't think u live in SA, to see the number of foreign gradutes that can't renew or get permits hence they are jobless.

justwise:
That first line defeated the rest of your comments.

You used your situation and that of your friends as an example but we have at least 150m people in Nigeria and majority are not privileged as you are.

There are Nigerians doing very well all over the world who couldn't do the same while in Nigeria.

Doing well is a relative term because for some people they just want to have some basic things in life...electricity, water, good road, basic education and security, this is what Nigeria can not offer to many of her citizens now.


SA gave you the opportunity to gain your education on that high level probably on scholarship? And you are able to set time target to achieve that, can you set the same target in Nigeria and achieve it without political issues and lecturer's strike interfering?

I have never applied or got any scholarship before. People do get but I never did. It is now so hard to get scholarship as a no SA citizen or Permanent resident. People will tell you I just need the basics, water, power and fuel. let them get it you will now see that is not what they really want. just 5 days back in SA i am missing Lagos, the friendly people, the love, the rice and dodo, the night life on the island and so many more, yet the light and water i have can not take the place of what I miss in Lagos. i dont have to carry my ID book around in Lagos like I do here in SA. I am free, here everyone makes me know even though have got an ID i am still a foreigner and that to me sucks big time

Final advise, people will tell you its greener at the other side, I say with all sincerity, it isnt greener anymore in SA. For me its been a good ride for me, but its getting really harder for new people coming in.

You guys are missing a point here, SA 5 or 6 years ago was much better, now they don't want us. Before a medical doctor can come to SA and get a job the next day, now it is no more that easy. They have made it so hard for foreign doctors to practice in SA, so if u think someone came here 2010 and he is already shining now means that someone will come now and shine in 2020 its a falacy. SA don hard my brothers, I live here and I know. People on work permit are returned at the airport cos the immigration officer can't see ur tax file or returns. Imagine living here and working here and u are returned after a trip out of SA.

justwise:
1. Do you think there are Nigerians living in SA that are doing better than their friends in Nigeria?

2. Why do you want to wait for 3yrs and not now?

Being successful is not a function of location, truth is we need not stress ourselves to leave naija, some pple are world millionaires in Burkinafaso (one time the 4th poorest country). It is easier to be successful in your home country than a foreign land like SA.

3 years is the max I can leave, I have a job here I can't just leave, my wife has a career here so when u are a family man u don't just take decisions on your own. I am still pursuing my doctorate degree, it must be completed, but have started a process in Nigeria that will take me back and forth at interval till I go back and settle finally

eben1991:
Good morning, please i will like to know if one get automatic admission for Msc after going through Honours, and whats the fees compare to that of the Msc?

Yes if u get a good score in your honours say an average of 65%, you should be able to get in for MSc. Honours for a Non South African and a non PR holder you will pay about R70k but depends on school and course

muhaogunlo:
You keep focusing on the rich people in Nigeria, you need to look at the bigger picture, the common man working tirelessly to enrich the rich people, not everyone is good doing business, I beg to disagree that you need millions to go for a masters in SA, as you didn't break a sweat to do your PG studies in SA, some other people don't break a sweat, also, there are schools in SA that give full tuition fee waiver for PG studies and you can even apply for scholarships even though it's quite competitive, it's not impossible to get. I agree there are no odd jobs but there are tutorship opportunities and some schools in SA even give free accommodation to PG students. Tell me you were sad when you got your PR. Or that you will return your PR when going back to Nigeria then I'll agree with you that you are really sure you don't need to have a plan B when going back to Nigeria. The point is, PG studies in SA or any other country in the world opens your eyes to opportunities and removes the limitation you get in Nigeria due to the lack of basic amenities. You've got that eye opener thats why you are going back home to invest in the economy. I think you should rather encourage more people to get that eye opener than discourage them, they don't have to stay after their PG studies but the basic thing is that they will leave as a better person, if not financially then intellectually.

I will give u an instance, a friend of mine came to do his MBA, he paid a whooping school fees of 3.2 mill, living expenses for another 1.5m for a year. Plane ticket, visa fees and all let's just say 400k. After his MBA, immigration laws changed he couldn't get a work permit, he wasted like 6 months he couldn't get a work permit. As at the time he was leaving for SA he was an ABO in a bank earning 235k a month, so he had no choice but to go back to naija, luckily his bank hired him back as an ABO, his colleagues had become BO some SBO. He spent close to 6m on an MBA and still came back to the same job. Imagine if he had bought a 6m car and put this into Uber and making 200k car on the car, don't u feel that is better than his MBA. His mates over took him.

Am not sure whether u realised that getting a permit in SA is so difficult now, when Gigaba took over the reins in 2014, DHA changed. As at the time I applied for my PR, 7 others applied that I know, I and my wife were the only one approved. Till today I count myself a miracle. If you are planning to stay after your PG in SA, its a tough one, SA people don't want us anymore, that's the plain truth. The economy of SA isn't smiling like before. As at the time I got here dollar was about 8 rands, now it is 14.32 (it got to 16 in dec)and is just getting better. Interest rate was less than 4% now it is 7%. Those tutor jobs don't pay your bills, maybe u earn at most 2.5k a month and its seasonal what happens to when underG's are on break?
You talk about tuition fees been free, how many non SA gets those tuition free now when SA people are shouting fees must fall. So if u get tuition fees free what happens to accommodation and feeding? Its still a lot of money. I was blessed to get my PR on a platter of gold and not 10% can be that lucky again.
Finally there is a clause on my PR that says I have to be in the republic at least once every 3 years or I forfeit it, I will gladly forfeit it if I have to be away for 2 years. Its not a do or die affair for me to have a PR, have seen someone forgoing a green card how much more a south african PR.

stevetop:
Well... moving up is relative and the grass always seem green on the other side. The basic amenities that are available in SA will save you a lot of hard earned money. Presently people fuel their cars and generators with as much as 200 naira per litre, you will need your to put on the generator overnight ( that will gulp like 20 litres) - If you have your own business you will still need to have your generator on all through the day etc. It is true that no place can be like home, but it is not a bad idea to keep your options open - glad to know you have a PR already so there's always a plan B

I do see all the probs in Naija, but also there are more millionaires in Naija than in SA, I mean in dollars. If we dedicate the way we get visas to thinking of biz ideas and looking for biznesses in naija soon and soon we ll strike gold. Coming to do masters here u go spend millions, no odd jobs for students like the US to suppliment if we channel those millions to setting up something in naija u will flourish

muhaogunlo:
I rest my case. Thanks for the insight, really appreciate. Credit facilities in SA is a discussion for another day. I agree with you, you can never be a first class citizen in another man's country and a person in diaspora must be able to go back to Nigeria with something tangible to invest in the economy. I'll like to say again, you align with people that are well too do in Nigeria. God bless Nigeria. Cheers!

Let me also state that coming to SA didnt really make me a better person it is just a perception. like I said all my cronies that I last saw in Nigeria have all moved up the success ladder faster than myself. So probably, if I was in Naija I could have also made more success. A lot of people feel leaving Naija is the ultimate, I dont believe so, maybe if I had this believe years ago I would have stuck my guns in Naija

muhaogunlo:
I guess we are entitled to our opinion. But just before I rest my case, May I ask the reason why you left naija for SA when you did? And if you have any regrets? Also, what got better in naija from when you left till now that makes you want to return to naija? maybe we can take a que from your experience and stay back in Nigeria. Thanks.

I left Nigeria cos I was tired of just having a first degree, I wanted more and SA provided me the opportunity to do my research. I left Naija without breaking a sweat Thanks to God. Mind you have not said no one should not leave naija, but dont stress yourself to leave. What has changed in Naija since I left? Nothing! but people have changed, at least those I choose to align with. Everyone in my close cycle have stepped up. Like I say it depends on what you focus on that you will see. My mind set have changed, have decided to see the wealth. I left Naija on sunday, the airport was so full, yet we all complain no FOREX, no be FOREX those that are traveling go spend? I have decided to come back to Nigeria (maybe not fully cos I have a family here in SA) because 1. I am tired of living in another mans country 2. There is a limit a non south african by origin can rise to 3. I have business proposals I want to push into the Nigerian space 4. I am a Nigerian and I want to push the Nigerian project. 5. We live a fake life in SA, to buy car is credit, house is credit, clothes credit. I need to make real cash. for now naija is the only place that offers me that opportunity

Keneking:
You sound as if getting asylum in SA has become a criminal offence. This barber is a non citizen. He is on asylum with his payments up to date. He is recognised and thus not an "illegal immigrant."

In his country, the challenges are so much doing the same work.

The process of Nigerians and some other nationals getting asylum in SA is fraudulent. Some Nigerians will lie that they under threat in their home country, paint Naija like its one war zone, some even lie that they are not Nigerians, but from countries like Congo. Some will lie that they came into SA via the bush while they came in thru OR Tambo. Are these not crimes? Why lie or change identity cos of iwe (paper)? Yet u are quick to justify asylum seekers

Keneking:
Staggerlee - this is in response to your latest post. While i respect your intention to come back home (Nigeria) to invest etc., the point is that the current situation is not helpful.

Imagine a barber in Cape Town (Main Road) earning R30 per cut, without having the stress of buying fuel at black market rate for more than two months.I bet you can not compare the same occupation in Nigeria? The stress and agony pursuing a living in Nigeria is serious. You earn well outside the shores and improve their income generating power. I would like you to see this as an example.

I can bet u that if that barber is a non-south african, he is probably on asylum or he has done runs to get a permit to live in SA or he is living in SA illegaly, is this what a Nigerian should risk his/her integrity to do? He earns R30 per cut, the standard of living is crazy in SA so u can't directly compare wages together between SA and Naija. I also know barbers that charge 1,500 per cut in Naija.

OgaTheTop2:
Stagg, I get your points. It baffled me when I saw Nigerians doing all sorts of jobs there in SA, well, I wouldn't blame them. Current unavailability of employment opportunities in naija are not favourable to some calibre of naija people hence they choose working in SA. Saw some naijas parking cars for stipends in the rain and cold weather. I felt pained. saw some in fruit and food sheds selling fruits...I mean men with responsibilities. most naija ladies do hairdressing and some store works. Blame them not. Yet, some of us who are professionals in our chosen careers wouldn't even consider relocating to foreign land where we couldn't be free to express our living styles without the locals getting jealous and beefed up.
Anyways, good for you to come establish in naija. opportunities abound...

Have seen pple spend over 1m just to arrange visas to get out of naija if u invest that 1 m in doing something in naija and u are not a lavish spender, u will blow in no time, just be patient

muhaogunlo:
@staggerlee, I must say you've got rich friends, go to the grassroot level, you'll know the struggle is real. Let's not consider the wealth difference. You get stuck in gridlock hold up everyday, trips you make in minutes in SA will take hours in Nigeria, you practically have to pay for generator because power supply is not good, from my observation on this group, most Nigerians come here to study, I presume you also got your PR going through the study route in SA. There is no gain saying that if you are dedicated to your PG studies, you finish ur postgraduate degree within minimum time in SA. I know many people that finished their full time masters in 3yrs in Nigeria and they even said theirs was fast, meanwhile, I know quite a banner of people in SA that finished their masters and PhD within 3yrs with publications and they've got their PR. Don't forget that you are going to Nigeria as a better person than when you came to SA and you are going to invest in the Nigerian economy which is what we need. Nigeria needs us to give back than take from it, hence, I guess people are coming to SA to be able to study then go back to Nigeria to invest their intellectual and financial resources in the economy, I don't think that should be discouraged. I don't mean to be pessimistic about Nigeria but the suffering is much in Nigeria than in SA. I stand to be corrected.

First I find it hard to believe that anyone can get masters and phd in 3 years. In down town New York people are suffering. No where u go in the world, pple dey suffer, it now depends on what or who u focus on. Every policy in Naija has enriched some people, why can't we focus on those that benefit. Its about time to change our focus. Yes I saw fuel queues, yes I saw mad traffic, but that didn't limit my movement in anyway, I got what I had to do sharply. Naija is a place u can sleep with 1 naira and wake up as a millionaire. People have become millionaires because of dollar scarcity. My brother u need to shift ur antenna small (like wazobia tv advert on radio)