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Workch:
With basic thermodynamics of liquid, it’s easy to see the ridiculousness of the Noah’s ark myth.
The Bible claims that there was rainfall for 40days that covered the peak of Mount Everest, let’s even assume that the earth contains that much amount of water molecules to reach the height of 8848 meters. What about the latent heat of vaporization of the huge amount of water? What effect will that have on the ecosystem?
This can be even experimented in the most archaic of all scientific labs

What is latent heat of vaporization? Latent heat of vaporization is the latent heat, energy absorbed or released by a liquid during a change in its physical state into gaseous form that occurs without changing its temperature.
For example, when a pot of water is kept boiling, the temperature remains at 100 °C (212 °F) until the last drop evaporates, because all the heat being added to the liquid is absorbed as latent heat of vaporization and carried away by the escaping vapour molecules.

By calculation using the formula to calculate latent heat of vaporization, the amount of energy required from the sun to vaporize such amount of water that covered the peak of Mount Everest within a period of less than 1year will produce a latent heat of more than 5000 °C. This temperature will totally sterilize the biosphere, (part of the earth where living organisms thrive), even the so called thermophiles (organisms that live in extreme temperatures) will not survive this temperature.
So it makes no scientific sense that such an event can occur, it’s demonstrable in the lab that’s a ridiculous concept. Unless of cause you decide to inject miracles into it, however this doesn’t make it any more scientific. It doesn’t just make any scientific sense.

We just have to laugh over it because the story was written by Bronze Age nomads who didn’t even know that the earth is spheroid.
If you believe that story then you are even more ridiculous than they were.

This is actually not correct.

1.The statement, "water boils at 100°C is not thermodynamically correct."
It is actually, "water boils at 100°C at 1 atm"
When pressure drops, the boiling point of water also drops. This means that water can boil at about 30°C depending on the pressure.
For example water boils at a much more lower temperature on top of mountains.

2. Evaporation is not boiling, evaporation takes place at any temperature, apart from temperature increased wind speed, increased surface area can increase evaporation rate. For example water evaporate very fast during hamattan season even though the temperature is low.

3. Evaporation alone is the thing that can made water to dry after the flood there were other forces. During the flood, earthquakes leading to the shifting of the earth crust and splitting them took place, this might have led to land depressions and elevation water does move to areas of low depression forming rivers, lakes, etc

4 water forced out under the earth due to the massive pressure must have found their way back.
5. Higher ground would dry very fast since water would flow from it, plains would have take a longer time to dry but due to heavy east wind, and the large surface are of the earth surface, water would dry very fast at an optimum speed.

The bible is correct.

Workch:
Anyone who can turn just 1 out of 100 bowls of water into wine?
I just require just 1% success rate from you, that’s how easy it is for anyone to even convince me with a testable evidence.

Although 1% isn’t a scientifically significant result but I just want to give theists the opportunity to convince atheists without plenty talks and numerous excuses.

Successfully turn 1 out of 100 bowls of water into wine, I will serve your god and I will also give you 100k cash.

If you can show me an atom face to face then I will believe atoms are real.

Atheists are living in denial. All evidence points one direction which is God the ultimate creator.

Bishopkingsley:
I said they passed on information from God to man I did not say they passed Islam from God to man


You can clearly see from scripture how the angel was fore saying all the things Islam character will be like and how they the decendant of ishmael will be behaving

This clearly shows God knew Islam a likely demonic religion will come in the future

Yes the angel might have revealed the future but it is wrong to say Islam and Judaism has same root or Islam is part of the old way of sending message. Islam is much more earlier than Christianity in fact it is a reaction to the spread of Christianity.

Bishopkingsley:
I did not say angel passed Islam to men

What I said is that God's angel foretold the behavior of Islam people and you can see the various things he said happen in the life's of Muslims people

Islam is like a wild animal and thier hand is on every one and every one hand is on them
God said he will multiply Ishmael decendant and you can see that happening in the life's of Muslims

The angel foretold the future character of Islam when he spoke about Ishmael decendant which you can clearly see in the Bible

Some thing can be great it does not make it the perfect way now

Both Judaism and Islam all have the same root which is part of the old way by which angels passed on information from God to man

@bolded you said Islam and Judaism has the same root and are part of the old way in which information was passed from God to man implying that Islam is of God.

Islam was never part of the way God spoke to man rather Islam is from the spirit of the antichrist which denies that Jesus is the son of God.

Bishopkingsley:
Some thing can be great it does not make it the perfect way now

Both Judaism and Islam all have the same root which is part of the old way by which angels passed on information from God to man


But now God has commanded all men to listen to his son Jesus

He who has the son has eternal life in him

Come to the holy one of God and know peace

You are wrong Judaism and Islam are not from the same root.
No angel of God passed Islam to man it was a deception from Satan.

you cannt compare the old testament to Islam.
The law delivered through the angels were leading men to Jesus

The old testament direct people to Jesus the messiah while Islam direct people away from Jesus.

Note the symbol of feminism with the upside down cross, which is the symbol of antichrist/rebellion against God. It shows the true aim of feminism.
A thousand words can be communicated using just a symbol, the occult are adept in using symbols it is called hiding in plain sight.

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Note, those who are of this dark world hate the truth.
Jesus himself was killed by those who claim they knew God because Jesus spoke the truth.

Same thing today people hate the truth because it exposes them.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


Jesus is the only hope for this lost world not ideologies of unsaved men and women who are lead by the spirit of disobedience.

Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

God's plan is faith in Jesus christ and him crucified in him we become dead to the world but alive to God.

Romans 8:1-2 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Is it a sin to smoke?

While there is no particular place in the bible that state it plainly we should not smoke but however, there are many scriptures that admonishes Christians against intoxicants eg alcohol
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.



Also, the bible also tells us to hold our body in honor not to defile it because the holy spirit dwells in us.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 7 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Smoking dishonors our body (vessel), Infact we should flee from anything that dishonors our body, things like fornication, drunkenness, smoking, dreaming tattoos or markings on our body, immoral dressing etc

God does not just care about our heart but also our bodies.
Romans 12:1
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.




Lastly, we serve God with all of our being. Our soul, spirit, body, money, time, all that we have are what we use to serve and appreciate him for what he did for us through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.
This is our reasonable service.

"Coven" (/kʌvən/) usually refers to a group or gathering of witches. The word "coven" (from Anglo-Norman covent, cuvent, from Old French covent, from Latin conventum = convention) remained largely unused in English until 1921 when Margaret Murray promoted the idea that all witches across Europe met in groups of thirteen which they called "covens". Source Wikipedia

The practice of witchcraft was prohibited in Israel.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

Jezezabel was a witch, who God ultimately judged for her atrocities.

2 Kings 9:22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?

A coven is a gathering of witches, witchcraft
Represent rebellion, stubbornness, iniquity and idolatry.

1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

The idea of feminists referring to themselves as coven might be in ignorance but there is an unseen force controlling them in that direction, not just feminists but the unsaved world in general.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The unsaved people are ignorantly being stirred in the direction of sin and rebellion against God.

As in many happening in these end time, the feminist moment is one of those that is being used to prepare humanity for a universal rebellion against God.

As Christians we are called out of the dark kingdom of this world and we should not have fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness but rather expose them.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

The truth is God is taking the creation through a process. When this process is completed, it is going to be final and unchangeable, this process started from heaven, every creature must make a choice either to accept God or to reject him.
He reveals what he revealed about himself will enable every creature Make that eternal choice.
What are the things God revealed about himself?
1. His power
2. His glory
3. His wisdom
4. His love
5. His faithfulness
6. His righteousness, holiness etc.
But God's revelation is progressive as he seemed fit to him, every revelational knowledge of God is sufficient to make this decision.

Lucifer the first angel to rebel simply reject what he knew about God for self or vain glory.
And then other angels also have to take a stand either to remain with God or to be their own boss which was satan wanted.

God allowed Adam and eve to be tested to make a choice also.

However, those angels that remained with God are called elect Angels and with the coming of christ every thing has being set.

Through christ God has proven his love, wisdom, righteousness, power etc The truth has finally being made clear.

Through christ all rebellion and pride has and will forever be humbled, and those who are on God side will forever be grateful and worship him, even satan and his angels has seen their foolishness, some day the damned will realise their foolishness at the great white throne of Jesus.
When God is done everything would be settled forever and God would be justified as truly who he is.

As a result of what christ has done there will be no tempter in the coming new heaven and earth.

Jesus christ is the solution that God has designed even before creation and was manifested at the end of time.

Also the church is playing a major role as a vessel of God to reveal himself.

Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

It was a mystery not even the Angels knew it.
Ephesians 3:9-11 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:


Christianity is what God will use to decimate the wisdom of this world that is controlled by satan.

The devil knows this hence the so many attack against the church but his failure has being guaranteed on the cross.

The wisdom of God is revealed on the cross, yes the cross that is the christianity message. It contradicts the wisdom of the world and waste it.
Hence Jesus and him crucified is the solution that God prepared before the foundation of the world.

Steep:
First, why do we need to confess our sins to God?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This simply means admitting our errors and not giving excuses or trying to justify ourself.
Some people say they never sin since they are already righteousness or God no longer see their sin. This is a dangerous and wrong teaching, Jesus taught his how to pray and in that prayer there was a prayer for forgiveness.

If we are on a relationship with God, a family relationship, God gets offended when we sin.

When we do confess our sins it means we are in the truth and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from every unrighteousness.
When a Christian refuse to confess/admit his or her sin it means he or she is calling God a liar and the truth is not in him or her, the blood of Jesus cannot cleanse such person.

The cleansing of the blood is continuous in a Christian's life as long as he or she abides in the truth of Jesus christ.

what if a Christian forget to confess his or her sins before death will he or she remain saved?

The answer is, as long as a man or a woman continue in the undefiled faith of Jesus christ then he or she will be washed with the blood.
Except, I think that person has denied christ by rejecting the Christian faith.
But whether that person is a true christian or not is a subject of debate within christianity but we are told and admonished as Christian is to continue in the faith of Jesus christ.

Note the word refuses not forgot

First, why do we need to confess our sins to God?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This simply means admitting our errors and not giving excuses or trying to justify ourself.
Some people say they never sin since they are already righteousness or God no longer see their sin. This is a dangerous and wrong teaching, Jesus taught his how to pray and in that prayer there was a prayer for forgiveness.

If we are on a relationship with God, a family relationship, God gets offended when we sin.

When we do confess our sins it means we are in the truth and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from every unrighteousness.
When a Christian refuse to confess/admit his or her sin it means he or she is calling God a liar and the truth is not in him or her, the blood of Jesus cannot cleanse such person.

The cleansing of the blood is continuous in a Christian's life as long as he or she abides in the truth of Jesus christ.

what if a Christian forget to confess his or her sins before death will he or she remain saved?

The answer is, as long as a man or a woman continue in the undefiled faith of Jesus christ then he or she will be washed with the blood.
Except, I think that person has denied christ by rejecting the Christian faith.
But whether that person is a true christian or not is a subject of debate within christianity but we are told and admonished as Christian is to continue in the faith of Jesus christ.

Workch:
Theory of evolution disproves Adam and Eve and geology disproves the Noah’s ark.

Don’t ask me how if you don’t know basic science

there is no evidence of evolution on a macro scale, for example there are no evidences of apes evolving to be humans Etc,
So evolution is just a theory and cannot disprove the bible.

IMAliyu:
While a belief in a creator is not illogical. So far in observation every cause also has a cause, the chain reaction goes on.

So wouldn't it also be safe to assume, if a creator is present it should also have a cause?

No it is illogical only a higher being can create a lesser being.
Man created robot but man is higher than robot, the ultimate creator or all things must therefore be greater than us, so this assumption that God must have a cause falls flat.

kingxsamz:
When you finally answer those questions I asked, let me know.

there were no questions.

Workch:
I don’t know but Bible contradicts science. From Adam and Eve to revelation all doesn’t make sense in science

in what way did the bible contradicted science?

Workch:
I know that most Bible stories have been proven wrong

When/ how?

Workch:
The Christian god doesn’t exist, we have loads of evidence that the Bible is a lie and Christians are trying hard to hold on to the lies.
If you want to talk about god then talk about yours specifically. The Christian god doesn’t exist

It is because you don't know what Christianity is nor the Christian God.

kingxsamz:
Gibberish!
Tell us your definition of this god. Tell us what this god consists of. Tell us its atrributes and also tell us its characteristics. Finally, tell us how you, who exists in our observable universe happened to know all that information when you already claimed that this god is outside our observable universe and isn't bound by our laws....

its only logical, if God is part of the universe then he won't be God.

DappaD:
The reason many people do not want to accept the existence of a Creator as a fact is either one of these three things.
1. They do not want anybody to be telling them what to do on morals and behaviour, that’s why they call the Bible an outdated book.

2. They think that if there was a God, then there wouldn’t be so much suffering we see around us(this is a genuine way of thinking, however the answers are still in the Bible) and some may conclude that if there was a God, then he just doesn’t care, which is another fallacy.

3. They claim the Bible is filled with unrealistic events especially the ones that deals with miracles(I’ll expatiate on this more later and show that scientific theories also fall in this category if we are to look at it from that angle).

For a fact, we do not even need to be looking frantically for evidence to prove the existence of a Creator because the evidence around us is too glaring to miss. The only constraint many people encounter is when they choose not to properly examine these evidences for themselves and they end up becoming atheists.

not just atheist but humans in general hate the truth

IMAliyu:
Newton's laws does not support such a thing.

[b]Science just studies and observes the world and it's workings, it doesn't make an argument for or against a creator. Whatever conclusions you draw on the subject are your own.[\b]

But if you could create a scientific methodology to proving and disproving the existence of deity, it will be much appreciated.

@ bolded I agree with you science does not disprove God but it is a very well established fact all the things we observe had a cause, so it is safer and more logical to believe in the existence of a creator than to illogical believe that things made themselves without any external cause.

Workch:
Religion is trying hard to become friends with science while science doesn’t care

I am not taking of religion but the belief in God, it does not
Contradict science.

XXXXTENTACION:
If they was a creator what makes you think that creator is God...

in this context God and creator means the same thing, in most religion it is the creator who is called God, some believe the creator is not person some believe it is but the basic idea remain the same, there is a creator and this creator is called God.

Take for example Newton that states that for there to be a change, then there must be a cause.
This simply means that all the changes we can see and observe has a cause, this is the backbone of science and all research works.

Since Newton law so far has being proven to be true as far as our visible and observable universe is concerned then the ultimate cause is not subject to this law and outside of it.

Is there any evidence to prove a creator does not exist because even science proved there is God.

Are you saved? That should be your first concern

As many that receive him he gave them power to become the sons of God.

Contrary to popular beliefs and culture, heaven is not meant for people who have tried their best to live a good life but for those who have repented and place their faith in Jesus.

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

LordReed:
And you know this how?

Because life has never being observed to be formed from non living things, so there must be an ultimate life that caused other life to spring forth.
God is what we call the ultimate life giver.

kingxsamz:
No one is arguing that your god is made up of meat, blood, water and various organs found in the human body.
The argument is if you insist that everything must have a creator, then your god must also have a creator. If you say your god has no creator, you have to give us evidence of how you were able to find that out.
You don't even know what you're arguing about sef.

Have you seen anything that exist without a cause?

kingxsamz:
What kind of question is that?
Do you even need a CCTV footage to know that if you get hit by a moving vehicle, you could die? Like seriously? Are we really discussing about this?
And they're not doctored videos. You can literally go on gore sites and you'll see numerous death videos to cure your curiosity.
You're questioning the authenticity of CCTV footages but you don't want anyone to question your belief in your god even though you have ZERO evidence or any form of research that points to its existence. Nawa.

I only flipped your logic, Do you need anyone to tell you things do not exist without a cause?

Ola17:
How did you know that he’s the ultimate creator and has no beginning?

That is what it means to be God.

Ola17:
How did you come to know this?

Because he is the ultimate creator if he had a beginning then he would not be God