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kingxsamz:
Lol, watching real CCTV videos of people being hit by a vehicle is enough proof that you might probably die if you're hit by a vehicle.
Keyword: 'probably'.


You were the one who said that in the quote, not me.
Now bring your observations for your god's existence and let us knos how you arrived at the conclusion that it's a he and also has a son. I'm waiting.

How do you know it is real and not doctored?

kingxsamz:
stop contradicting yourself. You literally just used metal and humans to analyze now you're saying it's illogical. If you're going to use metal and humans to analyze, then you have to admit that humans who made metal were also created. So when you substitute metal for humans, then you have to admit that your god was also created just like humans who created metal were also created.

These question is only valid if God was part of the creation, just like sayi4+ng "If cars are made of metals, then the creators should also be made of metals"

You'd have to bring your observations and research for that my guy. Since your god is not part of our creation, let us know how you arrived at the conclusion that your god is the final stop.

The word 'Ultimate creator' is the final full stop and that is what is called God.

kingxsamz:
Lol, humans are not metal and metal are not humans. Besides, you people claim your god has a son, a son who came to earth with human genitals and all. So that point is invalid.
Also, if you're going to use the 'metal analogy', would you agree that the creators of the metal (humans) were also created? If yes, then that applies to your god.

You don't get it do you? Humans are not metals neither are metals humans, same way God is not part of creation neither is creation part of God.
Just as it is illogical to use metals to analyze humans so it is illogical to use humans to analyze God.
Because humans were created does not mean God must be created or else he ceases to be the ultimate source.

If you're going to tell us that the creation cannot know what the creator is made of, how then can you know that the creator wasn't also created? even your so called logic is against you. Funny guy.

The ultimate source of All things is not created else he ceases to be God.

kingxsamz:
This is poor logic lol.
If I want to know what would happen to a human if they got hit by a car, I can go online and watch videos of accidents where such already happened. We can also use 'test dummies' to ascertain what would happen to a human body if they got hit by a moving vehicle. So this is far from having faith.
Also, bacteria and diseases can be observed based on research and observation like you said. So tell us, what observation and research did you make that made you come to a conclusion that there's a god who created the world for two white people who ate a magical fruit after being deceived by a talking snake?

Watching videos of people hit by a car is not a proof, just like watching videos of people performing magic become a proof.

Dummies do not have life, getting hit by a car does not kill them because they do not have life in the first instance.

@bolded my conclusion about the existence of God is by observing the creations itself.

The sheer complexity of life itself makes it impossible to be a product of random events and only an infinity being is capable of bring these to existence.

Something cannot come out of nothing as can be seen from our day to day life.

LordReed:
Why do you think the life that gave rise to life on earth is a god?

The Ultimate source of life is God because he is the only self existent being,

LordReed:
Produce the evidence.

The evidence of God is the creation itself, look around you, man, mountains, air, plants animals etc are all evidence of God.
Only life can give rise to life, this is an indisputable proof of God.

LordReed:
We know viruses and bacteria exist because we have evidence. For gods we still are waiting for evidence.

we know God exist because we have evidence.

Dtruthspeaker:
Tell them! The proof of Seun is Nairaland, the proof of Mr.Toyoda is his Toyotas, the proof of owner of House is Control over the House. The Proof of Creator is THAT NOTHING CREATES ITSELF, in this world!

It is common sense

There are many things people believe but have not seen, probably will not see them throughout their entire life. However, does that mean they are foolish or have a low IQ?

Viruses,bacteria and other micro organisms are not seen with bare eyes but however we believe they are real because their activities can be observed and only recently were aids invented to be able to see and study them but the early scientist who discovered them probably never saw them but concluded they must exist simply by observing natural occurrence. So, many people including you there reader probably may not be able to see them but you might believe they exist.

Atoms, electrons, protons, etc were never seen yet men of old proposed the theory of their existence, how did they arrive at this? Through logic! Atoms were called in divisible form of matter. The logic stem from division, yes if we keep dividing or breaking down matter to it's nearest minimum, we get to a point where we can no longer divide or break it by any physical means, the form of matter at that point is what they called atom.
Guess what it is true to some certain extent.

Alot of things we believe to be true, have not personally being experienced but are probably true.
For example we believe if we jump into a moving vehicle we might get killed but have we experiment it? NO! But we believe it is true probably base on what has happened to others.

Belief in God
With these in mind is it logical to believe on the existence of God?
YES!
Although we cannot see God, the creation is an evidence that he exist.
I have prayed to God and gotten answers
His words are tested and trusted.
Do I need to see God before I believe?
No, just as I don't need to jump into a moving vehicle to know I can die by doing it. I believe in God base on the evidences provided by nature and base on logic.
For example only life can give rise to life.
If I believe in God then who created God
These question is only valid if God was part of the creation, just like saying "If cars are made of metals, then the creators should also be made of metals"
Everything that is created must have a beginning but the ultimate creator does not.

Psalms 19:1-3 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.

There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.